I'm still on the whole legal in standard stance. MaRo said he wanted to go over the top after Rav and this is just one proof. Also he continues to say that the next block after Time Spiral will be as powerful and TS. What will we see in the next block, who knows but I am for this change that they are doing. Magic has gotten predictable in the last few years. It's Time for some change with Time Spiral
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If this is true, this is just wrong. WotC has said on MANY occasions this is why Buyback was poorly developed (not designed), the most ridiculous redundant game states ever.
Seriously, I'd almost buy Disenchant in Standard, really. But with all the fixing and accel going on, especially in UG/x control decks, this is just...no.
we like to break our own rules. And then there are the times when we like to break not only the rules that we all kinda knew we were going to break, but also the rules that we all kinda silently agreed that we'd never break...
And I can't find the quote but there were a couple that said...
We're gonna do things with TS that nobody would have guessed. We're going to change the face of the game forever. Your socks will be blown clear off.
I think they have made that purple expansion symbol to allow people that don't know the crds to distinct whether this card is standard-legal or only limited-legal. If they just wanted to reprint old cards with standard legality etc. they wouldn't make another different symbol,
According to the comp rules, this isn't a different symbol, it's the same symbol with new rarity.
If these cards were only legal in formats the previous printings were legal in, they'd have the previous symbol.
Also, what on earth is so broken about Disenchant?
Also, what on earth is so broken about Disenchant?
Not broken. It just wizards has nailed it in that Disenchant has been replace with naturalize. Honestly it made sense, because green is surrounded by the best enchantment destroyer(white) and the best artifact destoyer(red). Bringing it back seems strange.
People have got to get a hold of themselves
When psion blast was anounced, i was like that ok. Probably get 1 for the nostalgia factor. But comeone its only disenchant, its not going to break any format. Plus it seems all those purple cards are getting way too much hype because the are designed to target old player's nostalgia. While new players will awe at the randomness and coolness of the magic back in ye olde days. Come on its not like they just repreinted Masticore, goblin welder or something actually powerful. Best i've seen is call of the herd but i do appreciate that at least ill get a disenchant at worst instead of a random TS common
Not broken. It just wizards has nailed it in that Disenchant has been replace with naturalize. Honestly it made sense, because green is surrounded by the best enchantment destroyer(white) and the best artifact destoyer(red). Bringing it back seems strange.
Blue is surrounded by two best reanimation colors... Red is surrounded by two best regeneration colors... So what?
If these are true then there is no way that these purplies are legal. Whispers was an extremely broken card when it was in standard, and it and capsize were two of the biggest mistakes wizards made with buyback. There is no way they are gonna reintroduce it to standard.
And I am so so glad. There are alread and extra 180 cards in standard right now. I wouldn't be able to imagine it if they're were another 121 extra cards. There would be simply too many broken interactions going on with that many extra cards to draw on.
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I'm guessing these reprints are really meant to bring back some old players to magic. I know i'm going to start playing again after this set is out, even though i haven't been playing much the past couple of years.
It's unbelievable, even if these cards are only limited legal, how exciting it would be to open a pack and see a Void, or Psionic Blast or Shadowmage Infiltrator in it. It's like having 2 rares in one pack...however i don't think they're going to have one per pack, maybe one per box. It seems that one per pack is too easy to get...i don't know.
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If these are true then there is no way that these purplies are legal. Whispers was an extremely broken card when it was in standard, and it and capsize were two of the biggest mistakes wizards made with buyback. There is no way they are gonna reintroduce it to standard.
Whispers is SIX mana to draw a card and keep whispers. SIX mana. The only reason it saw play was because it was suplimented by OTHER good card drawing and incredibly broken counters like Counterspell, Forbid(with the buyback...), Dismiss.... Whispers is not a broken card. Capsize... would be iffy to reprint. But Whispers is fine. Heh... compare Forbid to Cancel.. lol
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That quote along leads me to believe these cards will be in type 2.
So since all the reprints are crazy good even if the entire set of time spiral is complete and utter garbage the packs will STILL be flying off the shelves as fast as they can be printed. crazy
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Whispers is SIX mana to draw a card and keep whispers. SIX mana. The only reason it saw play was because it was suplimented by OTHER good card drawing and incredibly broken counters like Counterspell, Forbid(with the buyback...), Dismiss.... Whispers is not a broken card.
Whispers is not a broken card. It's plenty good though, and will see play even without Forbid.
Nothing is wrong with Disenchant. They may have given naturalize to green, saying that the "2 mana to destroy an artifact or enchantment" was a green ability, but that is not to say it could not appear in white again. After all, white got terashi's grasp, which costs one more to get you life on top of the disenchant. Cut that mana off, you lose life, gain speed, and disenchant is just a simple step back again. White is average at killing artifacts now (3-4 mana effects) and the best at killing enchantments (1-2 mana). I am so happy to see it back, it still fits.
As for whispers, its another really welcome addition. Burn them early to get to lands or something in a blue control deck, then late game, you can get a bonus card at end of turn. mono blue will have to decide between this, urza's factory, and scrying sheets. Then again, they could just go ahead and play them all.
The the whispers naysayers, it was good because of its versitility. cast it cheap early to speed up your draw, and then late game, when you want to play control and keep counter mana up, it lets you fish a card at the end of any turn where you don't use your mana. It is better than oppertunity in a long game since it is an instant, and recurs. Draw go will be back in a big way.
Well... on the Whispers of the muse topic, I guess we'll need to wait and see how fast this coming T2 season is. Yes, it is great for its versatility but is there space in a deck for it? I am a fan of 90% all instant speed card draw but this isn't that great without the buyback. Not saying that it isn't good but one card for U isn't digging too deep into the deck without recurring. If this format has a lot of fast mono-colored mana then I could see Whispers making a difference. Otherwise, I'll stick with something slightly more costly. Such as Telling Time.
Well... on the Whispers of the muse topic, I guess we'll need to wait and see how fast this coming T2 season is. Yes, it is great for its versatility but is there space in a deck for it? I am a fan of 90% all instant speed card draw but this isn't that great without the buyback. Not saying that it isn't good but one card for U isn't digging too deep into the deck without recurring. If this format has a lot of fast mono-colored mana then I could see Whispers making a difference. Otherwise, I'll stick with something slightly more costly. Such as Telling Time.
It already has a home in something like Firemane control or U/W Tapo.
Honestly, i don't think there could be a faster deck than some of the aggro decks recently in standard. I haven't seen 4th turn aggro kills (like zoo or heezy could bring) since slight during tempest block. Those control decks can handle aggro hard though. Cheap counters, burn, lifegain, and wrath adds up to wins against them.
Nice thing about whispers is it can be burned for a card early while leaving counter mana up, (unlike compulsive) and can then be used late game to ramp up to the point where the deck just wins.
Assault // Battery is a wierd reprint. How unusual is it that it stands alone as a split card? I think it probably is the only one that they'll print. The purple cards are not shaping up to be the kind of thing that they'd do cycles with.
If the purple cards had cycles in them, Wizards wouldn't be able to hit every possible offense against the modern iteration of the color pie. And that would be just... tragic.
If people would have trusted me: In the first 422 card discussion thread I already mentioned that whispers will be reprinted in TS
And not only once...
Go back and lok. But nobody even quoted me on that, so ha, why should I pass any more info to the mill anytime soon.
But ok, people seem not to believe sb not called r_e or hydro
good cards though, to stay on topic
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We've also seen Call of the Herd. Obviously R&D's goal is to make Elephants Tier 1.
You're joking, right? That would be a funny sight. Although, now that I think of it, Loxodon hierarch does fit pretty well in a deck with those two cards. The only problem is that it's across three colors, and elephants don't have a deck-makeable curve of costs. Yeah, you were probably joking.
You're joking, right? That would be a funny sight. Although, now that I think of it, Loxodon hierarch does fit pretty well in a deck with those two cards. The only problem is that it's across three colors, and elephants don't have a deck-makeable curve of costs. Yeah, you were probably joking.
If these are true then there is no way that these purplies are legal. Whispers was an extremely broken card when it was in standard, and it and capsize were two of the biggest mistakes wizards made with buyback. There is no way they are gonna reintroduce it to standard.
And I am so so glad. There are alread and extra 180 cards in standard right now. I wouldn't be able to imagine it if they're were another 121 extra cards. There would be simply too many broken interactions going on with that many extra cards to draw on.
Except of course that we now know these cards ARE standard legal.
Anyway, I can't find the post but I remember not too long ago some one on here telling me that Whispers of the Muse wouldn't even be played if it were legal... I think it was Titanium Dragon. He also says mono-U won't be Tier 1 this coming season. Will be interesting to see if both things turn out to be true...
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If this is true, this is just wrong. WotC has said on MANY occasions this is why Buyback was poorly developed (not designed), the most ridiculous redundant game states ever.
Seriously, I'd almost buy Disenchant in Standard, really. But with all the fixing and accel going on, especially in UG/x control decks, this is just...no.
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And I can't find the quote but there were a couple that said...
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According to the comp rules, this isn't a different symbol, it's the same symbol with new rarity.
If these cards were only legal in formats the previous printings were legal in, they'd have the previous symbol.
Also, what on earth is so broken about Disenchant?
And Wizards must realize that giving non-T2 playable cards in boosters would be a big mistake.
When psion blast was anounced, i was like that ok. Probably get 1 for the nostalgia factor. But comeone its only disenchant, its not going to break any format. Plus it seems all those purple cards are getting way too much hype because the are designed to target old player's nostalgia. While new players will awe at the randomness and coolness of the magic back in ye olde days. Come on its not like they just repreinted Masticore, goblin welder or something actually powerful. Best i've seen is call of the herd but i do appreciate that at least ill get a disenchant at worst instead of a random TS common
Blue is surrounded by two best reanimation colors... Red is surrounded by two best regeneration colors... So what?
And I am so so glad. There are alread and extra 180 cards in standard right now. I wouldn't be able to imagine it if they're were another 121 extra cards. There would be simply too many broken interactions going on with that many extra cards to draw on.
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It's unbelievable, even if these cards are only limited legal, how exciting it would be to open a pack and see a Void, or Psionic Blast or Shadowmage Infiltrator in it. It's like having 2 rares in one pack...however i don't think they're going to have one per pack, maybe one per box. It seems that one per pack is too easy to get...i don't know.
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Whispers is SIX mana to draw a card and keep whispers. SIX mana. The only reason it saw play was because it was suplimented by OTHER good card drawing and incredibly broken counters like Counterspell, Forbid(with the buyback...), Dismiss.... Whispers is not a broken card. Capsize... would be iffy to reprint. But Whispers is fine. Heh... compare Forbid to Cancel.. lol
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That quote along leads me to believe these cards will be in type 2.
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Whispers w/ buyback is a really bad Opportunity.
What is so Wrong with Whispers?
Whispers is not a broken card. It's plenty good though, and will see play even without Forbid.
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As for whispers, its another really welcome addition. Burn them early to get to lands or something in a blue control deck, then late game, you can get a bonus card at end of turn. mono blue will have to decide between this, urza's factory, and scrying sheets. Then again, they could just go ahead and play them all.
The the whispers naysayers, it was good because of its versitility. cast it cheap early to speed up your draw, and then late game, when you want to play control and keep counter mana up, it lets you fish a card at the end of any turn where you don't use your mana. It is better than oppertunity in a long game since it is an instant, and recurs. Draw go will be back in a big way.
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It already has a home in something like Firemane control or U/W Tapo.
Honestly, i don't think there could be a faster deck than some of the aggro decks recently in standard. I haven't seen 4th turn aggro kills (like zoo or heezy could bring) since slight during tempest block. Those control decks can handle aggro hard though. Cheap counters, burn, lifegain, and wrath adds up to wins against them.
Nice thing about whispers is it can be burned for a card early while leaving counter mana up, (unlike compulsive) and can then be used late game to ramp up to the point where the deck just wins.
If the purple cards had cycles in them, Wizards wouldn't be able to hit every possible offense against the modern iteration of the color pie. And that would be just... tragic.
We've also seen Call of the Herd. Obviously R&D's goal is to make Elephants Tier 1.
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You're joking, right? That would be a funny sight. Although, now that I think of it, Loxodon hierarch does fit pretty well in a deck with those two cards. The only problem is that it's across three colors, and elephants don't have a deck-makeable curve of costs. Yeah, you were probably joking.
Just wait, purple Elephant Graveyard for the win!
Except of course that we now know these cards ARE standard legal.
Anyway, I can't find the post but I remember not too long ago some one on here telling me that Whispers of the Muse wouldn't even be played if it were legal... I think it was Titanium Dragon. He also says mono-U won't be Tier 1 this coming season. Will be interesting to see if both things turn out to be true...