I'm fairly certain it is a 4/1. Consider: Deadly Insect is a 6/1, costs 1 more mana, but has neither haste nor trample. Untargetability is hugely important, especially in a format with cards like Darkblast. People WOULD use Darkblaston Ball Lightningto stop themselves from taking 6 damage. Its like countering a spell, basically, and I'm gaining 2 mana advantage off the trade. Yes, Kodama of the North Tree is a 6/4 trampler and untargetable for 2GGG, but he has not only more colored mana in his casting cost but more specific colored mana in his mana cost; added to that, he doesn't have haste and he is legendary. Haste would be at least +1 cc, and being nonlegendary might be another +1 cc. That means Kodama of the North Treewould cost 8ish mana as a nonlegendary hasted creature.
Beyond that, the picture is quite clearly to me a 4/1. The problem is it looks like a 4/3 due to foilyness and such; if you look at the actual original scan of the half of the card, it looks like a 4/1. The reason it looks like a 3 is that 1 has two pointy things on the top and bottom; 3's on magic cards do not look like the purported "3" on that card, they are much more full-bodied. Essentially, if it was a 3, it'd look a lot wider, as wide as the 4; it is not, however, as wide as the 4 is.
And complaining it is bad at 4/1 is silly; it is still a very powerful card. Beyond the fun of tapping down a blocker and beating with this guy, it does mean they really "have" to block him and kill him; if you have a Burning-Tree Shaman and drop one of these in play, that opponent will chump your solifuge with the STE and eat 6 damage (well, 7 really because of the shaman pinging the other player for playing the ability). Though they are gaining CA, you just chewed off a third of their life total. That is painful, to say the least, and if they tap out you'll get a good 4 damage in before they can really respond to it.
EDIT: Actually, there is a FAR easier way of figuring it out, which I just did and I am mystified as to why no one else did it. On a magic card, 1 is much thinner than 3; 3 is approximately the same width as 4, while 1 is going to be much thinner. Given that the card is slanted so that the toughness is closest to us, it would be wider (if anything) than usual. However, if you actually go into paint, then count the number of pixels the numbers are wide at their middles, you will rather rapidly realize that it cannot possibly be a three; the 4 is 10-12 pixels wide, while the 1/3 is a mere 5-6 at best. There is also the minor issue that if you look at the purported "3" it looks uneven; indeed, if you count the pixels, you will find it is 7 pixels from the top of the number to the purported middle, while from the purported middle to the bottom of the card is a rather piddly 4 pixels. The threes on magic cards are fairly even, and certainly do not have a 7:4 top:bottom ratio; they are nearly even in length from top to middle as from middle to bottom.
Herder, you are right in that the scales have tilted, but nothing is 100%.
Just as last time, I am asking to please stop the debating over the power and toughness.
We have been up and down and up again about it, and we won't reach any conclusions with what we have so far.
We need another scan of the card.
If this magazine reference exists, then there is a scan available.
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Straight up comparisons to other similar cards from the past are irrelevant as they do not take into consideration the current metagame.
The current metagame = Sakura-tribe Elder
Due to this seemingly innocuous cards who's dominance has insinuated itself into the standard format perhaps even more strongly than Arcbound Ravager did to its standard (yes, you may quote me on that), the simple fact is that any non-evasion beatdown creature that has a toughness of 1 is utterly and completely obsolete.
Sakura-Tribe Elder is the card that single-handedly obsoleted Savannah Lions. It's the card that turned the seemingly strong synergy of Akki Avalanchers/Akki Raider into a steaming pile of crap. This card has no chance whatsoever. Heck, you can't even slap a Jitte on it.
At 4/3, it would have been amazing, instantly obsoleting Kodama of the North Tree and perhaps even finding its way into extended.
Now?
...Meh
I want to know exactly how many people are leaving their STEs out in play for a turn or two? Sure, if you go first and play elf/bop, then you have to worry about STE, so you probably drop something besides this turn 3. Though, if you wreak havoc his land turn 2, you can safely swing with solifuge turn 3. Then even if he lays an STE next turn, you've gotten 7 damage for 4 mana from solifuge.
Even at 4/1 (if that's what it is), this is a great card. I don't think it is particularly broken at 4/3, but the idea that it is "obsolete" because your opponent is somehow guaranteed to have STE in play every time you cast it is insane.
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I want to know exactly how many people are leaving their STEs out in play for a turn or two? Sure, if you go first and play elf/bop, then you have to worry about STE, so you probably drop something besides this turn 3. Though, if you wreak havoc his land turn 2, you can safely swing with solifuge turn 3. Then even if he lays an STE next turn, you've gotten 7 damage for 4 mana from solifuge.
Even at 4/1 (if that's what it is), this is a great card. I don't think it is particularly broken at 4/3, but the idea that it is "obsolete" because your opponent is somehow guaranteed to have STE in play every time you cast it is insane.
The idea isn't that your opponent is guaranteed to have a STE every time, but rather that the possibility of that situation greatly lowers the spectrum of instances in which this card is useful.
Magic is a game of probabilities,there are no absolutes. Sometimes, if the situation is just right, even a Lightning Elemental could win you the game. It's just not bloodly likely to happen.
On a similar note, being 4/1 makes the set of situations where this card does something significant much, much less robust, and also opens it upt o several where it is completely and utterly useless, the most ubiquitous among them being a Sakura-Tribe Elder staring at you from accross the board. Don't even get me started about Llanowar Elves, Wood Elves, and Suntail Hawks.
As for the assertion that Sakura-Tribe Elders won't stay in play after turn-two, it's very common to save your Sakura-Tribe Elders for blocking unless you have something ot accelerate into next turn. Rarely is a turn-two elder immediately cracked without blocking when facing Affinity or Boros. Heck, if this card is widely played even in its 4/1 form, as unlikely as that is, its presence would be enough to make players keep their Sakuras around for a turn or two.
The spolier shows the solifuge being a 10/10. That seems way too overpowered to me. Can anyone confirm this p/t change?
Actually, after an exhaustive analysis of all the blurry pictures, I concluded that it was actually a 16/16, making it the biggest creature ever printed. I think the spoiler should be updated to reflect my personal opinion on the matter.
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I had to change it because....noone got it.
Ok ok, for those that said they didn´t know about the magazine.
First ,the magazine is distributed only in Mexico, thus is not a famous magazine outside here and there is no reason at all for you to know about it.
I attached a picture of the magazine´s cover so you see its real, im looking at the magazine right now and i see A BIG 4/1 ON GIANT SOLIFUGE!!!!
Since i dont have a scanner im going out to a friend´s house and get a scan so we can all rest about it.
Being 4/3 would be just absurd and this is coming from someone who loves red/green.
Still we have the ridiculous strong Burned tree shaman
Definitely looks like a 4/1 to me. If it were a 4/3, the 3 would almost be intersecting with the slash. It's probably just distortion.
Well, that's a relief; to think that such a card nearly broke Standard is terrifying. Now he can bathe in unpopularity. I still like him though; as a Johnny, I appreciate cards that no one else does, BECAUSE no one else does.
This Solifugo Gigante isn't much for a Green creature, though the Haste is sum'thin cool, but as a Red creature?
Breaking the pie, man. BREAKING THE PIE!!
They didn't just break the pie. They put their finger in it, sucked it from heat, finger-ate it some more, stole the whole thing without leaving Aunt Bee a note AT ALL, ate it without using a knife over the next 3 hours, and then came back and SMASHED Bee's window sill with a hammer!!! JERKS!!!
Broke the pie, man. Broke the pie.
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Wow, I'm really surprised I guess I was wrong.
I could have sworn it was a 4/3 though, maybe the other image was misprinted or something, whatever no more controversy now.
EDIT: @Alestra: by "above scan" i think he means the one with p/t that R_E posted.
Ah. In that case, it's Spanish in-title-capitalization at play, I believe.
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It's still a powerfull card at 4/1, in both a grull or selenseya, grull when matched up with land D, and selenseya with straight up beat down, but with selensya, (I'm not sure if I've been spelling that wrong) I would take Hierarch over it. Same power, same CC, but the Hierarch gives you 4 life, and lives through creatures with 1-3 power.
I doubt it would, remember that since it's hybrid not only the Gruul would have played it, also the Boros, selesnyans, Izzet and later on the Rakdos and Simic could play this guy...
That's exactly why it would have destroyed T2. Every deck would have played it.
It wouldn't have destroyed T2. It's just a creature that beats down for four. But it would have pretty well destroyed the color pie. It is still going to be weird casting a haste guy for 2GG, or an untargetable guy for 2RR. IMO it should have cost 2RG, and then it could have been a 4/3.
Beyond that, the picture is quite clearly to me a 4/1. The problem is it looks like a 4/3 due to foilyness and such; if you look at the actual original scan of the half of the card, it looks like a 4/1. The reason it looks like a 3 is that 1 has two pointy things on the top and bottom; 3's on magic cards do not look like the purported "3" on that card, they are much more full-bodied. Essentially, if it was a 3, it'd look a lot wider, as wide as the 4; it is not, however, as wide as the 4 is.
And complaining it is bad at 4/1 is silly; it is still a very powerful card. Beyond the fun of tapping down a blocker and beating with this guy, it does mean they really "have" to block him and kill him; if you have a Burning-Tree Shaman and drop one of these in play, that opponent will chump your solifuge with the STE and eat 6 damage (well, 7 really because of the shaman pinging the other player for playing the ability). Though they are gaining CA, you just chewed off a third of their life total. That is painful, to say the least, and if they tap out you'll get a good 4 damage in before they can really respond to it.
EDIT: Actually, there is a FAR easier way of figuring it out, which I just did and I am mystified as to why no one else did it. On a magic card, 1 is much thinner than 3; 3 is approximately the same width as 4, while 1 is going to be much thinner. Given that the card is slanted so that the toughness is closest to us, it would be wider (if anything) than usual. However, if you actually go into paint, then count the number of pixels the numbers are wide at their middles, you will rather rapidly realize that it cannot possibly be a three; the 4 is 10-12 pixels wide, while the 1/3 is a mere 5-6 at best. There is also the minor issue that if you look at the purported "3" it looks uneven; indeed, if you count the pixels, you will find it is 7 pixels from the top of the number to the purported middle, while from the purported middle to the bottom of the card is a rather piddly 4 pixels. The threes on magic cards are fairly even, and certainly do not have a 7:4 top:bottom ratio; they are nearly even in length from top to middle as from middle to bottom.
Just as last time, I am asking to please stop the debating over the power and toughness.
We have been up and down and up again about it, and we won't reach any conclusions with what we have so far.
We need another scan of the card.
If this magazine reference exists, then there is a scan available.
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I want to know exactly how many people are leaving their STEs out in play for a turn or two? Sure, if you go first and play elf/bop, then you have to worry about STE, so you probably drop something besides this turn 3. Though, if you wreak havoc his land turn 2, you can safely swing with solifuge turn 3. Then even if he lays an STE next turn, you've gotten 7 damage for 4 mana from solifuge.
Even at 4/1 (if that's what it is), this is a great card. I don't think it is particularly broken at 4/3, but the idea that it is "obsolete" because your opponent is somehow guaranteed to have STE in play every time you cast it is insane.
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The idea isn't that your opponent is guaranteed to have a STE every time, but rather that the possibility of that situation greatly lowers the spectrum of instances in which this card is useful.
Magic is a game of probabilities,there are no absolutes. Sometimes, if the situation is just right, even a Lightning Elemental could win you the game. It's just not bloodly likely to happen.
On a similar note, being 4/1 makes the set of situations where this card does something significant much, much less robust, and also opens it upt o several where it is completely and utterly useless, the most ubiquitous among them being a Sakura-Tribe Elder staring at you from accross the board. Don't even get me started about Llanowar Elves, Wood Elves, and Suntail Hawks.
As for the assertion that Sakura-Tribe Elders won't stay in play after turn-two, it's very common to save your Sakura-Tribe Elders for blocking unless you have something ot accelerate into next turn. Rarely is a turn-two elder immediately cracked without blocking when facing Affinity or Boros. Heck, if this card is widely played even in its 4/1 form, as unlikely as that is, its presence would be enough to make players keep their Sakuras around for a turn or two.
Actually, after an exhaustive analysis of all the blurry pictures, I concluded that it was actually a 16/16, making it the biggest creature ever printed. I think the spoiler should be updated to reflect my personal opinion on the matter.
(Oh, and whichever mod did that: I love you.)
I love you for being the only person that got what I was trying to do.
I had to change it because....noone got it.
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We have had the scans for a LONG time, and no progress on the 4/1 or 4/3 thing.
We need some confirmation, which we lack at the moment.
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First ,the magazine is distributed only in Mexico, thus is not a famous magazine outside here and there is no reason at all for you to know about it.
I attached a picture of the magazine´s cover so you see its real, im looking at the magazine right now and i see A BIG 4/1 ON GIANT SOLIFUGE!!!!
Since i dont have a scanner im going out to a friend´s house and get a scan so we can all rest about it.
Being 4/3 would be just absurd and this is coming from someone who loves red/green.
Still we have the ridiculous strong Burned tree shaman
The scan should be posted by tomorrow.
:/ I wish you had posted 20 minutes earlier.
Looking forward to a non blurry scan of the card.
Looking forward to the ending of this stupid p/t saga.
Also, it is important to note that a cover to the magazine, not the latest cover, was posted.
It was posted to prove the magazine is legit.
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Well, that's a relief; to think that such a card nearly broke Standard is terrifying. Now he can bathe in unpopularity. I still like him though; as a Johnny, I appreciate cards that no one else does, BECAUSE no one else does.
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This Solifugo Gigante isn't much for a Green creature, though the Haste is sum'thin cool, but as a Red creature?
Breaking the pie, man. BREAKING THE PIE!!
They didn't just break the pie. They put their finger in it, sucked it from heat, finger-ate it some more, stole the whole thing without leaving Aunt Bee a note AT ALL, ate it without using a knife over the next 3 hours, and then came back and SMASHED Bee's window sill with a hammer!!! JERKS!!!
Broke the pie, man. Broke the pie.
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Boo If I spoke spanish I would ask them to credit us for the spoiler they are copying and pasting.
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I could have sworn it was a 4/3 though, maybe the other image was misprinted or something, whatever no more controversy now.
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why is the g not capitalized on the above scan?
The image you posted is italian and the other is spanish, and i guess for some reason spanish card names are not entirely capitalized.
EDIT: @Alestra: by "above scan" i think he means the one with p/t that R_E posted.
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I would also like to get in a quick "I told you so" to all the people who were making fun of us loyal one toughnessers. We win, you lose, etc.
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That's exactly why it would have destroyed T2. Every deck would have played it.
Edit: Nope, Solifuge according to the Orb. Feel free to disregard this post.
actually, it looks like Mandor to me.. any one want to refute this?