That's actually a pretty neat little card. Nice job, tourney guy.
I imagine they changed the ability to something like "At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library. You lose life equal to its converted mana cost, then put it into your hand."
I bet R&D changed the mana cost to 4BBB, made him a 0/2 and some sort of "you lose the game" drawback.
But if not, this guy could be very cool in some sort of Suicide-black. The only problem is, if you play big spells, you will die. Simple as that.
It's one of those cards that would have been good in an old deck but sucks now kinda cards.
I give it a 4/10.
We've know about this for a while it was announced ages ago. That said i'll repeat what i said back then that this is a very nice black weenie card, which gives good card advantage and is also alot easier for black to get rid of than enchantment based drawers like phyrexian arena, necropotence etc.
Phex. Arena: Must Draw a card at upkeep, Lose 1 life.
Necropotence: May Draw a card at end of turn, Lose 1 life.
Yawg. Bargin: May Draw a card, Lose 1 life.
Invitational Card: Must Draw a card at draw phase, Lose 0-13 life.
They need to make it a LOT better for it to be playable.
Phex. Arena: Must Draw a card at upkeep, Lose 1 life.
Necropotence: May Draw a card at end of turn, Lose 1 life.
Yawg. Bargin: May Draw a card, Lose 1 life.
Invitational Card: Must Draw a card at draw phase, Lose 0-13 life.
They need to make it a LOT better for it to be playable.
Yeah, as proposed that card is horrible. I'm hoping the tweaks made the card going into your hand optional. Such as you can shoose to put it in hand for life equal to CC, or put it in graveyard. However, paying life could still suck a lot.
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Those comparisons are kind of silly. Bargain and Necro are both banned, and IMO this card is better than Arena. Draw a 2500th land? At least you take no damage. It costs only 2 (in current form) and has a body, which is excellent.
Considering that it's a creature, I'd imagine that this would go into an aggressive deck, where 2 life/turn = extra card/turn... on legs is SO worth it.
My guess at Wizard's version: 1BB, 2/2, and ability optional.
I like alex version with the put into play version a lot. It would be a aswome and very cool card. But Goblinboys suggestion would be more likley..
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The initial submission is not good at all. The imperative is just wrong. I would like to see the optional X/X putting into play... and I agree with Goblinboy about the cc and P/T.
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...a 2/1 with the ability 'During each upkeep you reveal the top card of your library and must pay life equal to the card's converted casting cost and put it in your hand...
Each upkeep... just yours or both players' upkeeps?
Anyhow, i agree with Machius. This is a nice black weenie card... and can be easily removed if you had lost too much life.
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For a black card, in recent times, I consider this very good. However at the same time, I wonder what they've done to butcher it. I have no faith in R&D anymore.
The "tweaks" are most like flavor-related. They have adjusted previous cards so that they fit in the block. Remember, they added echo to Darwin Kastle's card, Avalanche Riders, they added Morph to Kai Budde's card (Voidmage Prodigy) and made Jens Thoren's card (Solemn Simulacrum) into an artifact creature. Chances are, they'll add a mechanic that's exclusive to Ravnica to it, or something.
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If the ability is mandatory then you could always use things like Sensei's Diving top to stack the top cards. I think that if the ability is optional then the card is too good. I agree that most likely the changes will be made to fit a block mechanic or theme.
At the beginning of your upkeep remove the top card of your library from the game. Until end of turn you may pay life equal to that card's converted mana cost to put it into your hand.
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That version would be awesome. You could remove the cards you don't want and draw land for free.
I'm happy with it as originally suggested, grammatically adjusted for MTG of course. Play with deck stackers, low-casting cost spells, and life-gain mechanics. I'm all for a Black Weenie aggro deck.
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0: the next time you would reveal a card at the beginning of your upkeep, instead, reveal that card and lose life equal to its casting cost.
1/2
wow thats bad.
I don't think you guys understand the power of this card. This is a cheaper creature phyrexian arena. You say you lose more life? not really..
20-24 draws cost 0 life (land)
8-12 draws cost 1 life (discard, ritual, etc)
Thats already more than half the deck. In a black sui deck, the life loss will be negligible and even if it works for only one turn, its better than Phyrexian rager, which is already a solid creature. I don't think theres another card outside of howling mine that gives you a free extra card every turn for 2 or less mana (not counting library). BB for a 2/1 is solid, and this creature will win more games by not fighting than by fighting because the card advantage is too insane. Its like a reverse hypnotic specter.
I predict: up to 1BB, 2/2 or 2/1 and another ability. Its too fast otherwise.
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It's ok , it isn't worst invitational, but it's no meddling mage
Let's just wait till wizards gets done with it first. It could become the next kai card or it could become something much better.
It's not too bad right now, as it would see alot of play in Legacy and maybe Vintage but that's about it. Maybe:
BB
2/1
*first strike* :smile2:
At the beginning of your draw step you may look at the top card of you library. You may reveal that card and play life equal to it's converted mana cost, then put that card into you draw.
"At the beginning of your upkeep reveal the top card of your library. Any opponent may pay life equal to its converted mana cost. If an opponent does this put the revealed card into your graveyard."
Opponents could deny you land for no life but anything else and they are hastening their own clock. A black weenie deck would do extremely well with this card.
Let's just wait till wizards gets done with it first. It could become the next kai card or it could become something much better.
It's not too bad right now, as it would see alot of play in Legacy and maybe Vintage but that's about it. Maybe:
BB
2/1
*first strike* :smile2:
At the beginning of your draw step you may look at the top card of you library. You may reveal that card and play life equal to it's converted mana cost, then put that card into you draw.
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Maybe instead of First Strike you could just put in, "during your end step you win the game"...?
Your about as likely to see both. The only reason Black Knight has it is because of flavor.
"At the beginning of your upkeep reveal the top card of your library. Any opponent may pay life equal to its converted mana cost. If an opponent does this put the revealed card into your graveyard."
Opponents could deny you land for no life but anything else and they are hastening their own clock. A black weenie deck would do extremely well with this card.
Um not really, I just would own you giveing you all land and junk. That's like playing Dullusions and tring to pay the cumlative upkeep. Or you could just start shuffling and shake the winners hand...?
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I imagine they changed the ability to something like "At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library. You lose life equal to its converted mana cost, then put it into your hand."
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But if not, this guy could be very cool in some sort of Suicide-black. The only problem is, if you play big spells, you will die. Simple as that.
It's one of those cards that would have been good in an old deck but sucks now kinda cards.
I give it a 4/10.
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Phex. Arena: Must Draw a card at upkeep, Lose 1 life.
Necropotence: May Draw a card at end of turn, Lose 1 life.
Yawg. Bargin: May Draw a card, Lose 1 life.
Invitational Card: Must Draw a card at draw phase, Lose 0-13 life.
They need to make it a LOT better for it to be playable.
Yeah, as proposed that card is horrible. I'm hoping the tweaks made the card going into your hand optional. Such as you can shoose to put it in hand for life equal to CC, or put it in graveyard. However, paying life could still suck a lot.
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Considering that it's a creature, I'd imagine that this would go into an aggressive deck, where 2 life/turn = extra card/turn... on legs is SO worth it.
My guess at Wizard's version: 1BB, 2/2, and ability optional.
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Each upkeep... just yours or both players' upkeeps?
Anyhow, i agree with Machius. This is a nice black weenie card... and can be easily removed if you had lost too much life.
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0: Reveal the top card of your library. Lose life equal to its converted mana cost, then put that card into your hand.
That version would be awesome. You could remove the cards you don't want and draw land for free.
0: the next time you would reveal a card at the beginning of your upkeep, instead, reveal that card and lose life equal to its casting cost.
1/2
thats pretty powerful
wow thats bad.
I don't think you guys understand the power of this card. This is a cheaper creature phyrexian arena. You say you lose more life? not really..
20-24 draws cost 0 life (land)
8-12 draws cost 1 life (discard, ritual, etc)
Thats already more than half the deck. In a black sui deck, the life loss will be negligible and even if it works for only one turn, its better than Phyrexian rager, which is already a solid creature. I don't think theres another card outside of howling mine that gives you a free extra card every turn for 2 or less mana (not counting library). BB for a 2/1 is solid, and this creature will win more games by not fighting than by fighting because the card advantage is too insane. Its like a reverse hypnotic specter.
I predict: up to 1BB, 2/2 or 2/1 and another ability. Its too fast otherwise.
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Let's just wait till wizards gets done with it first. It could become the next kai card or it could become something much better.
It's not too bad right now, as it would see alot of play in Legacy and maybe Vintage but that's about it. Maybe:
BB
2/1
*first strike* :smile2:
At the beginning of your draw step you may look at the top card of you library. You may reveal that card and play life equal to it's converted mana cost, then put that card into you draw.
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"At the beginning of your upkeep reveal the top card of your library. Any opponent may pay life equal to its converted mana cost. If an opponent does this put the revealed card into your graveyard."
Opponents could deny you land for no life but anything else and they are hastening their own clock. A black weenie deck would do extremely well with this card.
Maybe instead of First Strike you could just put in, "during your end step you win the game"...?
Your about as likely to see both. The only reason Black Knight has it is because of flavor.
Um not really, I just would own you giveing you all land and junk. That's like playing Dullusions and tring to pay the cumlative upkeep. Or you could just start shuffling and shake the winners hand...?