Hmm, using the orchard combo with this could also give you double the use out of counter spells. How annoying would that be to play against?
How exactly do you plan to kill the tokens to reuse the counterspells? This card is okay for really cheap elim, but for anything expensive the ability is down right useless.
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Hey, the splice deck may very well be twice as fast as a millstone deck, but when black's got very efficient discard, as well as cranial extraction, you're screwed.
Sadly enough i LOVE his ability, it allows for some nice idea's, even some new ones, which for a block with ravager is unusual. BUT the most disappointing thing about him is this, His ART. I find i too campy and simply not good enough. It has the feel of more of a mass removal spell then a Creature.
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That is pretty awesome. You terror, and you get to terror again.Not as broken as Yawgy's Will - since you are less likely to combo out. But quite playable at 3 mana. Cool card.
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thank you. this is a card that i am definitly getting my 4 of. he is so good and so badass. the yawgmoth's will ability makes it so sweet. i see him being a high dollar rare.
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I don't know if ravager would be in very good shape if you e-bolt 2 of thier guys with 1 e-bolt, then flash back an echoing decay.
On turn 4. Even if you've gone first, and moxed it out 2nd turn, it's still third turn. Which, while solid, is pretty crappy against most other decks. Big Red would eat you alive, while Pyrite spellbombs in affinity make you afraid to play Toshi...
:D:D:D:D:D AWESOME! what a cool card. im so glad he only costs 3 and not 4. boo to anyone complaining about him. he's a contstructed playable legend for black. definately gonna be a cool card to build a deck around.
come on, stop thinking inside the box everyone. Trying to force this guy into MBC or some such is like trying to force Kiki-Jiki ingto Big Red. This guys deserves his own style deck.
come on, stop thinking inside the box everyone. Trying to force this guy into MBC or some such is like trying to force Kiki-Jiki ingto Big Red. This guys deserves his own style deck.
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How about a WRB samurai deck that run lots of glacial rays and other arcane instants.(Using that cat faced samurai to color fix, heh)
No one has said anything about "Instant Reanimation"! Searing Wind (along with the other winds) would be ABSOLUTLY FREAKING BRUTAL!
Just think of the combo'y-ness *drool*
No one has said anything about "Instant Reanimation"! Searing Wind (along with the other winds) would be ABSOLUTLY FREAKING BRUTAL!
Just think of the combo'y-ness *drool*
And how do you plan on paying the mana cost for the Winds.
The only reason I like this card is that he is a Black Samurai. This is not invisitext
Hmmm, Orchard is definitely the way to go. We have to see if there are that many instants worth flashing back, but I assume there are.
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come on, stop thinking inside the box everyone. Trying to force this guy into MBC or some such is like trying to force Kiki-Jiki ingto Big Red. This guys deserves his own style deck.
Or MBC could be edited to work with this guy. In T2, MBC runs lots of removal, and with a few more instants, this guy is an several times eternal witness. And he has three toughness on defense or when blocked. MBC w/Deathcloud may not run him, but MBC will see him...
No one has said anything about "Instant Reanimation"! Searing Wind (along with the other winds) would be ABSOLUTLY FREAKING BRUTAL!
Just think of the combo'y-ness *drool*
You could use him with the new Reanimation spell that removes the creature from the game at end of turn. Still thats not really going to get you much.
I think that his potential lies in an Splice deck like someone said in an earlier post. Playing instants out of the graveyard then splicing something good like Glacial Ray or Dampen Thoughts. Maybe their will be some better splice spells in BoK.
It would be funny to play a Time stop or Gifts Ungiven with him. But overall I'm still not all that impressed.
@Twintwist Toshiro is no way near as good as Eternal Witness. Eternal Witness brought back anything he only brings back an instant, and only after your opponents creature goes to the library.
he has potential in some very specialized decks but he wont be mainstream as how many tournament worthy decks suyppors a 1BB cating cost and instants/creature kill that make the guy relevant
Gifts ungiven brokenness depends on black and blue's efficient cheap instants, and seems dirrectly inferior to B/R splicing with glacial ray.
Step 1: Draw Toshi, play him.
Step 2: Draw Glacial ray.
Step 3: Draw a lava spike or something, spike your opponent spliced with the ray; if you have 3 left, do it again.
Black shoals almost garentee you'll be able to use his ability pretty quickly and effectively, even game-endingly. 5 mana, you have toshi, a shoal, and a glacial ray with a lava spike in the graveyard, that's 7 damage to their head and a fattie killed. Even better if you have 7 mana available, as you can do 5 to the head, and then later cast the shoal again to kill another creature.
Biggest problem: The deck relies on a legend, who though easy to kill in the mirror, is easily killed in the mirror (glacial rays, you never play a toshi to kill a toshi).
And how do you plan on paying the mana cost for the Winds.
The only reason I like this card is that he is a Black Samurai. This is not invisitext
Damn. Misread the card
Thought it was WAY more broken because it allowed you to play it for free.
My super-mistake. (I'm NOT german)
So I guess my combo doesn't even work... :/
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Hey, the splice deck may very well be twice as fast as a millstone deck, but when black's got very efficient discard, as well as cranial extraction, you're screwed.
Opponent says ok and get Cranial Plating countered, but sacs a bunch of stuff with Disciple out and attacks with a huge ravager...gg.
Block shows Potencial. And no powerful instants? Are we all forgetting the Shoals?
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I don't know if ravager would be in very good shape if you e-bolt 2 of thier guys with 1 e-bolt, then flash back an echoing decay.
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On turn 4. Even if you've gone first, and moxed it out 2nd turn, it's still third turn. Which, while solid, is pretty crappy against most other decks. Big Red would eat you alive, while Pyrite spellbombs in affinity make you afraid to play Toshi...
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How about a WRB samurai deck that run lots of glacial rays and other arcane instants.(Using that cat faced samurai to color fix, heh)
Searing Wind (along with the other winds) would be ABSOLUTLY FREAKING BRUTAL!
Just think of the combo'y-ness *drool*
The only reason I like this card is that he is a Black Samurai. This is not invisitext
And yay for a black protagonist!
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Or MBC could be edited to work with this guy. In T2, MBC runs lots of removal, and with a few more instants, this guy is an several times eternal witness. And he has three toughness on defense or when blocked. MBC w/Deathcloud may not run him, but MBC will see him...
You could use him with the new Reanimation spell that removes the creature from the game at end of turn. Still thats not really going to get you much.
I think that his potential lies in an Splice deck like someone said in an earlier post. Playing instants out of the graveyard then splicing something good like Glacial Ray or Dampen Thoughts. Maybe their will be some better splice spells in BoK.
It would be funny to play a Time stop or Gifts Ungiven with him. But overall I'm still not all that impressed.
@Twintwist Toshiro is no way near as good as Eternal Witness. Eternal Witness brought back anything he only brings back an instant, and only after your opponents creature goes to the library.
Step 1: Draw Toshi, play him.
Step 2: Draw Glacial ray.
Step 3: Draw a lava spike or something, spike your opponent spliced with the ray; if you have 3 left, do it again.
Black shoals almost garentee you'll be able to use his ability pretty quickly and effectively, even game-endingly. 5 mana, you have toshi, a shoal, and a glacial ray with a lava spike in the graveyard, that's 7 damage to their head and a fattie killed. Even better if you have 7 mana available, as you can do 5 to the head, and then later cast the shoal again to kill another creature.
Biggest problem: The deck relies on a legend, who though easy to kill in the mirror, is easily killed in the mirror (glacial rays, you never play a toshi to kill a toshi).
Damn. Misread the card
Thought it was WAY more broken because it allowed you to play it for free.
My super-mistake. (I'm NOT german)
So I guess my combo doesn't even work... :/