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haha this whole time i thought you were putting it in some sort of invisitext so we HAD to highlight it to see what it was.....just for fun or something:banghead: yah i dumb
I havent played in a format fot too long where counterspells completely ruled the day, but i have played against psychatog decks in standard (a while ago) and i hated it. This counters any spell for 4 mana, yes that is not nearly as good as the original counter spell, but there is a reason they took that out of standard. Blue is still a good color, it just requires a lot more deckbuilding skill now.
Personally i think counterspell is too powerful for standard, and hinder is right where counters should be right now. So, this isnt the best counterspell ever, but it is still ok. I can understand how you feel that blue isnt the best color anymore, but it is still playing a role even in standard where it is the weakest it has been in a long time.
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I mean, c'mon. If I HAVE to play a four-mana counter, I'd rather have Dismiss. Or Discombobulate. Or Rewind. In that order. "Wow, I get to pay 2 more to LOOK AT YOUR HAND. La de da."
Give me Hinder any day. That's a three-mana hard counter, IMHO.
i really wouldnt mind awful 4cc counterspells as long as they make really insane 5cc counterspells.... like time stop costing 5cc instead so some people might actually ever use it.
what the? i've been away for just 1 hour, and this thread has reached 3 pages... wow... you guys are fast (unlike some internet connections in some 3rd world country...
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wow... just... wow... look at that suckiness...
i'd take hinder anyday, thank you very much... (thanks r_e for the card)
and in it's defense, its a common, so there...
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i really wouldnt mind awful 4cc counterspells as long as they make really insane 5cc counterspells.... like time stop costing 5cc instead so some people might actually ever use it.
well if you're playing constructed, time stop is a must, since people would just sideboard in boseiju in game 2 (sometimes its even mainboard...)
and i play 3 in main, 1 in sideboard...
this card is just filler, one of the mots unimpressive counters i have seen lately.... as many of you can preduct THIS WILL NOT BE USED. It shouldve been costed ar UU1 to at least make it playable in MBC
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Clearly not that good, but honestly, hard counters should cost at least four IMO. I remember a time when we had pushed counters like FoW, Counterspell and Forbid, and I don't want to EVER face such a metagame again, since it's just plain unfun.
as for hard counters i agree that too much low casting cost counters arre booring but they should at least give a fairly decent hard conter at a low price.
It shouldve been costed ar UU1 to at least make it playable in MBC
i think you meant MUC (Mono blUe Control)...
since MBC means Mono Black Control... (yeah i was confused too at 1st...)
anyway...
scenario, against affinity...
a : minamo meddling your frogmite!! show me your hand!!!
b : nope, no hand, all already in play, attack with a 22/2 double plated ornithopter, GG...
a : aw crap...
with the meta as it is, sometimes looking at your opponent hand is worse...
(i can't handle bad news)
just like someone just pointed out, counter sundering titan, reveal tooth and nail ... or eternal witness
Oh my god, can things get worse?
Seriously, we don't need this anyway. Blue control already has Leak, Condescend, Hinder, and Rewind, which I think is sufficient.
I will feed any copies that I get at the prerelease to my dog. Wait, he might get diarrhoea and die. So I will just burn them as fuel.
Saviors of Kamigawa Counterspell - 2UU
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Counter target spell. You lose 20 life. Your opponent may kick you in the genitals up to three times. You must physically destroy your clothing, any automobiles you may own, and at least three cards from your deck of your opponent's choice. Evacuate your bowels and bladder simultaneously. Call a judge over and report your intention to concede the match and drop out if you are in a tournament. You automatically lose the next twenty matches of Magic you play. Insert one hand into your mouth and consume your own flesh. Break at least seven of your own bones. Dress up in baby clothing of the opposite gender and parade yourself in the street for no less than five minutes yelling, "I'M A LITTLE BABY! SOMEONE SPANK ME!". If no one has spanked you after those five minutes have passed, you must spank yourself while yelling, "I'M A BAD BOY!"
Istanbul, that card combos nicely with mindslaver, shared fate, and scry or some similar effect. Although, if you're controlling your opponents turn when they cast it, who has to parade in the baby clothes? Guess we'll have to wait for the SoK FAQ.
...so that is what Rosewater was saying about reserving «design space»...it's just another word for making crappy cards. I mean seriously this set is ALL about hype. Those of you who are still in denial I hope you are proving me wrong - maybe Wizards is holding back all the goodness in the remaining 40 cards or so...yeah, right.
But seriously this is all just very, very, very sad. I have been with Magic for a long time and don't always expect brokenness - but at least give us some new ideas. This is all just «Reprints-into-arcane», «Crappy-card-even-crappier-if-you-don't-control-CARDNAME», «Artifacts-that-do-what?» and «Crappy-creatures-with-a-lot-of-abitlities-noone-is-ever-going-to-use-so let's-make-'em-Legends». What the ****?
Somebody at wizards needs to get fired. I mean how many 2UU counterspells can there be?
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2UU
Counter target spell
Return target land to owners hand
2UU
Counter target spell
Target opponent skips his or her next Draw, Main or Combat Phase
2UU
Counter target spell
Search your library for an instant Arcane spell with converted mana cost 1 and put it into your hand
2UU
Counter target spell
Counter target spell (if there is no other spell on the stack CARDNAME is countered)
2UU
Counter target spell
Until end of turn target opponent cannot attack unless he or she pays 2 for each attacking creature
2UU
Counter target spell
Put the top three cards of opponents library into his graveyard
Thanks wizards another 2UU mediocre counterspell, just what my favorite all time deck architype needed(monobluecontrol). we've already got rewind and last word competing for a spot if you wanted to risk a 4cc counter and this is worse than either of them. The best i can say for it is that at least its common and doesn't waste a uncommon slot and if monoblue is viable in block constructed this might see some play(or maybe not we've already got hinder and thoughtbind and hisoka's defiance).
On the plus side we've now got the actual wording on floodbringer(thanks RE) and it's actually looking very good a 1U 1/2 flyer with a decent ability is above the curve for blue, and its another playable moonfolk for anyone dying to make a moonfolk theme'd deck. I can see it being used in one of the ninja decks people have been designing as a ninjitsu enabler as well.
I guess most counterspells will be 4 mana. Anything less than 4 mana either counters only a specific spell type or haves the words "unless its controller " pays extra to let it through. Oh, well.
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I think whenever we see a new counterspell we should just forget what counterspell was because R&D has deemed UU too powerful. So instead of comparing it to counterspell, we should compare it to rewind.
And....comparing it to rewind, its worse cause I rather have the mana, but not much worse, so we just have to get used to paying 4 to counter a spell.
So lets see... Counterspell=UU, Peek=U+cantrip. So I guess if you translate one of the U's into 2, this almost works, but it'd need to cantrip... this is just horrible.
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Another bad counterspell, geez, I thought looking at an opponent's hand was almost free, I mean, there's an enchantment that does that for 1 mana, and peek is a 1 mana cantrip that does that too.
You guys need to quit *****ing. You shouldn't be using counterspell as the standard by which all counters are compared to. Any time I see someone say "Not as good as Counterspell" it shows me that they really don't get it.
Counterspell was ALWAYS overpowered, and it has no place in standard anymore. When you compare any counter to any other counter, you have to compare to leak, rewind, hinder and the current batch of counters. In that company, this one is not that bad, really.
hmmm in some defense of this....a counter is still a counter....and hey at least it doesnt have a draw back like Vex although id prefer something like that cost NOT 4 but hey
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It should hve been 1UU... people you be happy for a plain counter at that cost, and the peek would make it at least not technically strictly worse than counter-spell.
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Personally i think counterspell is too powerful for standard, and hinder is right where counters should be right now. So, this isnt the best counterspell ever, but it is still ok. I can understand how you feel that blue isnt the best color anymore, but it is still playing a role even in standard where it is the weakest it has been in a long time.
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I mean, c'mon. If I HAVE to play a four-mana counter, I'd rather have Dismiss. Or Discombobulate. Or Rewind. In that order. "Wow, I get to pay 2 more to LOOK AT YOUR HAND. La de da."
Give me Hinder any day. That's a three-mana hard counter, IMHO.
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wow... just... wow... look at that suckiness...
i'd take hinder anyday, thank you very much... (thanks r_e for the card)
and in it's defense, its a common, so there...
well if you're playing constructed, time stop is a must, since people would just sideboard in boseiju in game 2 (sometimes its even mainboard...)
and i play 3 in main, 1 in sideboard...
Type 2 :
W U Solution.dec
Ravnica Block :
U B Glimpse.dec
as for hard counters i agree that too much low casting cost counters arre booring but they should at least give a fairly decent hard conter at a low price.
i think you meant MUC (Mono blUe Control)...
since MBC means Mono Black Control... (yeah i was confused too at 1st...)
anyway...
scenario, against affinity...
a : minamo meddling your frogmite!! show me your hand!!!
b : nope, no hand, all already in play, attack with a 22/2 double plated ornithopter, GG...
a : aw crap...
with the meta as it is, sometimes looking at your opponent hand is worse...
(i can't handle bad news)
just like someone just pointed out, counter sundering titan, reveal tooth and nail ... or eternal witness
Type 2 :
W U Solution.dec
Ravnica Block :
U B Glimpse.dec
Seriously, we don't need this anyway. Blue control already has Leak, Condescend, Hinder, and Rewind, which I think is sufficient.
I will feed any copies that I get at the prerelease to my dog. Wait, he might get diarrhoea and die. So I will just burn them as fuel.
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Counter target spell. You lose 20 life. Your opponent may kick you in the genitals up to three times. You must physically destroy your clothing, any automobiles you may own, and at least three cards from your deck of your opponent's choice. Evacuate your bowels and bladder simultaneously. Call a judge over and report your intention to concede the match and drop out if you are in a tournament. You automatically lose the next twenty matches of Magic you play. Insert one hand into your mouth and consume your own flesh. Break at least seven of your own bones. Dress up in baby clothing of the opposite gender and parade yourself in the street for no less than five minutes yelling, "I'M A LITTLE BABY! SOMEONE SPANK ME!". If no one has spanked you after those five minutes have passed, you must spank yourself while yelling, "I'M A BAD BOY!"
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But seriously this is all just very, very, very sad. I have been with Magic for a long time and don't always expect brokenness - but at least give us some new ideas. This is all just «Reprints-into-arcane», «Crappy-card-even-crappier-if-you-don't-control-CARDNAME», «Artifacts-that-do-what?» and «Crappy-creatures-with-a-lot-of-abitlities-noone-is-ever-going-to-use-so let's-make-'em-Legends». What the ****?
Somebody at wizards needs to get fired. I mean how many 2UU counterspells can there be?
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2UU
Counter target spell
Return target land to owners hand
2UU
Counter target spell
Target opponent skips his or her next Draw, Main or Combat Phase
2UU
Counter target spell
Search your library for an instant Arcane spell with converted mana cost 1 and put it into your hand
2UU
Counter target spell
Counter target spell (if there is no other spell on the stack CARDNAME is countered)
2UU
Counter target spell
Until end of turn target opponent cannot attack unless he or she pays 2 for each attacking creature
2UU
Counter target spell
Put the top three cards of opponents library into his graveyard
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kinda lousy thought.. 4cc.. with ability like Walker of Secret Ways..
Quash is much betta..
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On the plus side we've now got the actual wording on floodbringer(thanks RE) and it's actually looking very good a 1U 1/2 flyer with a decent ability is above the curve for blue, and its another playable moonfolk for anyone dying to make a moonfolk theme'd deck. I can see it being used in one of the ninja decks people have been designing as a ninjitsu enabler as well.
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And....comparing it to rewind, its worse cause I rather have the mana, but not much worse, so we just have to get used to paying 4 to counter a spell.
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You guys need to quit *****ing. You shouldn't be using counterspell as the standard by which all counters are compared to. Any time I see someone say "Not as good as Counterspell" it shows me that they really don't get it.
Counterspell was ALWAYS overpowered, and it has no place in standard anymore. When you compare any counter to any other counter, you have to compare to leak, rewind, hinder and the current batch of counters. In that company, this one is not that bad, really.