What are some of your crazy ideas on what could really be going on behind the scenes in Magic's lore? What doesn't Wizards want us to know about? You really don't have to even believe that your thery is true, it could just be a little tidbit that's fun to think about.
Mine is this: So. We know that the Phyrexian home plane was an artificial plane created by an unknown ancient dragon planeswalker. Bolas certainly didn't seem like he was the granddaddy of the Phyrexians when he sent Tezzeret there as a spy. So, if Bolas isn't the dragon planeswalker who created Phyrexia, that leaves.....
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Also: Gideon is the son of Heliod, or at least a Demi-God of some sort. The Eldrazi are world-renewers but something broke them, hence what happened with Emrakul.
What are some of your crazy ideas on what could really be going on behind the scenes in Magic's lore? What doesn't Wizards want us to know about? You really don't have to even believe that your thery is true, it could just be a little tidbit that's fun to think about.
Mine is this: So. We know that the Phyrexian home plane was an artificial plane created by an unknown ancient dragon planeswalker. Bolas certainly didn't seem like he was the granddaddy of the Phyrexians when he sent Tezzeret there as a spy. So, if Bolas isn't the dragon planeswalker who created Phyrexia, that leaves.....
What are some of your crazy ideas on what could really be going on behind the scenes in Magic's lore? What doesn't Wizards want us to know about? You really don't have to even believe that your thery is true, it could just be a little tidbit that's fun to think about.
Mine is this: So. We know that the Phyrexian home plane was an artificial plane created by an unknown ancient dragon planeswalker. Bolas certainly didn't seem like he was the granddaddy of the Phyrexians when he sent Tezzeret there as a spy. So, if Bolas isn't the dragon planeswalker who created Phyrexia, that leaves.....
My retcon headcanon is a bit different - Test of Metal, Clockworking included was canon and Tezzeret was actually sent to Mirrodin/New Phyrexia to execute the retcons via Clockworking, but was caught in the act, so he had to play along, then he was promptly sent to Creative to retcon everything else until they were finally done and Tezzeret was finally allowed back to Kaladesh.
The only reason Clockingworking doesn't exist now is because Tezzeret Clockworked the multiverse to one where the concept of Clockworking couldn't exist and as such the multiverse corrected itself by removing all Clockworking abilities and modifying memories associated to it, which is why Tezz/Bolas don't even acknowledge it anymore.
Ugin is so cranky because he trying to adjust to the mending.
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Part of me suspect the real reason Ugin wanted to keep the eldrazi alive is so that he could have researched them enough to finally control them. Then he could have used them for some unknown purpose.
Mine is this: So. We know that the Phyrexian home plane was an artificial plane created by an unknown ancient dragon planeswalker. Bolas certainly didn't seem like he was the granddaddy of the Phyrexians when he sent Tezzeret there as a spy. So, if Bolas isn't the dragon planeswalker who created Phyrexia, that leaves.....
Sorry to be the party-pooper, but this is not entirely what we know. The precise formulation in the book is "ancient planeswalker who favored the form of a dragon", meaning (and even hinting) that dragon was not his original appearance.
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Also: Gideon is the son of Heliod, or at least a Demi-God of some sort. The Eldrazi are world-renewers but something broke them, hence what happened with Emrakul.
Also believe this about Gideon.
I wonder if the Raven Man is actually the remaining essence of Leshrac. The rifts were sealed with Night's Reach's porcelain mask on Dominaria, right? That's his first appearance to Lilliana. Granted I also buy into him being a figment of Lilliana's mind or psyche, but it's entirely possible he's literally a PW fragment too, who knows.
I wonder what the deal is with Night's Reach. Before Thassa's Bident theft there was her mask.
Mine is this: So. We know that the Phyrexian home plane was an artificial plane created by an unknown ancient dragon planeswalker. Bolas certainly didn't seem like he was the granddaddy of the Phyrexians when he sent Tezzeret there as a spy. So, if Bolas isn't the dragon planeswalker who created Phyrexia, that leaves.....
Sorry to be the party-pooper, but this is not entirely what we know. The precise formulation in the book is "ancient planeswalker who favored the form of a dragon", meaning (and even hinting) that dragon was not his original appearance.
This reminds me of another headcanon: Ugin is a Jeskai Monk who mastered all five fires and ascended as a planeswalker (much like Narset did), and took the form of a dragon.
I wonder if the Raven Man is actually the remaining essence of Leshrac. The rifts were sealed with Night's Reach's porcelain mask on Dominaria, right? That's his first appearance to Lilliana. Granted I also buy into him being a figment of Lilliana's mind or psyche, but it's entirely possible he's literally a PW fragment too, who knows.
Last we heard Leshrac is trapped in the true Mask of Night's Reach. Supposedly, he died, but it's off camera and only from Bolas' stated intention. It could just be a sparkless Leshrac, and Leshrac did have mental powers.
I wonder what the deal is with Night's Reach. Before Thassa's Bident theft there was her mask.
Night's Reach could cross between planes. Back in the day, there were a bunch of creatures, mostly black, that could do that if powerful enough. Is that what you mean?
With Ugin origins being talked about I personally think he's an "elder dragon". Not the same as Bolas and his kin but similar, more than the dragonlords, just born on Tarkir instead of Bolas home plane. Also why he is the father of the other dragons of Tarkir like how the elder dragon where the other dragons came from.
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Mine is that Tazris Kozilek-induced vision is really what would have happened in the alternate timeline in which Ugin died: The Gatewatch wouldn't have gotten the insight they needed to kill Ulamog and Kozilek, are all killed by either them or Ob Nixilis and Zendikar is warped and consumed until only Tazri is left as a twisted abomination which craves to rebuild Zendikar and lure back its master.
It helps me in dealing with the new Tarkir (which I find very depressing and ruled by draconic dictators of five different varieties) because at least in this timeline there is hope for a return to a more balanced way while still allowing Zendikar to survive. It also shows that the Gatewatch really were just very lucky in killing the Titans. Without Ugin, the hedron network and Zendikars special properties as one of the more sentient planes they would have been utterly defeated (all of which was set up beforehand, making it much less of an ass-pull).
Night's Reach could cross between planes. Back in the day, there were a bunch of creatures, mostly black, that could do that if powerful enough. Is that what you mean?
I can only think of Night's Reach, Yawgmoth(?) and Marit Lage capable of this. But yeah they are all Black. I'm actually just curious about what became of her, while on the topic of Leshrac possibly being the Raven Man. Her porcelain mask was stolen which was the first instance of a divinity being robbed of her key item. Although unlike Thassa, Night's Reach was actually defeated by Bolas. It's just odd to think of a major Kami losing her power and weapon that way, like a major Theros god losing her spear. I wonder what becomes of them and their domains, etc. I know Bolas royally wrecked Nght's Reach - destroying her temples, turning her followers against her, stealing her Porcelain mask and even using it up. Then again, I suppose the Sisters could restore her "divinity counter" just as That Which Was Taken can in the game, and Purphoros probably just forged Thassa a Trident.
Anyway, Night's Reach is an interesting character to me. And I wonder if Leshrac is sticking with Lilliana as a necromancer for a reason.
With Ugin origins being talked about I personally think he's an "elder dragon". Not the same as Bolas and his kin but similar, more than the dragonlords, just born on Tarkir instead of Bolas home plane. Also why he is the father of the other dragons of Tarkir like how the elder dragon where the other dragons came from.
I think this is less headcanon and more heavily heavily implied by Wizards. As you said, he sires his own brood, he's ancient beyond measure, he's at least on par in terms of power with the other Elder Dragons, if not even more powerful and he looks WAY too similar to Bolas. If he ends up not being an Elder Dragon, Wizards has botched up even more than when they made the brood lords into Elder Dragons.
The Raven Man is secretly a very small fragment of Yawgmoth that managed to escape the eradication by white mana. Over a few hundred years, it has slowly built up its power and went under the guise "The Raven Man" in order to potentially avoid drawing the attention of any enemies it might still have that would relish in stamping out the last piece of Yawgmoth.
EDIT: Or the Raven Man is merely a figmentation within her mind and that all she is hearing and experiencing from him are just within her head.
Jace is himself an illusion created by Nicol Bolas to cause division within the MTG community to distract us from Bolas' plans
actually now that I'm thinking about it, what if Bolas did create original phyrexia? then it got sort of co-opted by Yawgmoth, but Bolas was like, "okay, let's see where he takes this," and then he sent Tezz as a spy to New Phyrexia to keep tabs on their development, and maybe they are so different from OG Phyrexia that they won't take orders from him if he tries to impose his will
actually now that I'm thinking about it, what if Bolas did create original phyrexia? then it got sort of co-opted by Yawgmoth, but Bolas was like, "okay, let's see where he takes this," and then he sent Tezz as a spy to New Phyrexia to keep tabs on their development, and maybe they are so different from OG Phyrexia that they won't take orders from him if he tries to impose his will
A few problems with contradicting known lore. First, the 'dragon' that created the plane later known as phyrexia was actually a human. Second, they died shortly after its construction, there corpse was in the 9th sphere when Yawgmoth goes there. Third, phyrexia as it is known, is 100% Yawgmoth, the plane that he built his glorious empire on was made by someone else but phyrexia was his and his alone.
Jace is himself an illusion created by Nicol Bolas to cause division within the MTG community to distract us from Bolas' plans
actually now that I'm thinking about it, what if Bolas did create original phyrexia? then it got sort of co-opted by Yawgmoth, but Bolas was like, "okay, let's see where he takes this," and then he sent Tezz as a spy to New Phyrexia to keep tabs on their development, and maybe they are so different from OG Phyrexia that they won't take orders from him if he tries to impose his will
I have my personal crackpot theory about Phyrexia, although it will probably be easily debunked as well: New Phyrexia descends into a devastating war among the faction, making it a desolate hellscape in the end. Karn, seeing what happenet to his plane, casts a desperate spell to rewind time on the plane and start anew. However, he loses control of the spell, instead hurling the whole plane thousands years into the past. Soon after, Yawgmoth finds the plane and starts rebuilding it as his own...
Goblins from beginningless time were once the masters of the multiverse. Strong, smart, quick, organized, powerful. Yet then a devastating event occurred and split their precious plane into a seemingly infinite number of shards that became lesser planes of their own. Because of this, many goblins forgot their true origins and became weaker as a result as thousands of years passed on. The only documented group of goblins to maintain the genetic strand that made them very intelligent from birth were those of the Mercadian. Many planar groups of goblins display pattern-like behaviors and physical builds of hostility, lower intelligence, scrawniness, and finding enjoyment in the disgusting or destructive.
Emrakul was once the very first planeswalker, a being so powerful that she ignited the spark that gave the oldwalkers their power. And before she settled into the Blind Eternities and was changed into her Elrazi form, she was a dragon, the great broodmother of Dominaria, and the matriarch that bore the Elder Dragons, explaining Bolas' eagerness to set her free.
There once existed a plane in the multiverse known as Luridia. A devastating cataclysm destroyed but also transformed all of humanity in their 5th age, the plane became a series of floating land masses. A strange yet terrifying old planeswalker named Hayo the Lingamorph not only caused the cataclysm but also gave new life to this desolate land by creating a brand new race, elves. These elves created the first new generation of humans that were born of mud and clay that they sought to worship, however the humans turned out to be fairly wicked. Thousands of years later, the Eldrazi visited this old plane. The humans, having spread like cockroaches at this point, worshiped these eldritch beings from beyond the stars and formed cults.. much to the collective facepalming of many an elf. Wars, betrayals, illicit acts and more became the foundations of this reshaped plane. This world, fueled by the darkest of intentions, had one day come to an end however. This sudden end coming from five archangels, each embodying a virtue and having slumbering away within the plane's core for ten thousand years, who each contributed in obliterating this sickly plane from existence. Flash forward a hundred years and the plane was nothing more than a picked clean landscape that existed as one solid mass thanks to the Eldrazi. Flash forward more and we encounter Karn who changed this place to be Argentum and created the first race of creatures for this plane, Golems. One of these golems, Memnarch, sought to create and gather more life to this plane. Under his reign this plane would then become Mirrodin and then finally as New Phyrexia thanks to the new generation of Phyrexians who enslaved the inhabitants and transformed them and this plane as well. The Phyrexians worshiped Karn and soon the Eldrazi as well that would return to ravage this all too familiar landscape once more.
Some things never seem to actually change in the multiverse.
Mine is this: So. We know that the Phyrexian home plane was an artificial plane created by an unknown ancient dragon planeswalker. Bolas certainly didn't seem like he was the granddaddy of the Phyrexians when he sent Tezzeret there as a spy. So, if Bolas isn't the dragon planeswalker who created Phyrexia, that leaves.....
-Chandra Nalaar
In my head the great being Gideon killed in order to get his spark is the old RG Therosian god.
Lim-Dul is the Raven Man. Maybe not so crackpot?
Also: Gideon is the son of Heliod, or at least a Demi-God of some sort. The Eldrazi are world-renewers but something broke them, hence what happened with Emrakul.
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The only reason Clockingworking doesn't exist now is because Tezzeret Clockworked the multiverse to one where the concept of Clockworking couldn't exist and as such the multiverse corrected itself by removing all Clockworking abilities and modifying memories associated to it, which is why Tezz/Bolas don't even acknowledge it anymore.
Ugin is so cranky because he trying to adjust to the mending.
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Sorry to be the party-pooper, but this is not entirely what we know. The precise formulation in the book is "ancient planeswalker who favored the form of a dragon", meaning (and even hinting) that dragon was not his original appearance.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
I wonder if the Raven Man is actually the remaining essence of Leshrac. The rifts were sealed with Night's Reach's porcelain mask on Dominaria, right? That's his first appearance to Lilliana. Granted I also buy into him being a figment of Lilliana's mind or psyche, but it's entirely possible he's literally a PW fragment too, who knows.
I wonder what the deal is with Night's Reach. Before Thassa's Bident theft there was her mask.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Last we heard Leshrac is trapped in the true Mask of Night's Reach. Supposedly, he died, but it's off camera and only from Bolas' stated intention. It could just be a sparkless Leshrac, and Leshrac did have mental powers.
Night's Reach could cross between planes. Back in the day, there were a bunch of creatures, mostly black, that could do that if powerful enough. Is that what you mean?
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It helps me in dealing with the new Tarkir (which I find very depressing and ruled by draconic dictators of five different varieties) because at least in this timeline there is hope for a return to a more balanced way while still allowing Zendikar to survive. It also shows that the Gatewatch really were just very lucky in killing the Titans. Without Ugin, the hedron network and Zendikars special properties as one of the more sentient planes they would have been utterly defeated (all of which was set up beforehand, making it much less of an ass-pull).
Anyway, Night's Reach is an interesting character to me. And I wonder if Leshrac is sticking with Lilliana as a necromancer for a reason.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
I think this is less headcanon and more heavily heavily implied by Wizards. As you said, he sires his own brood, he's ancient beyond measure, he's at least on par in terms of power with the other Elder Dragons, if not even more powerful and he looks WAY too similar to Bolas. If he ends up not being an Elder Dragon, Wizards has botched up even more than when they made the brood lords into Elder Dragons.
EDIT: Or the Raven Man is merely a figmentation within her mind and that all she is hearing and experiencing from him are just within her head.
actually now that I'm thinking about it, what if Bolas did create original phyrexia? then it got sort of co-opted by Yawgmoth, but Bolas was like, "okay, let's see where he takes this," and then he sent Tezz as a spy to New Phyrexia to keep tabs on their development, and maybe they are so different from OG Phyrexia that they won't take orders from him if he tries to impose his will
I have my personal crackpot theory about Phyrexia, although it will probably be easily debunked as well: New Phyrexia descends into a devastating war among the faction, making it a desolate hellscape in the end. Karn, seeing what happenet to his plane, casts a desperate spell to rewind time on the plane and start anew. However, he loses control of the spell, instead hurling the whole plane thousands years into the past. Soon after, Yawgmoth finds the plane and starts rebuilding it as his own...
Now that would be fun!
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