I'm pretty sure the Gatewatch will be putting out metaphorical fires (potentially from New Phyrexian incursions) for the next decade. Yawgmoth would beast on them.
Also: did everyone miss Ugin's incredibly blatant "y'all ****ed up by killing the Eldrazi, prepare for the multiverse to eat itself" discussion at the end of the recent story? Or the fact that Zendikar is basically doomed to slow extinction without Nissa's help? Come on, people.
I guess if someone converts all the whining about the BFZ story into mana, Chandra could use that mana to cast a fireball that obliterates old Phyrexia, new Phyrexia, Yawgmoth, Urza, Niclo Bolas, Emrakul, Mark Rosewater and a Grizzly Bear in one spell.
Get Tezzeret to team up with them. He can build this. Get it overclocked.
I really think the term "Jacetice League" should be retired. I agree with Maro that it is alienating and derogatory.
While I agree that the FIRES OF FRIENDSHIP is a new low in Magic storytelling, I'm not getting the fanboi support of Phyrexia, either. It is just as much of an overpowered gimmick plot hole as the whole Eldrazi thing. Magical plague that infects anything living or dead to kill them within minutes and turn them into ravenous undead monstrosity etched with metal and tubes that just coalesced from thin air? Terraforming entire landscapes into mires of black goo that is actually a sophisticated alien nano machine (or have they retconned it)?
Does it also serve you hot coffee in bed by chance? It's an even more obnoxious example of bad storytelling. Boo wooo, phyrexia stronk, fear phyrexia cuz its stronk. Surely, the story might need a powerful antagonist to force the heroes to get their act together..but the implementation leaves much to be desired. They have never even provided believable explanation for where the Phyrexians got all of that fancy tech, either.
To be reasonable, the Weatherlight crew did unload the Null Moon's accumulated mana on Yawgmoth and that hurt him. So a plane-powered fireblast might do something (but does it have to be white mana?).
Yawgmoth might possess godlike powers on his own plane, but he is just a superpowered sorcerer loaded with black mana everywhere else.
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
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Chandra can burn things. Great; i guess. Oh wait Chandra is basically a much weaker version of Jaya Ballard. And Jaya Ballard wasn't strong enough to even fight one of Urza's Titans.
Uh, where was that established? For all we know, Jaya could have easily burned one of the Titan suits easily as she was the "ultimate pyromancer", shame that they decided to kill her offscreen on Planar Chaos.
Gideon is indestructible to damage and destruction effects but I am willing to bet he can still be infected and if not converted into a terrifying weapon.
Actually, no, as long as Gideon remains focused enough, he could swim in a sea of glistening oil and not even catch a cold. Besides, planeswalkers are immune to being compleated, because their spark gives them such immunity. Also, Melira is immune to the oil's effects, COMPLETELY. And Tezzeret, class-S A-Hole, will be Phyrexia's new boss, because planeswakers trump everything else, yuck.
The Phyrexians are not a mass of tentacles or an eldrazi. They are an infection. Simply killing the host won't stop the infection, only the spread.
Bad news for ya, fella, Karn CAN STOP THE INFECTION. Besides, the Eldrazi were presented as monsters who weren't even completely inside the plane they were destroying, they were just appendages that regrowed endlessly, they were supossed to be the cosmic horrors that could never be completely destroyed, only delayed, which was expressed in the cards through their anti-reanimation clause and combination with Eye of Ugin, you thought you destroyed the titan, bad luck, because it would reappear sooner or later throught the portal. The problem was that creative decided that they had to solve "the Eldrazi problem" somehow, and thus, friendship fire with plot armor of mary-sueness, MaRo stated specifically that the gatewatch HAD to win their first mission because somehow showing that they didn't completely erase from existence the two titans would be a miserable failure, and the gatewatch COULD NOT have its first mission to be a failure (Even when MANY heroic stories start with the heroes having at most a PARTIAL VICTORY over the antagonists).
Also, the whole "glistening oil that carries ALL the essence of Phyrexia in even one drop" was a COLOSSAL retcon, as far as everybody was concerned, Phyrexia got reduced to an ashen wasteland full of ruins and Yawgmoth was deader than dead by the end of the Invasion story. Phyrexia wasn't a "twisted, evil plane like its creator" because NOTHING is known and WON'T be known about said creator, it was just a plane that Yawgmoth turned into the MtG version of Hell. Also, the new Praetors didn't appear in any of the books, they were only "made canon" in one UR called "The Lost Confession".
The whole problem with the gatewatch is, that they accomplished in 3 months what Urza did in almost 6 years of real-world time, which was defeating their biggest enemy. They could have just kill Ulamog and leave the other two for later, and people would've been happy with it, but no, they basically destroyed all the Eldrazi (Emrakul was spared because the Two-Block thingie, otherwise, it would be toast too, Bonds of Mortality hinted that Emrakul 2.0 could have had Hexproof). Yes, the artbook said that thr three were the known titans and all stuff, but seeing how fast things get retconned in the game for the sake of merchandising, they might say next week that Emrakul got owned by Bolas off-screen.
The stories in BFZ also grossly disregarded the very rules that suppossedly were established almost every two paragraphs, one example was the absurdity of reading how Drana plunged straight inside a Sire of Stagnation to drink on its "blood" and WASN'T DISINTEGRATED BY TOUCHING IT, much less from being COATED AND STUFFED WITH ELDRAZI, when I was reading it my first thought was "oh, well, she dies in this UR", but then I was like "What the hell? How could she survive THAT??" and everything went peachy and fine, not very convincing to say the least.
Does Nissa have access to leylines outside of Zendikar? Afaik, she doesn't, so she'd be useless anywhere else.
Maybe she does, it's mostly a matter of how the writer's feeling at the moment, who can claim that Nissa "needs some time to obtain attunement with the plane's leylines" or "yes, she can instantly control the leylines", it'll be as the plot dictates.
So, would the JL have beaten Old Phyrexia? That depends if they had the leylines (And Dominaria's leylines would be stronger than Zendikar's as it's the biggest plane on the multiverse) and a pyromancer to channel all that fire, Urza had so much trouble because he didn't have either. In fact, hiring Jaya Ballard would've saved him many troubles there.
Also, Melira is immune to the oil's effects, COMPLETELY. And Tezzeret, class-S A-Hole, will be Phyrexia's new boss, because planeswakers trump everything else, yuck.
Melira is currently fighting for her survival alongside Koth because being immune to the oil doesn't stop her from being torn to shreds, and Tezzeret fled Mirrodin on Bolas's orders after getting bodied. [source]
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As much as you insist on claiming that old Phyrexia was invincible and that Urza was invincible and that every "pre-mending" character was invincible, you have to deal with the fact that all the story of the game will eventually get retconned to suit the needs of marketing at one point or another, the biggest and one of the most hated retcons being the famous Mending; which was a try to tackle the the problem with the above-than-god-oldwalkers. You see, that's the problem with invincible characters, they make the story boring at some point or another, because if they wipe everything out, there wasn't any challenge to begin; and if they get defeated, someone will always think it was due to a dissapointing deus-ex-machina.
Invasion story has its fair share of atrociously absurd moments that defy the most flexible discredit and where several characters do insane stuff for no apparent reason (Like, Urza surrenders to Phyrexia?; Lets Tvesh Szat to kill another Titan just "to have an excuse to trigger the bomb that killed him"? nd no one else dared to punch half of his teeth off for that?; Yawgmoth simply waves a finger and "depowers" the invincible Urza?), just to pull another plot device from the sleeve or to fill a page or word quota, and I heard the Odissey and Mirrodin cycles' stories were at some point or another really forced or just felt cheaply written.
About the elements you mentioned:
"Jaya was weaker than Urza" According to what? In fact, Urza didn't seem to be the most "powerful" of all the 'walkers on direct combat, as he almost got offed by Gix, a being on the same level of the Praetors such as Elesh Norn and Sheoldred; his true power came from his fantastic intellect which he exploited to create and develop incredible plans that spanned years and to design awesomely powerful artifacts such as those from the Legacy.
"We are talking about old lore where..." Because trying to compare "old lore" or pre-revisionism against "new lore" or posr-revisionism is equal to trying to operate two different unknown variables in a math equation, which is a logical fallacy, or in a more plain language, you're trying to "compare apples with oranges". Dyfed was caught with an all-purpose-mac-guffin powerstone blade that "scrambled her brain" and she "switched off her immortality" and died later when Rebbec took said stone off her head, so, there you have it, another moment where instead of doing the logical thing according to the rules of the story, which would've been just to rebuild her body as oldwalkers were shapeshifters, and continue living. The Gideon / Grim Affliction is just one example of how mechanics can't completely cover the flavor, such as Gerrard Capashen, who beat both Tsabo Tavoc and Crovax the Ascendant Evincar in SINGLE COMBAT even when it isn't possible in the actual game.
"Karn can't cure Mirrodin..." It was mentioned at some point in the wiki that Karn "could neutralize the glistening oil", but, it seems it got, retconned.
Nº. 4 shows that you're just one of the many people that didn't like the Mending.
"The war wasn't waged just on Dominaria..." Yawgmoth's plan was to invade Dominaria, every other plane found was just a means for that goal. Besides, WotC dragged the story for almost 7 whole years. And Phyrexia ended as an useless wasteland by the end of Invasion's story.
"Size of the plane doesn't equal quantity of mana" Unless a writer tells the contrary, like "Dominaria's the center of the Multiverse, so it has the strongest leylines". About Lorwyn's mana source, meh, retcon.
Look, I know you want so adamantly to convince me that as I said at the beginning of the post that your favorite is invincible and stands in a pedestal that'll never be knocked down, but you'll have to stand and accept that by the way they're handling the stories now, the next time Emrakul or Phyrexia appear, it'll be to be completely wiped out and defeated in two expansions; it seems that stories that spanned at least two real-time years are a thing of the past.
And that's because merhcandising, look at how they handled the Eldrazi, just TWO expansions, and there's a lot of whiners complaining that "There's too much Eldrazi! Waaahhh! D:". Imagine their reaction if they had to deal with Phyrexians for SEVEN YEARS, which were about NINETEEN EXPANSIONS of having them as antagonists, of having them being the "big bads" all the time. They had tenuous mechanic and thematic intersections, such as "evil machinery", "diseases", "sacrifice-cannibalism" and a bit more, the game's got to a point where they're trying to profoundly renew it with each new block, why is quite hard to accomplish where you have the same story with the same characters stepping between two different blocks.
I thought the "Jacestus League" moniker was funny. Though that's because it's a new thing to me, and I haven't heard it ten thousand times over the last few years.
The Jace-League couldn't beat, let alone touch Yawgmoth.
1. Jaya was weaker than Urza, that was always known. And if Urza can't defeat the Phyrexian Army on his own then clearly Jaya cannot.
Jaya was a mortal spellcaster, which probably put some limit on the amount of mana she could potentially channel, even if given access to a large 'mana pool'. This leads me to another question, btw: why have pretty much nobody in MTG lore across the planes develop some sort of mana amplifier that would allow a person to channel excessive amounts of mana without damaging themselves? Something akin to a Sa'angreal from WoT, that both protects the channeler and increases his capacity. Urza had thousands of years to come up with something, is he not an artificer, in the end?
Sure, Izzet have their over-engineered manapunk gizmos, but they don't seem to be overly useful.
3. Karn can't cure Mirrodin/Argentum. He cannot cure original Phyrexia. He left Elspeth and Koth on Mirrodin to go and find other planes which he inadvertently infected to prevent them from going out of control.
That's because (a) Mirrodin is completely metallic and is, thus, uniquely susceptible to Phyrexian corruption, and (b) because Karn is fairly clueless on how the oil works and how it can be disrupted or eradicated. He could probably come up with something if he put enough effort into researching Phyrexia, but for all the fancy magic that we come across I've yet to see a functional microscope be mentioned anywhere in MTG lore. Do you see now what all that fancy magic can do to you? Even the 'sophisticated' societies like Esper are more or less techno-barbarians.
5. The war wasn't waged just on Dominaria. It was waged all over the multiverse from Rath, Serra's plane, Phyrexia and Dominaria. Urza and the Titans attacked Phyrexia in hopes to wipe out their armies. It didn't quite work, although they did suceed in wiping out most life on the outer spheres.
They succeeded in totally annihilating all spheres using Soul Bombs, and, on top of that, the plane will quickly collapse without the maintenance Yawgmoth could provide. It was in a bad shape anyways since the death of its actual creator. IIRC it was outright stated in the Thran book that the plane had merely years before collapse if left unattended. How long has it been since Apocalypse, centuries? Old Phyrexia had gone the way of Serra's realm by now.
Is there an actual source for this? I'm fairly certain that Phyrexian compleation is just handwaved in the 'canon' we have from WOTC.
I think it's going from in-game interactions. Gideon always gets a damage prevention effect in Creature form (and usually gets indestructible), but instant speed -N/-N effects can still kill him.
Voted the 4th option. Old Phyrexia had Phyrexian Negators created specifically for finding and destroying planeswalkers.. just from those alone, Jace and friends would already have a tough time. New Phyrexia has an even deadlier version in the form of Phyrexian Obliterator - Elspeth was badly wounded by one of those.
In a sense, Phyrexia isn't completely unlike the a sort of Matrix AI, it is self-adaptive and will evolve its components to achieve their goals. The negators were a constantly evolving threats that would adapt and evolve after each encounter. The Gatewatch would just be some data to be analysed in order to provide the best response. Gideon being "indesttuctible" is no more a challenge the oldwalkers were. Yawgmoth, as a death cloud, could obliterate on the spot oldwalkers. It took millennia to arrange all the pieces of the puzzle and it was a Pyrrhus victory, so it would take pretty good storytelling to have the Gatewatch flatly defeat Phyrexia.
After reading the books where Urza took eight other Planeswalkers in crazy dreadnought suits and had magical planet destroying soul bombs and still failed, the Gatewatch lose. Even the Oldwalkers were unable to just stand on Phyrexia without protection because it was so corrosive. No contest.
Just throwing this out there, You know when the Mirrian still had an army and they got the backing of Koth, Karn, Elspeth, and Venser. They still lost to the New Phyrexian, I don't think the gatewatch
would've dent Old Phyrexia.
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Also: did everyone miss Ugin's incredibly blatant "y'all ****ed up by killing the Eldrazi, prepare for the multiverse to eat itself" discussion at the end of the recent story? Or the fact that Zendikar is basically doomed to slow extinction without Nissa's help? Come on, people.
Get Tezzeret to team up with them. He can build this. Get it overclocked.
Yeah, the name's just salt.
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Does it also serve you hot coffee in bed by chance? It's an even more obnoxious example of bad storytelling. Boo wooo, phyrexia stronk, fear phyrexia cuz its stronk. Surely, the story might need a powerful antagonist to force the heroes to get their act together..but the implementation leaves much to be desired. They have never even provided believable explanation for where the Phyrexians got all of that fancy tech, either.
Yawgmoth might possess godlike powers on his own plane, but he is just a superpowered sorcerer loaded with black mana everywhere else.
I think Deus Ex plots and Mary Sue characters should be retired, but we don't always get what we want do we?
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Uh, where was that established? For all we know, Jaya could have easily burned one of the Titan suits easily as she was the "ultimate pyromancer", shame that they decided to kill her offscreen on Planar Chaos.
Actually, no, as long as Gideon remains focused enough, he could swim in a sea of glistening oil and not even catch a cold. Besides, planeswalkers are immune to being compleated, because their spark gives them such immunity. Also, Melira is immune to the oil's effects, COMPLETELY. And Tezzeret, class-S A-Hole, will be Phyrexia's new boss, because planeswakers trump everything else, yuck.
Bad news for ya, fella, Karn CAN STOP THE INFECTION. Besides, the Eldrazi were presented as monsters who weren't even completely inside the plane they were destroying, they were just appendages that regrowed endlessly, they were supossed to be the cosmic horrors that could never be completely destroyed, only delayed, which was expressed in the cards through their anti-reanimation clause and combination with Eye of Ugin, you thought you destroyed the titan, bad luck, because it would reappear sooner or later throught the portal. The problem was that creative decided that they had to solve "the Eldrazi problem" somehow, and thus, friendship fire with plot armor of mary-sueness, MaRo stated specifically that the gatewatch HAD to win their first mission because somehow showing that they didn't completely erase from existence the two titans would be a miserable failure, and the gatewatch COULD NOT have its first mission to be a failure (Even when MANY heroic stories start with the heroes having at most a PARTIAL VICTORY over the antagonists).
Also, the whole "glistening oil that carries ALL the essence of Phyrexia in even one drop" was a COLOSSAL retcon, as far as everybody was concerned, Phyrexia got reduced to an ashen wasteland full of ruins and Yawgmoth was deader than dead by the end of the Invasion story. Phyrexia wasn't a "twisted, evil plane like its creator" because NOTHING is known and WON'T be known about said creator, it was just a plane that Yawgmoth turned into the MtG version of Hell. Also, the new Praetors didn't appear in any of the books, they were only "made canon" in one UR called "The Lost Confession".
The whole problem with the gatewatch is, that they accomplished in 3 months what Urza did in almost 6 years of real-world time, which was defeating their biggest enemy. They could have just kill Ulamog and leave the other two for later, and people would've been happy with it, but no, they basically destroyed all the Eldrazi (Emrakul was spared because the Two-Block thingie, otherwise, it would be toast too, Bonds of Mortality hinted that Emrakul 2.0 could have had Hexproof). Yes, the artbook said that thr three were the known titans and all stuff, but seeing how fast things get retconned in the game for the sake of merchandising, they might say next week that Emrakul got owned by Bolas off-screen.
The stories in BFZ also grossly disregarded the very rules that suppossedly were established almost every two paragraphs, one example was the absurdity of reading how Drana plunged straight inside a Sire of Stagnation to drink on its "blood" and WASN'T DISINTEGRATED BY TOUCHING IT, much less from being COATED AND STUFFED WITH ELDRAZI, when I was reading it my first thought was "oh, well, she dies in this UR", but then I was like "What the hell? How could she survive THAT??" and everything went peachy and fine, not very convincing to say the least.
Maybe she does, it's mostly a matter of how the writer's feeling at the moment, who can claim that Nissa "needs some time to obtain attunement with the plane's leylines" or "yes, she can instantly control the leylines", it'll be as the plot dictates.
So, would the JL have beaten Old Phyrexia? That depends if they had the leylines (And Dominaria's leylines would be stronger than Zendikar's as it's the biggest plane on the multiverse) and a pyromancer to channel all that fire, Urza had so much trouble because he didn't have either. In fact, hiring Jaya Ballard would've saved him many troubles there.
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Invasion story has its fair share of atrociously absurd moments that defy the most flexible discredit and where several characters do insane stuff for no apparent reason (Like, Urza surrenders to Phyrexia?; Lets Tvesh Szat to kill another Titan just "to have an excuse to trigger the bomb that killed him"? nd no one else dared to punch half of his teeth off for that?; Yawgmoth simply waves a finger and "depowers" the invincible Urza?), just to pull another plot device from the sleeve or to fill a page or word quota, and I heard the Odissey and Mirrodin cycles' stories were at some point or another really forced or just felt cheaply written.
About the elements you mentioned:
"Jaya was weaker than Urza" According to what? In fact, Urza didn't seem to be the most "powerful" of all the 'walkers on direct combat, as he almost got offed by Gix, a being on the same level of the Praetors such as Elesh Norn and Sheoldred; his true power came from his fantastic intellect which he exploited to create and develop incredible plans that spanned years and to design awesomely powerful artifacts such as those from the Legacy.
"We are talking about old lore where..." Because trying to compare "old lore" or pre-revisionism against "new lore" or posr-revisionism is equal to trying to operate two different unknown variables in a math equation, which is a logical fallacy, or in a more plain language, you're trying to "compare apples with oranges". Dyfed was caught with an all-purpose-mac-guffin powerstone blade that "scrambled her brain" and she "switched off her immortality" and died later when Rebbec took said stone off her head, so, there you have it, another moment where instead of doing the logical thing according to the rules of the story, which would've been just to rebuild her body as oldwalkers were shapeshifters, and continue living. The Gideon / Grim Affliction is just one example of how mechanics can't completely cover the flavor, such as Gerrard Capashen, who beat both Tsabo Tavoc and Crovax the Ascendant Evincar in SINGLE COMBAT even when it isn't possible in the actual game.
"Karn can't cure Mirrodin..." It was mentioned at some point in the wiki that Karn "could neutralize the glistening oil", but, it seems it got, retconned.
Nº. 4 shows that you're just one of the many people that didn't like the Mending.
"The war wasn't waged just on Dominaria..." Yawgmoth's plan was to invade Dominaria, every other plane found was just a means for that goal. Besides, WotC dragged the story for almost 7 whole years. And Phyrexia ended as an useless wasteland by the end of Invasion's story.
"Size of the plane doesn't equal quantity of mana" Unless a writer tells the contrary, like "Dominaria's the center of the Multiverse, so it has the strongest leylines". About Lorwyn's mana source, meh, retcon.
Look, I know you want so adamantly to convince me that as I said at the beginning of the post that your favorite is invincible and stands in a pedestal that'll never be knocked down, but you'll have to stand and accept that by the way they're handling the stories now, the next time Emrakul or Phyrexia appear, it'll be to be completely wiped out and defeated in two expansions; it seems that stories that spanned at least two real-time years are a thing of the past.
And that's because merhcandising, look at how they handled the Eldrazi, just TWO expansions, and there's a lot of whiners complaining that "There's too much Eldrazi! Waaahhh! D:". Imagine their reaction if they had to deal with Phyrexians for SEVEN YEARS, which were about NINETEEN EXPANSIONS of having them as antagonists, of having them being the "big bads" all the time. They had tenuous mechanic and thematic intersections, such as "evil machinery", "diseases", "sacrifice-cannibalism" and a bit more, the game's got to a point where they're trying to profoundly renew it with each new block, why is quite hard to accomplish where you have the same story with the same characters stepping between two different blocks.
Fan of Both old and new Slivers (But the new ones are still better anyway)
C Call of Emrakul - G vs R DD: Elves vs. Goblins - W vs B DD: Divine vs. Demonic - WUB Esper Artifice - RGW Aura Dancers
WUBRG Wrath of the Reaper King - WB Men of Faith - B Mercenaries - UB Phyrexian Assault 2.0 - WU Artifacts of Empires
BR Skeleton Warriors - RG Night of The Howlpack - B Bog Murderers - BR Eldrazi Assault - BGU Ulamog's Swarm
Jaya was a mortal spellcaster, which probably put some limit on the amount of mana she could potentially channel, even if given access to a large 'mana pool'. This leads me to another question, btw: why have pretty much nobody in MTG lore across the planes develop some sort of mana amplifier that would allow a person to channel excessive amounts of mana without damaging themselves? Something akin to a Sa'angreal from WoT, that both protects the channeler and increases his capacity. Urza had thousands of years to come up with something, is he not an artificer, in the end?
Sure, Izzet have their over-engineered manapunk gizmos, but they don't seem to be overly useful.
Is there an actual source for this? I'm fairly certain that Phyrexian compleation is just handwaved in the 'canon' we have from WOTC.
That's because (a) Mirrodin is completely metallic and is, thus, uniquely susceptible to Phyrexian corruption, and (b) because Karn is fairly clueless on how the oil works and how it can be disrupted or eradicated. He could probably come up with something if he put enough effort into researching Phyrexia, but for all the fancy magic that we come across I've yet to see a functional microscope be mentioned anywhere in MTG lore. Do you see now what all that fancy magic can do to you? Even the 'sophisticated' societies like Esper are more or less techno-barbarians.
They succeeded in totally annihilating all spheres using Soul Bombs, and, on top of that, the plane will quickly collapse without the maintenance Yawgmoth could provide. It was in a bad shape anyways since the death of its actual creator. IIRC it was outright stated in the Thran book that the plane had merely years before collapse if left unattended. How long has it been since Apocalypse, centuries? Old Phyrexia had gone the way of Serra's realm by now.
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would've dent Old Phyrexia.