The title says it all - which major characters don't have cards? Let's do this again, since the last one was a while ago. I'm putting this in speculation because we're going to be speculating on the colors of those characters. I'm going back and reading everything from the start, and it's clear there are some major gaps in story characters making it to cards. Please note that these need to be major characters, or have a strong reason why they'd be interesting cards. For instance: Ratepe, while definitely a major character, is kind of just a guy and really wouldn't make an interesting card. If you want to add to the list, name the character (can be a legend or walker), colors and era. Be prepared to justify the colors. I'll come back and add to this as time goes on.
Please note, this is NOT the place for custom card creation. Characters who are represented on cards but don't have their own legend or planeswalker card count as not having a card for the purpose of this thread.
Edit: Add that I'm excluding pre-revisionist characters (anyone created before the Artifacts Cycle that didn't appear afterward) just for how unlikely it is that they'll reappear. Preferably, they're characters who are either majorly important to the story, or have been named on a card (or appear in card art).
Artifacts Cycle The Thran
Glacian
Rebbec
Yawgmoth
The Brother's War
Gix B
Kayla Bin-Kroog W
Urza U
Tawnos U or UG
Ashnod B, R or BR
Tocasia U or UW
Urza and Tawnos are tough ones. Urza, while seemingly blue, is specifically referred to in the books as having an underlying white essence. Personally, as Mishra is RBU, I think Urza makes the most sense in WUB, but that makes more sense for Urza planeswalker than the Urza we know in Brother's War.
Planeswalker
Xantcha B
Serra W
Urza Planeswalker WUB
Urza makes sense in WUB here, because we already knew he was blue, but Serra mentions he has a white essence and has been cursed by black.
Time Streams
Kerrick/K'rrik B
Bloodlines
Gatha R
Kreig R
Davvol B
Croag B
Ice Age Cycle
Mairsil the Pretender B
Jodah
Leshrac B
Jaya Ballard (Planeswalker) R
Weatherlight Saga
Yawgmoth B
Belbe
Odyssey
Turg UR
Ravnica Cycle
Feather WR
Pivlic WB
Crix UR
Fblthp
Shards of Alara
Crucius
Innistrad
Edgar Markov B
Ludevic U
Jenrik U
Runo Stromkirk B
Theros
Arixmethes, the Lost City U
Tarkir
Taigam (Either Timeline) U
Origins
Captain Baral W or U
Mother Luti R
The Raven Man B (I'm still thinking this is an existing pre-mending character)
I'd love to have seen Kaya with a card, most likely in .
Tocasia, also, as either straight or . Mechanically I think Tocasia would be interesting, but mostly because of how much of Urza's pre-spark character was shaped by her influence and training. I'd argue that Urza's white comes from growing up under her tutelage. Urza was always closer to her, where Mishra was closer to the desert people (and I think that's where a lot of his red comes from).
I think I'd put Urza down as WUBR. He does seem to be quite driven by his emotions at times as well as other factors, what with one one of his motivations against the phyrexians being revenge. As well, Urza is meant to be the greatest artificer the multiverse has ever known, and R along with U and W cares about, and interacts with, artifacts the most. Along with these, it would add to the grand scale of Urza as a planeswalker card. Oldwalkers are meant to have been godlike beings with vast arrays of mana and abilities at their disposal, and Urza is known by many to perhaps have been the greatest of these. Having Urza as a 4 color planeswalker would not only make sense as to his character, flavor and mechanics, but also to the prestige that he is meant to carry.
Plus, G seems to be the only color that isn't apart of his personality and the only thing, as far as colors go, that he completely doesn't care for. Urza would disrupt the natural order in a heartbeat(and did, a lot) to achieve his goals.
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I would argue that Urza is mostly Blue-Red. He may have gotten some White later in life, but certainly not in the Brother's War era.
A few other characters lacking cards:
Odyssey's Turg always struck me as a glaring omission. Since his whole deal is the balance between control and savagery and his powers are invisibility and lightning, he's gotta be UR.
People talk about a Planeswalker card for Serra (W) - I'd also like to see one for Feroz (B). Though I suppose that once you open that door, there's a lot of Pre-Mending 'Walkers to be discussed. If we only get one, I vote Ravidel(?), just to finally nail down that guy's color identity.
Roreca (G). I'll admit that I only know she even exists thanks to Multiverser In Review, but I now see it as a tragedy that we made it through Time Spiral without getting a representation of Magic's original jarringly-excluded character. What the heck is Roreca?
Mother Luti (R). I may not like Chandra, but I think Luti is a fantastic portrayal of a red-aligned authority figure, always encouraging her people to follow their hearts and getting a bit reckless herself at times. A cool lady - I'd have loved to get her instead of the Abbot.
Continuing on the Chandra kick, Captain Baral (U). He's a chilling (heh) villain we're bound to see eventually, and I cannot wait.
The assorted side characters from Tarkir need some love. I'd especially like card for Taigam (UB), but all of them sound fascinating - I've put a lot more thought than in perhaps wise into reasoning out how Kirada - the Sultai's jungle-born PR woman - is UG, or how Gvar Barzeel's talking about endurance more than morality paints him as GB.
Also, is it too much to wish for a Legendary Equipment of The Rememberance?
Regarding Feather, though, I thought that she was Aurelia? Granted, First Ravnica-era Feather would be a different card, but at that point, we've opened the door to Eldrazi-Binding-era Sorin, Agents Of Artifice-era Tezzeret, Origins-style flipcreatures for every non-Origins Walker.
Feather took over after Razia's death, but apparently did a pretty poor job of running things and was usurped by Aurelia. It's covered in the UR Krenko, Mob Boss.
Feather took over after Razia's death, but apparently did a pretty poor job of running things and was usurped by Aurelia. It's covered in the UR Krenko, Mob Boss.
She didn't do a poor job, she was ousted by Aurelia because Aurelia believed a formerly disgraced angel had no business being the guild leader.
Correction: We don't know what kind of job she did one way or another.
The assorted side characters from Tarkir need some love. I'd especially like card for Taigam (UB), but all of them sound fascinating - I've put a lot more thought than in perhaps wise into reasoning out how Kirada - the Sultai's jungle-born PR woman - is UG, or how Gvar Barzeel's talking about endurance more than morality paints him as GB.
On consideration, I'm excluding pre-revisionist characters that don't reappear later. I want characters that may actually appear at some point.
Also, while Taigam is a good one, Kirada and Gvar Barzeel seem like one-off characters.
Feather took over after Razia's death, but apparently did a pretty poor job of running things and was usurped by Aurelia. It's covered in the UR Krenko, Mob Boss.
She didn't do a poor job, she was ousted by Aurelia because Aurelia believed a formerly disgraced angel had no business being the guild leader.
Correction: We don't know what kind of job she did one way or another.
I'd argue that allowing the Boros to reach the point that there was virtual civil war in the ranks and allowing herself to be restrained inside a detention sphere is a fairly strong indication that a guild leader is doing a pretty poor job, especially of the 'leading' bit
I'd argue that allowing the Boros to reach the point that there was virtual civil war in the ranks and allowing herself to be restrained inside a detention sphere is a fairly strong indication that a guild leader is doing a pretty poor job, especially of the 'leading' bit
Also, while Taigam is a good one, Kirada and Gvar Barzeel seem like one-off characters.
Hey, if Saffi Eriksdotter gets her own card...
More seriously, I see your point, but to me, a lot of the most compelling Magic lore is the stuff which appeared in the Planeswalker's Guides but never quite made it to the cards. Don't get me wrong, I'm also sad that we never got a UR (that is, an OMF?) featuring the gambler sorceress with an army of trained babboons. Barzeel totally shows up in two stories, though, which technically puts him on even footing with most Khans.
There were a lot of characters scattered across the Weatherlight saga who seemed like odd picks to not get their own Legends. Xantcha is mentioned above*, but also there's Ratepe (R), Gatha (UR), Kreig (R), Thaddeus and Agnate (U), Sidar Kondo (GW), Ramos (X), the list goes on.
* As a Planeswalker? I know her heart is powering Karn, but surely his spark comes from Urza's eyes. Or from Serra's Realm, maybe? And even failing both of those things, Xantcha would still only be a potential Planeswalker who never ignited, yes? I certainly don't recall her jumping planes under her own power, let alone becoming a godlike energy being, and I didn't see anything when I double-checked the wiki. Am I missing something?
There were a lot of characters scattered across the Weatherlight saga who seemed like odd picks to not get their own Legends. Xantcha is mentioned above*, but also there's Ratepe (R), Gatha (UR), Kreig (R), Thaddeus and Agnate (U), Sidar Kondo (GW), Ramos (X), the list goes on.
* As a Planeswalker? I know her heart is powering Karn, but surely his spark comes from Urza's eyes. Or from Serra's Realm, maybe? And even failing both of those things, Xantcha would still only be a potential Planeswalker who never ignited, yes? I certainly don't recall her jumping planes under her own power, let alone becoming a godlike energy being, and I didn't see anything when I double-checked the wiki. Am I missing something?
Saffi was kind of a cute joke, like Norrin the Wary.
I considered Ratepe, but he doesn't really do anything. I want to keep from overloading this list too much.
As for Karn the planeswalker, I'm reading through the story, but from what I gather because the Powerstones had both Glacian and Urza's essence, that's what allowed Karn to ascend. Glacian supposedly had an unignited spark, while Urza's was obviously ignited.
I think I'd put Urza down as WUBR. He does seem to be quite driven by his emotions at times as well as other factors, what with one one of his motivations against the phyrexians being revenge. As well, Urza is meant to be the greatest artificer the multiverse has ever known, and R along with U and W cares about, and interacts with, artifacts the most. Along with these, it would add to the grand scale of Urza as a planeswalker card. Oldwalkers are meant to have been godlike beings with vast arrays of mana and abilities at their disposal, and Urza is known by many to perhaps have been the greatest of these. Having Urza as a 4 color planeswalker would not only make sense as to his character, flavor and mechanics, but also to the prestige that he is meant to carry.
Plus, G seems to be the only color that isn't apart of his personality and the only thing, as far as colors go, that he completely doesn't care for. Urza would disrupt the natural order in a heartbeat(and did, a lot) to achieve his goals.
Inversely, Windgrace was everything but U (I would argue Abzan if not for his R cards).
Taysir from the Rabiah/Arabian Nights expansion and could be the first WUBRG walker.
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I would argue that Urza is mostly Blue-Red. He may have gotten some White later in life, but certainly not in the Brother's War era.
Serra specifically mentions he had W in his nature, though.
That is, in fact, later in life than the Brother's War.
I'm also not sure I take it literally. I read it as like Kirk saying that Spock is the most Human person he knows - it's not a big revelation that Spock is full human and everyone else is a Vulcan hybrid, it's a person showing respect by referring to a trait they value. Serra likes White Mana, she thinks that Urza is not a terrible guy despite his problems (she has a soft spot for Blue-aligned guys, I guess), so she says he has a White nature. Need it be bigger than that?
Here's one which just occurred to me: the entire named crew of the Weatherlight get cards... but as in the lore, Takara just gets left behind. Sure, she didn't get to do much in Invasion, but Mirri and Rofelos died a lot earlier in the plot. Takara could have gotten her WR on.
Taysir would be WUBRG. To have five separate versions of him he would have to be five legendary creatures that were each mono-colored. He only reached ascension as a planeswalker when all five of himself reunited and became one. That is literally his origin as a planeswalker.
Urza would be WUBR. This is the pinnacle of who he was as a planeswalker. Also I am already am up to my ears in mono U walkers that have printed in a single decade.
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Obligatory werewolf mention: when we were last at Innistrad, the names Skaharra, Tovolos/Tovolar and Ulrich were all dropped, each the respective leader of his/her pack. Assuming the effects of the Cursemute weren't altered, I'd assume they're all Wolfir now. They're not exactly major characters but they're worth noting with Shadows Over Innistrad on the horizon.
Obligatory werewolf mention: when we were last at Innistrad, the names Skaharra, Tovolos/Tovolar and Ulrich were all dropped, each the respective leader of his/her pack. Assuming the effects of the Cursemute weren't altered, I'd assume they're all Wolfir now. They're not exactly major characters but they're worth noting with Shadows Over Innistrad on the horizon.
The Cursemute wasn't compulsory, it was voluntary. It only worked on werewolves who wanted to be cured. Meaning that all the werewolves we saw back in the original Innistrad block who liked being werewolves are still werewolves.
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Haddad from Odyssey could have been a card. The guy was apprently a field tech for the Jamuraan army. So I'd say maybe UW, or just W.
Weatherlight & Rath: Davvol, Croag, Kr'll'k - All of them Mono-B, really.
Obligatory werewolf mention: when we were last at Innistrad, the names Skaharra, Tovolos/Tovolar and Ulrich were all dropped, each the respective leader of his/her pack. Assuming the effects of the Cursemute weren't altered, I'd assume they're all Wolfir now. They're not exactly major characters but they're worth noting with Shadows Over Innistrad on the horizon.
The Cursemute wasn't compulsory, it was voluntary. It only worked on werewolves who wanted to be cured. Meaning that all the werewolves we saw back in the original Innistrad block who liked being werewolves are still werewolves.
Huh, I had the impression it was a "become a Wolfir or die" situation, but it's been a long time I've brushed up on AVR lore. Thanks for the catch.
Please note, this is NOT the place for custom card creation. Characters who are represented on cards but don't have their own legend or planeswalker card count as not having a card for the purpose of this thread.
Edit: Add that I'm excluding pre-revisionist characters (anyone created before the Artifacts Cycle that didn't appear afterward) just for how unlikely it is that they'll reappear. Preferably, they're characters who are either majorly important to the story, or have been named on a card (or appear in card art).
Artifacts Cycle
The Thran
Planeswalker
Time Streams
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I think Tawnos is pure .
I'd love to have seen Kaya with a card, most likely in .
Tocasia, also, as either straight or . Mechanically I think Tocasia would be interesting, but mostly because of how much of Urza's pre-spark character was shaped by her influence and training. I'd argue that Urza's white comes from growing up under her tutelage. Urza was always closer to her, where Mishra was closer to the desert people (and I think that's where a lot of his red comes from).
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Plus, G seems to be the only color that isn't apart of his personality and the only thing, as far as colors go, that he completely doesn't care for. Urza would disrupt the natural order in a heartbeat(and did, a lot) to achieve his goals.
-Chandra Nalaar
A few other characters lacking cards:
Odyssey's Turg always struck me as a glaring omission. Since his whole deal is the balance between control and savagery and his powers are invisibility and lightning, he's gotta be UR.
People talk about a Planeswalker card for Serra (W) - I'd also like to see one for Feroz (B). Though I suppose that once you open that door, there's a lot of Pre-Mending 'Walkers to be discussed. If we only get one, I vote Ravidel(?), just to finally nail down that guy's color identity.
Roreca (G). I'll admit that I only know she even exists thanks to Multiverser In Review, but I now see it as a tragedy that we made it through Time Spiral without getting a representation of Magic's original jarringly-excluded character. What the heck is Roreca?
Mother Luti (R). I may not like Chandra, but I think Luti is a fantastic portrayal of a red-aligned authority figure, always encouraging her people to follow their hearts and getting a bit reckless herself at times. A cool lady - I'd have loved to get her instead of the Abbot.
Continuing on the Chandra kick, Captain Baral (U). He's a chilling (heh) villain we're bound to see eventually, and I cannot wait.
The assorted side characters from Tarkir need some love. I'd especially like card for Taigam (UB), but all of them sound fascinating - I've put a lot more thought than in perhaps wise into reasoning out how Kirada - the Sultai's jungle-born PR woman - is UG, or how Gvar Barzeel's talking about endurance more than morality paints him as GB.
Also, is it too much to wish for a Legendary Equipment of The Rememberance?
Regarding Feather, though, I thought that she was Aurelia? Granted, First Ravnica-era Feather would be a different card, but at that point, we've opened the door to Eldrazi-Binding-era Sorin, Agents Of Artifice-era Tezzeret, Origins-style flipcreatures for every non-Origins Walker.
She didn't do a poor job, she was ousted by Aurelia because Aurelia believed a formerly disgraced angel had no business being the guild leader.Correction: We don't know what kind of job she did one way or another.
On consideration, I'm excluding pre-revisionist characters that don't reappear later. I want characters that may actually appear at some point.
Also, while Taigam is a good one, Kirada and Gvar Barzeel seem like one-off characters.
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I'd argue that allowing the Boros to reach the point that there was virtual civil war in the ranks and allowing herself to be restrained inside a detention sphere is a fairly strong indication that a guild leader is doing a pretty poor job, especially of the 'leading' bit
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Szat
Parcher
Lord Windgrace
Guff
Bo-Levar
Bloodlines:
Kreig
Gatha
More seriously, I see your point, but to me, a lot of the most compelling Magic lore is the stuff which appeared in the Planeswalker's Guides but never quite made it to the cards. Don't get me wrong, I'm also sad that we never got a UR (that is, an OMF?) featuring the gambler sorceress with an army of trained babboons. Barzeel totally shows up in two stories, though, which technically puts him on even footing with most Khans.
There were a lot of characters scattered across the Weatherlight saga who seemed like odd picks to not get their own Legends. Xantcha is mentioned above*, but also there's Ratepe (R), Gatha (UR), Kreig (R), Thaddeus and Agnate (U), Sidar Kondo (GW), Ramos (X), the list goes on.
* As a Planeswalker? I know her heart is powering Karn, but surely his spark comes from Urza's eyes. Or from Serra's Realm, maybe? And even failing both of those things, Xantcha would still only be a potential Planeswalker who never ignited, yes? I certainly don't recall her jumping planes under her own power, let alone becoming a godlike energy being, and I didn't see anything when I double-checked the wiki. Am I missing something?
I considered Ratepe, but he doesn't really do anything. I want to keep from overloading this list too much.
As for Karn the planeswalker, I'm reading through the story, but from what I gather because the Powerstones had both Glacian and Urza's essence, that's what allowed Karn to ascend. Glacian supposedly had an unignited spark, while Urza's was obviously ignited.
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Inversely, Windgrace was everything but U (I would argue Abzan if not for his R cards).
Serra specifically mentions he had W in his nature, though.
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Or the first to have 5 monocolor versions, one in each color
I'm also not sure I take it literally. I read it as like Kirk saying that Spock is the most Human person he knows - it's not a big revelation that Spock is full human and everyone else is a Vulcan hybrid, it's a person showing respect by referring to a trait they value. Serra likes White Mana, she thinks that Urza is not a terrible guy despite his problems (she has a soft spot for Blue-aligned guys, I guess), so she says he has a White nature. Need it be bigger than that?
Here's one which just occurred to me: the entire named crew of the Weatherlight get cards... but as in the lore, Takara just gets left behind. Sure, she didn't get to do much in Invasion, but Mirri and Rofelos died a lot earlier in the plot. Takara could have gotten her WR on.
Urza would be WUBR. This is the pinnacle of who he was as a planeswalker. Also I am already am up to my ears in mono U walkers that have printed in a single decade.
Commander: Hazezon Tamar (GRW), Arjun, the Shifting Flame (UR), [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Tiny Leader: [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Peasant Dragon: [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Modern: Orzhova Spirits (WB)
Legacy: Burn (R)
Vintage: Bazaar Dredge (B)
Sad but true. He would have to be as good as or better than Emrakul, the Aeons Torn if it were during the Urza era.
Commander: Hazezon Tamar (GRW), Arjun, the Shifting Flame (UR), [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Tiny Leader: [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Peasant Dragon: [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Modern: Orzhova Spirits (WB)
Legacy: Burn (R)
Vintage: Bazaar Dredge (B)
The Cursemute wasn't compulsory, it was voluntary. It only worked on werewolves who wanted to be cured. Meaning that all the werewolves we saw back in the original Innistrad block who liked being werewolves are still werewolves.
-Chandra Nalaar
Weatherlight & Rath: Davvol, Croag, Kr'll'k - All of them Mono-B, really.
Huh, I had the impression it was a "become a Wolfir or die" situation, but it's been a long time I've brushed up on AVR lore. Thanks for the catch.