So I was thinking, with the whole Fate Reforged time travel thing, if it could be put to better use.
What I mean is, we see successful movies that have A LOAD of history use time travel recently to re-energize their brands, but also fix a whole lot of mistakes in their past. I'm of course talking about Star Trek and The X-men franchises. I can't help think that Ugin was so mysterious and the fan reacted to his lore so well, that Wizards sorta had to bring him back from the dead somehow and was put into a similar spot.
Anyway, with that said, What would you use time travel in the MTG storyline to visit, explain, or fix?
These are some of my suggestions:
1: The Elder Dragon War.
- Send someone back in time to see what really happened for whatever creative reason you can think of and Wizards can then properly build that legendary war and flesh out the legendary characters that we see people question about all the time and make it a relevant piece of magic history that everyone gets! Then maybe even have an effect on the outcome of the war, setting all sorts of ripple effects down the timeline or use it to have what was changed in the war to actually creating our current understanding of the outcome of the war. Maybe we will know who survived and who didn't. Maybe we can keep some elders around, and get rid of the elder wurms and maybe we can finally understand if Piru is an elder or not!!
2. Have a way to revisit sets that were perceived to be poor with the hindsight ideas and feedback from the fans. Think Kamigawa, prophecy and scourge.
3. Use it to restore Dominaria...or a what if scenario if the phyrexians won. Now that we have a much larger universe with so many characters and places, we could do an ala avengers sorta thing against that ancient evil.
4. Bolas' battle with the leviathan. See what happened and what the leviathan was.
5. Was Larik Mage an eldrazi. The very first Eldrazi encounter in MTG history.
As a friendly reminder, Storyline is not the place for "What-ifs" and fanfiction. I'm not locking the thread, but if it veers into fanfic territory I will. Also, remember that baseless speculation is explicitly forbidden by the Storyline Subforum rules.
I don't necessarily believe that the relocation of the thread is correct, respectfully of course.
Time travel spanning periods of thousands of years of MTG story is now a very canon plot device directly impacting the very lore of the MTG storyline. In this case, it was used to correct the mistake of Ugin being dead.
That implies that this plot device can now be used for the same purpose anywhere else in the MTG storyline and timeline as wizards sees fit.
MTG has had its full share of mistakes and stories that are vague, contradictory, and confusing.
While I understand the move with regards to my comments to the Elder war and the invasion, they were made not to illustrate whatif or fanfic for those particular events, but moreso, they were more to illustrate reasoning for using this plot device to generate the discussion about the use of time travel to correct the issues of vagueness, contradiction and confusion that have plagued MTG storyline for years. The number of threads (on this site alone) regarding the elder war is proof of that very concept.
So the original intent of the thread isn't a matter of what-if speculation type of discussion, but moreso, the exact use by WotC in the very manner that I'm describing to correct continuity problems within the current storyline itself shows the validity of the question to the current storyline outside of the realm of speculation as the suggestions above are legitimate problems regarding vagueness, (The elder war, bolas' battle with the leviathan), contradictions (The argument of the Elder status), and confusion (The image in the ice from dark depths being an eldrazi)
Time travel spanning periods of thousands of years of MTG story is now a very canon plot device directly impacting the very lore of the MTG storyline. In this case, it was used to correct the mistake of Ugin being dead.
But Ugin was dead to make the timetravel story possible. They didn't make the time travel story, because Ugin was dead. It was not a mistake that needed to be corrected. It was the hook and the starting point for the entire arc.
Time travel spanning periods of thousands of years of MTG story is now a very canon plot device directly impacting the very lore of the MTG storyline. In this case, it was used to correct the mistake of Ugin being dead.
That implies that this plot device can now be used for the same purpose anywhere else in the MTG storyline and timeline as wizards sees fit.
MTG has had its full share of mistakes and stories that are vague, contradictory, and confusing.
While I understand the move with regards to my comments to the Elder war and the invasion, they were made not to illustrate whatif or fanfic for those particular events, but moreso, they were more to illustrate reasoning for using this plot device to generate the discussion about the use of time travel to correct the issues of vagueness, contradiction and confusion that have plagued MTG storyline for years. The number of threads (on this site alone) regarding the elder war is proof of that very concept.
So the original intent of the thread isn't a matter of what-if speculation type of discussion, but moreso, the exact use by WotC in the very manner that I'm describing to correct continuity problems within the current storyline itself shows the validity of the question to the current storyline outside of the realm of speculation as the suggestions above are legitimate problems regarding vagueness, (The elder war, bolas' battle with the leviathan), contradictions (The argument of the Elder status), and confusion (The image in the ice from dark depths being an eldrazi)
Your reconsideration is appreciated.
It will be a long shot if this current Creative will ever do something so powerful as Time Travel to salvage and "mend" some of the pre-Mending storylines. (The repercussions of the Tarkir one is already murky at best).
Time and time they have proven that they would rather not dip their whole arm to anything Pre-Mending and would just salvage what they can use for gimmick/excitement.
Why go to all the trouble when you can just use the Time Travel powers for the post-Mending continuity that is unstable as heck?
What I mean is, we see successful movies that have A LOAD of history use time travel recently to re-energize their brands, but also fix a whole lot of mistakes in their past. I'm of course talking about Star Trek and The X-men franchises. I can't help think that Ugin was so mysterious and the fan reacted to his lore so well, that Wizards sorta had to bring him back from the dead somehow and was put into a similar spot.
Anyway, with that said, What would you use time travel in the MTG storyline to visit, explain, or fix?
These are some of my suggestions:
1: The Elder Dragon War.
- Send someone back in time to see what really happened for whatever creative reason you can think of and Wizards can then properly build that legendary war and flesh out the legendary characters that we see people question about all the time and make it a relevant piece of magic history that everyone gets! Then maybe even have an effect on the outcome of the war, setting all sorts of ripple effects down the timeline or use it to have what was changed in the war to actually creating our current understanding of the outcome of the war. Maybe we will know who survived and who didn't. Maybe we can keep some elders around, and get rid of the elder wurms and maybe we can finally understand if Piru is an elder or not!!
2. Have a way to revisit sets that were perceived to be poor with the hindsight ideas and feedback from the fans. Think Kamigawa, prophecy and scourge.
3. Use it to restore Dominaria...or a what if scenario if the phyrexians won. Now that we have a much larger universe with so many characters and places, we could do an ala avengers sorta thing against that ancient evil.
4. Bolas' battle with the leviathan. See what happened and what the leviathan was.
5. Was Larik Mage an eldrazi. The very first Eldrazi encounter in MTG history.
As a friendly reminder, Storyline is not the place for "What-ifs" and fanfiction. I'm not locking the thread, but if it veers into fanfic territory I will. Also, remember that baseless speculation is explicitly forbidden by the Storyline Subforum rules.
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Time travel spanning periods of thousands of years of MTG story is now a very canon plot device directly impacting the very lore of the MTG storyline. In this case, it was used to correct the mistake of Ugin being dead.
That implies that this plot device can now be used for the same purpose anywhere else in the MTG storyline and timeline as wizards sees fit.
MTG has had its full share of mistakes and stories that are vague, contradictory, and confusing.
While I understand the move with regards to my comments to the Elder war and the invasion, they were made not to illustrate whatif or fanfic for those particular events, but moreso, they were more to illustrate reasoning for using this plot device to generate the discussion about the use of time travel to correct the issues of vagueness, contradiction and confusion that have plagued MTG storyline for years. The number of threads (on this site alone) regarding the elder war is proof of that very concept.
So the original intent of the thread isn't a matter of what-if speculation type of discussion, but moreso, the exact use by WotC in the very manner that I'm describing to correct continuity problems within the current storyline itself shows the validity of the question to the current storyline outside of the realm of speculation as the suggestions above are legitimate problems regarding vagueness, (The elder war, bolas' battle with the leviathan), contradictions (The argument of the Elder status), and confusion (The image in the ice from dark depths being an eldrazi)
Your reconsideration is appreciated.
But Ugin was dead to make the timetravel story possible. They didn't make the time travel story, because Ugin was dead. It was not a mistake that needed to be corrected. It was the hook and the starting point for the entire arc.
Oh my god, I sincerely hope not!
It will be a long shot if this current Creative will ever do something so powerful as Time Travel to salvage and "mend" some of the pre-Mending storylines. (The repercussions of the Tarkir one is already murky at best).
Time and time they have proven that they would rather not dip their whole arm to anything Pre-Mending and would just salvage what they can use for gimmick/excitement.
Why go to all the trouble when you can just use the Time Travel powers for the post-Mending continuity that is unstable as heck?
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