Hey, something I just noticed: Gideon's adult head Icon shown in the Pic representing him as a kid features the same art as his alara representation. With that in mind, does the full art of Lilliana's transformed self feature any identifiable landscape particular to any plane? It may give us a hint as to what her first planejump sent her to.
The castle in the background has flying buttresses usually associated with Gothic architecture, so I'm guessing Innistrad.
So far its
Nissa - Zendikar
Gidean - Theros and Bant (Alara)
Jace -
Liliana -
Chandra - new unknown plane
Now I could of sworn that nissa went to Lorwyn as her first walk. It would be a good pick. I would be very surprised if Kamigawa isnt in this somewhere.
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So far its
Nissa - Zendikar
Gidean - Theros and Bant (Alara)
Jace -
Liliana -
Chandra - new unknown plane
Now I could of sworn that nissa went to Lorwyn as her first walk. It would be a good pick. I would be very surprised if Kamigawa isnt in this somewhere.
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We are well aware of what so far has been officially revealed. What we are weighing are the possibilities of those 'unknowns', those potential planes we may visit in Origins. I do agree that Lorwyn has some potential as being Nissa's first jump.
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It would be pretty cool if Jace's homeworld is Dominaria and has some connection to Urza and the mending, thus why he doesn't have a memory.
Well, besides of being partially responsible for a couple of rifts, Urza had nothing to do with the Mending. And the Mending itself took place roughly 100 years ago. I don't see how Jace could hae anything to do with either of those.
I know all that, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a connection. Keep in mind that during the invasion there was a lot of time rifts that Jace or anyone could have fallen through.
I'd say it's a bit big of a stretch to make that assumption with any confidence. That aside, it's too cheesy to link Jace with Urza in any meaningful way.
Very possible I'm wrong, but I thought it was mentioned that Nissa's first walk was to Ravnica? I know she visited there (and hated it of course).
And doesn't Jace have some connection to Iquanta? (I think that was supposed to be were he lost his memory). It might not have been his home or his first walk, but I thought it was important.
Thats why it's speculation lol I could be wrong, but it would be fun to have one of "neowalkers" be from Dominaria. And Jace seems the most logical choice
Im still wondering how Nissa spent time with the gilt leaf. She has no horns and would have been considered an eye-blight. They hunt those, so either she spent time with other exiles which should have taught her never to xenophobic (which didn't happen) or they forgot a requirement to live with the gilt-leaf is to be an elf with full horn.
Lorwyn actually supports glamer spells very easily. At least it did when Oona was still in power, because she basically used all the glamers to disguise Glen Elendra, catalyze the change from Lorwyn to Shadowmoor etc. Lorwyn was basically full with background radiation of glamer spells.
Im still wondering how Nissa spent time with the gilt leaf. She has no horns and would have been considered an eye-blight. They hunt those, so either she spent time with other exiles which should have taught her never to xenophobic (which didn't happen) or they forgot a requirement to live with the gilt-leaf is to be an elf with full horn.
Lorwyn actually supports glamer spells very easily. At least it did when Oona was still in power, because she basically used all the glamers to disguise Glen Elendra, catalyze the change from Lorwyn to Shadowmoor etc. Lorwyn was basically full with background radiation of glamer spells.
Yeah but Zendikar doesn't, so where did she learn that glamour magic? Not to mention what about poor Rhys? Who was forced to run and hide? I don't think a high background radiation of a type of magic would affect the physiology of a walker much. Venser and elspeth traveled to mirrodin but did not grow metal out of their bodies.
Yeah, but Mirrodin is not Lorwyn.
Plus, it's not that Nissa had to pop into a gilt-leaf party on her first planeswalk to Lorwyn going "yo wassup". She may have picked up the glamer spells before she met with the elves, or before she decided to mingle with them.
As for Rhys, no idea. In the book they concealed even Brigid as an elf, so I chalk that up as a plothole.
Thats why it's speculation lol I could be wrong, but it would be fun to have one of "neowalkers" be from Dominaria. And Jace seems the most logical choice
...no, that makes it baseless speculation, which is specifically called out as against the rules in Storyline.
Im still wondering how Nissa spent time with the gilt leaf. She has no horns and would have been considered an eye-blight. They hunt those, so either she spent time with other exiles which should have taught her never to xenophobic (which didn't happen) or they forgot a requirement to live with the gilt-leaf is to be an elf with full horn.
Lorwyn actually supports glamer spells very easily. At least it did when Oona was still in power, because she basically used all the glamers to disguise Glen Elendra, catalyze the change from Lorwyn to Shadowmoor etc. Lorwyn was basically full with background radiation of glamer spells.
Yeah but Zendikar doesn't, so where did she learn that glamour magic? Not to mention what about poor Rhys? Who was forced to run and hide? I don't think a high background radiation of a type of magic would affect the physiology of a walker much. Venser and elspeth traveled to mirrodin but did not grow metal out of their bodies.
Yeah, but Mirrodin is not Lorwyn.
Plus, it's not that Nissa had to pop into a gilt-leaf party on her first planeswalk to Lorwyn going "yo wassup". She may have picked up the glamer spells before she met with the elves, or before she decided to mingle with them.
As for Rhys, no idea. In the book they concealed even Brigid as an elf, so I chalk that up as a plothole.
Weren't a lot of the rulers of the elves also "disfigured" and had glamours to hid this to stay in power?
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Thats why it's speculation lol I could be wrong, but it would be fun to have one of "neowalkers" be from Dominaria. And Jace seems the most logical choice
...no, that makes it baseless speculation, which is specifically called out as against the rules in Storyline.
noted, and wasn't trying to go that far, just throwing it out there. He could still be from Dominaria though. And by connection, I didn't mean that he actually fought side by side with Urza, but maybe a relative did, or part of the experimenting Urza did with bloodlines (which would unlike end with Gerrad as branches going off in different directions from prior generations).
I really admire the idea of Nissa's first Planeswalk being to Lorwyn and Lilliana's pact being with an Oni from Kamigawa, or Kamigawa featured as one of the ten planes here by any alternate method. I know Jace won't be such a method since he didn't see Kamigawa until much later after becoming a PW in Agents of Artifice. But Lilliana could work.
For Jace, I do hope his first Planeswalk is to Iquatana. Unique world but not one that could ideally host an entire block to itself so it would be perfect here. Jace's Phantasm comes to mind alongside illusion magic where he may have encountered there. Part of me is also hoping we will see Pyrulea.
Personally I think it's fairly likely that Liliana's first planeswalk plane will be one of the planes with her pact-demons. If it's not one that has one of the surviving demons yet, it might be Kothophed's homeplane, considering this would be the only place for him to get a card, barring supplemental products.
Having her first planeswalk plane be one without her demons seems like a waste to me.
I also agree with Iquatana being a perfect fit for this set's structure. This is one of the very few opportunities where WotC can focus on planes that cannot support their own block, or even just a supplemental set like conspiracy.
Y'know maybe Lili visited Ulgrotha, as her art features a Gothic looking castle. The fortress could easily belong in Innistrad too but for some reason I like the idea of visiting the Dark Barony and see what the Sengirs are up to. (Although any revelation wouldn't be too recent since Lili is lots older than most planesalkers we know of so far.)
I would almost bet all all my stash that Nissa visits Lorwyn,Ravnica, or Mirroden as her first jump.
Jace....no Idea.
I just hope that more walkers we've heard of before but only once will one day appear again. (Masrath, Tessebik I'm looking @ you)
But back to ten worlds, I'm sure between all of us we probably have a lot of the worlds in Origins speculated correctly.
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Gideon: Theros - Bant/Alara
Jace: Iquatana? - Ravnica?
Liliana: Dominaria? - Innistrad or Shandalar?
Chandra: Unknown World - Regatha?
Nissa: Zendikar - Lorwyn or Mirrodin?
Reasoning:
Gideon: Practically confirmed.
Jace: Jace's Phantasm, RTR Storyline.
Liliana: A woman named "Lady Ana" tried to help Liliana in curing her brother Josu in his youth. Ana is also the name of the UBG wedge, the wedge most associated with necromancy, that was used in Apocalypse, set on Dominaria. Innistrad or Shandalar: Griselbrand, Veil.
Chandra: Confirmed to be from an unknown world, has spent a ton of time on Regatha.
Nissa: Confirmed from Zendikar, known to have traveled to Lorwyn, Mirrodin, and Ravnica, but Ravnica is probably Jace's first 'walk.
The flavortext on Jace's Phantasm makes me think that Iquatana might be the first place he planeswalked to, rather than his home. Impossible to tell, really, but the implication to me is that the Iquati are strangers to him. I also thought I read somewhere that Jace didn't go to Ravnica until after his falling out with his original mentor, and the impetus for that fight was that his mentor had kept from him the knowledge of his first planeswalk.
Okay, I am going off on a limb here... We know Gideon is from Theros. We know his teacher's teacher was a planeswalker. In the Purifying fire, we find out that the leader of the Heliud's teachers was also a planeswalker. We also know that the Heliud is on multiple planes, because the Heliud killed chandra's parents and her town, as well as Heliod's name. Thus, the heliud must have been spread across worlds by a planes walker. Next: the heliud is based on heiromancy, or holy justice. HOLY. you know who was holy? Heliod. I think Heliod was a theros born planeswalker, who spread the heliud across planes as well as named it after him, and he underwent a similar process as Xenagos to become a god. If enough people believe in you, you will become a god. He had so much influence throughout the multiverse, that when he returned to theros, he became a god.
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Okay, I am going off on a limb here... We know Gideon is from Theros. We know his teacher's teacher was a planeswalker. In the Purifying fire, we find out that the leader of the Heliud's teachers was also a planeswalker. We also know that the Heliud is on multiple planes, because the Heliud killed chandra's parents and her town, as well as Heliod's name. Thus, the heliud must have been spread across worlds by a planes walker. Next: the heliud is based on heiromancy, or holy justice. HOLY. you know who was holy? Heliod. I think Heliod was a theros born planeswalker, who spread the heliud across planes as well as named it after him, and he underwent a similar process as Xenagos to become a god. If enough people believe in you, you will become a god. He had so much influence throughout the multiverse, that when he returned to theros, he became a god.
*puts on tinfoil hat*
There's also a statue of Heliod in the background of the scene with Gideon and his teacher in the Duels game, so maybe the hieromancy Gideon is learning really is Heliod's magic. Heliod also has fire powers and hates planeswalkers, and the Order of Heliud uses the Purifying Fire that can remove a planeswalker's spark. And Gideon's teacher's mentor was a planeswalker killed by fire... Too many coincidences...
*removes tinfoil hat*
However, Heliod killed Elspeth because she has seen things he couldn't fathom, so it's unlikely he is a planeswalker too.
*puts on tinfoil hat*
Though, now that I think of it, I don't remember where Heliod learned about Elspeth and Xenagos being planeswalkers... Was it mentioned in the novels?
The Heliud DOES hate fire, but they have been known to use it in special cases...
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Nissa - Zendikar
Gidean - Theros and Bant (Alara)
Jace -
Liliana -
Chandra - new unknown plane
Now I could of sworn that nissa went to Lorwyn as her first walk. It would be a good pick. I would be very surprised if Kamigawa isnt in this somewhere.
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We are well aware of what so far has been officially revealed. What we are weighing are the possibilities of those 'unknowns', those potential planes we may visit in Origins. I do agree that Lorwyn has some potential as being Nissa's first jump.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
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Well, besides of being partially responsible for a couple of rifts, Urza had nothing to do with the Mending. And the Mending itself took place roughly 100 years ago. I don't see how Jace could hae anything to do with either of those.
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And doesn't Jace have some connection to Iquanta? (I think that was supposed to be were he lost his memory). It might not have been his home or his first walk, but I thought it was important.
Lorwyn actually supports glamer spells very easily. At least it did when Oona was still in power, because she basically used all the glamers to disguise Glen Elendra, catalyze the change from Lorwyn to Shadowmoor etc. Lorwyn was basically full with background radiation of glamer spells.
Yeah, but Mirrodin is not Lorwyn.
Plus, it's not that Nissa had to pop into a gilt-leaf party on her first planeswalk to Lorwyn going "yo wassup". She may have picked up the glamer spells before she met with the elves, or before she decided to mingle with them.
As for Rhys, no idea. In the book they concealed even Brigid as an elf, so I chalk that up as a plothole.
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Weren't a lot of the rulers of the elves also "disfigured" and had glamours to hid this to stay in power?
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Not sure if there were "a lot", but yes some did it. Nath for instance. (Although he was not so much disfigured as just old.)
noted, and wasn't trying to go that far, just throwing it out there. He could still be from Dominaria though. And by connection, I didn't mean that he actually fought side by side with Urza, but maybe a relative did, or part of the experimenting Urza did with bloodlines (which would unlike end with Gerrad as branches going off in different directions from prior generations).
For Jace, I do hope his first Planeswalk is to Iquatana. Unique world but not one that could ideally host an entire block to itself so it would be perfect here. Jace's Phantasm comes to mind alongside illusion magic where he may have encountered there. Part of me is also hoping we will see Pyrulea.
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Having her first planeswalk plane be one without her demons seems like a waste to me.
I also agree with Iquatana being a perfect fit for this set's structure. This is one of the very few opportunities where WotC can focus on planes that cannot support their own block, or even just a supplemental set like conspiracy.
I would almost bet all all my stash that Nissa visits Lorwyn,Ravnica, or Mirroden as her first jump.
Jace....no Idea.
I just hope that more walkers we've heard of before but only once will one day appear again. (Masrath, Tessebik I'm looking @ you)
But back to ten worlds, I'm sure between all of us we probably have a lot of the worlds in Origins speculated correctly.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
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Jace: Iquatana? - Ravnica?
Liliana: Dominaria? - Innistrad or Shandalar?
Chandra: Unknown World - Regatha?
Nissa: Zendikar - Lorwyn or Mirrodin?
Reasoning:
Gideon: Practically confirmed.
Jace: Jace's Phantasm, RTR Storyline.
Liliana: A woman named "Lady Ana" tried to help Liliana in curing her brother Josu in his youth. Ana is also the name of the UBG wedge, the wedge most associated with necromancy, that was used in Apocalypse, set on Dominaria. Innistrad or Shandalar: Griselbrand, Veil.
Chandra: Confirmed to be from an unknown world, has spent a ton of time on Regatha.
Nissa: Confirmed from Zendikar, known to have traveled to Lorwyn, Mirrodin, and Ravnica, but Ravnica is probably Jace's first 'walk.
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The set will be released in two months from now, so we'll need to wait a long time for something more than small bits of information.
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There's also a statue of Heliod in the background of the scene with Gideon and his teacher in the Duels game, so maybe the hieromancy Gideon is learning really is Heliod's magic. Heliod also has fire powers and hates planeswalkers, and the Order of Heliud uses the Purifying Fire that can remove a planeswalker's spark. And Gideon's teacher's mentor was a planeswalker killed by fire... Too many coincidences...
*removes tinfoil hat*
However, Heliod killed Elspeth because she has seen things he couldn't fathom, so it's unlikely he is a planeswalker too.
*puts on tinfoil hat*
Though, now that I think of it, I don't remember where Heliod learned about Elspeth and Xenagos being planeswalkers... Was it mentioned in the novels?
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