Currently, the only major character in the story who is portrayed as a three-colored card is Nicol Bolas, who is black/blue/red, which, to me, is the color combination of "classic villainy." He certainly is awesome, but I wish to see a black/blue/white major character, antagonist or otherwise, since those colors are the colors of control and manipulation in this game. Perhaps such a character could be a vedalken planeswalker, since there has not yet been such a character in the game, one who displays little to no emotion, is obsessed with control and perfection, and wishes to replace everything natural with artificially-created things.
What does everyone say about that? Would you like to see a black/blue/white major character, and what would such a character be like?
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Currently, the only major character in the story who is portrayed as a three-colored card is Nicol Bolas, who is black/blue/red, which, to me, is the color combination of "classic villainy." He certainly is awesome, but I wish to see a black/blue/white major character, antagonist or otherwise, since those colors are the colors of control and manipulation in this game. Perhaps such a character could be a vedalken planeswalker, since there has not yet been such a character in the game, one who displays little to no emotion, is obsessed with control and perfection, and wishes to replace everything natural with artificially-created things.
What does everyone say about that? Would you like to see a black/blue/white major character, and what would such a character be like?
imo It would be Tezzeret, considering major characters with 3-color associations leave players/fans with expectations that they will achieve mastery over all 3, while Ajani is White, he's spread to Red/White and its expected he will take an alternate step to Green/White before becoming a Red/Green/White auramancer eventually. Back on topic, I think the same can occur with Tezzeret, though I can't predict how his personality will accommodate the addition of White, and if that would occur before, during, or after a potential flipping Nicol Bolas the bird
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imo It would be Tezzeret, considering major characters with 3-color associations leave players/fans with expectations that they will achieve mastery over all 3, while Ajani is White, he's spread to Red/White and its expected he will take an alternate step to Green/White before becoming a Red/Green/White auramancer eventually. Back on topic, I think the same can occur with Tezzeret, though I can't predict how his personality will accommodate the addition of White, and if that would occur before, during, or after a potential flipping Nicol Bolas the bird
There is very very little about Tezzeret that justifies the white drop. Not even the love of order can really justify it since the other colors would overpower those characteristics to the point you couldn't count them.
And he's been flipping Bolas the bird for more than a decade now. He isn't doing it to accommodate others, he's doing it because he hates Bolas. u/b is where Tezzeret belongs, even if he does know a smattering of white magic. It isn't enough.
imo It would be Tezzeret, considering major characters with 3-color associations leave players/fans with expectations that they will achieve mastery over all 3, while Ajani is White, he's spread to Red/White and its expected he will take an alternate step to Green/White before becoming a Red/Green/White auramancer eventually. Back on topic, I think the same can occur with Tezzeret, though I can't predict how his personality will accommodate the addition of White, and if that would occur before, during, or after a potential flipping Nicol Bolas the bird
There is very very little about Tezzeret that justifies the white drop. Not even the love of order can really justify it since the other colors would overpower those characteristics to the point you couldn't count them.
And he's been flipping Bolas the bird for more than a decade now. He isn't doing it to accommodate others, he's doing it because he hates Bolas. u/b is where Tezzeret belongs, even if he does know a smattering of white magic. It isn't enough.
The way I see it, while Nicol Bolas is (which IMO indicates he's black twice over) Tezzeret could be but ultimately, my opinion of Tezzeret's potential of being is somewhat of a prestige or epic destiny; I don't see him accomplishing it any time soon (or perhaps living that long) unlike Ajani becoming imo
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The way I see it, while Nicol Bolas is (which IMO indicates he's black twice over) Tezzeret could be but ultimately, my opinion of Tezzeret's potential of being is somewhat of a prestige or epic destiny; I don't see him accomplishing it any time soon (or perhaps living that long) unlike Ajani becoming imo
That still isn't an accurate understanding of where Tezzeret would end up.
Tezzeret, in this sort of hypothetical would fall out a bit more closely to and that basically wipes out any contribution white would make to his personality.
Other than Sydri (which, all things considered, was limited to a one-shot that may or may not be canon), no major POV character spans W/U/B. The closest thing would be Venser, because he was an arrogant, disgusting little snot in Time Spiral, but even then that's stretching a lot and would rely on "Black is mean/negative/evil", which is not the case. Instead, I'm glad he became White/Blue only, as assholish characters in W/U are welcome.
You've called him the founder of Esper a few times, but he didn't do that. He created Etherium.
Fair enough, in that one doesn't really "found" a plane (not anymore anyway). But he's responsible for is most significant cultural cornerstone and holds a place of contentious fame among the people of Esper.
imo It would be Tezzeret, considering major characters with 3-color associations leave players/fans with expectations that they will achieve mastery over all 3, while Ajani is White, he's spread to Red/White and its expected he will take an alternate step to Green/White before becoming a Red/Green/White auramancer eventually. Back on topic, I think the same can occur with Tezzeret, though I can't predict how his personality will accommodate the addition of White, and if that would occur before, during, or after a potential flipping Nicol Bolas the bird
There is very very little about Tezzeret that justifies the white drop. Not even the love of order can really justify it since the other colors would overpower those characteristics to the point you couldn't count them.
And he's been flipping Bolas the bird for more than a decade now. He isn't doing it to accommodate others, he's doing it because he hates Bolas. u/b is where Tezzeret belongs, even if he does know a smattering of white magic. It isn't enough.
There is little we know of Tezzeret that is white at this moment. Correct. However, I don't think a Tezzperet (coining it now) is off the table. He could theoretically be fundamentally abhorred by the Phyrexian's compleation of Mirrodin, leave Bolas and seek help against the Phyrexian threat (which we all KNOW is coming...in our hearts, if not our heads).
There is little we know of Tezzeret that is white at this moment. Correct. However, I don't think a Tezzperet (coining it now) is off the table. He could theoretically be fundamentally abhorred by the Phyrexian's compleation of Mirrodin, leave Bolas and seek help against the Phyrexian threat (which we all KNOW is coming...in our hearts, if not our heads).
Nope.
He thinks they are brutish and ignorant, but he admires the concept of Phyrexia. He thinks the execution could use some work though.
There is little we know of Tezzeret that is white at this moment. Correct. However, I don't think a Tezzperet (coining it now) is off the table. He could theoretically be fundamentally abhorred by the Phyrexian's compleation of Mirrodin, leave Bolas and seek help against the Phyrexian threat (which we all KNOW is coming...in our hearts, if not our heads).
Nope.
He thinks they are brutish and ignorant, but he admires the concept of Phyrexia. He thinks the execution could use some work though.
Well, I'll be sure to take your word on the future as canon. *cough* Elspeth. *cough*
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If there was to be a Esper character, I think it would have to be Jace. Even though he's been mono-blue in every card, he's shown himself to care about law and order and also be ruthless enough to get his way by manipulation and outright strong-arm tactics.
There are plenty of Esper sphinxes, but their impact on the overall storylines of Magic is minimal.
The people of Esper were intelligent, knowledgeable, rational. They understood the delicate balance between the individual and the community. Esperites lived in a stratified society surprisingly similar to Bant, although they were the opposite of a meritocracy and more of a oligarchy. Power struggles and fights over resources and information were common in Esper. They are driven by a need for power, knowledge or both, and while they may take the lion's share of this for themselves, they are not totally selfish.
There is little we know of Tezzeret that is white at this moment. Correct. However, I don't think a Tezzperet (coining it now) is off the table. He could theoretically be fundamentally abhorred by the Phyrexian's compleation of Mirrodin, leave Bolas and seek help against the Phyrexian threat (which we all KNOW is coming...in our hearts, if not our heads).
Nope.
He thinks they are brutish and ignorant, but he admires the concept of Phyrexia. He thinks the execution could use some work though.
The real question is what he thinks of them now that the Machine Orthodoxy is in charge.
I tend to disagree. Tezzeret is predominantly blue IMO. It's mostly the "bad" side of blue, the one that's cold, scheming and would do anything for control, but it is blue nonetheless.
On the other matter: I agree that there was virtually no trace of white in Tezzeret as far as his character was concerned. But he did use white mana, hence Brilliant Ultimatum and the white protective sphere spell he cast in Agents of Artifice. So I wouldn't be at all surprised if we got a WUB Tezzeret card in a future set.
In fact, I happen to have a Tezzeret deck which I have tried real hard to make as accurate to the story as possible, and that one is WUB (although the white is pretty much just splashed because I really wanted Tidehollow Sculler and Sharuum the Hegemon in there).
When he was a seeker, I'd certainly agree, because his character arc was all tied into proving himself to the world, but by the time we get to agents of artifice his entire personality was about accumulating power and dominating things, which is classic black. That's been true all the way through Agents and Mirrodin.
There's a lot of very very questionable stuff surrounding Test of Metal, so... any personality he had there is unreliable at best.
Also, you and I also both have story accurate decks. Want to compare notes? (not here obviously)
I've deduced from some of your previous posts that you don't like Test of Metal and I totally see why (clockworking was a terrible idea and the appearance of Liliana as one of Bolas's servants denies the canon) but the portrayal of the main character was very good. I used to hate Tezzeret after Agents of Artifice, considering him possibly worse than Nicol Bolas himself, but Test changed my mind and redeemed Tezzeret in my eyes (make no mistake, I still see him as a villain, just a relatable one). It felt to me as though he were an entirely different man of the same name: driven by curiosity as much as ambition, using wit and trickery to best his opponents, even caring for his allies and going out of his way to save Baltrice. In Agents he was indeed very black, but whatever changes have been done to his mind by Beleren and/or Bolas seem to have restored him to his blue ways. In Quest he was, again, darker but he still felt like a blue villain: secretive, manipulative (playing both sides against each other) and all that. At least that's how I see it.
Don't forget how unlikable Matt Stover proved himself to be. That has done a fair job of souring the entire book.
The thing is, whatever changes Test of Metal brought, they've been undone by the later works as well. His part in Mirrodin paints him in a much darker light, mostly trying to consolidate his own power, carve out something for him to use against the rest of everyone else. The cold manipulation is still there, but so is that dark hunger for power... and make no mistake, that's been there for a long long time. Black is no new thing to him and really, after his fall from the Seekers, I think his own power has been his primary characteristic.
See also: The power grab he made in Quest... though I am also honestly not sure how much of Quest is even canon at this point either. That entire block was so mishandled.
About the decks: I don't actually have THAT many, I only build story-accurate decks for characters I really like, but I also help other guys do the same (last month, for example, I fleshed out an Elspeth deck for a friend). I'd love to have more of them, but many characters have not been given enough room to provide enough material for a playable 60-card deck. I'd like to build a Serra deck but my list mostly lacks non-permanent spells. I'd like to build a Dack Fayden deck now that he finally got a card but there aren't enough creatures (esp. the smaller ones). If you're willing, I can tell you what I've gathered so far and see if you come up with other suggestions. Analogically, you're free to inquire about my lists. Just name a character, I'll send you all I know.
I have only two of the vast majority that have cards that don't have decks.
I refuse to make a Domri deck and I can't make a Venser deck on principle.
Abilities are still in discussion because we'd like him balanced but still relatively powerful for a planeswalker
The story is essentially wired for him.
But his name is "Daxiel" in the plane he originated from he's referred to by the many religious groups as "The Divine Transgression"
Nicol Bolas is quite aware of his existance and even thinks of Daxiel as a complete abomination, and a danger to the multiverse.
This art is still only in concept form but this is the base copyright image we're working with
I always saw this combo as potentially the Lawyer/police officer color combo. I had a character who was a law mage (U/W) on his home plane but after his spark ignites when he barely survives a kill spell from a criminal he's chasing he starts subconsciously playing tipping more toward incorporating black mana.
What does everyone say about that? Would you like to see a black/blue/white major character, and what would such a character be like?
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
imo It would be Tezzeret, considering major characters with 3-color associations leave players/fans with expectations that they will achieve mastery over all 3, while Ajani is White, he's spread to Red/White and its expected he will take an alternate step to Green/White before becoming a Red/Green/White auramancer eventually. Back on topic, I think the same can occur with Tezzeret, though I can't predict how his personality will accommodate the addition of White, and if that would occur before, during, or after a potential flipping Nicol Bolas the bird
There is very very little about Tezzeret that justifies the white drop. Not even the love of order can really justify it since the other colors would overpower those characteristics to the point you couldn't count them.
And he's been flipping Bolas the bird for more than a decade now. He isn't doing it to accommodate others, he's doing it because he hates Bolas. u/b is where Tezzeret belongs, even if he does know a smattering of white magic. It isn't enough.
The way I see it, while Nicol Bolas is (which IMO indicates he's black twice over) Tezzeret could be but ultimately, my opinion of Tezzeret's potential of being is somewhat of a prestige or epic destiny; I don't see him accomplishing it any time soon (or perhaps living that long) unlike Ajani becoming imo
That still isn't an accurate understanding of where Tezzeret would end up.
Tezzeret, in this sort of hypothetical would fall out a bit more closely to and that basically wipes out any contribution white would make to his personality.
Hard to say, most of what we know of him are second hand accounts.
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You've called him the founder of Esper a few times, but he didn't do that. He created Etherium.
Fair enough, in that one doesn't really "found" a plane (not anymore anyway). But he's responsible for is most significant cultural cornerstone and holds a place of contentious fame among the people of Esper.
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There is little we know of Tezzeret that is white at this moment. Correct. However, I don't think a Tezzperet (coining it now) is off the table. He could theoretically be fundamentally abhorred by the Phyrexian's compleation of Mirrodin, leave Bolas and seek help against the Phyrexian threat (which we all KNOW is coming...in our hearts, if not our heads).
Nope.
He thinks they are brutish and ignorant, but he admires the concept of Phyrexia. He thinks the execution could use some work though.
Well, I'll be sure to take your word on the future as canon. *cough* Elspeth. *cough*
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There are plenty of Esper sphinxes, but their impact on the overall storylines of Magic is minimal.
The people of Esper were intelligent, knowledgeable, rational. They understood the delicate balance between the individual and the community. Esperites lived in a stratified society surprisingly similar to Bant, although they were the opposite of a meritocracy and more of a oligarchy. Power struggles and fights over resources and information were common in Esper. They are driven by a need for power, knowledge or both, and while they may take the lion's share of this for themselves, they are not totally selfish.
The real question is what he thinks of them now that the Machine Orthodoxy is in charge.
Well, according to the Lost Confession, it seems like most of his thoughts about them are "if I run now, will that make them go crazy?"
When he was a seeker, I'd certainly agree, because his character arc was all tied into proving himself to the world, but by the time we get to agents of artifice his entire personality was about accumulating power and dominating things, which is classic black. That's been true all the way through Agents and Mirrodin.
There's a lot of very very questionable stuff surrounding Test of Metal, so... any personality he had there is unreliable at best.
Also, you and I also both have story accurate decks. Want to compare notes? (not here obviously)
Don't forget how unlikable Matt Stover proved himself to be. That has done a fair job of souring the entire book.
The thing is, whatever changes Test of Metal brought, they've been undone by the later works as well. His part in Mirrodin paints him in a much darker light, mostly trying to consolidate his own power, carve out something for him to use against the rest of everyone else. The cold manipulation is still there, but so is that dark hunger for power... and make no mistake, that's been there for a long long time. Black is no new thing to him and really, after his fall from the Seekers, I think his own power has been his primary characteristic.
See also: The power grab he made in Quest... though I am also honestly not sure how much of Quest is even canon at this point either. That entire block was so mishandled.
I have only two of the vast majority that have cards that don't have decks.
I refuse to make a Domri deck and I can't make a Venser deck on principle.
Another artist and I are actually trying to pitch a planeswalker for these colors to Wizards.
We're hoping things go end well with the discussions.
Interesting. Any chance for basic information?
Abilities are still in discussion because we'd like him balanced but still relatively powerful for a planeswalker
The story is essentially wired for him.
But his name is "Daxiel" in the plane he originated from he's referred to by the many religious groups as "The Divine Transgression"
Nicol Bolas is quite aware of his existance and even thinks of Daxiel as a complete abomination, and a danger to the multiverse.
This art is still only in concept form but this is the base copyright image we're working with
He has already been dual colored so it is possible that eventually become 3 colored.