I think Sorin's always had more to him than meets the eye. Although, we don't know for sure how powerful post-mending Sorin is. Unlike Karn or Bolas, he hasn't had any post-mending powerups, nor sought any (that we know of).
And Karn would likely be tricolor--as i've often assumed Urza was--if not for the whole artifact thing.
Sorin is powerful enough to render literally hundreds of Eldrazi drones into rotting organic matter with one profane phrase and can make Krakens bow to him.
I think he swings in the heavy hitter league.
But mostly I take umbrage with the idea that black is incapable of more diverse emotions, hence why the forced inclusion of white bothers me so much.
Urza, incidentally, was pretty much everything except green. Even then, he did have a brief green phase after Yavimaya brainwashed him.
Sorin is powerful enough to render literally hundreds of Eldrazi drones into rotting organic matter with one profane phrase and can make Krakens bow to him.
I think he swings in the heavy hitter league.
But mostly I take umbrage with the idea that black is incapable of more diverse emotions, hence why the forced inclusion of white bothers me so much.
Urza, incidentally, was pretty much everything except green. Even then, he did have a brief green phase after Yavimaya brainwashed him.
I'm pretty sure Urza was RWU.
The most powerful walkers currently:
1)Bolas
2)Karn
3)Sorin
After that it gets a little harder, but
4)Ajani
5)Liliana
6)Jace
Though Elspeth may have gotten stronger with Heliod's patronage, he did turn her sword (which was already a powerful weapon) into a spear, I doubt he did that just for looks.
I think that tapping into multiple colors has the potential for an objectively more powerful character, but not as a matter of fact.
Ramaz is RUG and isn't described as being an ungodly powerful being.
All of the non-Bolas shard walkers are capable of it, and none of them are blowing up continents.
Uh...no? Those are both white. Red is independent, self-involved and unpredictable. Now, red is also emotional, but that's not necessarily the same as being empathic.
You might be confusing Boros (and its mixed flavor) with pure Red.
No, I'm not.
There are overlaps in colors. Red is capable of empathy because it's the color most concerned with the emotional spectrum.
White will be empathic because it wants to do what it perceives as the right thing, red will be empahtic because it doesn't like feeling things that it doesn't like and wants to resolve those issues.
Not quite. Red is corncerned with indepentence, including but not limited to the concept of FREEDOM. The Phyrexians subjugate people, and that's what Red guys like Urabrask were a little conflicted about.
But their feelings? Ura would probably say "**** their feelings".
Quote from Planeswalker"s Guide to New Phyrexia »
Of all the energies Mirrodin introduced to the Phyrexian ethos, the mana from the red sun has been most challenging, because it's the force that lies behind the concepts of individualism, compassion, emotion, and freedom.
Each color represents a spectrum of things. There's a lot about red that is distinctly anti-Phyrexian on a fundamental level.
But in a selfish way. You gotta remember that. Red is all about the individual.
Kinda sorta.
Black is selfish because it doesn't care about others inasmuch as it's concerned with itself. Everyone's playing the same game, and black wants to win.
Red is selfish in that it's short-minded and wants gratification.
A black character might do a bad thing and not care. A red character might do a bad thing because they didn't think about the consequences, decide they care about the consequences, and feel bad about it.
They are both capable of selfishness (as are all the colors in some way) but go about it in different ways.
Well, obviously. My own posts already noted this. But for Ajani, I don't think there's enough red attributes in him to justify going so deep on that color again.
I think it's possible.
I think given his altruistic nature, he's at the white-red cross section of I want everyone to be happy but not at the expense of someone else.
Ajani's not really one for extreme emotions, though. You move passed that grief/anger and he's basically a level-headed bastion of white ideals. It was him who had to reel in Elspeth at one point.
And I think that's the core of his color shift from red-white to primarily red.
He realize the emotional extremism wasn't accomplishing what he thought it was and was making him a different sort of person than he cared to be.
He, and anyone for that matter, is capable of this sort of extremism, but what separates him from a red-centered character is that he doesn't revel in it.
I reeeeeeeeeally hate this sort of "blah is stronger than blah" mindset.
Magic has never been about that.
The very foundation of the game has been more of a rock-paper-scissors relationship and I feel that the characters in the story work the same way.
I'm pretty sure Urza was RWU.
The most powerful walkers currently:
1)Bolas
2)Karn
3)Sorin
After that it gets a little harder, but
4)Ajani
5)Liliana
6)Jace
Though Elspeth may have gotten stronger with Heliod's patronage, he did turn her sword (which was already a powerful weapon) into a spear, I doubt he did that just for looks.
This is all sorts of messed up.
For one, Liliana is a former oldwalker being super charged by the Chain Veil. There's no way Ajani is more powerful than she is.
And Elspeth's sword was never special. It wasn't a magical relic before Heliod, and really I doubt that's much different.
We also have no clue what the Guildpact has done to Jace so...
We also have no clue what the Guildpact has done to Jace so...
Jace, the Guildpact
-6: All players discard their hands, shuffle their graveyards into their libraries, shake hands and exchange compliments, and go out for a drink because they shouldn't be fighting anymore.
BTW, just to end the argument, MaRo himself explained the whole deal with having two monocolored PWs share the same color in a set.
Ajani marks the tenth and final two-color combination to show up on a Planeswalker. I'm sure a lot of people are curious if he was made green-white specifically because we didn't have one yet. The answer is "sort of." Let me walk you through what happened. We knew we wanted Ajani. We also knew the protagonist was going to be Elspeth.
While the creative team chooses which characters are going to be represented as Planeswalkers, they have to work with development to make sure there is a good color balance. The existence of a mono-white Elspeth—and the creative team really wanted her mono-white (in general, it's nice if the protagonist is monocolor to help him or her get more visibility by showing up in a greater number of decks)—meant it was awkward if a second Planeswalker was mono-white. Note that it is something we could do if we have to but it did raise some red flags.
As the team started looking at options for a two-color Ajani, there weren't a lot that made sense. Also, the team was aware that green-white was going to be the last combination (Kiora was the second-to-last, fulfilling the green-blue void) to appear on a Planeswalker, and green-white fit the flavor well. This meant that green-white solved our problems while also allowing us to deliver something we know players had been asking for.
so there's that.
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Sorin is powerful enough to render literally hundreds of Eldrazi drones into rotting organic matter with one profane phrase and can make Krakens bow to him.
I think he swings in the heavy hitter league.
But mostly I take umbrage with the idea that black is incapable of more diverse emotions, hence why the forced inclusion of white bothers me so much.
Urza, incidentally, was pretty much everything except green. Even then, he did have a brief green phase after Yavimaya brainwashed him.
I'm pretty sure Urza was RWU.
The most powerful walkers currently:
1)Bolas
2)Karn
3)Sorin
After that it gets a little harder, but
4)Ajani
5)Liliana
6)Jace
Though Elspeth may have gotten stronger with Heliod's patronage, he did turn her sword (which was already a powerful weapon) into a spear, I doubt he did that just for looks.
I think that tapping into multiple colors has the potential for an objectively more powerful character, but not as a matter of fact.
Ramaz is RUG and isn't described as being an ungodly powerful being.
All of the non-Bolas shard walkers are capable of it, and none of them are blowing up continents.
No, I'm not.
There are overlaps in colors. Red is capable of empathy because it's the color most concerned with the emotional spectrum.
White will be empathic because it wants to do what it perceives as the right thing, red will be empahtic because it doesn't like feeling things that it doesn't like and wants to resolve those issues.
Each color represents a spectrum of things. There's a lot about red that is distinctly anti-Phyrexian on a fundamental level.
Kinda sorta.
Black is selfish because it doesn't care about others inasmuch as it's concerned with itself. Everyone's playing the same game, and black wants to win.
Red is selfish in that it's short-minded and wants gratification.
A black character might do a bad thing and not care. A red character might do a bad thing because they didn't think about the consequences, decide they care about the consequences, and feel bad about it.
They are both capable of selfishness (as are all the colors in some way) but go about it in different ways.
I think it's possible.
I think given his altruistic nature, he's at the white-red cross section of I want everyone to be happy but not at the expense of someone else.
And I think that's the core of his color shift from red-white to primarily red.
He realize the emotional extremism wasn't accomplishing what he thought it was and was making him a different sort of person than he cared to be.
He, and anyone for that matter, is capable of this sort of extremism, but what separates him from a red-centered character is that he doesn't revel in it.
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I reeeeeeeeeally hate this sort of "blah is stronger than blah" mindset.
Magic has never been about that.
The very foundation of the game has been more of a rock-paper-scissors relationship and I feel that the characters in the story work the same way.
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This is all sorts of messed up.
For one, Liliana is a former oldwalker being super charged by the Chain Veil. There's no way Ajani is more powerful than she is.
And Elspeth's sword was never special. It wasn't a magical relic before Heliod, and really I doubt that's much different.
We also have no clue what the Guildpact has done to Jace so...
Jace, the Guildpact
-6: All players discard their hands, shuffle their graveyards into their libraries, shake hands and exchange compliments, and go out for a drink because they shouldn't be fighting anymore.
so there's that.
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