I mean he is still so far the only PW to have a PW card with 3 colors. He was trying to absorb the maelstrom which is a "storm" with all 5 colors. He has interest in New Phyrexia/Mirrodin which have had 5 color themes to represent the 5 suns (well Mirrodin did anyway), he even has interest in Eldrazi and had an encounter with Ugin, so he may even be trying to master colorless mana.
Do you think they will ever make a 5-color PW and do you think it will be him?
Karn Liberated is a 5 colors walker.
in flavour a planeswalker card's colors don't represent what kind of mana/magic he can use.
like Tezzeret is a esper walker he was born in esper soo he learned the ways of esper' magic ( White blUe Black mana's magic) but he only have a mono U card and a BU card.
Urza and the old walkers used any tipe of magic but they had some favorite spells and this is the case here.
I know PW cards don't represent what colors they have access too and can use, hence why I phrased it like this (I actually reworded it b/c i knew someone would say that):
I mean he is still so far the only PW to have a PW card with 3 colors.
I know PW cards don't represent what colors they have access too and can use, hence why I phrased it like this (I actually reworded it b/c i knew someone would say that):
I mean he is still so far the only PW to have a PW card with 3 colors.
and Karn is colorless, not WUBRG.
you know of mirrodin and its moons/suns
He has interest in New Phyrexia/Mirrodin which have had 5 color themes to represent the 5 suns (well Mirrodin did anyway)
karn created Mirrodin he is master in all 5 colors (quite equally)
To create a 5 colors walker they would have to justify it
if one should be in WUBRG its Karn
Bolas isn't a mono B walker or a 2 colors walker because of flavour
He's non walker card and the shard of grixis
Also Jace is a Mono U walker but he already uses W SPELLS
Bolas can use any kind of spell and mana absorbing the maelstrom was kind of " Bolas Drinking Coffe or Red Bull"
I think that Nicol Bolas is definitely up to something, and it's probable that that something has to do with reclaiming the power that he lost during the time rift plotline. After all, he was for a long time essentially omnipotent before having the other colors stolen from him. We know he's active on most of the worlds we've been on- he's been messing with Ravnica as surely as Alara.
In short, yes, I think he might be eventually a 5 color PW. I'm wondering if we might see him gain access to one of the other colors first, and we could see a 4 color PW (4 color anything would be pretty cool)
As to whether he'd be the first? only time can tell.
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I think that Nicol Bolas is definitely up to something, and it's probable that that something has to do with reclaiming the power that he lost during the time rift plotline. After all, he was for a long time essentially omnipotent before having the other colors stolen from him. We know he's active on most of the worlds we've been on- he's been messing with Ravnica as surely as Alara.
In short, yes, I think he might be eventually a 5 color PW. I'm wondering if we might see him gain access to one of the other colors first, and we could see a 4 color PW (4 color anything would be pretty cool)
As to whether he'd be the first? only time can tell.
Like us when Playing magic Planeswalkers drain Mana from the land and other artifacts....
A Planeswalker could be identificated as being from a color by its way of thinking.
But you know all walkers can use any kind of spell if : They know the spell and have acess to the mana to cast it.
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- Blue is the color that looks on the world and sees opportunity.
- Black is the color of self-indulgence, parasitism, amorality and unfettered desire for power.
- Above all else, red values freedom of expression. It wants to do what it wants, when it wants, to whom it wants, and nobody can tell it otherwise.
I just can't think of a Nicol Bolas thinking in:
- White puts value in the group, the community, and its civilization as a whole. White's ultimate goal is peace, harmony, and perfection — a world where everyone gets along and no one seeks to disturb the bonds of unity that White had worked so long to forge.
- Green is the color of nature, growth, interdependence and instinct. It believes that obedience the natural order alone is the best way to exist and thus favors a simplistic way of living in harmony with the rest of the world. This can often lead to it be perceived as a pacifistic color, as it does not seek to make conflict with the other colors as long as they leave it alone and do not disrespect nature.
That's because you're being way too rigorous when it comes to those definitions. White is the color of organization and order, something Bolas respects. He just wants to be at the top.
Green... is harder to slot him into.
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That's because you're being way too rigorous when it comes to those definitions. White is the color of organization and order, something Bolas respects. He just wants to be at the top.
Green... is harder to slot him into.
so he has a desire for power?
if he fits then it could be already in that color.
a color can't be taken from a mage they can take the mana but not the colors (personality).
a 5 colors being is hard to fit in any archetype
bolas fits nicelly in UBR
Extremely unlikely.
Bolas has no real desire to change his core personality even if he has call for that type of magic. Instead, he will merely use that type of mana to cast. Pragmatism is a very black trait after all.
So no, Bolas won't be shifting into any other colors.
I don't know how it would be unlikely, I would think one of the ways to becoming the ultimate PW is to master (not just use) all the colors.
Like above posters said there ARE qualities that W and G have that would describe Bolas. I would like to see this happen regardless. I'd honestly like to see a 5-color Taysir PW cards too, but I KNOW that is highly unlikely considering they never even made a Yawgmoth card.
I think Barinellos would agree that it is extremely likely that Bolas already uses all five colours. He's been around for 25000 years! Of course he's dabbled in white magic! What he's saying is that Bolas's core values (what actually defines the colours of a PW card) won't be changing anytime soon.
Take Ajani. Proficient in at least white, green and red magic. White is his core, which he most often exemplifies. It took a major event changing his character to create a colour shift into red.
Sorin is another example. Black through and through, but black-white when his care for Innistrad is showing.
Bolas has been around for millenia. He's seen it all and done it all. There is no event that could cause him to abandon his selfish nature at this point. A black/blue Bolas? Sure. Black/red is possible. Even monoblack. But to shift into a colour that's pretty much against everything he stands for? Not going to happen.
But again, that doesn't mean he can't use it. It just means it's not going to be part of his casting cost. Heh, it just occurred to me that Bolas's card is even proof of this. He's got enchantment destruction in URB. Dabbled enough to get a disenchant at least.
Bolas probably has mastered all five colors of magic (like almost any walker who is around long enough) But refuses to use white or green because those colors conflict with his personality. It's confirmed that he knows close to half of the spells in existance.
Also, because he is a Black-Blue-Red Alligned independent dragon and he don't need no green or white spells to make him godlike. (he might be too proud to use those colors of spells. Healing, light, life, and strength enhancing are for sissys. )
I don't know how it would be unlikely, I would think one of the ways to becoming the ultimate PW is to master (not just use) all the colors.
Like above posters said there ARE qualities that W and G have that would describe Bolas. I would like to see this happen regardless. I'd honestly like to see a 5-color Taysir PW cards too, but I KNOW that is highly unlikely considering they never even made a Yawgmoth card.
Yawgmoth's will and Yawgmoth's Bargain were pretty evidential of his power. I'm pretty sure a Yawgmoth card would have broken Magic. And considering he was nearly the embodiment of Death at one point, I don't think a Mere old walker would be able to summon him.
I'd honestly like to see a 5-color Taysir PW cards too, but I KNOW that is highly unlikely considering they never even made a Yawgmoth card.
Most of what Stardust said.
But in addition, Yawgmoth wasn't a walker. I'm not sure if you were implying that Yawgmoth should have gotten a walker card or not, but I find it safe to just circumvent that by shooting the prospect down.
I think Barinellos would agree that it is extremely likely that Bolas already uses all five colours. He's been around for 25000 years! Of course he's dabbled in white magic! What he's saying is that Bolas's core values (what actually defines the colours of a PW card) won't be changing anytime soon.
Take Ajani. Proficient in at least white, green and red magic. White is his core, which he most often exemplifies. It took a major event changing his character to create a colour shift into red.
Sorin is another example. Black through and through, but black-white when his care for Innistrad is showing.
Bolas has been around for millenia. He's seen it all and done it all. There is no event that could cause him to abandon his selfish nature at this point. A black/blue Bolas? Sure. Black/red is possible. Even monoblack. But to shift into a colour that's pretty much against everything he stands for? Not going to happen.
I think for the most part most of the Planeswalkers of old have dabbled into other colors other than their core color. If I am taking the Planeswalker novels right, Serra might've dabbled into some of the colors to realize that Black mana isn't just her thing and the others work well to her core that is White.
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I think for the most part most of the Planeswalkers of old have dabbled into other colors other than their core color. If I am taking the Planeswalker novels right, Serra might've dabbled into some of the colors to realize that Black mana isn't just her thing and the others work well to her core that is White.
It was actually more along the lines of the fact she realized that she literally COULDN'T make a plane without utilizing at least a small touch of each other color.
It was actually more along the lines of the fact she realized that she literally COULDN'T make a plane without utilizing at least a small touch of each other color.
This. It also is what made the Shards of Alara unique in the multiverse. I believe they started to reform due to finally "running out" of the small amount they had of the two missing colors. (I recall seeing something that said they still had the other colors for awhile, but in unusable amounts. By the time we visited, they had ran out. But, i can't find the source so don't say it is official.)
Bolas with green mana: Green is the color of natural supremacy, natural order and growth, all things bolas would be interested in, things he would like to be in control of, bolas could tune into green mana for power, as he does for red/black/blue, which i think he uses as they fill his needs easier.
Bolas using white mana: Bolas might use white order to instill discipline, order, and to achieve a perfect peaceful society in which he is the law.
Bolas uses white in the way elesh norn is white imo. but i doubt we see him as anything but Bru since his creature colors have defined him. Expect a 5 color walkler to be something/someone new perhaps an elemental, or some sort of god/plane creator akin to karn or Yawgmoth. Perhaps a 5 color phyrexian overlord or sliver. Or cromat, the most powerful walker of all time.
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Bolas with green mana: Green is the color of natural supremacy, natural order and growth, all things bolas would be interested in, things he would like to be in control of, bolas could tune into green mana for power, as he does for red/black/blue, which i think he uses as they fill his needs easier.
Bolas doesn't believe in natural supremacy. He believes in Bolas supremacy. Which usually means breaking natural laws regularly.
Bolas using white mana: Bolas might use white order to instill discipline, order, and to achieve a perfect peaceful society in which he is the law.
He instills discipline with fear and punishment. He regularly pits his minions against each other to create chaos, weaken them internally, and promote the victors to ensure loyalty.
Bolas uses white in the way elesh norn is white imo. but i doubt we see him as anything but Bru since his creature colors have defined him. Expect a 5 color walkler to be something/someone new perhaps an elemental, or some sort of god/plane creator akin to karn or Yawgmoth. Perhaps a 5 color phyrexian overlord or sliver.
Karn is already the 5 color walker in everything but cost.
Expect a 5 color walkler to be something/someone new perhaps an elemental, or some sort of god/plane creator akin to karn or Yawgmoth. Perhaps a 5 color phyrexian overlord or sliver. Or cromat, the most powerful walker of all time.
Personally I'm still holding out hope for Taysir to make a return. It's not like he hasn't come back from the dead before.
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Do you think they will ever make a 5-color PW and do you think it will be him?
in flavour a planeswalker card's colors don't represent what kind of mana/magic he can use.
like Tezzeret is a esper walker he was born in esper soo he learned the ways of esper' magic ( White blUe Black mana's magic) but he only have a mono U card and a BU card.
Urza and the old walkers used any tipe of magic but they had some favorite spells and this is the case here.
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I mean he is still so far the only PW to have a PW card with 3 colors.
and Karn is colorless, not WUBRG.
you know of mirrodin and its moons/suns
karn created Mirrodin he is master in all 5 colors (quite equally)
To create a 5 colors walker they would have to justify it
if one should be in WUBRG its Karn
Bolas isn't a mono B walker or a 2 colors walker because of flavour
He's non walker card and the shard of grixis
Also Jace is a Mono U walker but he already uses W SPELLS
Bolas can use any kind of spell and mana absorbing the maelstrom was kind of " Bolas Drinking Coffe or Red Bull"
EDIT
In short, yes, I think he might be eventually a 5 color PW. I'm wondering if we might see him gain access to one of the other colors first, and we could see a 4 color PW (4 color anything would be pretty cool)
As to whether he'd be the first? only time can tell.
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"I don't have to have the perfect plan. My foe just has to have an imperfect one." -Jace Beleren, Summoner's Bane
"When your cities and trinkets crumble, only nature will remain" ~Garruk Wildspeaker, Naturalize
Like us when Playing magic Planeswalkers drain Mana from the land and other artifacts....
A Planeswalker could be identificated as being from a color by its way of thinking.
But you know all walkers can use any kind of spell if : They know the spell and have acess to the mana to cast it.
EDIT:
In the color pie
- Black is the color of self-indulgence, parasitism, amorality and unfettered desire for power.
- Above all else, red values freedom of expression. It wants to do what it wants, when it wants, to whom it wants, and nobody can tell it otherwise.
- Green is the color of nature, growth, interdependence and instinct. It believes that obedience the natural order alone is the best way to exist and thus favors a simplistic way of living in harmony with the rest of the world. This can often lead to it be perceived as a pacifistic color, as it does not seek to make conflict with the other colors as long as they leave it alone and do not disrespect nature.
Green... is harder to slot him into.
so he has a desire for power?
if he fits then it could be already in that color.
a color can't be taken from a mage they can take the mana but not the colors (personality).
a 5 colors being is hard to fit in any archetype
bolas fits nicelly in UBR
Bolas has no real desire to change his core personality even if he has call for that type of magic. Instead, he will merely use that type of mana to cast. Pragmatism is a very black trait after all.
So no, Bolas won't be shifting into any other colors.
Like above posters said there ARE qualities that W and G have that would describe Bolas. I would like to see this happen regardless. I'd honestly like to see a 5-color Taysir PW cards too, but I KNOW that is highly unlikely considering they never even made a Yawgmoth card.
Take Ajani. Proficient in at least white, green and red magic. White is his core, which he most often exemplifies. It took a major event changing his character to create a colour shift into red.
Sorin is another example. Black through and through, but black-white when his care for Innistrad is showing.
Bolas has been around for millenia. He's seen it all and done it all. There is no event that could cause him to abandon his selfish nature at this point. A black/blue Bolas? Sure. Black/red is possible. Even monoblack. But to shift into a colour that's pretty much against everything he stands for? Not going to happen.
But again, that doesn't mean he can't use it. It just means it's not going to be part of his casting cost. Heh, it just occurred to me that Bolas's card is even proof of this. He's got enchantment destruction in URB. Dabbled enough to get a disenchant at least.
Also, because he is a Black-Blue-Red Alligned independent dragon and he don't need no green or white spells to make him godlike. (he might be too proud to use those colors of spells. Healing, light, life, and strength enhancing are for sissys. )
Yawgmoth's will and Yawgmoth's Bargain were pretty evidential of his power. I'm pretty sure a Yawgmoth card would have broken Magic. And considering he was nearly the embodiment of Death at one point, I don't think a Mere old walker would be able to summon him.
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But in addition, Yawgmoth wasn't a walker. I'm not sure if you were implying that Yawgmoth should have gotten a walker card or not, but I find it safe to just circumvent that by shooting the prospect down.
I think for the most part most of the Planeswalkers of old have dabbled into other colors other than their core color. If I am taking the Planeswalker novels right, Serra might've dabbled into some of the colors to realize that Black mana isn't just her thing and the others work well to her core that is White.
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It was actually more along the lines of the fact she realized that she literally COULDN'T make a plane without utilizing at least a small touch of each other color.
This. It also is what made the Shards of Alara unique in the multiverse. I believe they started to reform due to finally "running out" of the small amount they had of the two missing colors. (I recall seeing something that said they still had the other colors for awhile, but in unusable amounts. By the time we visited, they had ran out. But, i can't find the source so don't say it is official.)
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Will be kept until 12/31/2013 to prove if Right or Wrong.Proven right 1/27/2013Bolas using white mana: Bolas might use white order to instill discipline, order, and to achieve a perfect peaceful society in which he is the law.
Bolas uses white in the way elesh norn is white imo. but i doubt we see him as anything but Bru since his creature colors have defined him. Expect a 5 color walkler to be something/someone new perhaps an elemental, or some sort of god/plane creator akin to karn or Yawgmoth. Perhaps a 5 color phyrexian overlord or sliver. Or cromat, the most powerful walker of all time.
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Bolas doesn't believe in natural supremacy. He believes in Bolas supremacy. Which usually means breaking natural laws regularly.
He instills discipline with fear and punishment. He regularly pits his minions against each other to create chaos, weaken them internally, and promote the victors to ensure loyalty.
Karn is already the 5 color walker in everything but cost.
Personally I'm still holding out hope for Taysir to make a return. It's not like he hasn't come back from the dead before.
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