The story thus far has been increasingly putting an emphasis on the populist Gateless movement and their violent opposition to the guilds. I'd bet anything that a significant portion of Dragon's Maze is going to be about La Révolution, and it will not be civilized. So, who's going to have their backs to the wall first?
Azorius, Orzhov, and Boros - Of all the guilds, they come off the most as "The Man". Azorius makes laws that only benefit themselves and the upper classes, while paying lip service to the idea of "justice". The Orzhov are openly exploiting the lower classes, draining them of every penny they have and making them believe they deserve it. While the Boros may be painted sympathetically, throughout history the oppressed generally don't have very good relations with law enforcement. Aurelia may tell Gideon that she's protecting the Gateless, but most likely she's only helping to keep them in their place.
Selesnya - They're essentially a cult that brainwashes their victims into forgetting all sense of individuality and free will. Despite the religious trappings they display much like the Orzhov, I think the People will rise up against them next.
Dimir and Simic - Both are new, and new equals unknown. Unknown equals frightening. The Dimir are pretty much openly villainous and have no respect for personal liberty, so they're going down. Meanwhile, the Simic have already been destroyed once before, and didn't exist at all for a period of at least a decade or so. Ravnica didn't implode or fall apart without them; why should the People tolerate their return?
Rakdos and Izzet - These two are tricky. The Izzet are charged with maintaining the infrastructure of the city and improving the quality of life for everyone, which sounds good on paper. They blatantly ignore this duty, and instead devote their time to unethical experiments that often end up destroying public property and leaving others dead or injured, who the Izzet of course make no attempt to assist or even compensate. Everyone knows the Rakdos are a bunch of terrifying, violent sadists, but at the same time they're also in charge of mass media and entertainment, which can go a long way towards pacifying the masses. On the other hand, the Rakdos aren't really into pacifying anyone; maybe they're looking forward to the Révolution.
Golgari and Gruul - Of all the guilds, these seem like the least hostile to the Gateless agenda, since they're both being oppressed by the other guilds as well. When the fat cats are dragged into the streets to taste true justice, I can easily see the Gruul joining in. When the People emerge victorious, they'll have quite a large number of corpses to dispose of, and guess who can help them out with that?
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I'm picturing the guildless revolt as kind of a Equalist movement (The Legend of Korra.) Though without a leader.
The Gruul, while not liking the guild system and barely adhering to it, wouldn't necessarily "Take a side" in the conflict. They probably be the least hostile to the guildless as in "not actively seeking to kill them". However they won't spare guildless on raids.
Holy crap me too! The Gateless do seem to be pretty unorganized and leader-less right now, but I imagine a part of that is simply because there's no way we'd be able to see said leader on a card. Dragon's Maze is already going to be a small set with ten legends in it :/
Unless ... perhaps Gideon could be that leader? He tells Aurelia to shove it, joins the amorphous Gateless and becomes the charismatic leader they've been waiting for? I imagine he'd try to stem the bloodshed as much as possible, though.
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The Gateless movement would need to lump the Gruul in with the Rakdos if they're going to look at everything equally.
The Gruul that have the most influence are bandits, vandals, raiders, and violent psychopaths just as much as the Rakdos. They regularly ride into peaceful neighborhoods and destroy everything they can, taking what they want and burning down the rest.
I feel like if Gideon was going to be written as the leader of the Gateless he'd have been printed in the final set, rather than as a Gatecrash card with the Boros.
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I feel like if Gideon was going to be written as the leader of the Gateless he'd have been printed in the final set, rather than as a Gatecrash card with the Boros.
yeah, but at the same time, they're really pushing to show how much of a difference with the Boros he has and how uncomfortable they're starting to make him.
Would Gideon be able to be in DM? I thought Wizards had a rule that they print two PW's per big set an one per small set or is this just a precedent?
As for the Gateless movement I would more than likely see Dimir being free from any gateless attacks considering they're just a collection of splinter agents and are probably more than likely probably manipulating the Gateless movement to their own advantage.
Also I would just like to lump the new Simic basically with Izzet in the sense that they are both mad scientists.
Would Gideon be able to be in DM? I thought Wizards had a rule that they print two PW's per big set an one per small set or is this just a precedent?
It isn't a solid rule, but they try to print 5 per block, regardless of how the concentration plays out amongst the sets.
Aside from that... Gideon is already in Gatecrash, why would he be printed again? And why would he have to be printed again to be involved?
I fail to see why the gateless would go for Dimir first. Dimir is the kind of guild that would actually control the gateless movement and deal with the other guilds using them as a tool
I think if they Gateless antogonize the Azorius they are a utterly stupid movement. The Azorius make mistakes, they are humans, humans make mistakes. But they ultimately the guild whos agenda is to stabilish a order for everyone. This Boros is more or less the same case, except Aurelia is really stupid. But Isperia is pretty cool (for a sphinx).
The flavor text of Tin Street Market cleary shows what I'm saying... I for one think the gateless movement will not be so wild as I think Gideon will lead then (which i think is pretty weird since his a outsider).
Teysa's quote to Lazav--as well as the Gatecrash trailer--makes me think that the Gateless movement might be pawns of the Dimir. And if not, the Dimir command is at least turning the current political situation to its advantage.
The Gateless movement is a very interesting plot, and it really deserves a storyline all of its own. If it survives until the next Ravnica block, I could easily see it playing the central role.
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I think if they Gateless antogonize the Azorius they are a utterly stupid movement. The Azorius make mistakes, they are humans, humans make mistakes. But they ultimately the guild whos agenda is to stabilish a order for everyone. This Boros is more or less the same case, except Aurelia is really stupid. But Isperia is pretty cool (for a sphinx).
The flavor text of Tin Street Market cleary shows what I'm saying... I for one think the gateless movement will not be so wild as I think Gideon will lead then (which i think is pretty weird since his a outsider).
The Azorius have gone zealous several times. See the backstory for Vraska, where they outright attempted to murder several Golgari, seemingly without much justification.
And the sooner they get rid of the Boros, the better. They're like the Azorius' worse side if they lost all rational thought.
The protecter's picture bothers me.. Do the gate less have some way to control angels?...
No, it's been implied that some Boros (and possible Orzhov) angels feel sympathetic towards the gateless cause have turned against the guilds to help the gateless.
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Honestly I feel like Dimir, Rakdos, and Golgari will more or less be left alone. Not because the guildless doesn't despise them but because even they are terrified by them. The Rakdos are known and powerful fighters who are skilled at killing, the Golgari are mysterious and eerie and are just generally ignored and left to their own devices, and the Dimir are just too unknown. Kind of hard to take down a guild when you don't even know who you are going after.
The big obvious guilds though are prime targets. The Azorious, the Boros, the orzhov, and the Izzet seem to be recieving the brunt of the guildless movement.
Selesnya is actually being ignored for the most part since they are, on the outside anyway, seen as rather benign if slightly odd. The Selesnya help anyone, regardless of guild affiliation and belief in the Worldsoul. Additionally, Selesnya is just not a easy target to paint as "evil corrupt government opressor" people, which it seems are the people that the guildless are fighting.
Gruil will probably be generally ignored because, much like the Rakdos, they are very skilled at killing and are also, much like Selesnya, are not the "Evil corrupt officials" that are draining away your life sources. It seems that, generally speaking, if you dont live in areas like the Rumblebelt then the Gruul are essentially of little consequence to you.
Simic is a toss up. While the new Simic Combine hasn't earned the ire of the guildless yet, the guildless also probably remember the LAST Simic incidents. Additionally, the Simic are seen as odd eccentrics and may just be ignored and left to do what they do, much like the Golgari.
And going back to the Golgari, they will also be ignored for an another whole seperate reason. Fear. Those who are not Golgari, Simic, or Selesnyan are generally afraid of the Golgari. Even the Simic and Selesnya are uncomfortable around the Golgari. The things that the Golgari deal with, Their underlying ideas, terrify the residents and the creatures that reside in Golgari areas are rather... unsettling (the Lotleth Troll).
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Selesnya is actually being ignored for the most part since they are, on the outside anyway, seen as rather benign if slightly odd. The Selesnya help anyone, regardless of guild affiliation and belief in the Worldsoul. Additionally, Selesnya is just not a easy target to paint as "evil corrupt government opressor" people, which it seems are the people that the guildless are fighting.
Actually, that's probably more to do with the fact that they've already killed a huge number of the Selesnyans back when the Guildpact fell. They were particularly hit the hardest when it was learned that the Lifesong and Mat'Selesnya was being used to power the guildpact and actively suppress the free will of the populace.
I think, at best, you'll see a Gateless make their way into the event of Dragons Maze. Otherwise the Gateless movement is going to go the way of Occupy Wallstreet: completely ineffective at everything.
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Actually, that's probably more to do with the fact that they've already killed a huge number of the Selesnyans back when the Guildpact fell. They were particularly hit the hardest when it was learned that the Lifesong and Mat'Selesnya was being used to power the guildpact and actively suppress the free will of the populace.
Possibly, but all in all I still think Selesnya will be one of the guilds generally ignored. The big guilds that will be targeted are the Boros, Azorious, Orzhov, and Izzet.
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No, I'm pretty sure the Rakdos and the Gruul will be affected, as so far they're destrcutive and horrible people who are conveniently aligned with the colours opposing what we've seen of the movement.
No, it's been implied that some Boros (and possible Orzhov) angels feel sympathetic towards the gateless cause have turned against the guilds to help the gateless.
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Azorius, Orzhov, and Boros - Of all the guilds, they come off the most as "The Man". Azorius makes laws that only benefit themselves and the upper classes, while paying lip service to the idea of "justice". The Orzhov are openly exploiting the lower classes, draining them of every penny they have and making them believe they deserve it. While the Boros may be painted sympathetically, throughout history the oppressed generally don't have very good relations with law enforcement. Aurelia may tell Gideon that she's protecting the Gateless, but most likely she's only helping to keep them in their place.
Selesnya - They're essentially a cult that brainwashes their victims into forgetting all sense of individuality and free will. Despite the religious trappings they display much like the Orzhov, I think the People will rise up against them next.
Dimir and Simic - Both are new, and new equals unknown. Unknown equals frightening. The Dimir are pretty much openly villainous and have no respect for personal liberty, so they're going down. Meanwhile, the Simic have already been destroyed once before, and didn't exist at all for a period of at least a decade or so. Ravnica didn't implode or fall apart without them; why should the People tolerate their return?
Rakdos and Izzet - These two are tricky. The Izzet are charged with maintaining the infrastructure of the city and improving the quality of life for everyone, which sounds good on paper. They blatantly ignore this duty, and instead devote their time to unethical experiments that often end up destroying public property and leaving others dead or injured, who the Izzet of course make no attempt to assist or even compensate. Everyone knows the Rakdos are a bunch of terrifying, violent sadists, but at the same time they're also in charge of mass media and entertainment, which can go a long way towards pacifying the masses. On the other hand, the Rakdos aren't really into pacifying anyone; maybe they're looking forward to the Révolution.
Golgari and Gruul - Of all the guilds, these seem like the least hostile to the Gateless agenda, since they're both being oppressed by the other guilds as well. When the fat cats are dragged into the streets to taste true justice, I can easily see the Gruul joining in. When the People emerge victorious, they'll have quite a large number of corpses to dispose of, and guess who can help them out with that?
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The Gruul, while not liking the guild system and barely adhering to it, wouldn't necessarily "Take a side" in the conflict. They probably be the least hostile to the guildless as in "not actively seeking to kill them". However they won't spare guildless on raids.
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Unless ... perhaps Gideon could be that leader? He tells Aurelia to shove it, joins the amorphous Gateless and becomes the charismatic leader they've been waiting for? I imagine he'd try to stem the bloodshed as much as possible, though.
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The Gruul that have the most influence are bandits, vandals, raiders, and violent psychopaths just as much as the Rakdos. They regularly ride into peaceful neighborhoods and destroy everything they can, taking what they want and burning down the rest.
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yeah, but at the same time, they're really pushing to show how much of a difference with the Boros he has and how uncomfortable they're starting to make him.
As for the Gateless movement I would more than likely see Dimir being free from any gateless attacks considering they're just a collection of splinter agents and are probably more than likely probably manipulating the Gateless movement to their own advantage.
Also I would just like to lump the new Simic basically with Izzet in the sense that they are both mad scientists.
It isn't a solid rule, but they try to print 5 per block, regardless of how the concentration plays out amongst the sets.
Aside from that... Gideon is already in Gatecrash, why would he be printed again? And why would he have to be printed again to be involved?
The flavor text of Tin Street Market cleary shows what I'm saying... I for one think the gateless movement will not be so wild as I think Gideon will lead then (which i think is pretty weird since his a outsider).
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The Gateless movement is a very interesting plot, and it really deserves a storyline all of its own. If it survives until the next Ravnica block, I could easily see it playing the central role.
The Azorius have gone zealous several times. See the backstory for Vraska, where they outright attempted to murder several Golgari, seemingly without much justification.
And the sooner they get rid of the Boros, the better. They're like the Azorius' worse side if they lost all rational thought.
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All the denizens, since several don't have flavor text.
Palisade Giant very likely counts.
And I don't think Slum Reaper counts as Gateless.
The protecter's picture bothers me.. Do the gate less have some way to control angels?...
No, it's been implied that some Boros (and possible Orzhov) angels feel sympathetic towards the gateless cause have turned against the guilds to help the gateless.
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The big obvious guilds though are prime targets. The Azorious, the Boros, the orzhov, and the Izzet seem to be recieving the brunt of the guildless movement.
Selesnya is actually being ignored for the most part since they are, on the outside anyway, seen as rather benign if slightly odd. The Selesnya help anyone, regardless of guild affiliation and belief in the Worldsoul. Additionally, Selesnya is just not a easy target to paint as "evil corrupt government opressor" people, which it seems are the people that the guildless are fighting.
Gruil will probably be generally ignored because, much like the Rakdos, they are very skilled at killing and are also, much like Selesnya, are not the "Evil corrupt officials" that are draining away your life sources. It seems that, generally speaking, if you dont live in areas like the Rumblebelt then the Gruul are essentially of little consequence to you.
Simic is a toss up. While the new Simic Combine hasn't earned the ire of the guildless yet, the guildless also probably remember the LAST Simic incidents. Additionally, the Simic are seen as odd eccentrics and may just be ignored and left to do what they do, much like the Golgari.
And going back to the Golgari, they will also be ignored for an another whole seperate reason. Fear. Those who are not Golgari, Simic, or Selesnyan are generally afraid of the Golgari. Even the Simic and Selesnya are uncomfortable around the Golgari. The things that the Golgari deal with, Their underlying ideas, terrify the residents and the creatures that reside in Golgari areas are rather... unsettling (the Lotleth Troll).
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Actually, that's probably more to do with the fact that they've already killed a huge number of the Selesnyans back when the Guildpact fell. They were particularly hit the hardest when it was learned that the Lifesong and Mat'Selesnya was being used to power the guildpact and actively suppress the free will of the populace.
Possibly, but all in all I still think Selesnya will be one of the guilds generally ignored. The big guilds that will be targeted are the Boros, Azorious, Orzhov, and Izzet.
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