Gateless Movement...

  • #1
    Well, I have pieced together a theory using Fencing Ace and Firemane Avenger (thumbnail) about the plot of Gatecrash. While being a totally unrelated pair, they share common hints in their flavor text.

    Firemane Avenger:
    Firemane Nevena led the victorious assault on the Barbu Rooftop rebels. Now the Gateless have marked her for death.
    Fencing Ace:
    His prowess gives the guildless hope that they can hold out against tyranny.

    Fencing Ace hints at some guildless group fighting against tyranny, presumably guilds. Firemane Avenger's flavor text talks about Boros fighting against "Gateless," which I believe are very likely guildless rebels. Given these two texts, I believe that In GTC and Dragon's Maze we will find a conflict of guilds vs. guildless. Thoughts?
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  • #2
    Wasn't this mentioned in Planeswalker's guide? That aside, it's pretty much going to happen in the next set. But given how Wizards has all but given up on consistent storylines as of Innistrad, it's hard to see the impact.

    Furthermore, it's Dragon's Maze.

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  • #3
    Quote from Uii

    Planeswalker's guide
    Furthermore, it's Dragon's Maze.


    Really? Must not have caught that...either way, we're in for epicness.
    That was a typo. I fixed it.

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  • #4
    Woot Civil War. Maybe there will be more cards like Ultimate Price that care if you are gold or not. Even on both sides. Cards that hose gold cards as well as cards that hose mono colored to represent the struggle.
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  • #5
    Quote from Tap4Red
    . Cards that hose gold cards as well as cards that hose mono colored to represent the struggle.

    An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.

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  • #6
    Quote from MrMunchlax
    An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.


    I would say it was possible, but the major problem there-in is the fact that Dissension already brought the split cards back and there are unlikely to repeat themselves.
  • #7
    Quote from MrMunchlax
    An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.


    Quote from MrMunchlax
    Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.


    Quote from MrMunchlax
    with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely,


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    other supporting rebels.


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    rebels.


    I hope at least some of the Gateless have the Rebel creature type. It would be so sweet.
  • #8
    That seem's legit. I may like the Orzhov a LOT, but if given a choice i would back the Guildless.
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  • #9
    Quote from MrMunchlax
    An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.


    One side of the split card monocolored and the other multicolored. That would be something new!
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  • #10
    Quote from Uii
    Wasn't this mentioned in Planeswalker's guide? That aside, it's pretty much going to happen in the next set. But given how Wizards has all but given up on consistent storylines as of Innistrad, it's hard to see the impact.

    Furthermore, it's Dragon's Maze.


    How exactly was the Innistrad story not consistent and cohesive?
  • #11
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    How exactly was the Innistrad story not consistent and cohesive?


    Exactly by way of taking away any in depth story via novels or comic that covers the entire breadth of a block, as opposed to the scraps of vignettes and flavor text it's been reduced to. In no way did I mean the plot behind Innistrad was lacking. It was the delivery and the density in which it was portrayed was. Of course, Return to Ravnica attempts to remedy this with The Secretist, but the novel there is almost inacessible outside of the Kindle.

    Basically, the take home message is: The story's there, but there's not enough of it being told.

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  • #12
    Every spoiler we get, every article posted, I get a little more upset that we haven't heard anything new about the Gateless except the periodical flavor text reminding us that they exist.

    I dunno, maybe I'm being silly, but I thought as this set was called Gatecrash there would be more info on them by now. I know they need to pander to the fans of each guild, but there are between 2 and 4 articles posted every week day on the mothership. They could have thrown one to the Gateless. I'm seeing more and more why the rebels feel so disillusioned. Slant
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  • #13
    My gut is telling me that they'll pull another Faction VS Faction during the 3rd set, something along the lines of the guilded against the guildless, seems pretty fun
  • #14
    Quote from Tap4Red
    Woot Civil War. Maybe there will be more cards like Ultimate Price that care if you are gold or not. Even on both sides. Cards that hose gold cards as well as cards that hose mono colored to represent the struggle.


    I hope this doesn't count as me necroposting, but this seems to have actually proven to be the case given some of the cards just revealed in the full Gatecrash spoiler, namely Guildscorn Ward (among others).
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  • #15
    Quote from SyntheticDreamer
    I hope this doesn't count as me necroposting, but this seems to have actually proven to be the case given some of the cards just revealed in the full Gatecrash spoiler, namely Guildscorn Ward (among others).


    Nah, you have plenty of time before this would be necroing.

    Anyways, it's good to see more about the gateless come out. I really dig the denizen cycle too.
  • #16
    Judging by the flavor texts of spoiled cards, apparently there's a Gateless Movement going on, those who're unguilded band together to challenge the Ten. I wonder if this is the climax of Dragon's Maze?

    P.S.: And, from flavor texts, we can almost conclude that the Dragon's Maze is a result of Niv-Mizzet's planning all along.
  • #17
    This does seem like whats happening, but the novel implies that niv is discovering the maze and that it wasn't his creation.
  • #18
    Hm, technically he COULD have had a hand in the maze's creation and just forget about it. It's been 10 000 years... plus, as we saw in the novel, it's amazing what you can forget when you want to Smile
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  • #20
    Quote from Marek14
    Hm, technically he COULD have had a hand in the maze's creation and just forget about it. It's been 10 000 years... plus, as we saw in the novel, it's amazing what you can forget when you want to Smile


    Well, I don't think that Niv is that old a dragon. I mean... I think Nicol Bolas is ~25.000, afaik, and is considered the oldest being alive we know of. Second being Liliana with, I think about 4.500 years.

    So it'd be more likely that Bolas had his fingers in that, but as we know that this time this isn't the case...
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  • #21
    Quote from drakelordphil
    Well, I don't think that Niv is that old a dragon. I mean... I think Nicol Bolas is ~25.000, afaik, and is considered the oldest being alive we know of. Second being Liliana with, I think about 4.500 years.

    So it'd be more likely that Bolas had his fingers in that, but as we know that this time this isn't the case...



    From what i heard Liliana is 200 or so years old.
  • #22
    Quote from drakelordphil
    Well, I don't think that Niv is that old a dragon. I mean... I think Nicol Bolas is ~25.000, afaik, and is considered the oldest being alive we know of. Second being Liliana with, I think about 4.500 years.

    So it'd be more likely that Bolas had his fingers in that, but as we know that this time this isn't the case...


    In terms of age, considering 'walkers only: Bolas > Sorin > Karn (this is an assumption based on the fact that Urza and Co never encountered the Eldrazi so far as we know, but it may be the other way around) > Probably Vess (For one or two we aren't certain of the age) > Everyone else.

    However Emrakul has got to be pretty darn old. Avacyn is in the same ballpark as Sorin - If a touch younger. Then there are Spirits from Kamagawa and other similar Spirits, Angels, Demons and so on from other worlds.


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  • #23
    Quote from drakelordphil
    Well, I don't think that Niv is that old a dragon. I mean... I think Nicol Bolas is ~25.000, afaik, and is considered the oldest being alive we know of. Second being Liliana with, I think about 4.500 years.

    So it'd be more likely that Bolas had his fingers in that, but as we know that this time this isn't the case...


    If I am not mistaken, Guildpact was signed 10000 years ago and Niv-Mizzet was already Izzet's parun at that time.
  • #24
    "Niv-Mizzet is the draconic leader and parun of the Izzet League and is at least 15,000 years old"
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  • #25
    Interestingly there are also a few flavor texts that mention the guild leaders exploring the past: Shielded Passage and Serene Remembrance.

    My guess is that the "gateless" are becoming a big problem and the guilds are looking for a way to regain their control of Ravnica, with one of their first ideas being to try and re-establish the Guildpact.
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