Well, I have pieced together a theory using Fencing Ace and Firemane Avenger (thumbnail) about the plot of Gatecrash. While being a totally unrelated pair, they share common hints in their flavor text.
Firemane Avenger: Firemane Nevena led the victorious assault on the Barbu Rooftop rebels. Now the Gateless have marked her for death. Fencing Ace: His prowess gives the guildless hope that they can hold out against tyranny.
Fencing Ace hints at some guildless group fighting against tyranny, presumably guilds. Firemane Avenger's flavor text talks about Boros fighting against "Gateless," which I believe are very likely guildless rebels. Given these two texts, I believe that In GTC and Dragon's Maze we will find a conflict of guilds vs. guildless. Thoughts?
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Caw Blade is based on the ancient powerful strategy of equipping Storm Crow with Worldslayer, blowing everything up, punching your opponent in the face, stealing his cards, and running away. This new deck is a mere shell of the original caw blade's power.
Wasn't this mentioned in Planeswalker's guide? That aside, it's pretty much going to happen in the next set. But given how Wizards has all but given up on consistent storylines as of Innistrad, it's hard to see the impact.
Really? Must not have caught that...either way, we're in for epicness.
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Caw Blade is based on the ancient powerful strategy of equipping Storm Crow with Worldslayer, blowing everything up, punching your opponent in the face, stealing his cards, and running away. This new deck is a mere shell of the original caw blade's power.
Woot Civil War. Maybe there will be more cards like Ultimate Price that care if you are gold or not. Even on both sides. Cards that hose gold cards as well as cards that hose mono colored to represent the struggle.
. Cards that hose gold cards as well as cards that hose mono colored to represent the struggle.
An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.
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Caw Blade is based on the ancient powerful strategy of equipping Storm Crow with Worldslayer, blowing everything up, punching your opponent in the face, stealing his cards, and running away. This new deck is a mere shell of the original caw blade's power.
An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.
I would say it was possible, but the major problem there-in is the fact that Dissension already brought the split cards back and there are unlikely to repeat themselves.
An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.
The effect could prove so discombobulating to combo players, in particularly, they may fizzle and run away screaming. "From that day the Curse of the Plateau was upon me, and I found every hand I ever pull from a combo deck is a mulligan."
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An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.
One side of the split card monocolored and the other multicolored. That would be something new!
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Wasn't this mentioned in Planeswalker's guide? That aside, it's pretty much going to happen in the next set. But given how Wizards has all but given up on consistent storylines as of Innistrad, it's hard to see the impact.
Furthermore, it's Dragon's Maze.
How exactly was the Innistrad story not consistent and cohesive?
How exactly was the Innistrad story not consistent and cohesive?
Exactly by way of taking away any in depth story via novels or comic that covers the entire breadth of a block, as opposed to the scraps of vignettes and flavor text it's been reduced to. In no way did I mean the plot behind Innistrad was lacking. It was the delivery and the density in which it was portrayed was. Of course, Return to Ravnica attempts to remedy this with The Secretist, but the novel there is almost inacessible outside of the Kindle.
Basically, the take home message is: The story's there, but there's not enough of it being told.
Every spoiler we get, every article posted, I get a little more upset that we haven't heard anything new about the Gateless except the periodical flavor text reminding us that they exist.
I dunno, maybe I'm being silly, but I thought as this set was called Gatecrash there would be more info on them by now. I know they need to pander to the fans of each guild, but there are between 2 and 4 articles posted every week day on the mothership. They could have thrown one to the Gateless. I'm seeing more and more why the rebels feel so disillusioned.
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My gut is telling me that they'll pull another Faction VS Faction during the 3rd set, something along the lines of the guilded against the guildless, seems pretty fun
Woot Civil War. Maybe there will be more cards like Ultimate Price that care if you are gold or not. Even on both sides. Cards that hose gold cards as well as cards that hose mono colored to represent the struggle.
I hope this doesn't count as me necroposting, but this seems to have actually proven to be the case given some of the cards just revealed in the full Gatecrash spoiler, namely Guildscorn Ward (among others).
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I hope this doesn't count as me necroposting, but this seems to have actually proven to be the case given some of the cards just revealed in the full Gatecrash spoiler, namely Guildscorn Ward (among others).
Nah, you have plenty of time before this would be necroing.
Anyways, it's good to see more about the gateless come out. I really dig the denizen cycle too.
Judging by the flavor texts of spoiled cards, apparently there's a Gateless Movement going on, those who're unguilded band together to challenge the Ten. I wonder if this is the climax of Dragon's Maze?
P.S.: And, from flavor texts, we can almost conclude that the Dragon's Maze is a result of Niv-Mizzet's planning all along.
Hm, technically he COULD have had a hand in the maze's creation and just forget about it. It's been 10 000 years... plus, as we saw in the novel, it's amazing what you can forget when you want to
Well, I don't think that Niv is that old a dragon. I mean... I think Nicol Bolas is ~25.000, afaik, and is considered the oldest being alive we know of. Second being Liliana with, I think about 4.500 years.
So it'd be more likely that Bolas had his fingers in that, but as we know that this time this isn't the case...
If I am not mistaken, Guildpact was signed 10000 years ago and Niv-Mizzet was already Izzet's parun at that time.
Interestingly there are also a few flavor texts that mention the guild leaders exploring the past: Shielded Passage and Serene Remembrance.
My guess is that the "gateless" are becoming a big problem and the guilds are looking for a way to regain their control of Ravnica, with one of their first ideas being to try and re-establish the Guildpact.
I think it's pretty cool the Boros's angels are defecting to protect the gateless. With the flavor text from Knight Watch, some of the Boros are jerks.
no dragon maze i think is all about niv mizzet finding what he was looking for. in the flavor texts of ravnica the izzet are searching for something which makes an imbalance in the other guilds beleiving that it may be a weapon that will give the izzet power(an example is the flavor text from the ravnica card roughs passage). This starts the whole guild tention into the war. rakdos i dont really think cares he just wants destruction. anyways in gatecrash we see that with the imbalance that ordinary folks are suffering causing the people such as angels, giants, humans to start defending them. This creates the guildless protectors. With dragon maze i beleive that the izzet will either come to discover the thing they were looking for but its just a rare book or long lost ore(something where everyone goes you serious). then the guild pact goes back to normal and peace returns between the 10 guilds. Or there will be a huge conflict and strugle over what the izzet finds which will allow wizards to return to ravnica again in the future. but i doubt wizards will go back too ravnica for a 3rd time
One thing I don't understand... why is the movement called the "Gateless" rather than the "Guildless"?
The focus in RTR was a return to the guilds, and the gates were both minor and as far as I could tell, unexplained. How are they suddenly important enough to name your movement after them, and more importantly, why is this a good name for a movement against the guilds by the guildless?
All the references to Gateless in the flavor text of the recently revealed cards is bothering me :/
One thing I don't understand... why is the movement called the "Gateless" rather than the "Guildless"?
The focus in RTR was a return to the guilds, and the gates were both minor and as far as I could tell, unexplained. How are they suddenly important enough to name your movement after them, and more importantly, why is this a good name for a movement against the guilds by the guildless?
All the references to Gateless in the flavor text of the recently revealed cards is bothering me :/
Because the gates are symbolic of the guilds so "gateless" and "guildless" basically are the same thing.
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Firemane Avenger:
Firemane Nevena led the victorious assault on the Barbu Rooftop rebels. Now the Gateless have marked her for death.
Fencing Ace:
His prowess gives the guildless hope that they can hold out against tyranny.
Fencing Ace hints at some guildless group fighting against tyranny, presumably guilds. Firemane Avenger's flavor text talks about Boros fighting against "Gateless," which I believe are very likely guildless rebels. Given these two texts, I believe that In GTC and Dragon's Maze we will find a conflict of guilds vs. guildless. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by DallasM
Caw Blade is based on the ancient powerful strategy of equipping Storm Crow with Worldslayer, blowing everything up, punching your opponent in the face, stealing his cards, and running away. This new deck is a mere shell of the original caw blade's power.
Furthermore, it's Dragon's Maze.
Really? Must not have caught that...either way, we're in for epicness.
That was a typo. I fixed it.
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Originally Posted by DallasM
Caw Blade is based on the ancient powerful strategy of equipping Storm Crow with Worldslayer, blowing everything up, punching your opponent in the face, stealing his cards, and running away. This new deck is a mere shell of the original caw blade's power.
An interesting thought, those type of cards would certainly do a fine job of depicting the struggle. Maybe even the split cards(like Fire/Ice) would return, with one half strengthening guilds and the other supporting rebels. Unlikely, but a cool idea.
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Originally Posted by DallasM
Caw Blade is based on the ancient powerful strategy of equipping Storm Crow with Worldslayer, blowing everything up, punching your opponent in the face, stealing his cards, and running away. This new deck is a mere shell of the original caw blade's power.
I would say it was possible, but the major problem there-in is the fact that Dissension already brought the split cards back and there are unlikely to repeat themselves.
I hope at least some of the Gateless have the Rebel creature type. It would be so sweet.
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One side of the split card monocolored and the other multicolored. That would be something new!
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How exactly was the Innistrad story not consistent and cohesive?
Exactly by way of taking away any in depth story via novels or comic that covers the entire breadth of a block, as opposed to the scraps of vignettes and flavor text it's been reduced to. In no way did I mean the plot behind Innistrad was lacking. It was the delivery and the density in which it was portrayed was. Of course, Return to Ravnica attempts to remedy this with The Secretist, but the novel there is almost inacessible outside of the Kindle.
Basically, the take home message is: The story's there, but there's not enough of it being told.
I dunno, maybe I'm being silly, but I thought as this set was called Gatecrash there would be more info on them by now. I know they need to pander to the fans of each guild, but there are between 2 and 4 articles posted every week day on the mothership. They could have thrown one to the Gateless. I'm seeing more and more why the rebels feel so disillusioned.
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And trying to decide what my next EDH will be.
I am a :symg::symrg::symr::symur::symu::symug: 'walker all the way.
I hope this doesn't count as me necroposting, but this seems to have actually proven to be the case given some of the cards just revealed in the full Gatecrash spoiler, namely Guildscorn Ward (among others).
Nah, you have plenty of time before this would be necroing.
Anyways, it's good to see more about the gateless come out. I really dig the denizen cycle too.
P.S.: And, from flavor texts, we can almost conclude that the Dragon's Maze is a result of Niv-Mizzet's planning all along.
If I am not mistaken, Guildpact was signed 10000 years ago and Niv-Mizzet was already Izzet's parun at that time.
My guess is that the "gateless" are becoming a big problem and the guilds are looking for a way to regain their control of Ravnica, with one of their first ideas being to try and re-establish the Guildpact.
The focus in RTR was a return to the guilds, and the gates were both minor and as far as I could tell, unexplained. How are they suddenly important enough to name your movement after them, and more importantly, why is this a good name for a movement against the guilds by the guildless?
All the references to Gateless in the flavor text of the recently revealed cards is bothering me :/
Because the gates are symbolic of the guilds so "gateless" and "guildless" basically are the same thing.
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