The Eldrazi were imprisoned within Zendikar by three planeswalkers: Sorin Markov, who has now been explored and developed very thoroughly; Ugin, a spirit dragon who has been mentioned several times in the game, but never actually appeared; and an "unnamed lithomancer" (stone mage), about whom absolutely nothing is known.
Therefore, I obviously am very curious about that lithomancer: who are they, from where did they originate, what is the exact nature of their powers, and, most importantly, what are their current whereabouts?
Is anyone else here interested to learn more about the "unnamed lithomancer?" What are your guesses about their identity and abilities? Do you believe that WotC shall ever reveal more information about this character?
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The Eldrazi were imprisoned within Zendikar by three planeswalkers: Sorin Markov, who has now been explored and developed very thoroughly; Ugin, a spirit dragon who has been mentioned several times in the game, but never actually appeared; and an "unnamed lithomancer" (stone mage), about whom absolutely nothing is known.
Therefore, I obviously am very curious about that lithomancer: who are they, from where did they originate, what is the exact nature of their powers, and, most importantly, what are their current whereabouts?
Is anyone else here interested to learn more about the "unnamed lithomancer?" What are your guesses about their identity and abilities? Do you believe that WotC shall ever reveal more information about this character?
They probably left it open ended because they didn't yet have a plan for him. I expect that next time we see the Eldrazi they'll go more into his or her identity, just cause people are curious, but at the moment I really doubt creative has given a lot of thought to it, unless he/she is another already existing planeswalker and they didn't want to give it away yet. Seems kind of pointless to speculate on with how little information we have on him/her at the moment.
Some baseless speculation just for the fun of it: stone mage kinda makes me think of artifacts, so maybe who ever invented etherium. I never read test of metal, but maybe a storyline guru will have more information and be able to explain why that is or isn't a possibility.
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penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
I am hoping that the lithomancer is a dwarf, because dwarves are often portrayed in both classical and modern fantasy as being associated with stone, and dwarves are very underrepresented in M:tG currently.
No, as this discussion here states that Koth is too young to be the Lithomancer. Whoever he or she is, they are likely to be very old and venerable at this time.
Can't have been, he wouldn't have even been born yet, let alone a planeswalker of that kind of power.
From the salvation wiki:
Koth is a red Vulshok planeswalker of the Hammer tribe, though his parents hail from two different tribes, making him what is known as an alloy amongst the vulshok. A native of Mirrodin, he ascended during the time of the Phyrexian conquest of the plane.
The phyrexian takeover of Mirrodin didn't happen until after the Eldrazi escaped from their prison on Zendikar, so there's no way Koth could possibly have been on Zendikar to imprison them, since his spark didn't ignite until after they escaped. Also, Vulshok are an evolutionary offshoot of humans (close enough that they have the creature type human) and have life spans comparable to those of humans, so there is no way he could have been alive all those years ago.
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"I am confident that if anyone actually
penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
I imagine they'll reveal more information about as soon as they reveal the source of the Sundering or the Thousandfold Reflection. Sooner will likely be the origin of the slivers.
Dear gods, NO. Koth is NOwhere near old enough to pass for that; were he, he either wouldn't be from Mirrodin, he would've been involved in a time warp, or, in the very least, Memnarch wouldn't have cared so much about Glissa.
Granted, his very existence to me instantly screams "stand-in", as in the ritual will be recreated at some point with him as the lithomancer to be used, but he isn't involved with Zendikar at all at this point.
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I am hoping that the lithomancer is a dwarf, because dwarves are often portrayed in both classical and modern fantasy as being associated with stone, and dwarves are very underrepresented in M:tG currently.
the bolded part is why the lithomancer won't be a dwarf. There's a whole article on the mothership about why they don't really like dwarves as a magic race, I'll see if I can find it.
"I am confident that if anyone actually
penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
When you ask a question, it is customary for people to answer.
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"I am confident that if anyone actually
penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
Frankly, I'm rather happy that we don't have too many dwarves in Magic. Not every fantasy setting needs the standard "Humans, elves, dwarves, hobbitshalflings kithkin, goblins" thing set up by Tolkien and D&D. We already have three of those on a consistent basis, we don't need the other two.
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Depends on how Eldrazi will be dealt with this time. If the lithomancer will be required again, it's likely that the previous one will be mentioned (or will return, since either that or Koth will do work - but doesn't he require metal to be present in rocks to do his magic? - or new lithomancer will appear who will clash for the title "earthmage" with Koth). If they will be killed off completely - which will lead to major x_x since three oldwalkers couldn't do the trick - then the previous attempts could be handwaved.
And Ugin is "dealt with" by Bolas, so either he's gone forever or will appear in "The Greater Plan" tm.
Depends on how Eldrazi will be dealt with this time. If the lithomancer will be required again, it's likely that the previous one will be mentioned (or will return, since either that or Koth will do work - but doesn't he require metal to be present in rocks to do his magic? - or new lithomancer will appear who will clash for the title "earthmage" with Koth). If they will be killed off completely - which will lead to major x_x since three oldwalkers couldn't do the trick - then the previous attempts could be handwaved.
Are you saying that the lithomancer is important only through his or her relationship to the Eldrazi (i.e., his or her role in imprisoning them), not in his or her own right?
And Ugin is "dealt with" by Bolas, so either he's gone forever or will appear in "The Greater Plan" tm.
I also am very displeased about how WotC handled Ugin, as well; they introduce him in the backstory of the Eldrazi, but then say that Bolas "dealt with him" before he ever has even a proper appearance; that is simply terrible writing, in my mind.
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“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
I know it is a long shot, but I would love for if too be Arcanis The Omnipotent, since at least classically Lithomancy is more about divining the future through the reflection of light off of stones, which seems very blue in abilities too me.
I know it is a long shot, but I would love for if too be Arcanis The Omnipotent, since at least classically Lithomancy is more about divining the future through the reflection of light off of stones, which seems very blue in abilities too me.
1. Not a planeswalker.
2. Not old enough.
3. "-mancy" means divination in real world. Any form of it - pyromancy, necromancy, geomancy, etc. In Fiction it means just "magic", so necromancer is someone who wields death magic not just someone who talks with the dead to learn about the future, and so on. You should not expect the Lithomancer to be a diviner for the same reason you don't expect Chandra the Pyromancer to see the future with her fire.
What we know the Lithomancer did:
* Forced the Eldrazi to assume physical form
* Created the Hedrons to keep the Eldrazi imprisoned.
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Therefore, I obviously am very curious about that lithomancer: who are they, from where did they originate, what is the exact nature of their powers, and, most importantly, what are their current whereabouts?
Is anyone else here interested to learn more about the "unnamed lithomancer?" What are your guesses about their identity and abilities? Do you believe that WotC shall ever reveal more information about this character?
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
They probably left it open ended because they didn't yet have a plan for him. I expect that next time we see the Eldrazi they'll go more into his or her identity, just cause people are curious, but at the moment I really doubt creative has given a lot of thought to it, unless he/she is another already existing planeswalker and they didn't want to give it away yet. Seems kind of pointless to speculate on with how little information we have on him/her at the moment.
Some baseless speculation just for the fun of it: stone mage kinda makes me think of artifacts, so maybe who ever invented etherium. I never read test of metal, but maybe a storyline guru will have more information and be able to explain why that is or isn't a possibility.
"I am confident that if anyone actually
penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
No, as this discussion here states that Koth is too young to be the Lithomancer. Whoever he or she is, they are likely to be very old and venerable at this time.
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
Can't have been, he wouldn't have even been born yet, let alone a planeswalker of that kind of power.
From the salvation wiki:
Koth is a red Vulshok planeswalker of the Hammer tribe, though his parents hail from two different tribes, making him what is known as an alloy amongst the vulshok. A native of Mirrodin, he ascended during the time of the Phyrexian conquest of the plane.
The phyrexian takeover of Mirrodin didn't happen until after the Eldrazi escaped from their prison on Zendikar, so there's no way Koth could possibly have been on Zendikar to imprison them, since his spark didn't ignite until after they escaped. Also, Vulshok are an evolutionary offshoot of humans (close enough that they have the creature type human) and have life spans comparable to those of humans, so there is no way he could have been alive all those years ago.
"I am confident that if anyone actually
penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
Dear gods, NO. Koth is NOwhere near old enough to pass for that; were he, he either wouldn't be from Mirrodin, he would've been involved in a time warp, or, in the very least, Memnarch wouldn't have cared so much about Glissa.
Granted, his very existence to me instantly screams "stand-in", as in the ritual will be recreated at some point with him as the lithomancer to be used, but he isn't involved with Zendikar at all at this point.
About any "subpar" mechanics or cards: Context is king.
If I make a templating or grammar error, let me know.
The franchise MtG most resembles is Battlestar Galactica. Why? Its players exist in, at most, a dozen different models at any given point in time, with perhaps up to 3% variation, 5% if you're lucky.
the bolded part is why the lithomancer won't be a dwarf. There's a whole article on the mothership about why they don't really like dwarves as a magic race, I'll see if I can find it.
EDIT: Found it.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mc14
"I am confident that if anyone actually
penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
Argh!!! Attack of the Vorthos!!!
When you ask a question, it is customary for people to answer.
"I am confident that if anyone actually
penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
hobbitshalflingskithkin, goblins" thing set up by Tolkien and D&D. We already have three of those on a consistent basis, we don't need the other two.Thanks to Rivenor of Miraculous Recovery Signatures!
And Ugin is "dealt with" by Bolas, so either he's gone forever or will appear in "The Greater Plan" tm.
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Are you saying that the lithomancer is important only through his or her relationship to the Eldrazi (i.e., his or her role in imprisoning them), not in his or her own right?
I also am very displeased about how WotC handled Ugin, as well; they introduce him in the backstory of the Eldrazi, but then say that Bolas "dealt with him" before he ever has even a proper appearance; that is simply terrible writing, in my mind.
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“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
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1. Not a planeswalker.
2. Not old enough.
3. "-mancy" means divination in real world. Any form of it - pyromancy, necromancy, geomancy, etc. In Fiction it means just "magic", so necromancer is someone who wields death magic not just someone who talks with the dead to learn about the future, and so on. You should not expect the Lithomancer to be a diviner for the same reason you don't expect Chandra the Pyromancer to see the future with her fire.
What we know the Lithomancer did:
* Forced the Eldrazi to assume physical form
* Created the Hedrons to keep the Eldrazi imprisoned.