- the dragon wars
- his falling out with Ugin (which could lead to #1, or be combined with)
- his fight with the leviathan
- him sparking
- him striking down Ugin
as major events the pace is once again too slow in my book not to rush
This story continues to be excellent. I like this author. I enjoy her style and voice. I love the story she's telling.
I noted the existence of bronze shields. We are now in Dominaria's Bronze Age, and probably at the very beginning of it (nothing as advanced as Egypt's pyramids or Sumer's ziggurats seem to feature here. There are stone-slab buildings, thatched roofs, and palisades, but nothing much beyond that yet. Still, agriculture has taken root by this point.
Points I'm curious about:
Is this the first city on Dominaria?
Is Arcades Sabboth the founder of Dominarian civilization?
Did agriculture and bronze smithing exist before Sabboth showed up? How much of the technology we saw here was imparted by the dragon? I ask because it seems only a few years seem to have passed between this week's and last week's stories, but last week's world felt even more primitive.
It did read like that, but we need to keep in mind that these sections of the story are from Ugin's point of view. As a being over 20,000 years old, to him the span of centuries would feel like only a few years as we reckon them.
At least in the stories Palladia-Mors seems to be more Jund than the actual Jund elder. And you could argue that there is some W in Vaevictis since he's part/the leader of a mob (a "community" in a pretty primitive sense) that fiercely defends its territory.
Its interesting how the Red/Green/White characters/factions so far are conqueror archetypes like the Sun Empire and Johan. Basically Red/Green's ferocity applied with White structure, that almost makes it indistinguishable from Black ambition.
At least in the stories Palladia-Mors seems to be more Jund than the actual Jund elder. And you could argue that there is some W in Vaevictis since he's part/the leader of a mob (a "community" in a pretty primitive sense) that fiercely defends its territory.
Well, she didn't immediately run them off like Vaevictus, appeared to deliberately miss Ugin and Bolas with every 'attack' at them, offered them the beast she hunted, and let them practice hunting in her territory (taking their first kill without threatening them).
She taught them to hunt like her through example and without coddling, never once making any attempt to actually harm them or drive them off (just anger them so they try harder). To me, it seems a lot like white's focus on the importance of kin and community when viewed through a very red-green lens.
Given Bolas's almost single-minded obsession with his sister's death at the hands of humans, suddenly his rampaging, modern-day extermination of Clan Umezawa and everyone that had anything to do with them suddenly makes a whole lot of sense. If he gets this mad when humans kill a sister dragon he barely even knew, I can only imagine his wrath when he came back after being killed by Tetsuo.
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"I'd rather die speaking the truth than live a lie." --Gix, to Yawgmoth (pre-Phyrexia)
I really enjoyed this story, though it was a bit preposterous to expect that I believed some Ojutai monk had memorized those exact words.
But still... The history of the early days of the elder dragons is a fascinating thing to read. I could probably read hundreds of pages from their perspective.
Can someone refresh my mediocre recollection? There are more than six 'elder dragons' right now in the story, yes? And then an Elder Dragon war happens? Is my recollection correct that the losing dragons were stripped of their wings and limbs and became wurms, or is that 'apocryphal' in the magic story sense?
I really enjoyed this story, though it was a bit preposterous to expect that I believed some Ojutai monk had memorized those exact words.
Its not that hard to believe once you realize that the Illiad was traditionally recited from memory by Greek storytellers in exactly the same fashion. As were all the classic Greek myths and epic poems, even after writing was invented. After all, most Greeks couldn't actually read. In fact, poetry was probably invented to be a mnemonic device to help people learn everything from instructions to, yes, epic stories. And its not the only culture that passed down such lengthy stories orally. In pre-literate societies it was the only way to preserve histories and myths. There are societies where stories could be so long the storyteller had to recite it from memory over the course of days (again, like the Illiad). But because we are taught how to read from a very early age, we underestimate how much of a story can be memorized down to the last word. But it is indeed doable. And it gets easier if you've practiced reciting the story since childhood, like many of us have unwittingly done with many fairy tales and children's stories. Actors also have to do something similar with their lines and stage directions, especially stage actors. Once you are on camera or in front of a live audience, the script must be in your head, not your hands.
So yeah, I'm actually really liking this as a framing device for the story. That the Jeskai preserved Ugin's story orally not only makes Tarkir feel more real, I love the implication that we are hearing a story which will eventually be passed down to Narset by the Temur shamans, who in turn will pass it down to Tamyo and her children on Kamigawa! Now imagine if the Story Circle shared it with Teferi or someone else who could bring things full circle and fill in a major gap in Dominarian history.
Can someone refresh my mediocre recollection? There are more than six 'elder dragons' right now in the story, yes? And then an Elder Dragon war happens? Is my recollection correct that the losing dragons were stripped of their wings and limbs and became wurms, or is that 'apocryphal' in the magic story sense?
There were always at least six (Piru is from oldest canon, for example).
The wurm thing is mostly apocryphal (basically a deleted site's tidbit, who happened to belong to one of the original staff), but it has been so well incorporated into MTG fan lore and not disputed by Creative as to be basically official canon.
You know they came about after he was defeated right? They very well could be manifestations of his memories of how he remembers his siblings. Difficult to tie them out though. No clue what the story significance would be.
With Ugin being the omitted one since he's the one dreaming/remembering. Something like that.
He created them long before he was defeated by Bolas, although they didn't become true Elder Dragons until his hibernation. But I do think the Tarkir Elders were formed in the image of the Dominaria Elders, whether it was intentional on Ugin's part or just a reflection of his subconscious thoughts. Either way, I get a sense that they're replicas, albeit very flawed ones, imperfect almost to the point of caricature.
Dromoka is similar to Arcades, but without the understanding that comes with Blue. Her Green focus on the natural order and her White focus on purity are exaggerated to the point of being all-consuming obsessions, leading to her intolerant, xenophobic, and expansionist behavior.
Ojutai is similar to Chromium, but without the detachment that comes with Black. Much like Azor, he feels certain that his way is the only right way, and has a pathological need to make sure that everyone else adopts his way of thinking. Chromium is known as the Mutable, but Ojutai is rigidly unchanging, to the point where it's practically his defining quality.
Silumgar is similar to Nicol, but without the hedonism or the willingness to take risks that come with Red. Bolas likes to indulge himself when he's in a position of power and revel in his victories, and he understands that sometimes you need to take risks and expend resources to gain more power in the long run. Bolas also seems to care about freedom (at least in the sense that he values his own freedom to do whatever he wants, even at the expense of other people's freedom) and he's displayed a pathological aversion to being trapped or limited in any way. Silumgar, on the other hand, is completely risk-averse and utterly incapable of enjoying himself. He just sits in his lair all day, paranoid and miserable, greedily hoarding everything he has without actually using any of it to do anything. He's almost a literal prisoner of his own greed and cowardice.
Atarka is very similar to Palladia, to the point of virtually being the same character. Granted, Palladia's attitude seems more Gruul than Naya, since I don't really see much White in her. But Atarka's Green and Red traits are taken to a ridiculous extreme, where she's so driven by instinct and impulse that she's literally incapable of doing anything but constantly eating, to the point where she's a threat to her own long-term survival due to the mass extinctions her feeding frenzies cause.
I don't see much similarity between Kolaghan and Vaevictus, but maybe Ugin didn't care about Vaevictus enough to replicate him, since he was a cousin and not a sibling? Or maybe he just didn't know Vaevictus well enough to even create a twisted funhouse mirror version of him.
The one note Ugin makes about Vaevictus is that he and his siblings, "furiously guarded a territory they claimed for their own hunting grounds even though it had plenty of space and game enough for many hunters to cull."
Kolaghan drives her clan about the hills and steppes of Tarkhir. They travel from place to place, quickly taking what they can/want before moving on to the next target. As such, Kolaghan also operates within a particularly large hunting area, though one with far less sustenance.
The difference between the two color-wise seems to be reflected in their choice of territories. Vaevictus and his siblings settled in or took an area with more than enough game to sustain themselves (more green), viciously defended it, and left surrounding areas alone. On the other hand, Kolaghan took an area with scarce resources (less green), viciously defended it, and necessarily raided surrounding areas for resources.
Ugin also calls Vaevictus ugly. Perhaps Kolaghan is ugly as well.
Can someone refresh my mediocre recollection? There are more than six 'elder dragons' right now in the story, yes? And then an Elder Dragon war happens? Is my recollection correct that the losing dragons were stripped of their wings and limbs and became wurms, or is that 'apocryphal' in the magic story sense?
There were always at least six (Piru is from oldest canon, for example).
The wurm thing is mostly apocryphal (basically a deleted site's tidbit, who happened to belong to one of the original staff), but it has been so well incorporated into MTG fan lore and not disputed by Creative as to be basically official canon.
The wurm thing slowly creeped into canon: in the Jedit trilogy is told that legends say that the desert wurm are fallen dragons.
I wonder if we'll meet Piru--the Dominaria story references Dakkon's Blackblade killing an elder dragon, which seems to substantiate that Piru's death is still canonical. I guess it will depend how much of the Dragon War we see!
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I really enjoyed this story, though it was a bit preposterous to expect that I believed some Ojutai monk had memorized those exact words.
Its not that hard to believe once you realize that the Illiad was traditionally recited from memory by Greek storytellers in exactly the same fashion. As were all the classic Greek myths and epic poems, even after writing was invented. After all, most Greeks couldn't actually read. In fact, poetry was probably invented to be a mnemonic device to help people learn everything from instructions to, yes, epic stories. And its not the only culture that passed down such lengthy stories orally. In pre-literate societies it was the only way to preserve histories and myths. There are societies where stories could be so long the storyteller had to recite it from memory over the course of days (again, like the Illiad). But because we are taught how to read from a very early age, we underestimate how much of a story can be memorized down to the last word. But it is indeed doable. And it gets easier if you've practiced reciting the story since childhood, like many of us have unwittingly done with many fairy tales and children's stories. Actors also have to do something similar with their lines and stage directions, especially stage actors. Once you are on camera or in front of a live audience, the script must be in your head, not your hands.
So yeah, I'm actually really liking this as a framing device for the story. That the Jeskai preserved Ugin's story orally not only makes Tarkir feel more real, I love the implication that we are hearing a story which will eventually be passed down to Narset by the Temur shamans, who in turn will pass it down to Tamyo and her children on Kamigawa! Now imagine if the Story Circle shared it with Teferi or someone else who could bring things full circle and fill in a major gap in Dominarian history.
This would actually be very potent and interesting in Tamiyo’s hands.
-We know that Tamiyo is likely gonna make an appearance on Ravnica due to some poster art
-we know that Tamiyo’s magic incorporates stories, and oral and written traditions in addition to hear skills of deduction and observation.
I wonder how potent the story of an Elder Dragon’s birth, coming of age, etc would be in the hands of such s mage?
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“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I really enjoyed this story, though it was a bit preposterous to expect that I believed some Ojutai monk had memorized those exact words.
Its not that hard to believe once you realize that the Illiad was traditionally recited from memory by Greek storytellers in exactly the same fashion. As were all the classic Greek myths and epic poems, even after writing was invented. After all, most Greeks couldn't actually read. In fact, poetry was probably invented to be a mnemonic device to help people learn everything from instructions to, yes, epic stories. And its not the only culture that passed down such lengthy stories orally. In pre-literate societies it was the only way to preserve histories and myths. There are societies where stories could be so long the storyteller had to recite it from memory over the course of days (again, like the Illiad). But because we are taught how to read from a very early age, we underestimate how much of a story can be memorized down to the last word. But it is indeed doable. And it gets easier if you've practiced reciting the story since childhood, like many of us have unwittingly done with many fairy tales and children's stories. Actors also have to do something similar with their lines and stage directions, especially stage actors. Once you are on camera or in front of a live audience, the script must be in your head, not your hands.
So yeah, I'm actually really liking this as a framing device for the story. That the Jeskai preserved Ugin's story orally not only makes Tarkir feel more real, I love the implication that we are hearing a story which will eventually be passed down to Narset by the Temur shamans, who in turn will pass it down to Tamyo and her children on Kamigawa! Now imagine if the Story Circle shared it with Teferi or someone else who could bring things full circle and fill in a major gap in Dominarian history.
This would actually be very potent and interesting in Tamiyo’s hands.
-We know that Tamiyo is likely gonna make an appearance on Ravnica due to some poster art
-we know that Tamiyo’s magic incorporates stories, and oral and written traditions in addition to hear skills of deduction and observation.
I wonder how potent the story of an Elder Dragon’s birth, coming of age, etc would be in the hands of such s mage?
Also gotta wonder if she has a story of anyone sparking, especially old walkers. I don't know if anyone in lore knows what causes walkers to spark or not. I'm not the savvy, but enough research could give Tamiyo a potent piece of information.
I really enjoyed this story, though it was a bit preposterous to expect that I believed some Ojutai monk had memorized those exact words.
Its not that hard to believe once you realize that the Illiad was traditionally recited from memory by Greek storytellers in exactly the same fashion. As were all the classic Greek myths and epic poems, even after writing was invented. After all, most Greeks couldn't actually read. In fact, poetry was probably invented to be a mnemonic device to help people learn everything from instructions to, yes, epic stories. And its not the only culture that passed down such lengthy stories orally. In pre-literate societies it was the only way to preserve histories and myths. There are societies where stories could be so long the storyteller had to recite it from memory over the course of days (again, like the Illiad). But because we are taught how to read from a very early age, we underestimate how much of a story can be memorized down to the last word. But it is indeed doable. And it gets easier if you've practiced reciting the story since childhood, like many of us have unwittingly done with many fairy tales and children's stories. Actors also have to do something similar with their lines and stage directions, especially stage actors. Once you are on camera or in front of a live audience, the script must be in your head, not your hands.
So yeah, I'm actually really liking this as a framing device for the story. That the Jeskai preserved Ugin's story orally not only makes Tarkir feel more real, I love the implication that we are hearing a story which will eventually be passed down to Narset by the Temur shamans, who in turn will pass it down to Tamyo and her children on Kamigawa! Now imagine if the Story Circle shared it with Teferi or someone else who could bring things full circle and fill in a major gap in Dominarian history.
This would actually be very potent and interesting in Tamiyo’s hands.
-We know that Tamiyo is likely gonna make an appearance on Ravnica due to some poster art
-we know that Tamiyo’s magic incorporates stories, and oral and written traditions in addition to hear skills of deduction and observation.
I wonder how potent the story of an Elder Dragon’s birth, coming of age, etc would be in the hands of such s mage?
Hmmmm.... It's entirely possible that Tamiyo might even have this story already. Narset was an Ojutai master and is a part of Tamiyo's story circle. This seems like just the type of story Tamiyo would be interested in and Narset could easily know it well enough to share it with her.
Today's story was okay. Still well-written, but didn't seem to move the ball too much. Why did Bolas take off from Arcades' digs like he figured out the secret of the universe last week? Still unknown.
But I guess we learned that Asmadi and his crew are four dragons? That would mean there are currently 10 known elder dragons in the story so far? Which could make for an even split in a war, if one happened.
Also, is Bolas referencing the Primevals? Does the Elder Dragon War leave the plane open to domination by the Primevals?
Also also, does dragon blood have some power? It's consistently described as honey-scented and humans in the flashback are trying to consume it. Seems like it may be special.
Also, is Bolas referencing the Primevals? Does the Elder Dragon War leave the plane open to domination by the Primevals?
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I think this could definitely be the case.
"Although I am sure those dragons are not really like us and our siblings. We are the first, after all, and thus the most powerful."
similar to
"I am older than they are, greater. I have devoured stars and shattered worlds."
It could still be other dragons that have no bearing on the story but it would be cool to have a more clear idea of how the primevals and elders tie together.
A reference to the fact that every clan had access to G or W Mana.
Before the Dragonlord ascension.
I also noticed that the rising tension and conflict between Ugin and Bolas parallels nicely with the rising tension and jealousy between the twin sisters.
While I’m unsure how exactly it’s gonna turn out, my bet is that something terrible is going to happen to Grandmother and the Shaman.
Leaving the Huntress as the next leader of her people, wracked by Survivor’s guilt and neatly tying up the fall of the Temur.
But the information will somehow be retained and discovered thousands of years later- possibly by Narset but I’m personally betting on Sarkhan Vol as he’s actually in the Core set.
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Wizards. listen. The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
Also, is Bolas referencing the Primevals? Does the Elder Dragon War leave the plane open to domination by the Primevals?
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I think this could definitely be the case.
"Although I am sure those dragons are not really like us and our siblings. We are the first, after all, and thus the most powerful."
similar to
"I am older than they are, greater. I have devoured stars and shattered worlds."
It could still be other dragons that have no bearing on the story but it would be cool to have a more clear idea of how the primevals and elders tie together.
The thing I find most interesting about the Primevals is how they become god-like together, but weaker apart. Not necessarily a tie-in to the 'teamwork' lessons in these stories, but it's interesting that the Primevals have that quality while the Elder Dragons don't.
I have very much enjoyed the history lesson style of these stories.
Tht being said, this episode is just......well not much. Nothing to miss if you didnt read this week.
Didnt move the ball at all and just wasted a episode on fluff that doesnt seem to matter.
Not sure why they keep doing this,,,,wasting a week of storyline. Just dissapointing and will force a much more rushed telling of important things later on. Oh well.
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We haven't gotten a real good description of Ugin yet in these stories, have we? Maybe I missed something (in the stories or on here), but he is not a "spirit" dragon yet, is he?
We've heard of the five survivors of the Dragon Wars, but Ugin would make six (ignore the Piru question at the moment)... unless he dies and is reborn as a (planeswalking) Spirit Dragon.
Thoughts?
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We haven't gotten a real good description of Ugin yet in these stories, have we? Maybe I missed something (in the stories or on here), but he is not a "spirit" dragon yet, is he?
We've heard of the five survivors of the Dragon Wars, but Ugin would make six (ignore the Piru question at the moment)... unless he dies and is reborn as a (planeswalking) Spirit Dragon.
Thoughts?
I'm on this bandwagon. I would think that Ugin is not technically alive and may have been killed before the end of the Dragon war...possibly by Bolas himself. Naming each other might have some significance with the survival of Ugin's spirit. The brothers may be tied to each other's destiny in a way that doesn't let Ugin's spirit move beyond. The events of Cux of fate may occur after Nicol is able to figure out a way to kill the spirit of Ugin.
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- the dragon wars
- his falling out with Ugin (which could lead to #1, or be combined with)
- his fight with the leviathan
- him sparking
- him striking down Ugin
as major events the pace is once again too slow in my book not to rush
It did read like that, but we need to keep in mind that these sections of the story are from Ugin's point of view. As a being over 20,000 years old, to him the span of centuries would feel like only a few years as we reckon them.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
Well, she didn't immediately run them off like Vaevictus, appeared to deliberately miss Ugin and Bolas with every 'attack' at them, offered them the beast she hunted, and let them practice hunting in her territory (taking their first kill without threatening them).
She taught them to hunt like her through example and without coddling, never once making any attempt to actually harm them or drive them off (just anger them so they try harder). To me, it seems a lot like white's focus on the importance of kin and community when viewed through a very red-green lens.
But still... The history of the early days of the elder dragons is a fascinating thing to read. I could probably read hundreds of pages from their perspective.
Its not that hard to believe once you realize that the Illiad was traditionally recited from memory by Greek storytellers in exactly the same fashion. As were all the classic Greek myths and epic poems, even after writing was invented. After all, most Greeks couldn't actually read. In fact, poetry was probably invented to be a mnemonic device to help people learn everything from instructions to, yes, epic stories. And its not the only culture that passed down such lengthy stories orally. In pre-literate societies it was the only way to preserve histories and myths. There are societies where stories could be so long the storyteller had to recite it from memory over the course of days (again, like the Illiad). But because we are taught how to read from a very early age, we underestimate how much of a story can be memorized down to the last word. But it is indeed doable. And it gets easier if you've practiced reciting the story since childhood, like many of us have unwittingly done with many fairy tales and children's stories. Actors also have to do something similar with their lines and stage directions, especially stage actors. Once you are on camera or in front of a live audience, the script must be in your head, not your hands.
So yeah, I'm actually really liking this as a framing device for the story. That the Jeskai preserved Ugin's story orally not only makes Tarkir feel more real, I love the implication that we are hearing a story which will eventually be passed down to Narset by the Temur shamans, who in turn will pass it down to Tamyo and her children on Kamigawa! Now imagine if the Story Circle shared it with Teferi or someone else who could bring things full circle and fill in a major gap in Dominarian history.
There were always at least six (Piru is from oldest canon, for example).
The wurm thing is mostly apocryphal (basically a deleted site's tidbit, who happened to belong to one of the original staff), but it has been so well incorporated into MTG fan lore and not disputed by Creative as to be basically official canon.
Ugin also calls Vaevictus ugly. Perhaps Kolaghan is ugly as well.
The wurm thing slowly creeped into canon: in the Jedit trilogy is told that legends say that the desert wurm are fallen dragons.
This would actually be very potent and interesting in Tamiyo’s hands.
-We know that Tamiyo is likely gonna make an appearance on Ravnica due to some poster art
-we know that Tamiyo’s magic incorporates stories, and oral and written traditions in addition to hear skills of deduction and observation.
I wonder how potent the story of an Elder Dragon’s birth, coming of age, etc would be in the hands of such s mage?
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
Also gotta wonder if she has a story of anyone sparking, especially old walkers. I don't know if anyone in lore knows what causes walkers to spark or not. I'm not the savvy, but enough research could give Tamiyo a potent piece of information.
Hmmmm.... It's entirely possible that Tamiyo might even have this story already. Narset was an Ojutai master and is a part of Tamiyo's story circle. This seems like just the type of story Tamiyo would be interested in and Narset could easily know it well enough to share it with her.
Hmmmm.....
But I guess we learned that Asmadi and his crew are four dragons? That would mean there are currently 10 known elder dragons in the story so far? Which could make for an even split in a war, if one happened.
Also, is Bolas referencing the Primevals? Does the Elder Dragon War leave the plane open to domination by the Primevals?
Also also, does dragon blood have some power? It's consistently described as honey-scented and humans in the flashback are trying to consume it. Seems like it may be special.
I think this could definitely be the case.
"Although I am sure those dragons are not really like us and our siblings. We are the first, after all, and thus the most powerful."
similar to
"I am older than they are, greater. I have devoured stars and shattered worlds."
It could still be other dragons that have no bearing on the story but it would be cool to have a more clear idea of how the primevals and elders tie together.
A reference to the fact that every clan had access to G or W Mana.
Before the Dragonlord ascension.
I also noticed that the rising tension and conflict between Ugin and Bolas parallels nicely with the rising tension and jealousy between the twin sisters.
While I’m unsure how exactly it’s gonna turn out, my bet is that something terrible is going to happen to Grandmother and the Shaman.
Leaving the Huntress as the next leader of her people, wracked by Survivor’s guilt and neatly tying up the fall of the Temur.
But the information will somehow be retained and discovered thousands of years later- possibly by Narset but I’m personally betting on Sarkhan Vol as he’s actually in the Core set.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
The thing I find most interesting about the Primevals is how they become god-like together, but weaker apart. Not necessarily a tie-in to the 'teamwork' lessons in these stories, but it's interesting that the Primevals have that quality while the Elder Dragons don't.
Tht being said, this episode is just......well not much. Nothing to miss if you didnt read this week.
Didnt move the ball at all and just wasted a episode on fluff that doesnt seem to matter.
Not sure why they keep doing this,,,,wasting a week of storyline. Just dissapointing and will force a much more rushed telling of important things later on. Oh well.
We've heard of the five survivors of the Dragon Wars, but Ugin would make six (ignore the Piru question at the moment)... unless he dies and is reborn as a (planeswalking) Spirit Dragon.
Thoughts?
I'm on this bandwagon. I would think that Ugin is not technically alive and may have been killed before the end of the Dragon war...possibly by Bolas himself. Naming each other might have some significance with the survival of Ugin's spirit. The brothers may be tied to each other's destiny in a way that doesn't let Ugin's spirit move beyond. The events of Cux of fate may occur after Nicol is able to figure out a way to kill the spirit of Ugin.