This is a short list I made of the planeswalkers whose first planeswalk planes I know of, because why not. If I've missed any, feel free to mention them.
Liliana Vess - Innistrad
Chandra Nalaar - Regatha
Gideon Jura - Alara (Bant shard)
Nissa Revane - Lorwyn
Ajani Goldmane - Alara (Jund shard)
Tezzeret - Alara (Grixis shard)
Elspeth Tirel - Theros
Domri Rade - Alara (Naya shard)
Samut - Theros
Huatli - Kaladesh**
Vronos - Alara (Esper shard)
Sarkhan did not jump to Jund in his first walk. By the time we see him there he is already an experienced walker and has been travelling for a while.
If I recall correctly the first plane he walked to was described as having a purple sky with orange clouds... Or it might have been the other way around, not sure.
I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
Sarkhan did not jump to Jund in his first walk. By the time we see him there he is already an experienced walker and has been travelling for a while.
If I recall correctly the first plane he walked to was described as having a purple sky with orange clouds... Or it might have been the other way around, not sure.
Yeah, I'm probably remembering that incorrectly. Fixed.
Unless I'm mistaken then, each Alara shard has one walker that's known to have walked there on their first walk. Again, if I've missed any, feel free to mention it. I want to see which planes are apparently popular with baby's first planeswalk.
I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
I think there is meaning there, but it'd be great if official confirmation is given for this phenomenon.
I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
Well yes in some sense at least. We know that Dominaria is the center of the multiverse, Shandalar moves about, and Tarkir is considered "backwater" (I think its Tarkir) that was referenced this way? Maybe it was Zendikar.) So yes planes have some sense of location relative to one another.
Also I'm like 99% sure that they try their best to connect a walkers first trip to them somehow. This may be something they're pushing more more recently(I.e. Origins) but I'm pretty sure they're doing it on purpose. A glimpse into the nature of the spark as part of the walkers soul. It's definitely a good way to show the audience what's important to a new walker they're introducing. Which could be an important part of why they're using known planes for first walks. How do we get that summary glimpse if they're going to a plane we know nothing about?
Idk how much Jace on Ravnica counts, he was like Narset where they never completed their "first walk" when their sparks ignited since they where pulled back, Narset by her own force of will and Jace by Alhammarret.
I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
Well yes in some sense at least. We know that Dominaria is the center of the multiverse, Shandalar moves about, and Tarkir is considered "backwater" (I think its Tarkir) that was referenced this way? Maybe it was Zendikar.) So yes planes have some sense of location relative to one another.
Thats Lorwyn and Amonkhet IIRC. Also Ravnica seems like a magnet for planeswalker activity, pre and post mending.
Also I'm like 99% sure that they try their best to connect a walkers first trip to them somehow. This may be something they're pushing more more recently(I.e. Origins) but I'm pretty sure they're doing it on purpose. A glimpse into the nature of the spark as part of the walkers soul. It's definitely a good way to show the audience what's important to a new walker they're introducing. Which could be an important part of why they're using known planes for first walks. How do we get that summary glimpse if they're going to a plane we know nothing about?
I think thats pretty spot on there. Plus the first walk is always impulsive and since that since the walker isn't in control something needs to direct them. Going to a world that would support their own magical abilities and/or reflects their inner selves makes sense. I don't think its the hard rule as seen with a few other walkers but it makes sense as the default.
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I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
Well yes in some sense at least. We know that Dominaria is the center of the multiverse, Shandalar moves about, and Tarkir is considered "backwater" (I think its Tarkir) that was referenced this way? Maybe it was Zendikar.) So yes planes have some sense of location relative to one another.
Also I'm like 99% sure that they try their best to connect a walkers first trip to them somehow. This may be something they're pushing more more recently(I.e. Origins) but I'm pretty sure they're doing it on purpose. A glimpse into the nature of the spark as part of the walkers soul. It's definitely a good way to show the audience what's important to a new walker they're introducing. Which could be an important part of why they're using known planes for first walks. How do we get that summary glimpse if they're going to a plane we know nothing about?
I agree. I always got the sense that the first walk must be to a place that "calls" to the planeswalker. This makes sense because usually it comes right when the walker is experiencing some extreme trauma and is looking to be somewhere else. In Flight of the White Cat and the Alara Novel, Sarkhan tells Ajani that the reason he walked to Jund was because of his rage for Jazzal's murder, since Jund is a place where Red mana dominates. Liliana, Domri and Chandra were mentioned already. Another example is Arlyn who walked into a vast forest away from civilization right after succumbing to her werefolf side, thus forced to come to terms with who she is.
About the planes having a metaphysical distance we have heard that before. In Planeswalker, Urza mentions that Equinox was close to the far edge of the multiverse and that might explain why time is weird there. Ajani could see Naya coming closer and closer to the other shards as they slowly merged. And I'm not sure how cannon this is but in the old webcomics, when Garruk visited Jace in ravnica to find Liliana, he told him that the map he was studying was leading to Zendikar. As far as I know creating a map of the eternities is not possible because it isnt a place per se, so I think it is more likely that the map showed a location in Zendikar and Garruk recognised it because he had been there before. Still an interesting tidbit of knowledge.
Also yes, the backwater plane is Zendikar. Liliana called it that when Jace asked her to help right before BFZ started.
Lorwyn was also described as a backwater plane, which explains why it has been visited by so few planeswalkers.
Zendikar actually does have a reputation among planeswalkers enough that several natives are familiar with them, so it might be more of a "remote and dangerous" backwater rather than "obscure" backwater.
Lorwyn was also described as a backwater plane, which explains why it has been visited by so few planeswalkers.
Zendikar actually does have a reputation among planeswalkers enough that several natives are familiar with them, so it might be more of a "remote and dangerous" backwater rather than "obscure" backwater.
Does Amonkhet still count as backwater now that Bolas has turned it into a launching pad for his zombie army?
Lorwyn was also described as a backwater plane, which explains why it has been visited by so few planeswalkers.
Zendikar actually does have a reputation among planeswalkers enough that several natives are familiar with them, so it might be more of a "remote and dangerous" backwater rather than "obscure" backwater.
Does Amonkhet still count as backwater now that Bolas has turned it into a launching pad for his zombie army?
I imagine it being backwater is beneficial to Bolas. If it's out of the way, its less likely for planeswalkers to show up and interfere, whether on purpose or accidentally.
Lorwyn was also described as a backwater plane, which explains why it has been visited by so few planeswalkers.
Zendikar actually does have a reputation among planeswalkers enough that several natives are familiar with them, so it might be more of a "remote and dangerous" backwater rather than "obscure" backwater.
Yeah, Zendikar has had way more planeswalkers than your average plane. Gideon, Jace, Ob Nixilis, Liliana, Chandra, Nissa, Kiora, Nahiri, Sarkhan, Sorin, Ugin... It's hardly a backwater plane. I don't think that we should judge the status of the world based on an offhand remark by Liliana.
Tarkir, on the other hand, is very much a backwater world. Every planeswalker that's been there is either native (Sarkhan, Narset, Ugin probably) or specifically searching for the plane to find Ugin (Sorin and Bolas). Vraska also found it but she could have been searching for it specifically or she could have stumbled upon it randomly. We already know that she does more exploring than most planeswalkers. Besides, the only reason that the whole time travel thing worked is because there were no planeswalkers going in or out of the plane for centuries, which I think definitely qualifies it as backwater even if it wasn't stated outright.
So... the list of backwater planes goes something like Lorwyn, Tarkir, Amonkhet, and Ixalan (but not Zendikar).
Yeah, Zendikar has had way more planeswalkers than your average plane. Gideon, Jace, Ob Nixilis, Liliana, Chandra, Nissa, Kiora, Nahiri, Sarkhan, Sorin, Ugin... It's hardly a backwater plane. I don't think that we should judge the status of the world based on an offhand remark by Liliana.
Tarkir, on the other hand, is very much a backwater world. Every planeswalker that's been there is either native (Sarkhan, Narset, Ugin probably) or specifically searching for the plane to find Ugin (Sorin and Bolas). Vraska also found it but she could have been searching for it specifically or she could have stumbled upon it randomly. We already know that she does more exploring than most planeswalkers. Besides, the only reason that the whole time travel thing worked is because there were no planeswalkers going in or out of the plane for centuries, which I think definitely qualifies it as backwater even if it wasn't stated outright.
So... the list of backwater planes goes something like Lorwyn, Tarkir, Amonkhet, and Ixalan (but not Zendikar).
High traffic doesn't necessarily mean its not backwater. Backwater implies that its a ways away from the center. But it has its special mana that attracts "tourists." I mean some place like Rio might be considered backwater but it gets tourists.
I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
This is all but confirmed I think since if Planes moved frequently Freyalise breaking the Shard of Planes during the Ice Age would have been far easier.
I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
This is all but confirmed I think since if Planes moved frequently Freyalise breaking the Shard of Planes during the Ice Age would have been far easier.
We know Shandalar moves around, but that's what makes Shandalar unique.
Somewhat off topic, but are first time planeswalk more, energetic i guess is the best term, than others? Because Huatli manaaged to 'see' Kaladesh before she got pulled back, while Jace didn't seem to see anything in particular, just "light and color and the idea of being away"
Somewhat off topic, but are first time planeswalk more, energetic i guess is the best term, than others? Because Huatli manaaged to 'see' Kaladesh before she got pulled back, while Jace didn't seem to see anything in particular, just "light and color and the idea of being away"
Could be that natives get just a little further before the binding kicks in? But I do remember from other stories that the first time is erratic and wild because they don't know what they're doing and I would imagine memory-less Jace should have had a similar experience then?
To be fair, Alara was five separate worlds for quite a while, and most (if not all) of these Alara planeswalks were to different shards when they were still shards.
Somewhat off topic, but are first time planeswalk more, energetic i guess is the best term, than others? Because Huatli manaaged to 'see' Kaladesh before she got pulled back, while Jace didn't seem to see anything in particular, just "light and color and the idea of being away"
Could be that natives get just a little further before the binding kicks in? But I do remember from other stories that the first time is erratic and wild because they don't know what they're doing and I would imagine memory-less Jace should have had a similar experience then?
While Jace lacks his personal memories, on some fundamental level, he's still Jace, Planeswalker, Illuionist, Mind Mage. At his core, he knows haw to 'Walk, so there's less of the super erratic nature of the 'Walk.
I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
This is all but confirmed I think since if Planes moved frequently Freyalise breaking the Shard of Planes during the Ice Age would have been far easier.
We know Shandalar moves around, but that's what makes Shandalar unique.
Yes, but if moving were inherent to planes then she wouldn't have needed to wait for a Rogue Plane to fly through the shard to use her world spell to shatter it entirely, as one of the other planes in the shard would have flown out.
I still have the theory that planes have some kind of metaphysical "distance" between them and that most planes we have seen so far are pretty close to each other, which makes it more likely to planeswalk there at random. Another thing I have noted is that the planes many walkers first arrive at are somewhat thematically connected to the walker himself. Samut arrived in Theros (the only world aside from Amonkhet with gods that we know of and directly after feeling an especially stong connection to Hazoreth), Domri Rade in Naya (being fascinated by huge beasts), Liliana on Innistrad and Chandra on Regatha (connections pretty obvious I would say) and the list goes on. Some connections are weaker than others, but aside from being narratively convenient, could it have any further meaning?
This is all but confirmed I think since if Planes moved frequently Freyalise breaking the Shard of Planes during the Ice Age would have been far easier.
We know Shandalar moves around, but that's what makes Shandalar unique.
Yes, but if moving were inherent to planes then she wouldn't have needed to wait for a Rogue Plane to fly through the shard to use her world spell to shatter it entirely, as one of the other planes in the shard would have flown out.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I even said that the phenomenon is unique to Shandalar.
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Liliana Vess - Innistrad
Chandra Nalaar - Regatha
Gideon Jura - Alara (Bant shard)
Nissa Revane - Lorwyn
Ajani Goldmane - Alara (Jund shard)
Tezzeret - Alara (Grixis shard)
Elspeth Tirel - Theros
Domri Rade - Alara (Naya shard)
Samut - Theros
Huatli - Kaladesh**
Vronos - Alara (Esper shard)
**The planeswalk was cut short
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If I recall correctly the first plane he walked to was described as having a purple sky with orange clouds... Or it might have been the other way around, not sure.
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Yeah, I'm probably remembering that incorrectly. Fixed.
Unless I'm mistaken then, each Alara shard has one walker that's known to have walked there on their first walk. Again, if I've missed any, feel free to mention it. I want to see which planes are apparently popular with baby's first planeswalk.
I think there is meaning there, but it'd be great if official confirmation is given for this phenomenon.
Well yes in some sense at least. We know that Dominaria is the center of the multiverse, Shandalar moves about, and Tarkir is considered "backwater" (I think its Tarkir) that was referenced this way? Maybe it was Zendikar.) So yes planes have some sense of location relative to one another.
Also I'm like 99% sure that they try their best to connect a walkers first trip to them somehow. This may be something they're pushing more more recently(I.e. Origins) but I'm pretty sure they're doing it on purpose. A glimpse into the nature of the spark as part of the walkers soul. It's definitely a good way to show the audience what's important to a new walker they're introducing. Which could be an important part of why they're using known planes for first walks. How do we get that summary glimpse if they're going to a plane we know nothing about?
Thats Lorwyn and Amonkhet IIRC. Also Ravnica seems like a magnet for planeswalker activity, pre and post mending.
I think thats pretty spot on there. Plus the first walk is always impulsive and since that since the walker isn't in control something needs to direct them. Going to a world that would support their own magical abilities and/or reflects their inner selves makes sense. I don't think its the hard rule as seen with a few other walkers but it makes sense as the default.
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I agree. I always got the sense that the first walk must be to a place that "calls" to the planeswalker. This makes sense because usually it comes right when the walker is experiencing some extreme trauma and is looking to be somewhere else. In Flight of the White Cat and the Alara Novel, Sarkhan tells Ajani that the reason he walked to Jund was because of his rage for Jazzal's murder, since Jund is a place where Red mana dominates. Liliana, Domri and Chandra were mentioned already. Another example is Arlyn who walked into a vast forest away from civilization right after succumbing to her werefolf side, thus forced to come to terms with who she is.
About the planes having a metaphysical distance we have heard that before. In Planeswalker, Urza mentions that Equinox was close to the far edge of the multiverse and that might explain why time is weird there. Ajani could see Naya coming closer and closer to the other shards as they slowly merged. And I'm not sure how cannon this is but in the old webcomics, when Garruk visited Jace in ravnica to find Liliana, he told him that the map he was studying was leading to Zendikar. As far as I know creating a map of the eternities is not possible because it isnt a place per se, so I think it is more likely that the map showed a location in Zendikar and Garruk recognised it because he had been there before. Still an interesting tidbit of knowledge.
Also yes, the backwater plane is Zendikar. Liliana called it that when Jace asked her to help right before BFZ started.
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I think you mean Equilor.
Zendikar actually does have a reputation among planeswalkers enough that several natives are familiar with them, so it might be more of a "remote and dangerous" backwater rather than "obscure" backwater.
Does Amonkhet still count as backwater now that Bolas has turned it into a launching pad for his zombie army?
I imagine it being backwater is beneficial to Bolas. If it's out of the way, its less likely for planeswalkers to show up and interfere, whether on purpose or accidentally.
Sorry, yeah I meant Equilor. Equinox is a card isn't it?
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Well, yes, but it's also an actual thing too.
Yeah, Zendikar has had way more planeswalkers than your average plane. Gideon, Jace, Ob Nixilis, Liliana, Chandra, Nissa, Kiora, Nahiri, Sarkhan, Sorin, Ugin... It's hardly a backwater plane. I don't think that we should judge the status of the world based on an offhand remark by Liliana.
Tarkir, on the other hand, is very much a backwater world. Every planeswalker that's been there is either native (Sarkhan, Narset, Ugin probably) or specifically searching for the plane to find Ugin (Sorin and Bolas). Vraska also found it but she could have been searching for it specifically or she could have stumbled upon it randomly. We already know that she does more exploring than most planeswalkers. Besides, the only reason that the whole time travel thing worked is because there were no planeswalkers going in or out of the plane for centuries, which I think definitely qualifies it as backwater even if it wasn't stated outright.
So... the list of backwater planes goes something like Lorwyn, Tarkir, Amonkhet, and Ixalan (but not Zendikar).
High traffic doesn't necessarily mean its not backwater. Backwater implies that its a ways away from the center. But it has its special mana that attracts "tourists." I mean some place like Rio might be considered backwater but it gets tourists.
This is all but confirmed I think since if Planes moved frequently Freyalise breaking the Shard of Planes during the Ice Age would have been far easier.
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We know Shandalar moves around, but that's what makes Shandalar unique.
Could be that natives get just a little further before the binding kicks in? But I do remember from other stories that the first time is erratic and wild because they don't know what they're doing and I would imagine memory-less Jace should have had a similar experience then?
To be fair, Alara was five separate worlds for quite a while, and most (if not all) of these Alara planeswalks were to different shards when they were still shards.
Yes, but if moving were inherent to planes then she wouldn't have needed to wait for a Rogue Plane to fly through the shard to use her world spell to shatter it entirely, as one of the other planes in the shard would have flown out.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I even said that the phenomenon is unique to Shandalar.