So I wanted to discuss the very end of the episode, so if you haven't read it go do that first.
Ok so are we supposed to take Hazoret's prophecy as an omen of Gideon's death?
Perhaps its just a general reminder of his mortality. He does seem pretty freaked out by the sight of his own blood. (You'd think he'd be tougher than that) Honestly I've always felt like Gideon was a bit of a punk and boring too. Ajani had such a better backstory.
I digress, what do we expect from this "prophecy."
Will Gideon become doubtful, hesitant, perhaps afraid of death? Will he avoid conflict or embrace it expecting to give his life.
Does this signal a return to Theros??
What do y'all think?
It does feel like a foreshadowing of his death, with a foreshadowing of a return to Theros. So when we return there expect Gids to die, that or its some really weird other stuff. Don't expect Gids to fear death, he fears the death of others far more than he could ever fear his own death. And the blood thing was more a shock that he wasn't indestructible and probably a reminder that he shouldn't rely so heavily on it.
So I wanted to discuss the very end of the episode, so if you haven't read it go do that first.
Ok so are we supposed to take Hazoret's prophecy as an omen of Gideon's death?
Perhaps its just a general reminder of his mortality. He does seem pretty freaked out by the sight of his own blood. (You'd think he'd be tougher than that) Honestly I've always felt like Gideon was a bit of a punk and boring too. Ajani had such a better backstory.
I digress, what do we expect from this "prophecy."
Will Gideon become doubtful, hesitant, perhaps afraid of death? Will he avoid conflict or embrace it expecting to give his life.
Does this signal a return to Theros??
What do y'all think?
As I said in the main Amonkhet thread when Gideons death was mentioned as being at the hands of Bolas; they wouldn't have made Gideon, an already existing character, be from Theros, an already existing plane, and set up his backstory the way they did had they no intention of doing something with it. I mean it was already pretty much a sure thing that we will be going back to Theros thanks to Elspeth but with this prediction from Hazoret I am pretty much certain that Gids will be involved. Maybe trading his life for hers.
I'm also not a big fan of Gideon. I dislike Captain America style characters who are so immovable in their morality that they can't change or even make certain decisions. But while I definitely won't miss him if he dies I am not one of those bloodthirsty forumgoers who thinks someone in the Gatewatch needs to die.
So I wanted to discuss the very end of the episode, so if you haven't read it go do that first.
Ok so are we supposed to take Hazoret's prophecy as an omen of Gideon's death?
Perhaps its just a general reminder of his mortality. He does seem pretty freaked out by the sight of his own blood. (You'd think he'd be tougher than that) Honestly I've always felt like Gideon was a bit of a punk and boring too. Ajani had such a better backstory.
I digress, what do we expect from this "prophecy."
Will Gideon become doubtful, hesitant, perhaps afraid of death? Will he avoid conflict or embrace it expecting to give his life.
Does this signal a return to Theros??
What do y'all think?
As I said in the main Amonkhet thread when Gideons death was mentioned as being at the hands of Bolas; they wouldn't have made Gideon, an already existing character, be from Theros, an already existing plane, and set up his backstory the way they did had they no intention of doing something with it. I mean it was already pretty much a sure thing that we will be going back to Theros thanks to Elspeth but with this prediction from Hazoret I am pretty much certain that Gids will be involved. Maybe trading his life for hers.
I'm also not a big fan of Gideon. I dislike Captain America style characters who are so immovable in their morality that they can't change or even make certain decisions. But while I definitely won't miss him if he dies I am not one of those bloodthirsty forumgoers who thinks someone in the Gatewatch needs to die.
I can see him brokering a deal with erebos to trade for elspeth. Unfortunately there is no reason to get elspeth back outside of Ajani or daxos I think? She has no special knowledge of the phyrexians or special abilities I'm aware of to make the gateway herself seem her out if she is alive.
Gideon dying ruins a decent chunk of Chandra's tie to the gatewatch and love interest. That is a pretty big story hook to let go.
So I wanted to discuss the very end of the episode, so if you haven't read it go do that first.
Ok so are we supposed to take Hazoret's prophecy as an omen of Gideon's death?
Perhaps its just a general reminder of his mortality. He does seem pretty freaked out by the sight of his own blood. (You'd think he'd be tougher than that) Honestly I've always felt like Gideon was a bit of a punk and boring too. Ajani had such a better backstory.
I digress, what do we expect from this "prophecy."
Will Gideon become doubtful, hesitant, perhaps afraid of death? Will he avoid conflict or embrace it expecting to give his life.
Does this signal a return to Theros??
What do y'all think?
As I said in the main Amonkhet thread when Gideons death was mentioned as being at the hands of Bolas; they wouldn't have made Gideon, an already existing character, be from Theros, an already existing plane, and set up his backstory the way they did had they no intention of doing something with it. I mean it was already pretty much a sure thing that we will be going back to Theros thanks to Elspeth but with this prediction from Hazoret I am pretty much certain that Gids will be involved. Maybe trading his life for hers.
I'm also not a big fan of Gideon. I dislike Captain America style characters who are so immovable in their morality that they can't change or even make certain decisions. But while I definitely won't miss him if he dies I am not one of those bloodthirsty forumgoers who thinks someone in the Gatewatch needs to die.
I can see him brokering a deal with erebos to trade for elspeth. Unfortunately there is no reason to get elspeth back outside of Ajani or daxos I think? She has no special knowledge of the phyrexians or special abilities I'm aware of to make the gateway herself seem her out if she is alive.
Gideon dying ruins a decent chunk of Chandra's tie to the gatewatch and love interest. That is a pretty big story hook to let go.
If we've learned anything from Daxos, it's that trading souls with Erebos will only lead to pain and suffering and failure. If Elspeth is to be freed from the underworld, it will have to be in a way outside of the gods' preset rules.
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Death on Theros isn't exactly what it is elsewhere. I suspect Gideon will die there when we return, but Hazoret never mentioned what might happen after that. If Gideon is actually Heliod's son, who knows what that could entail. And we still don't know why Elspeth traded herself for Daxos rather than simply requesting him alive again. Either because she was aware of Erebos's greed for a dead count, or she had something else in mind. Heliod would have killed her either way, but I doubt she suspected this until he confirmed it. So between Gideon, Elspeth, Daxos and Dack, it'll be an interesting return.
Of course there's also Bolas to consider, if he's immortal or what HAzoret meant - and there's Nordic plane on the short list, with a possible Valhalla analog. So we can't assume it'll be Theros, although I would prefer it to be. Nordic and Egyptian gods just aren't as interesting to me as Greek inspired ones.
I can see him brokering a deal with erebos to trade for elspeth. Unfortunately there is no reason to get elspeth back outside of Ajani or daxos I think? She has no special knowledge of the phyrexians or special abilities I'm aware of to make the gateway herself seem her out if she is alive.
Gideon dying ruins a decent chunk of Chandra's tie to the gatewatch and love interest. That is a pretty big story hook to let go.
Its not about what Elspeth brings to the table though. Its about Gideon. Ajani will tell him her story and that will be enough.
As for Chandra I think it would be note interesting this way. Elspeth would hold a similar role to Gids on the Gatewatch so the dynamic with Lili isn't lost. But we also gain Chandra holding a grudge against Elspeth because someone Chandra cared about traded his life for Elspeths. And then we still have the whole NissaxChandra thing.
Gideon dying ruins a decent chunk of Chandra's tie to the gatewatch and love interest. That is a pretty big story hook to let go.
Its been confirmed that Chandra is over her brief romantic interest in Gideon. And confirmed that she is now interested in Nissa. There is no story hook in Chandra on this, maybe on Gideon's side.
Its been confirmed that Chandra is over her brief romantic interest in Gideon. And confirmed that she is now interested in Nissa. There is no story hook in Chandra on this, maybe on Gideon's side.
Where? Sure its been shown she has a thing for Nissa but I don't think anything has shown that she is over her feelings for Gids. A person can have feelings for more than one person at the same time.
Its been confirmed that Chandra is over her brief romantic interest in Gideon. And confirmed that she is now interested in Nissa. There is no story hook in Chandra on this, maybe on Gideon's side.
Where? Sure its been shown she has a thing for Nissa but I don't think anything has shown that she is over her feelings for Gids. A person can have feelings for more than one person at the same time.
In the story Burn. While not a 100% admittance of her being over him it is beyond heavily implied.
It's been a long time since anyone held me like this. If Gids had done this four years ago, it would have made me feel tingly in all the places I like. Now it just feels...
I just want to see legitimate character growth in a sensible story. I mean planeswalkers are for the most part, from a readers' perspective, pretty volatile and in a ton of conflict ALL the time.
It makes sense that someone would die eventually and who better then the guy who charges headlong into every challenge.
I don't think Chandra is 100% over Gideon and I definately don't think he is over her. There is still tension there even if she is divided now. It seems like a legitimate waste to throw away one of the only lasting bits of her initial character building and something that flavor fully portrays red's passionate expression of emotion.
Gideon being removed from the picture would also clearly cement Jace as the leader of the gatewatch. Which removes the group dynamic they have now of who is the actual leader.
Gideon dying in Return to Theros makes way too much sense. I would have liked to see him bite the dust in this block (because they need to show the threat level of Bolas and because I just don't like the character) but if they didn't have plans for him in Theros they would have just said that Bant was his home plane and Zendikar or Ravnica his first planeswalk. I'm not sure if I'm pleased or annoyed with how they've been foreshadowing things from miles away. On one hand, foreshadowing is good for the story and it makes it easier to make predictions; on the other hand, a little bit of subtlety would be nice.
I just want to see legitimate character growth in a sensible story. I mean planeswalkers are for the most part, from a readers' perspective, pretty volatile and in a ton of conflict ALL the time.
It makes sense that someone would die eventually and who better then the guy who charges headlong into every challenge.
Exactly. These characters keep recklessly charging into whatever conflict they can find, with Gideon being the worst offender. It's remarkable that no one has died or been severely injured yet, and if they keep being invincible, a lot of people are going to lose (even more) interest in the story. As much as I think it would benefit the story, it seems unlikely that any of the Gatewatch will die in this block, but I do think it is something they will do eventually, with Gideon during Return to Theros being the obvious candidate.
I don't think Chandra is 100% over Gideon and I definately don't think he is over her. There is still tension there even if she is divided now. It seems like a legitimate waste to throw away one of the only lasting bits of her initial character building and something that flavor fully portrays red's passionate expression of emotion.
Could be, but they've been moving the relationships within Gatewatch at a snail's pace. They seem to want to Chandra and Nissa before any other pair save Jace and Liliana, and by the time Chandra and Nissa kiss Gideon may be dead already (Return to Theros will likely be in the next couple of years). I have no doubt that they will mix and match the characters in relationships (like a sitcom, which is obviously exactly what a good fantasy story should be aiming for) but they aren't rushing it. Gideon and Chandra might happen or it might not. At this point, I couldn't care less; they're my two least favorite Gatewatch planeswalkers and I'd rather not give them another excuse for more horrible, cringe-inducing Chandra narration.
Gideon being removed from the picture would also clearly cement Jace as the leader of the gatewatch. Which removes the group dynamic they have now of who is the actual leader.
Don't rule out Ajani. Remember that Dovin's analysis of the Gatewatch (in which he notes the Gideon and Jace are sharing leadership) happened before Ajani joined, and we are yet to see Ajani really working with the Gatewatch as an official member (and we likely won't until after Ixalan). And by the time Gideon dies, there could be other new members in the Gatewatch who might take a leadership role.
Plus the Jace haters would go berserk if Jace became official leader of the Jacetice League, not that I could really blame them. I think that Wizards has some idea that while Jace is generally popular, he is polarizing and many people hate him, so blatantly putting him in charge of the team might be a poor decision as it would further upset the already-agitated Jace haters.
I really hope that Ajani lays into them over this whole debacle. He swears his oath, and literally the first decision the group makes is to lie to him, disregard his warnings, and run off to do exactly what he cautioned them NOT to do.
so who are the other (3?) gods? While only speculation, one can come to the conclusion that they were the only gods to resist Bolas 's control. This either lead to their termination, or imprisonment. If they had t89he ability to resist something the other Gods could not , then one could only imagine they must be insanely powerful. I believe that they are part of the balance that Bolas aimed to destroy ,ultimately leading to the other Gods forgetting who they used to be.
Maybe Liliana's 3rd demon is one of the 3 missing. In every story with gods and myth ,there is almost always a god of the afterlife. If Bolas pushes him out of the way, then I'd say it'd be pretty easy to summon an army of undead soldiers given that they have nowhere to go after death.
As for the other missing gods I'm really not sure who they could be, but they are more than Likely just as important for maintaining balance on Amokhet.
The story also shows how mortal our hero's truly are. It is a sobering moment that makes them ( at least Gideon ) doubt who they are and what they can accomplish.
Personally I think Bolas has been playing the gate watch the entire time, using them to knock off any threats of his, ie. the eldrazie, demons, elder planeswalkers like Sorin. This being all an attempt to clear any threats; and bring power back to him.
*side not. Although a big stretch, mayb our good friend Ugin is one of the missing. He is pretty much the only one who was able to keep up with Bolas ,even though he died lol. I'd say he has a score to settle, and we might not have to waait to travel back to tarkir to see him again.I mean after all he has been in the background giving advice that always seems to go against the "just cause" of the gatewTch.Kind if like when he tokmd then to just leave the damn eldrazie in stasis and DO NOT DESTROY THEM. Or how he made it clear he needed Sorin and Nahari to both be present when facing the eldrazie. He clearly knows How Bollas works, and knows that if the other elders are lost, it is simply another win for Bolas.
*side not. Although a big stretch, mayb our good friend Ugin is one of the missing. He is pretty much the only one who was able to keep up with Bolas ,even though he died lol. I'd say he has a score to settle, and we might not have to waait to travel back to tarkir to see him again.I mean after all he has been in the background giving advice that always seems to go against the "just cause" of the gatewTch.Kind if like when he tokmd then to just leave the damn eldrazie in stasis and DO NOT DESTROY THEM. Or how he made it clear he needed Sorin and Nahari to both be present when facing the eldrazie. He clearly knows How Bollas works, and knows that if the other elders are lost, it is simply another win for Bolas.
Not possible. Ugin is Tarkir's worldsoul, he can't be native to Amonkhet. Beyond that, Bolas fought/killed Ugin over a thousand years ago. He conquered Amonkhet less than a century ago.
Why does Gideon dying mean his soul or whatever goes to Erebos' world? I very much doubt that Erebos has influence across the planes and even if he does, Gideon's a bloody planeswalker. Of course, I'm sure that, if this is the case, they will come up with a convoluted reason for us to return to Theros and the gertwertch to go there.
Not possible. Ugin is Tarkir's worldsoul, he can't be native to Amonkhet. Beyond that, Bolas fought/killed Ugin over a thousand years ago. He conquered Amonkhet less than a century ago.
Uh. What?
Where did you get that? There is literally ONE hit with that word combination on google and it is the very post you made claiming that.
I'm pretty sure that Narset states or at least heavily implies as much during the Tarkir story. I'll go back and see if I can't find it in the story archives...
EDIT: Here it is, it's in the Story "Journey to the Nexus" and is mentioned on Narset's wiki page.
Sarkhan's shoulders fell. "Then I have failed again. This world is already dead. The past is lost. Ugin is only a dream."
Narset shook her head. "Ugin is far more than that. He is this world's soul. When he was lost, Tarkir was lessened. But perhaps something yet lingers. Something that you can awaken. That stone you bear might be the key."
You're taking a turn of phrase that means "He is very important" to mean being the spiritual and physical embodiment of a plane. I am not sold.
Yeah, I'm with Mina here. If only because I want to avoid another diluting of what world-soul means. It's a concept that really has not been handled well since its introduction.
Maybe Liliana's 3rd demon is one of the 3 missing.
This thought crossed my mind as well, but it's been made clear that Liliana's contract with the demons is older than Bolas' corruption of the plane.
So Razaketh is on Amonkhet and so is Belzenlok? Or do you mean that Razaketh is one of the missing gods? Because neither are very likely.
If both Belzenlok and Razaketh were on Amonkhet, it would deprive WOTC of another chance to peddle more Lily.
We also know that Razaketh is behind/inside of the Gate to the Afterlife. We do NOT know where the 3 missing gods are, though there were 3 "kids" who disappeared into the desert beyond Naktamun.
Liliana's third demon is Razaketh, who is confirmed on Amonkhet. Furthermore it has been confirmed that Bolas took control of and corrupted Amonkhet after he brokered Liliana's deal with the demons.
What I'm saying is that, while the idea of Razaketh being one of the gods that have been corrupted by Bolas crossed my mind, the facts don't line up.
Maybe Liliana's 3rd demon is one of the 3 missing.
This thought crossed my mind as well, but it's been made clear that Liliana's contract with the demons is older than Bolas' corruption of the plane.
So Razaketh is on Amonkhet and so is Belzenlok? Or do you mean that Razaketh is one of the missing gods? Because neither are very likely.
If both Belzenlok and Razaketh were on Amonkhet, it would deprive WOTC of another chance to peddle more Lily.
We also know that Razaketh is behind/inside of the Gate to the Afterlife. We do NOT know where the 3 missing gods are, though there were 3 "kids" who disappeared into the desert beyond Naktamun.
Liliana's third demon is Razaketh, who is confirmed on Amonkhet. Furthermore it has been confirmed that Bolas took control of and corrupted Amonkhet after he brokered Liliana's deal with the demons.
What I'm saying is that, while the idea of Razaketh being one of the gods that have been corrupted by Bolas crossed my mind, the facts don't line up.
Where has this been 'confirmed'? The only information I've seen lends itself to the opposite of this.
Edit: the confirmed part I'm questioning is the timeline, not Razaketh being on Amonkhet.
Where has this been 'confirmed'? The only information I've seen lends itself to the opposite of this.
Edit: the confirmed part I'm questioning is the timeline, not Razaketh being on Amonkhet.
Wait, you're right. Amonkhet's transformation happened (probably) around the mending, while Liliana made the demonic deals after the mending, when she had already aged considerably. For some reason I kept thinking she did that before the mending. Hah.
So, Razaketh being one of the three gods in a corrupted form is still on the table. (I don't like the idea for other reasons, but at least it's technically possible.)
Well Bolas elimination of the other 3 gods was to restructure Amonkhet society to his design. I think the question is, what do the other gods embody that would NOT be good for Bolas, but would represent a complete society prior to his meddling.
I'm guessing a God of:
Curiosity/Deviance (UR,UBR)
Love/Community (WR)
New Life (WG)
The weird thing is three gods. What are the color combinations? Perhaps even a colorless god.
Maybe even a Ra like god. The actual God-Pharoh (WUBRG).
Thoughts?
Oketra is God of Solidarity which is basically the same thing as community. I don't think there's enough to go on to determine what colors they are or what they may embody.
Oketra is God of Solidarity which is basically the same thing as community. I don't think there's enough to go on to determine what colors they are or what they may embody.
Yeah I agree about Oketra. And in the story we see Hazoret as a god that nutures and has motherly love.
My list was just a quick brainstorm. I still feel a new life/birth god would be essential and is usually present in many pantheons.
Also a god of the afterlife would explicitly screw up Bolas's design so this would be good. Although Nissa does communicate with the plane itself and the plane itself may be an afterlife "worldsoul". (Not actually a god)
Lastly, we may never see the missing three gods, but thats ok, I just want to ponder what they might have been.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/judgment-2017-05-17
So I wanted to discuss the very end of the episode, so if you haven't read it go do that first.
Ok so are we supposed to take Hazoret's prophecy as an omen of Gideon's death?
Perhaps its just a general reminder of his mortality. He does seem pretty freaked out by the sight of his own blood. (You'd think he'd be tougher than that) Honestly I've always felt like Gideon was a bit of a punk and boring too. Ajani had such a better backstory.
I digress, what do we expect from this "prophecy."
Will Gideon become doubtful, hesitant, perhaps afraid of death? Will he avoid conflict or embrace it expecting to give his life.
Does this signal a return to Theros??
What do y'all think?
As I said in the main Amonkhet thread when Gideons death was mentioned as being at the hands of Bolas; they wouldn't have made Gideon, an already existing character, be from Theros, an already existing plane, and set up his backstory the way they did had they no intention of doing something with it. I mean it was already pretty much a sure thing that we will be going back to Theros thanks to Elspeth but with this prediction from Hazoret I am pretty much certain that Gids will be involved. Maybe trading his life for hers.
I'm also not a big fan of Gideon. I dislike Captain America style characters who are so immovable in their morality that they can't change or even make certain decisions. But while I definitely won't miss him if he dies I am not one of those bloodthirsty forumgoers who thinks someone in the Gatewatch needs to die.
I can see him brokering a deal with erebos to trade for elspeth. Unfortunately there is no reason to get elspeth back outside of Ajani or daxos I think? She has no special knowledge of the phyrexians or special abilities I'm aware of to make the gateway herself seem her out if she is alive.
Gideon dying ruins a decent chunk of Chandra's tie to the gatewatch and love interest. That is a pretty big story hook to let go.
If we've learned anything from Daxos, it's that trading souls with Erebos will only lead to pain and suffering and failure. If Elspeth is to be freed from the underworld, it will have to be in a way outside of the gods' preset rules.
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Of course there's also Bolas to consider, if he's immortal or what HAzoret meant - and there's Nordic plane on the short list, with a possible Valhalla analog. So we can't assume it'll be Theros, although I would prefer it to be. Nordic and Egyptian gods just aren't as interesting to me as Greek inspired ones.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Its not about what Elspeth brings to the table though. Its about Gideon. Ajani will tell him her story and that will be enough.
As for Chandra I think it would be note interesting this way. Elspeth would hold a similar role to Gids on the Gatewatch so the dynamic with Lili isn't lost. But we also gain Chandra holding a grudge against Elspeth because someone Chandra cared about traded his life for Elspeths. And then we still have the whole NissaxChandra thing.
Where? Sure its been shown she has a thing for Nissa but I don't think anything has shown that she is over her feelings for Gids. A person can have feelings for more than one person at the same time.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
It makes sense that someone would die eventually and who better then the guy who charges headlong into every challenge.
I don't think Chandra is 100% over Gideon and I definately don't think he is over her. There is still tension there even if she is divided now. It seems like a legitimate waste to throw away one of the only lasting bits of her initial character building and something that flavor fully portrays red's passionate expression of emotion.
Gideon being removed from the picture would also clearly cement Jace as the leader of the gatewatch. Which removes the group dynamic they have now of who is the actual leader.
Exactly. These characters keep recklessly charging into whatever conflict they can find, with Gideon being the worst offender. It's remarkable that no one has died or been severely injured yet, and if they keep being invincible, a lot of people are going to lose (even more) interest in the story. As much as I think it would benefit the story, it seems unlikely that any of the Gatewatch will die in this block, but I do think it is something they will do eventually, with Gideon during Return to Theros being the obvious candidate.
Could be, but they've been moving the relationships within Gatewatch at a snail's pace. They seem to want to Chandra and Nissa before any other pair save Jace and Liliana, and by the time Chandra and Nissa kiss Gideon may be dead already (Return to Theros will likely be in the next couple of years). I have no doubt that they will mix and match the characters in relationships (like a sitcom, which is obviously exactly what a good fantasy story should be aiming for) but they aren't rushing it. Gideon and Chandra might happen or it might not. At this point, I couldn't care less; they're my two least favorite Gatewatch planeswalkers and I'd rather not give them another excuse for more horrible, cringe-inducing Chandra narration.
Don't rule out Ajani. Remember that Dovin's analysis of the Gatewatch (in which he notes the Gideon and Jace are sharing leadership) happened before Ajani joined, and we are yet to see Ajani really working with the Gatewatch as an official member (and we likely won't until after Ixalan). And by the time Gideon dies, there could be other new members in the Gatewatch who might take a leadership role.
Plus the Jace haters would go berserk if Jace became official leader of the Jacetice League, not that I could really blame them. I think that Wizards has some idea that while Jace is generally popular, he is polarizing and many people hate him, so blatantly putting him in charge of the team might be a poor decision as it would further upset the already-agitated Jace haters.
Maybe Liliana's 3rd demon is one of the 3 missing. In every story with gods and myth ,there is almost always a god of the afterlife. If Bolas pushes him out of the way, then I'd say it'd be pretty easy to summon an army of undead soldiers given that they have nowhere to go after death.
As for the other missing gods I'm really not sure who they could be, but they are more than Likely just as important for maintaining balance on Amokhet.
The story also shows how mortal our hero's truly are. It is a sobering moment that makes them ( at least Gideon ) doubt who they are and what they can accomplish.
Personally I think Bolas has been playing the gate watch the entire time, using them to knock off any threats of his, ie. the eldrazie, demons, elder planeswalkers like Sorin. This being all an attempt to clear any threats; and bring power back to him.
*side not. Although a big stretch, mayb our good friend Ugin is one of the missing. He is pretty much the only one who was able to keep up with Bolas ,even though he died lol. I'd say he has a score to settle, and we might not have to waait to travel back to tarkir to see him again.I mean after all he has been in the background giving advice that always seems to go against the "just cause" of the gatewTch.Kind if like when he tokmd then to just leave the damn eldrazie in stasis and DO NOT DESTROY THEM. Or how he made it clear he needed Sorin and Nahari to both be present when facing the eldrazie. He clearly knows How Bollas works, and knows that if the other elders are lost, it is simply another win for Bolas.
Not possible. Ugin is Tarkir's worldsoul, he can't be native to Amonkhet. Beyond that, Bolas fought/killed Ugin over a thousand years ago. He conquered Amonkhet less than a century ago.
I'm pretty sure that Narset states or at least heavily implies as much during the Tarkir story. I'll go back and see if I can't find it in the story archives...
EDIT: Here it is, it's in the Story "Journey to the Nexus" and is mentioned on Narset's wiki page.
This thought crossed my mind as well, but it's been made clear that Liliana's contract with the demons is older than Bolas' corruption of the plane.
Yeah, I'm with Mina here. If only because I want to avoid another diluting of what world-soul means. It's a concept that really has not been handled well since its introduction.
Liliana's third demon is Razaketh, who is confirmed on Amonkhet. Furthermore it has been confirmed that Bolas took control of and corrupted Amonkhet after he brokered Liliana's deal with the demons.
What I'm saying is that, while the idea of Razaketh being one of the gods that have been corrupted by Bolas crossed my mind, the facts don't line up.
Edit: the confirmed part I'm questioning is the timeline, not Razaketh being on Amonkhet.
Wait, you're right. Amonkhet's transformation happened (probably) around the mending, while Liliana made the demonic deals after the mending, when she had already aged considerably. For some reason I kept thinking she did that before the mending. Hah.
So, Razaketh being one of the three gods in a corrupted form is still on the table. (I don't like the idea for other reasons, but at least it's technically possible.)
I'm guessing a God of:
Curiosity/Deviance (UR,UBR)
Love/Community (WR)
New Life (WG)
The weird thing is three gods. What are the color combinations? Perhaps even a colorless god.
Maybe even a Ra like god. The actual God-Pharoh (WUBRG).
Thoughts?
Yeah I agree about Oketra. And in the story we see Hazoret as a god that nutures and has motherly love.
My list was just a quick brainstorm. I still feel a new life/birth god would be essential and is usually present in many pantheons.
Also a god of the afterlife would explicitly screw up Bolas's design so this would be good. Although Nissa does communicate with the plane itself and the plane itself may be an afterlife "worldsoul". (Not actually a god)
Lastly, we may never see the missing three gods, but thats ok, I just want to ponder what they might have been.