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Maybe I missed a part in the Mirrodin trilogy but I don't seem to understand what the Mirran Suns are. Are they actual suns? Are they mana batteries? Were they artificially created or just natural to this plane? Could they be weaponized like the Null Moon was against Yawgmoth?

The Mirran 'Suns' are clusters of mana that were jettisoned from Mirrodin's Core. There's not really much else to say about them, we don't know a lot about how the giant ball of mana in Mirrodin's core works, other than it jettisoned five colored mana balls over the course of a couple hundred years.

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The Mirran 'Suns' are clusters of mana that were jettisoned from Mirrodin's Core. There's not really much else to say about them, we don't know a lot about how the giant ball of mana in Mirrodin's core works, other than it jettisoned five colored mana balls over the course of a couple hundred years.

I think in Fifth Dawn Memnarch or Karn mentioned that they were an effect of the Plane destabilizing due to Karn not being there.

Essentially, they're there to compensate for the fact that metal supposedly can't produce mana. They're the plane's mana sources.

The golbins have a bizarre mythology involving them

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The Mirran 'Suns' are clusters of mana that were jettisoned from Mirrodin's Core. There's not really much else to say about them, we don't know a lot about how the giant ball of mana in Mirrodin's core works, other than it jettisoned five colored mana balls over the course of a couple hundred years.

I think in Fifth Dawn Memnarch or Karn mentioned that they were an effect of the Plane destabilizing due to Karn not being there.

I just finished Fifth Dawn today, actually, and it's never mentioned. It's a fine supposition, and it might have been mentioned in Darksteel and I just missed it, but I don't think it's ever explicitly stated. Maybe implied.

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The Mirran 'Suns' are clusters of mana that were jettisoned from Mirrodin's Core. There's not really much else to say about them, we don't know a lot about how the giant ball of mana in Mirrodin's core works, other than it jettisoned five colored mana balls over the course of a couple hundred years.

I think in Fifth Dawn Memnarch or Karn mentioned that they were an effect of the Plane destabilizing due to Karn not being there.

I just finished Fifth Dawn today, actually, and it's never mentioned. It's a fine supposition, and it might have been mentioned in Darksteel and I just missed it, but I don't think it's ever explicitly stated. Maybe implied.

Really now? I could have sworn it was brought up during the climax, by either Memmnarch or Karn when they were explaining why Memmnarch needed a planeswalker's spark to steal.

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Really now? I could have sworn it was brought up during the climax, by either Memmnarch or Karn when they were explaining why Memmnarch needed a planeswalker's spark to steal.

No, at least not in Fifth Dawn. At the climax Memnarch and Glissa fall into the mana core, but very little is said about the suns. It could have been The Darksteel Eye, though. Memnarch talks about why he needs the green sun's eruption to steal Glissa's spark (he's imitating the Legacy Weapon). When that fails, he has Slobad build the Ascension Web instead.

my mistake then, my bad. that is what I get for putting all my books in storage for a decade.

So the Mirran Suns, at least for Memnarch's usage, were like the various pieces of Ramos for the Legacy Weapon?

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So the Mirran Suns, at least for Memnarch's usage, were like the various pieces of Ramos for the Legacy Weapon?

Memnarch situated the Panopticon directly under the Radix deep in the core, with the goal that he would use the Green Sun's ejection to imitate that process, yes, and get Glissa's spark.

And we do need to note Memnarch was SUPER CRAY CRAY so yes the plan was utterly insane to even consider a viable solution for any problem, he was crazy enough that his hallucinations of Karn were powerful enough to keep Karn from manifesting on Mirrodin.

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And we do need to note Memnarch was SUPER CRAY CRAY so yes the plan was utterly insane to even consider a viable solution for any problem, he was crazy enough that his hallucinations of Karn were powerful enough to keep Karn from manifesting on Mirrodin.

Sidebar: In The Darksteel Eye Memnarch DOES say that the core is coming apart with Karn.

So if the core was coming apart was something destabilizing? Is the plane, as New Phyrexia, still stable or is it just slowly coming apart at the seams?

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So if the core was coming apart was something destabilizing? Is the plane, as New Phyrexia, still stable or is it just slowly coming apart at the seams?

It's not entirely clear. I think the core is stable for now, or at the very least for a long time from now.

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So if the core was coming apart was something destabilizing? Is the plane, as New Phyrexia, still stable or is it just slowly coming apart at the seams?

It's not entirely clear. I think the core is stable for now, or at the very least for a long time from now.

Well the Phyrexians have had Karn in the core for the most part since the mending, so he may have been stabilizing it, we really do need an explanation of how the Mending affected created planes, hopefully we get it by the time we return or during New Phyrexia 2/Mirrodin 3

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So if the core was coming apart was something destabilizing? Is the plane, as New Phyrexia, still stable or is it just slowly coming apart at the seams?

It's not entirely clear. I think the core is stable for now, or at the very least for a long time from now.

Well the Phyrexians have had Karn in the core for the most part since the mending, so he may have been stabilizing it, we really do need an explanation of how the Mending affected created planes, hopefully we get it by the time we return or during New Phyrexia 2/Mirrodin 3

Well, we're going to another created plane soon enough, so maybe we'll get some hints from Bolas there.

Either way, New Phyrexia doesn't have Karn now and I doubt the Praetors have what it takes to stabilize the core (Memnarch was way more determined even though he was crazy and even he couldn't keep the core stable). If anything I think the core will destabilize itself again after a while and combined together with Tezzeret our new walking Planar Bridge, we may very well uncover his true attempt at being Father of the Machines, I mean until now his entire relationship with the New Phyrexians have been murky and considering the Praetors aren't exactly the smartest beings around (smartest among themselves, but not across the multiverse), a walking Planar Bridge might be equal to a core stabilizer in terms of worship (considering the texts of Old Phyrexia they have...)

We also have to remember there's a difference between creating a world on an existing, empty plane and creating an entire plane from scratch.

Serra's Realm was an entire plane from scratch, but I vaguely remember word of god saying Argentum was created in an existing, but desolate, plane.

Karn needing to 'manage' the mana core may not have been about keeping the plane stable, but keeping the mana core stable.