Also since they already arrested Baral, are they going to release him again to dispel the illusions? I guess maybe Baan would see that possibility and allow it, although I'm not entirely sure why Baan would be motivated to sabotage the "aether disruptor" either, it doesn't seem like his top priority would be to protect Tezzeret's stolen pet project.
Sounds like Saheeli is probably going to get some kind of "I have to stay and help rebuild" write-off for now, which I guess fits the character so far but does explain why Maro initially said "yeah she's not important to the story".
Personally, I think it makes quite a bit of sense, and was kind of expecting him to be Blue. Mono-Blue? Maybe not, but that's only because I think my views on the colors are a bit unusual these days. See, I think people have gotten so used to thinking about the colors as a personality indicator that they've forgotten why they are associated with certain personalities in the first place. A character can be associated with a certain color as a matter of circumstance (eg. their race, their training, access to mana, etc.), but spells are a tool that do some things better than others depending on their color. Its the same logic players use when building a deck, and for good reason. Far from character's motives being determined by their color, if a character can choose their color of magic its logical for them to choose whatever fits their goals. For example, the character Feldon experimented with all five colors to see if one of them held the secret of getting his wife back, although he was solidly red because his primary training was in red magic. I think its cool when the writers consider a character's color identity based on the character's traits rather than the other way around.
Baral is mono-blue because his true mission isn't to uphold the law, which is something white and especially white-blue is best at. He in fact breaks the law flagrantly as Baan pointed out in pursuing his true goal. Baral is motivated first and formost by his hatred of mages, and thus hatred of magic itself. So he isn't just the counterspell man because it fits a cycle in the card set, but because his character's goal demanded he master counterspelling and anti-magic. I mean, sure, white and green get in on the anti-enchantment act, but they just don't have Blue's more general anti-magic ability. So mono-blue it is.
Also since they already arrested Baral, are they going to release him again to dispel the illusions? I guess maybe Baan would see that possibility and allow it, although I'm not entirely sure why Baan would be motivated to sabotage the "aether disruptor" either, it doesn't seem like his top priority would be to protect Tezzeret's stolen pet project.
Sounds like Saheeli is probably going to get some kind of "I have to stay and help rebuild" write-off for now, which I guess fits the character so far but does explain why Maro initially said "yeah she's not important to the story".
Yeah, with Baan's behavior in this story, and Baan-Baral resolution the story outlined in the book does not make much sense. I can see Tezzeret overruling Baral's arrest, for sure, given his "usefulness" and, well, similar mindset to Tezzeret's...but I cannot him risking his life against the whole Gatewatch and sabotaging, unless coerced somehow.
Well, we have seen "Kiora leaving Zendikar in despair" in the artbook, and then almost ruining the Gatewatch plan by throwing the Halimar Sea on them. So small inconsistencies might arise, but this one would be huge.
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So I thought the story we got today was incredible, we got a great fight between Chandra and Baral (who is an awesome villain) Dovin Baan being incredible, and some very cool sections of POV. I especially liked that the Gearhulks were included in the story, it gives cohesiveness and shows the consulate actively using the inventions they stole. A couple personal favorite parts were when Baral called Chandra out as a 1-trick pony (something I think many people on this forum have brought up as well) and when Chandra showed regret for her past actions and they referenced Purifying Fire (that character development). I really like Baan's character and I'm interested in seeing where he goes. While we're on the Consulate, props to Baral for whupping Chandra's ass. It's always on this forum how the Gatewatch never loses, well Chandra just got the s*** knocked out of her. If not for Nissa she'd be dead.
Last, a prediction, Baral is basically falling apart at this point but we know he's not done storywise. I'm calling he gets rebuilt Darth Vader style in Return to Kaladesh down the line. Maybe Kambal takes a few pointers from Tezzeret's arm and has Baral outfitted with some prosthetics.
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Yeah, the Gearhulks were great to see too. Gideon throwing HIMSELF into the Cataclysmic and Liliana rotting off the Verdurous's tree, that was great.
I must also admit that I liked the return of Shadowblayde and this...
"Out of curiosity, did Lili—did Night Queen choose all our codenames?"
"Oh, yes. She was ever so helpful."
Beefslab, Night Queen, and Cloak Boy...what to say more...
I really, really liked the story.
Gideon reminiscing on Theros, Hixus and the harpy attack on Akros. Him and Chandra remembering Diraden, even kind of explaining that Chandra intentionally lied to him, masking the truth, therefore avoiding a true retcon. His moments when he is invulnerable, but still blacking out from the physical damage, were scary. The moment when he realized he has been duped, just as with the harpies in Akros.
Dovin Baan is pure gold. His interactions with Tezzeret at the HQ, and his interactions with Baral as well.
Baral is a bastard, but one that knows very well what he is doing, and one has to admire how he played Chandra exactly where he wanted her. And as mentioned, if not for Nissa, she was dead. Hopefully this contributes finally to her character growth.
Still, it sets up a number of inconsistencies with what the artbook said. I am curious how it will turn out.
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Isn't Baan working with Tezzeret but still calling the Gatewatch to Kaladesh at the beginning of the story a huge plot hole? It literally makes no sense at all. He most likely knew what was Tezzeret planing and is allied with him but he still called the Gatewatch to stop the inventions thief? How does that make sense?
The Consulate had recognized his talents, which accounted for his rise to the position of senior inspector, overseeing new designs and setting safety standards. And Tezzeret had seen his potential as well, his ability to spot flaws not just in inventions but in the intricate complexities of the Consulate bureaucracy, the Inventors' Fair, and Tezzeret's own rise to power. Yes, Dovin had seen that, too, and subtly helped the metal-mage correct a flaw or two in his schemes. And Tezzeret rewarded him for it.
What happened? he wondered.
Had he lost Tezzeret's favor, somehow? Did Tezzeret hold the arrival of these other Planeswalkers against him? Dovin felt himself growing defensive. Contacting these Planeswalkers—this "Gatewatch"—had been the best possible course of action under the circumstances, given the information available to him at the time. Tezzeret could not blame him for that.
He just always sought the optimal solution. Tezzeret had no knowledge about the Gatewatch, much less Jace (and Liliana) being a part of it. Similarly, Dovin did not know about Chandra being the long-lost Nalaar daughter.
And he called them to protect the Fair against the renegades. He did not expect what unfolded afterwards.
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The real question is what was Tezzeret looking for on Kaladesh? Rashmi's invention only barely made it to the fair, he couldn't have known it would be there.
Was anyone else surprised Baral was mono-blue? I know it fits in the cycle and he's counterspell man but his character and motivations have always seemed more white aligned to me. I certainly was expecting him to be part blue, just not entirely (I expected a UW card). Was anyone else surprised by this? And in what ways would you say Baral is a mono-blue character?
Not suprising since mono blue players are psychopaths that like to taunt and torture others just like Baal
The real question is what was Tezzeret looking for on Kaladesh? Rashmi's invention only barely made it to the fair, he couldn't have known it would be there.
How I see it is that he (or Bolas) had a knack that with such creative environment full of inventors and innovators, there WILL certainly be something worth, well, stealing. That it, in the end, happened to be the material transporter, was just a lucky result.
What is more interesting for me...the Planar Bridge works on aether technology, and it could apparently work only with an immense influx of aether, and when Tezzeret activated it, the whole aethersphere of Kaladesh shook with turbulences. It almost seems like it (activating the Bridge) would be a feature achievable only on Kaladesh with its unique properties - much like no other world that the fully metallic Mirrodin could ever serve as world-sized spark transfer lab. So in the end, what use is the planar bridge core to Tezzeret? They would have to find a similar vast source of energy, if they ever want to use it. Of course, if they can use any mana...
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The real question is what was Tezzeret looking for on Kaladesh? Rashmi's invention only barely made it to the fair, he couldn't have known it would be there.
How I see it is that he (or Bolas) had a knack that with such creative environment full of inventors and innovators, there WILL certainly be something worth, well, stealing. That it, in the end, happened to be the material transporter, was just a lucky result.
What is more interesting for me...the Planar Bridge works on aether technology, and it could apparently work only with an immense influx of aether, and when Tezzeret activated it, the whole aethersphere of Kaladesh shook with turbulences. It almost seems like it (activating the Bridge) would be a feature achievable only on Kaladesh with its unique properties - much like no other world that the fully metallic Mirrodin could ever serve as world-sized spark transfer lab. So in the end, what use is the planar bridge core to Tezzeret? They would have to find a similar vast source of energy, if they ever want to use it. Of course, if they can use any mana...
Aether, eh? If only there was some sort of metal infused with the stuff. An Aetherium of some sort, mayhaps. And if only Tezzeret had access to the stuff.
The real question is what was Tezzeret looking for on Kaladesh? Rashmi's invention only barely made it to the fair, he couldn't have known it would be there.
How I see it is that he (or Bolas) had a knack that with such creative environment full of inventors and innovators, there WILL certainly be something worth, well, stealing. That it, in the end, happened to be the material transporter, was just a lucky result.
What is more interesting for me...the Planar Bridge works on aether technology, and it could apparently work only with an immense influx of aether, and when Tezzeret activated it, the whole aethersphere of Kaladesh shook with turbulences. It almost seems like it (activating the Bridge) would be a feature achievable only on Kaladesh with its unique properties - much like no other world that the fully metallic Mirrodin could ever serve as world-sized spark transfer lab. So in the end, what use is the planar bridge core to Tezzeret? They would have to find a similar vast source of energy, if they ever want to use it. Of course, if they can use any mana...
Aether, eh? If only there was some sort of metal infused with the stuff. An Aetherium of some sort, mayhaps. And if only Tezzeret had access to the stuff.
Indeed. My mistake
Still, etherium is not aether (especially the refined Kaladeshian one), in the same sense that some minerals include water molecules in their structure, but you can hardly drink them ;-) But I can imagine it being used in adapting the device to less ideal conditions than on Kaladesh....
And we do not know Tezzeret has access to etherium; the card suggests so with him making "etherium cells" , but last time I checked, nobody was able to produce the stuff, just remold it.
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The real question is what was Tezzeret looking for on Kaladesh? Rashmi's invention only barely made it to the fair, he couldn't have known it would be there.
How I see it is that he (or Bolas) had a knack that with such creative environment full of inventors and innovators, there WILL certainly be something worth, well, stealing. That it, in the end, happened to be the material transporter, was just a lucky result.
What is more interesting for me...the Planar Bridge works on aether technology, and it could apparently work only with an immense influx of aether, and when Tezzeret activated it, the whole aethersphere of Kaladesh shook with turbulences. It almost seems like it (activating the Bridge) would be a feature achievable only on Kaladesh with its unique properties - much like no other world that the fully metallic Mirrodin could ever serve as world-sized spark transfer lab. So in the end, what use is the planar bridge core to Tezzeret? They would have to find a similar vast source of energy, if they ever want to use it. Of course, if they can use any mana...
What about the Blind Eternities?isn't it full of aether?
And we do not know Tezzeret has access to etherium;
I could be remembering badly, but in the books he had etherium reserves hidden all over the place on different planes, as well as slithers in his own body for emergencies. There's also that hidden pocket-plane with the statue of Crufix that's made entirely of etherium, but I recall him saying that the etherium there couldn't be transported offworld for unknown plot reasons. That said, that book isn't exactly 100% canon.
There's also the fact that Bolas probably has a load for this purpose.
Still, etherium is not aether (especially the refined Kaladeshian one), in the same sense that some minerals include water molecules in their structure, but you can hardly drink them ;-) But I can imagine it being used in adapting the device to less ideal conditions than on Kaladesh....
And we do not know Tezzeret has access to etherium; the card suggests so with him making "etherium cells" , but last time I checked, nobody was able to produce the stuff, just remold it.
Breya, Etherium Shaper can make it, according to her bio. Presumably Tezzeret could as well.
Still, etherium is not aether (especially the refined Kaladeshian one), in the same sense that some minerals include water molecules in their structure, but you can hardly drink them ;-) But I can imagine it being used in adapting the device to less ideal conditions than on Kaladesh....
And we do not know Tezzeret has access to etherium; the card suggests so with him making "etherium cells" , but last time I checked, nobody was able to produce the stuff, just remold it.
Breya, Etherium Shaper can make it, according to her bio. Presumably Tezzeret could as well.
The Seekers of Carmot believe that the substance is made from sangrite and carmot and they possess the Codex Etherium, which supposedly reveals the location of both. However it was revealed by Tezzeret that it was a fraud.
I thought Bolas created the Seekers of Carmot and the whole "recipe for etherium requires Carmot" was a joke he played on Tez?
Man, it's hard to keep up when the novels get retconned all the time.
Exactly one novel has been retconned - Test of Metal. The latest story went out of it's way to unretcon The Purifying Fire somewhat, by making Chandra's statements to gideon a fiction she made up.
And the seekers were a trick, but not on Tezzeret. Bolas did actually know that Esper didn't have the right ingredients. Breya found the secret on her own.
Conjecture: If Amonkhet is the 'nowhere' that Vraska walked to, is the Gatewatch going to be able to just go there?
Wild conjecture: If they have to find it, perhaps they will need.. I don't know.. a Hunter of some kind?
It's implied on the flavor text of the non-masterpiece Paradox Engine that it was what convinced Tezzeret he should take a closer look at Kaladesh.
Also, Vryn (Jace's home plane with all the mage rings funneling aether Mage-ring network) seems like a perfect place for Tezzeret to fuel his portal. Whenever we get a Vryn block I'm wondering if the key story points will be Jace remembering his past while the gatewatch fights to stop Tezzeret from controlling the mage ring network. Energy could show up again but it could be shown through mechanics that on Vry energy is used to power spells rather than artifice.
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Still, etherium is not aether (especially the refined Kaladeshian one), in the same sense that some minerals include water molecules in their structure, but you can hardly drink them ;-) But I can imagine it being used in adapting the device to less ideal conditions than on Kaladesh....
And we do not know Tezzeret has access to etherium; the card suggests so with him making "etherium cells" , but last time I checked, nobody was able to produce the stuff, just remold it.
Breya, Etherium Shaper can make it, according to her bio. Presumably Tezzeret could as well.
What about the Blind Eternities?isn't it full of aether?
There's also that.
Oh well, Breya, a complementary product character whose six-lines description nullifies what we have known before. But you are right,if they now allow Breya create etherium, why not Tezz. Meh...
@RedGauntlet: Of course. But I envision it similarly like with water - it is full of oxygen,but unless refined (electrolyzed,for example),you cannot breathe it or burn it. So having Blind Eternities full of unreachable/unusable aether does not help anyway.
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Oh well, Breya, a complementary product character whose six-lines description nullifies what we have known before. But you are right,if they now allow Breya create etherium, why not Tezz. Meh...
I mean, in Alara Unbroken Esperites had found what they believed to be Carmot already. It stands to reason in the years since (in-game time) someone actually got it to work.
The whole reason that people on Esper couldn't make etherium anymore was because it required materials that had been lost to the plane when Alara was shattered. Once the shards of Alara were reunited, those materials would've been available again.
Yeah,yeah,my bad. I misremembered that the sangrite =/= carmot was a Test of Metal thing,and that they now essentially keep to what they said originally.
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Sounds like Saheeli is probably going to get some kind of "I have to stay and help rebuild" write-off for now, which I guess fits the character so far but does explain why Maro initially said "yeah she's not important to the story".
Baral is mono-blue because his true mission isn't to uphold the law, which is something white and especially white-blue is best at. He in fact breaks the law flagrantly as Baan pointed out in pursuing his true goal. Baral is motivated first and formost by his hatred of mages, and thus hatred of magic itself. So he isn't just the counterspell man because it fits a cycle in the card set, but because his character's goal demanded he master counterspelling and anti-magic. I mean, sure, white and green get in on the anti-enchantment act, but they just don't have Blue's more general anti-magic ability. So mono-blue it is.
Yeah, with Baan's behavior in this story, and Baan-Baral resolution the story outlined in the book does not make much sense. I can see Tezzeret overruling Baral's arrest, for sure, given his "usefulness" and, well, similar mindset to Tezzeret's...but I cannot him risking his life against the whole Gatewatch and sabotaging, unless coerced somehow.
Well, we have seen "Kiora leaving Zendikar in despair" in the artbook, and then almost ruining the Gatewatch plan by throwing the Halimar Sea on them. So small inconsistencies might arise, but this one would be huge.
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Last, a prediction, Baral is basically falling apart at this point but we know he's not done storywise. I'm calling he gets rebuilt Darth Vader style in Return to Kaladesh down the line. Maybe Kambal takes a few pointers from Tezzeret's arm and has Baral outfitted with some prosthetics.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
I must also admit that I liked the return of Shadowblayde and this...
Beefslab, Night Queen, and Cloak Boy...what to say more...
I really, really liked the story.
Gideon reminiscing on Theros, Hixus and the harpy attack on Akros. Him and Chandra remembering Diraden, even kind of explaining that Chandra intentionally lied to him, masking the truth, therefore avoiding a true retcon. His moments when he is invulnerable, but still blacking out from the physical damage, were scary. The moment when he realized he has been duped, just as with the harpies in Akros.
Dovin Baan is pure gold. His interactions with Tezzeret at the HQ, and his interactions with Baral as well.
Baral is a bastard, but one that knows very well what he is doing, and one has to admire how he played Chandra exactly where he wanted her. And as mentioned, if not for Nissa, she was dead. Hopefully this contributes finally to her character growth.
Still, it sets up a number of inconsistencies with what the artbook said. I am curious how it will turn out.
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You are getting it wrong.
Read this story. Namely this paragraph:
He just always sought the optimal solution. Tezzeret had no knowledge about the Gatewatch, much less Jace (and Liliana) being a part of it. Similarly, Dovin did not know about Chandra being the long-lost Nalaar daughter.
And he called them to protect the Fair against the renegades. He did not expect what unfolded afterwards.
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Not suprising since mono blue players are psychopaths that like to taunt and torture others just like Baal
How I see it is that he (or Bolas) had a knack that with such creative environment full of inventors and innovators, there WILL certainly be something worth, well, stealing. That it, in the end, happened to be the material transporter, was just a lucky result.
What is more interesting for me...the Planar Bridge works on aether technology, and it could apparently work only with an immense influx of aether, and when Tezzeret activated it, the whole aethersphere of Kaladesh shook with turbulences. It almost seems like it (activating the Bridge) would be a feature achievable only on Kaladesh with its unique properties - much like no other world that the fully metallic Mirrodin could ever serve as world-sized spark transfer lab. So in the end, what use is the planar bridge core to Tezzeret? They would have to find a similar vast source of energy, if they ever want to use it. Of course, if they can use any mana...
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Indeed. My mistake
Still, etherium is not aether (especially the refined Kaladeshian one), in the same sense that some minerals include water molecules in their structure, but you can hardly drink them ;-) But I can imagine it being used in adapting the device to less ideal conditions than on Kaladesh....
And we do not know Tezzeret has access to etherium; the card suggests so with him making "etherium cells" , but last time I checked, nobody was able to produce the stuff, just remold it.
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What about the Blind Eternities?isn't it full of aether?
I could be remembering badly, but in the books he had etherium reserves hidden all over the place on different planes, as well as slithers in his own body for emergencies. There's also that hidden pocket-plane with the statue of Crufix that's made entirely of etherium, but I recall him saying that the etherium there couldn't be transported offworld for unknown plot reasons. That said, that book isn't exactly 100% canon.
There's also the fact that Bolas probably has a load for this purpose.
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There's also that.
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I thought Bolas created the Seekers of Carmot and the whole "recipe for etherium requires Carmot" was a joke he played on Tez?
Man, it's hard to keep up when the novels get retconned all the time.
From the wiki: http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Etherium
The Seekers of Carmot believe that the substance is made from sangrite and carmot and they possess the Codex Etherium, which supposedly reveals the location of both. However it was revealed by Tezzeret that it was a fraud.
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And the seekers were a trick, but not on Tezzeret. Bolas did actually know that Esper didn't have the right ingredients. Breya found the secret on her own.
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Wild conjecture: If they have to find it, perhaps they will need.. I don't know.. a Hunter of some kind?
It's implied on the flavor text of the non-masterpiece Paradox Engine that it was what convinced Tezzeret he should take a closer look at Kaladesh.
Also, Vryn (Jace's home plane with all the mage rings funneling aether Mage-ring network) seems like a perfect place for Tezzeret to fuel his portal. Whenever we get a Vryn block I'm wondering if the key story points will be Jace remembering his past while the gatewatch fights to stop Tezzeret from controlling the mage ring network. Energy could show up again but it could be shown through mechanics that on Vry energy is used to power spells rather than artifice.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
Oh well, Breya, a complementary product character whose six-lines description nullifies what we have known before. But you are right,if they now allow Breya create etherium, why not Tezz. Meh...
@RedGauntlet: Of course. But I envision it similarly like with water - it is full of oxygen,but unless refined (electrolyzed,for example),you cannot breathe it or burn it. So having Blind Eternities full of unreachable/unusable aether does not help anyway.
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