It would be sick if Gideon returns to Theros, hears of Elspeth and overthrows his father the way Zeus did and Chronos did before him. A common trope in Greek mythology.
Why would he want to overthrow Heliod? He doesnt even know Elspeth and so far Gideon hasn't shown any hatred towards Heliod. Ajani hates him obviously but Gideon is not a man to let personal grievances get in the way of what he perceives to be the greater good. The only reason he got involved in Kaladesh was because of Tezzeret. The one time he saw him and Heliod together, he became his champion and years later he was working for an interplanar organisation that bears a suspiciouly similar name ( I like to think that its common for Therans to have their names mispronounced by people in other planes XD)
Which is one of the reasons I found it strange when they suddenly threw in the fact that apparently Gideon is not a big fan of the Theros gods in general in the beginning of Amonkhet. It doesnt make much sense to me considering he has never met any of the pantheon except Heliod and Erebos. He has no real reason to hate the first (in fact if memory serves he was filled with awe and pride) and only some cause to hate the second (specifically for the circunstances that led to the attack on Akros. The blood of the irregulars is on Gideon's hands and no one else's.)
It would be sick if Gideon returns to Theros, hears of Elspeth and overthrows his father the way Zeus did and Chronos did before him. A common trope in Greek mythology.
Why would he want to overthrow Heliod? He doesnt even know Elspeth and so far Gideon hasn't shown any hatred towards Heliod. Ajani hates him obviously but Gideon is not a man to let personal grievances get in the way of what he perceives to be the greater good. The only reason he got involved in Kaladesh was because of Tezzeret. The one time he saw him and Heliod together, he became his champion and years later he was working for an interplanar organisation that bears a suspiciouly similar name ( I like to think that its common for Therans to have their names mispronounced by people in other planes XD)
Which is one of the reasons I found it strange when they suddenly threw in the fact that apparently Gideon is not a big fan of the Theros gods in general in the beginning of Amonkhet. It doesnt make much sense to me considering he has never met any of the pantheon except Heliod and Erebos. He has no real reason to hate the first (in fact if memory serves he was filled with awe and pride) and only some cause to hate the second (specifically for the circunstances that led to the attack on Akros. The blood of the irregulars is on Gideon's hands and no one else's.)
I personally don't find Heliod to be a villain either. Just an idea, if Ajani, who is now a GW member, may wish to continue a crusade against Heliod. Where did it say Gideon dislikes the Theros gods? Erebos I can understand, but did he really feel that way? Either way, the prophecy by Hazoret has interesting implications.
I feel saying "the eternals aren't that impressive, they can get killed by a god-weapon" is like saying "that jiu jitsu master isn't that impressive, he can get killed by a nuke." Gods, and by extension their weaponry, are OP by definition, anything too powerful to be taken down by a god weapon (Bolas, the scorpion god) should be viewed as a whole different level of badass all on its own. Now if we see Gideon mowing through eternals the same way he plowed through Ulamog spawn then they will gain cannon-fodder status but until then I think that, in a city full of peak combatants, the fact that the only eternal we see brought down needed a godweapon to be killed is a very telling sign of their power and threat level.
It's also worth mentioning that the gods being able to destroy the Eternals is probably why Bolas is killing them all, and why Bolas is wrecking everything. What if Oketra could have granted Gideon a boon that allowed him to lay waste to the Eternals? Bolas couldn't risk it.
I personally don't find Heliod to be a villain either. Just an idea, if Ajani, who is now a GW member, may wish to continue a crusade against Heliod. Where did it say Gideon dislikes the Theros gods? Erebos I can understand, but did he really feel that way? Either way, the prophecy by Hazoret has interesting implications.
Its from episode 2 of Amonkhet:
"If I could feel such devotion again . . . He shook his head. How could I trust a god again?
The mission Heliod had set before him had led to the death of Gideon's closest friends, his Irregulars. The god of death, Erebos, had destroyed them with a flick of the wrist, punishing Gideon's hubris. The idea of putting his trust in such a divine being ever again felt like a betrayal of their memory."
Again, it makes no sense to me. Gideon tried to take on Erbeos alone, got his friends killed and somehow that means everyone in the pantheon somehow are unworthy of his trust and devotion just by being divine beings? Thats extremely shortsighted.
Well most of Theros came off as "The gods are dicks but dammit theyre our gods." Its easy to blame gods for things. It is kind of weird that he blames Heliod. You'd think he'd be mad at Erebos. But its entirely possible that when Ajani tells Gids of what Heliod did he would get his righteous fury in a bunch. Hell it could even come to light once we go back that Heliod knew that would happen and set Gideon up thinking Erebos would kill him to prevent the aforementioned Zeus/Kronos situation. Sort of like what Zues did with Kratos in God of war.
I feel saying "the eternals aren't that impressive, they can get killed by a god-weapon" is like saying "that jiu jitsu master isn't that impressive, he can get killed by a nuke." Gods, and by extension their weaponry, are OP by definition, anything too powerful to be taken down by a god weapon (Bolas, the scorpion god) should be viewed as a whole different level of badass all on its own. Now if we see Gideon mowing through eternals the same way he plowed through Ulamog spawn then they will gain cannon-fodder status but until then I think that, in a city full of peak combatants, the fact that the only eternal we see brought down needed a godweapon to be killed is a very telling sign of their power and threat level.
As far as assesing threat level goes:
These are combatants with a lifetime of dedication to training for combat prowess. Other combatants can reach the same level (but obviously they will be few and far between).
The advantage their eternalhood gives them is that they don't grow tired so they can fight at peak level indefinitly. This means that a non-eternal combatant of the same level of training needs to have some magic aid, as they will eventually be defeated when worn down.
We don't know what benefits the Lazotep armor has combatwise, though it's probably effectively full plate armor without the encumbrance that normally goes with it.
Since it's the Lazotep that makes them retain their skills post mortem, it stands to reason to think that if the Lazotep is damaged enough, the eternal will be destroyed as well.
In conclusion, I don't think you need to be of a divine power level to defeat them, but a human(oid) or anything weaker will need the assistance of magic to be able to overcome one. A Giant is probably able to defeat one, though I can easily see a group of a few eternals overcoming a Giant whem working together.
This would make a lot of sense to me, they should be powerful enough to be a credible threat to the GW and whoever else they face but not so powerful that if a skilled opponent kills a few in succession everyone says "ah NERFED, wotc built these guys up but they're just red shirts!" The parameters you've described really fit that bill.
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I personally don't find Heliod to be a villain either. Just an idea, if Ajani, who is now a GW member, may wish to continue a crusade against Heliod. Where did it say Gideon dislikes the Theros gods? Erebos I can understand, but did he really feel that way? Either way, the prophecy by Hazoret has interesting implications.
Its from episode 2 of Amonkhet:
"If I could feel such devotion again . . . He shook his head. How could I trust a god again?
The mission Heliod had set before him had led to the death of Gideon's closest friends, his Irregulars. The god of death, Erebos, had destroyed them with a flick of the wrist, punishing Gideon's hubris. The idea of putting his trust in such a divine being ever again felt like a betrayal of their memory."
Again, it makes no sense to me. Gideon tried to take on Erbeos alone, got his friends killed and somehow that means everyone in the pantheon somehow are unworthy of his trust and devotion just by being divine beings? Thats extremely shortsighted.
Yeah, I'm not sure about those sentiments either. Gideon destroyed his friends, not Erebos. Although to be fair, Gideon's entire mission was inspired by Erebos's actions with his titan - though even that can be justified by having to keep the natural order of the plane intact. In that, the dead belong in the underworld. So really, it's not adding up.
Just a fun observation about the opening line of the last story:
The God-Pharaoh has returned, and the five Hours have arrived as foretold. The Hours of Revelation, Glory, and Promise unleashed disaster upon Naktamun, and now the Hour of Eternity brings an unimaginably personal terror to the city's denizens.
Where there was told that there are five Hours? They were always four of them foretold?
"When the Second Sun rests between the horns on the horizon, so begins the Hour of Revelation. Then the Hour of Glory, the Hour of Promise, and finally the Hour of Eternity."
—The Accounting of Hours
Yeah, I'm not sure about those sentiments either. Gideon destroyed his friends, not Erebos. Although to be fair, Gideon's entire mission was inspired by Erebos's actions with his titan - though even that can be justified by having to keep the natural order of the plane intact. In that, the dead belong in the underworld. So really, it's not adding up.
No Erebos killed the irregulars. Gideon threw Heliods spear and Erebos threw it back. I mean yeah Gideon got to up into himself but Erebos chose to throw the spear back instead of any number of other options he would have had.
Yeah, I'm not sure about those sentiments either. Gideon destroyed his friends, not Erebos. Although to be fair, Gideon's entire mission was inspired by Erebos's actions with his titan - though even that can be justified by having to keep the natural order of the plane intact. In that, the dead belong in the underworld. So really, it's not adding up.
No Erebos killed the irregulars. Gideon threw Heliods spear and Erebos threw it back. I mean yeah Gideon got to up into himself but Erebos chose to throw the spear back instead of any number of other options he would have had.
Expecting a god to reward hubris was Gideon's mistake. He knew how petty his gods were too.
Just a fun observation about the opening line of the last story:
The God-Pharaoh has returned, and the five Hours have arrived as foretold. The Hours of Revelation, Glory, and Promise unleashed disaster upon Naktamun, and now the Hour of Eternity brings an unimaginably personal terror to the city's denizens.
Where there was told that there are five Hours? They were always four of them foretold?
"When the Second Sun rests between the horns on the horizon, so begins the Hour of Revelation. Then the Hour of Glory, the Hour of Promise, and finally the Hour of Eternity."
—The Accounting of Hours
Yeah just a typo lol. Not like the Hour of Devastation would be a particularly fun hour to look forward too.
Something unusual this author also did was give Oketra's arrows physical form, whereas to my knowledge, they've only ever manifested as solidified light up to this point. It fit the story though
How likely is it that Lazotep has some immunity to phyrexian oil and Bolas plans to use them on New Phyrexia?
Given that Lazotep is a Metal? I would say unlikely. Besides New Phyrexia is a recent development for the most part so him setting up the Eternalized for that wouldn't make much sense.
can someone tell me what happened when bolas arrived and why he killed the gods (and how)
i mean, why didnt he let his factory produce more and more zombies ? why stop and destroy everything ?
AND
i get bolas is evil, but he is also that ancient smart being, what does he gain from destroying planes ? i dont think he is the kind of evil one destroying stuff just for fun, there has to be a gaining for him, or not ?
Well the truth is we mostly don't know. The primary theory is that it was unsustainable. The longer the system went on the more likely a dissenter(like Samut) would succeed in convincing enough people that there was something wrong that it would throw a wrench in Bolas' plans.
Something else people seem to overlook or not understand is that Bolas isn't as pragmatic as, say, Ob Nixilis. Sometimes Bolas does just do things because he ****in wants to and because, being a 25,000 year old dragon, he ****in can.
A question on the nature of the undead on Amonkhet.
On Amonkhet when a creature dies it rises as undead and it is something that is happening only on this plane, so... Supposing an undead from Amonkhet crosses the blind eternities to another plane, will it still be a functional undead?
On other planes we saw undeads being sustained by magic (in case of necromancy) or by either electricity ot ghosts for manufactured undeads on Innistrad), yet they still run by some kind of energy, being it mana or a spirit or lightning.
It is possible to assume that undeads on Amonkhet are sustained by the plane itself, so severing their connection with the plane would make them "run on battery life" so to speak.
If that is the fase, I wonder how will Bolas manage to keep his army recharged on other planes and if that is not the case, what are Amonkhet undeads running on?
There are multiple options how they don't have to rely on the Curse of Wandering to sustain themselves anymore:
a) The cartouches are functioning as batteries or generators.
b) The Lazothep itself upholds the curse or gives them the energy necessary to go on.
c) Nicol Blas himself sustains his army, even from vast distances.
d) Once the curse takes hold and the undead rise they don't have to be sustained anymore.
e) A combination of any of the above.
So I think next week's story is going to be the Hour of Devastation, with the Planeswalkers fighting Bolas (and losing). After that it'll be more of an epilogue, showing the survivors trying to figure out how to navigate this new world, and finishing with Samut's spark going off. It'll be interesting to see where she ends up landing, and how she's going to feel about all this. Chances are, she won't be happy for leaving when her people needed her the most (which may not lead to fond memories on their part either)
So I think next week's story is going to be the Hour of Devastation, with the Planeswalkers fighting Bolas (and losing). After that it'll be more of an epilogue, showing the survivors trying to figure out how to navigate this new world, and finishing with Samut's spark going off. It'll be interesting to see where she ends up landing, and how she's going to feel about all this. Chances are, she won't be happy for leaving when her people needed her the most (which may not lead to fond memories on their part either)
Next week will be Samut story, week after that will be Hour of Devastation. You can tell from the gray out images on the story page;
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and why did bolas not kill the gatewatch ? or at least one of them ? how did they survive the encounter and how did the gods not ?
am i to stupid to find the short stories on the wizards page or did they stop putting them on ?
The Gatewatch hasn't confronted Bolas yet. He just arrived. Since Hour of Devastation is the week after next thats probably when we will see that. However its probably because Bolas is a dick that wants to you with them first and kill them later.
1. Planeswalkers can planeswalk away from danger, all of the gatewatch are very capable of escaping before they die.
2. I believe WOTC still puts the stories on the articles section of the MTG site.
1. Planeswalkers can planeswalk away from danger, all of the gatewatch are very capable of escaping before they die.
2. I believe WOTC still puts the stories on the articles section of the MTG site.
1) Not all planeswalkers can, necessarily; Elspeth, for instance, was apparently not very good at it (I'm not referring to her getting ganked by Heliod, that was a surprise attack that any planeswalker might be vulnerable to, I'm referring to the story where she writes a letter to Ajani. She specifically calls out that it takes her a good deal of time/preparation to 'walk.)
But yes, it seems all the Gatewatch are capable of it.
2) yeah, that's where I always find them. You can get to them from the Magic story page, but I find it somewhat unintuitive.
On mobile it's Story > Magic's Story > Learn More (under the first section) > click the current block > click the current article.
It's better to just hit Articles Home and scroll down IMO.
Wish Elspeth had escaped Heliod over Kiora and Thassa tbh
Aside from the whole underworld Nyx situation, makes you wonder if Xenagos walked too, or even could have.
It is a little odd that all 5 managed to walk from Bolas at the right time. Perhaps he was preoccupied with the Hours to focus on eradicating them right then. Or it being 5 on 1 gave them each a chance.
It is a little odd that all 5 managed to walk from Bolas at the right time. Perhaps he was preoccupied with the Hours to focus on eradicating them right then. Or it being 5 on 1 gave them each a chance.
Bolas wants to humiliate the gatewatch and show them how little they are next to him on Amonkhet rather then kill them since he plans to manipulate the group for his own plans later on. He basically forces each of them to run from him or be killed, but he gives them the window to flee.
I bet rares this next weeks story will be called Tested.
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Why would he want to overthrow Heliod? He doesnt even know Elspeth and so far Gideon hasn't shown any hatred towards Heliod. Ajani hates him obviously but Gideon is not a man to let personal grievances get in the way of what he perceives to be the greater good. The only reason he got involved in Kaladesh was because of Tezzeret. The one time he saw him and Heliod together, he became his champion and years later he was working for an interplanar organisation that bears a suspiciouly similar name ( I like to think that its common for Therans to have their names mispronounced by people in other planes XD)
Which is one of the reasons I found it strange when they suddenly threw in the fact that apparently Gideon is not a big fan of the Theros gods in general in the beginning of Amonkhet. It doesnt make much sense to me considering he has never met any of the pantheon except Heliod and Erebos. He has no real reason to hate the first (in fact if memory serves he was filled with awe and pride) and only some cause to hate the second (specifically for the circunstances that led to the attack on Akros. The blood of the irregulars is on Gideon's hands and no one else's.)
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When we return to Theros and they explore Gideon's demi-god powers (his indestructible aura), I think him fighting a titan will make a lot more sense.
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Its from episode 2 of Amonkhet:
"If I could feel such devotion again . . . He shook his head. How could I trust a god again?
The mission Heliod had set before him had led to the death of Gideon's closest friends, his Irregulars. The god of death, Erebos, had destroyed them with a flick of the wrist, punishing Gideon's hubris. The idea of putting his trust in such a divine being ever again felt like a betrayal of their memory."
Again, it makes no sense to me. Gideon tried to take on Erbeos alone, got his friends killed and somehow that means everyone in the pantheon somehow are unworthy of his trust and devotion just by being divine beings? Thats extremely shortsighted.
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This would make a lot of sense to me, they should be powerful enough to be a credible threat to the GW and whoever else they face but not so powerful that if a skilled opponent kills a few in succession everyone says "ah NERFED, wotc built these guys up but they're just red shirts!" The parameters you've described really fit that bill.
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Where there was told that there are five Hours? They were always four of them foretold?
No Erebos killed the irregulars. Gideon threw Heliods spear and Erebos threw it back. I mean yeah Gideon got to up into himself but Erebos chose to throw the spear back instead of any number of other options he would have had.
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Yeah just a typo lol. Not like the Hour of Devastation would be a particularly fun hour to look forward too.
Something unusual this author also did was give Oketra's arrows physical form, whereas to my knowledge, they've only ever manifested as solidified light up to this point. It fit the story though
Given that Lazotep is a Metal? I would say unlikely. Besides New Phyrexia is a recent development for the most part so him setting up the Eternalized for that wouldn't make much sense.
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Well the truth is we mostly don't know. The primary theory is that it was unsustainable. The longer the system went on the more likely a dissenter(like Samut) would succeed in convincing enough people that there was something wrong that it would throw a wrench in Bolas' plans.
Something else people seem to overlook or not understand is that Bolas isn't as pragmatic as, say, Ob Nixilis. Sometimes Bolas does just do things because he ****in wants to and because, being a 25,000 year old dragon, he ****in can.
He's basically the little child that waited an entire year for its christmas present and now tries it out for the first time.
There are multiple options how they don't have to rely on the Curse of Wandering to sustain themselves anymore:
a) The cartouches are functioning as batteries or generators.
b) The Lazothep itself upholds the curse or gives them the energy necessary to go on.
c) Nicol Blas himself sustains his army, even from vast distances.
d) Once the curse takes hold and the undead rise they don't have to be sustained anymore.
e) A combination of any of the above.
Next week will be Samut story, week after that will be Hour of Devastation. You can tell from the gray out images on the story page;
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The Gatewatch hasn't confronted Bolas yet. He just arrived. Since Hour of Devastation is the week after next thats probably when we will see that. However its probably because Bolas is a dick that wants to you with them first and kill them later.
2. I believe WOTC still puts the stories on the articles section of the MTG site.
1) Not all planeswalkers can, necessarily; Elspeth, for instance, was apparently not very good at it (I'm not referring to her getting ganked by Heliod, that was a surprise attack that any planeswalker might be vulnerable to, I'm referring to the story where she writes a letter to Ajani. She specifically calls out that it takes her a good deal of time/preparation to 'walk.)
But yes, it seems all the Gatewatch are capable of it.
2) yeah, that's where I always find them. You can get to them from the Magic story page, but I find it somewhat unintuitive.
On mobile it's Story > Magic's Story > Learn More (under the first section) > click the current block > click the current article.
That's a lot of unnecessary page loads IMO.
Wish Elspeth had escaped Heliod over Kiora and Thassa tbh
Aside from the whole underworld Nyx situation, makes you wonder if Xenagos walked too, or even could have.
It is a little odd that all 5 managed to walk from Bolas at the right time. Perhaps he was preoccupied with the Hours to focus on eradicating them right then. Or it being 5 on 1 gave them each a chance.
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I bet rares this next weeks story will be called Tested.
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