Not really sure what you're arguing there. At best sounds like Planeswalkers shouldn't care because they aren't personally invested. Which I don't really agree with, but not exactly something worth debating given that it's purely subjective and deals more with how people approach life and morals, not exactly wanting to make the Nahiri argument get more out of control.
Not really sure what you're arguing there. At best sounds like Planeswalkers shouldn't care because they aren't personally invested. Which I don't really agree with, but not exactly something worth debating given that it's purely subjective and deals more with how people approach life and morals, not exactly wanting to make the Nahiri argument get more out of control.
I'm not making an ethical argument just a psychological one.
People are self centered and its incredibly difficult to really genuinely care about mass killings, even in real life, especially when you don't know the victims well. If someone punches you in the face they become the target of far more of your rage than some warlord slaughtering villagers by the dozen. Its even harder to make people empathize with fictional victims they've never met and know nothing about.
I'd question that based off of how I've seen people act, as well as how I do, but it's still going to lead us down an even further tangent than we are debating Nahiri.
When Sorin left Zendikar knowing it would be consumed(in the first block) he already knew Nahiri was sealed and that she could help, when Ugin awoke from his cocoon the first thing he said to him was what happened to her, and he said to Sorin that whatever he had done to her he should find her, of course Sorin was lying, he knew perfectly well where she was, he knew that the three toghether maybe could hold a chance against the eldrazi, still he left zendikar to it's fate. He never cared about Innistrad either and that's why Olivia knew that he was lying when he asked to be releesed from the stone prision. Nahiri has done to Sorin everything Sorin deserved. If she could handle onle the Eldrazi, she would have saved Zendikar. If a plane must suffer, it is from all of them Innistrad. Emrakul consumes planes, and if it is not Innistrad it will be another plane. So:
- she can't trap the eldrazi anymore
- she need help , but he forsaken her plane because of his own interests.
- not only he didn't help her, she moked her
- not only she didn't apologyse, he trapped her for a 1000 years.
- he dosen't care about the fate of the people of Innistrad, in fact he sees humans a vampire cattle.
So Nahiri's act are reasonable for a person that has suffered so much, that has been despised, tortured for centuries. She is not evil, she is vegeant, and because there are moral arguments for her actions, she is not only red, but boros. Maybe one day she will find out about Zendikar or Ugin and she will find peace, but the internal logic of her actions are not mad nor evil.
I don't know how things operate in 2-edgy-5-me-land, but around causing genocide out of a petty grudge is evil and irrational.
Also you're still ignoring she doesn't intend to trap Emrakul. How desperate.
Getting conned into helping Cthulu eat your home planet is "petty", huh?
Except Sorin didn't mean that to happen. And yes, it is incredibly petty considering she's willing to condemn thousands of people to unspeakable horror just to make ONE person suffer.
A closer equivalent feels more like "it's fine to kill any one human because so long as it's not in mass it doesn't matter much". Which is one way to look at things I suppose, but seems rather self-centered.
No, the closer equivalent would be "its fine to kill any one human if it saves 1,000." He wasn't just talking about Nahiri, who may very well just be temporarily redirecting Emrakul to a plane she doesn't like. He also mentioned Urza and Ugin, who have done some fairly horrible things in the service of the greater good of protecting the multiverse. Urza collapsed a plane (albeit one that was already failing), conducted genetic experiments, blew up time, and committed murder (both mass and personal), but wasn't the villain because all of those things served a greater purpose: stopping Yawgmoth, who if unchecked would have eventually spread Phyrexia throughout the multiverse. Ugin was completely willing to let Zendikar burn, lied (by omission) to Jace to stop him from trying to destroy the Eldrazi, and was super pissed when the Gatewatch succeeded, but he wasn't the villain, because it all served a greater purpose: he was worried that destroying the Eldrazi could have even worse consequences for the multiverse, and that the fate of one plane, or even several, was not worth risking the health of ALL the planes. Nahiri, at this point, has not proven that she was after anything more than revenge. If that is so, then she is the villain. If it turns out that the artbook was right in broad strokes but missed on details (like it was in BFZ), and Nahiri's endgame really is to trap Emrakul on the moon and sacrifice Sorin to do so, then she isn't the villain, because it would serve a greater purpose, protecting the multiverse from Emrakul, while only harming one plane. She willingly harmed her own plane by sealing the Eldrazi there to protect the multiverse, and that was rightly called heroic. This story has been throwing red herrings left and right, so at this point I'm waiting for the end.
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Well, I say you can’t really say that Nahiri is evil, or is committing genocide. When one really thinks about it, you have a giant world eating monster that is running amok in the multiverse. Nahiri will need to make time in order to construct new prison for the Eldrazi, and what better way that to set it on a world for a while she goes off and constructs a new prision safely somewhere else, incurring Sorins wrath is just a bonus at this point. All sorin had to do to prevent this was to assist her 1000 years ago and the eldrazi would still be contained. But now that they're free, does it matter if she leads it somewhere else to feed? It would probably do it somewhere else. Most of you guys are just upset with her because you all love Innistrad, and it’s now going to be destroyed, or severely damaged. Instead is a lowly populated, compared to other planes, she selected this one because its low populations and it's the home of sorin; those are the only reasons.
I'm pretty sure she selected it solely because of Sorin. There isn't any indication she cared what the Eldrazi did except not eat Zendikar and eat Innistrad.
And we still don't know what the Eldrazi do normally. We can't even hint at Nahiri doing the more moral option when her intent wasn't good and the end result of what her intent was is up in the air too. At best we can say she lucked out on causing even worse damage.
What exactly do people here think the word "petty" means?
Yeah, Sorin abandoned the infinite multiverse to it's fate because he couldn't get over his pride, and sealed his (former?) friend in hell for 1000 years when she called him on it. Heck, burning down a world is a proportional response.
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Well, I say you can’t really say that Nahiri is evil, or is committing genocide. When one really thinks about it, you have a giant world eating monster that is running amok in the multiverse. Nahiri will need to make time in order to construct new prison for the Eldrazi, and what better way that to set it on a world for a while she goes off and constructs a new prision safely somewhere else, incurring Sorins wrath is just a bonus at this point. All sorin had to do to prevent this was to assist her 1000 years ago and the eldrazi would still be contained. But now that they're free, does it matter if she leads it somewhere else to feed? It would probably do it somewhere else. Most of you guys are just upset with her because you all love Innistrad, and it’s now going to be destroyed, or severely damaged. Instead is a lowly populated, compared to other planes, she selected this one because its low populations and it's the home of sorin; those are the only reasons.
We have no indication that Nahiri intends to trap Emrakul, though. Not to mention that Innistrad is probably not the ideal plane to bring it, even IF Nahiri has any noble intentions left (she doesn't). When she returned there, Zendikar probably had less people than Innistrad; there are theoretically an infinite number of uninhabited planes in the multiverse; there are likely planes that have natural ways of sealing/defeating the Eldrazi that she could have brought Em to (Innistrad was by coincidence); and if we really want to play up Nahiri as the most dogoodingest hero ever (not saying she should be, from a storytelling or moral perspective), then she could have stuck around and fought against Emrakul to slow her progress, or tried to help and prepare the native inhabitants for the same purpose.
What exactly do people here think the word "petty" means?
Yeah, Sorin abandoned the infinite multiverse to it's fate because he couldn't get over his pride, and sealed his (former?) friend in hell for 1000 years when she called him on it. Heck, burning down a world is a proportional response.
How is that proportional? Sorin's worst crime was negligence and personal offense; while he was irresponsible, he at least later went out of his way to keep the Eldrazi bond.
Nahiri is deliberately dooming an entire plane. She is an active agent in untold death and horror.
Well, I say you can’t really say that Nahiri is evil, or is committing genocide. When one really thinks about it, you have a giant world eating monster that is running amok in the multiverse. Nahiri will need to make time in order to construct new prison for the Eldrazi, and what better way that to set it on a world for a while she goes off and constructs a new prision safely somewhere else, incurring Sorins wrath is just a bonus at this point. All sorin had to do to prevent this was to assist her 1000 years ago and the eldrazi would still be contained. But now that they're free, does it matter if she leads it somewhere else to feed? It would probably do it somewhere else. Most of you guys are just upset with her because you all love Innistrad, and it’s now going to be destroyed, or severely damaged. Instead is a lowly populated, compared to other planes, she selected this one because its low populations and it's the home of sorin; those are the only reasons.
Did you read the last story? Nahiri has no intentions of sealing Emrakul, she just decided to drop it anywhere that wasn't Zendikar.
I must say, this is a sign that Creative did a fairly decent job this time around. Its nice to see the heated arguments focused on how evil characters are rather than how crappy various members of Creative are. The fact that anyone gives enough of a crap to argue the details in a context other than "look at how stupid detail X is" means that the story has, thus far, mostly achieved its goals.
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I must say, this is a sign that Creative did a fairly decent job this time around. Its nice to see the heated arguments focused on how evil characters are rather than how crappy various members of Creative are. The fact that anyone gives enough of a crap to argue the details in a context other than "look at how stupid detail X is" means that the story has, thus far, mostly achieved its goals.
So it is true people are invested in the characters. Though it is just bizarre how even though they tried very hard in the story to get the point across that Nahiri is evil, people still don't see it. Not sure if it is the creators of the stories fault or if it is the audience's bias.
I must say, this is a sign that Creative did a fairly decent job this time around. Its nice to see the heated arguments focused on how evil characters are rather than how crappy various members of Creative are. The fact that anyone gives enough of a crap to argue the details in a context other than "look at how stupid detail X is" means that the story has, thus far, mostly achieved its goals.
So it is true people are invested in the characters. Though it is just bizarre how even though they tried very hard in the story to get the point across that Nahiri is evil, people still don't see it. Not sure if it is the creators of the stories fault or if it is the audience's bias.
Problem is her villainy turn was largely unexplained. Like, she's this great protector of her home, and then she just turns to pure revenge, with no redeeming facets. It's not a transition that was handled well, and I know I personally expected more than just a straight villain from her.
I must say, this is a sign that Creative did a fairly decent job this time around. Its nice to see the heated arguments focused on how evil characters are rather than how crappy various members of Creative are. The fact that anyone gives enough of a crap to argue the details in a context other than "look at how stupid detail X is" means that the story has, thus far, mostly achieved its goals.
So it is true people are invested in the characters. Though it is just bizarre how even though they tried very hard in the story to get the point across that Nahiri is evil, people still don't see it. Not sure if it is the creators of the stories fault or if it is the audience's bias.
As I said, I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that she's the most sympathetic villain we've had in years (not hard considering she's competing with Xenagos, Heliod, Phyrexia, Bolas, and the Eldrazi themselves), and the fact that Creative took a risk with the story structure, making the conflict between her and Sorin a two villain conflict. After the awful cheeseball simplicity of BFZ block, I don't think most players were ready for this. It's sympathetic villain that used to be a hero vs cool but obvious shiatlord villain that used to be an anti hero in nahiri vs Sorin, and gang of do gooders plus an anti hero vs end boss villain in the gate watch vs emrakul. We also still haven't seen the endgame, so we may not have seen the last of sorin and nahiris roles to play. Either could still have a moment of redemption, with us either learning new details about nahiris plan that changes our view or sorin finally getting off of his own vendetta long enough to help.
That, and don't discount that some people might just agree with Nahiri. I like Sorin and Innistrad, but it's obvious he's a monster both in the literal and figurative sense, and a lot of people search Innistrad as a horrible place kept livable only by the grace of said monsters sheep dog, just so said monster and his family have a reliable food source. Now, looking deeper we see a highly developed society that can only exist if most people are fairly safe throughout their lives, but with the exception of AVR we've seen the plane at its worst, and even then focused on the worst aspects. Lots of people equate Innistrad with Grixis, and few would shed a tear if pre conflux Grixis got nommed by Eldrazi.
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I must say, this is a sign that Creative did a fairly decent job this time around. Its nice to see the heated arguments focused on how evil characters are rather than how crappy various members of Creative are. The fact that anyone gives enough of a crap to argue the details in a context other than "look at how stupid detail X is" means that the story has, thus far, mostly achieved its goals.
So it is true people are invested in the characters. Though it is just bizarre how even though they tried very hard in the story to get the point across that Nahiri is evil, people still don't see it. Not sure if it is the creators of the stories fault or if it is the audience's bias.
Problem is her villainy turn was largely unexplained. Like, she's this great protector of her home, and then she just turns to pure revenge, with no redeeming facets. It's not a transition that was handled well, and I know I personally expected more than just a straight villain from her.
I don't know, I bought into it from the Sorin perspective of the fight story. As soon as he said not right now and she decided to assault him I was already in on her being a villain.
I will say that maybe I have a unique perspective. I've lived (live) through someone who one week is all about you and super sweet, the next week they are doing everything to destroy your life just because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed, then the following week wondering why you don't answer their calls and should work it out. When I say everything to destroy your life I am not embellishing.
I must say, this is a sign that Creative did a fairly decent job this time around. Its nice to see the heated arguments focused on how evil characters are rather than how crappy various members of Creative are. The fact that anyone gives enough of a crap to argue the details in a context other than "look at how stupid detail X is" means that the story has, thus far, mostly achieved its goals.
So it is true people are invested in the characters. Though it is just bizarre how even though they tried very hard in the story to get the point across that Nahiri is evil, people still don't see it. Not sure if it is the creators of the stories fault or if it is the audience's bias.
Problem is her villainy turn was largely unexplained. Like, she's this great protector of her home, and then she just turns to pure revenge, with no redeeming facets. It's not a transition that was handled well, and I know I personally expected more than just a straight villain from her.
Unexplained nothing. Many of this block's stories have featured her descent and the motivations behind it, and her sympathisers are desperate enough to ignore them.
Unexplained nothing. Many of this block's stories have featured her descent and the motivations behind it, and her sympathisers are desperate enough to ignore them.
I was pretty clear with what I meant, if you're going to respond to me, respond to me and not a strawman. Her turn to pure villainy isn't adequately explained from the character she used to be. Getting revenge on Sorin is one thing. Dooming his whole plane because of one guy's actions is a whole other level.
I see the arguments of genocide here against Nahiri, but people, she brought Emrakul to a plane MOSTLY inhabited by MONSTERS. Werewolves, zombies, geists, vampires, dragons, things in the ice etc....and also humans. If Nahiri HAD to take Emrakul SOMEWHERE, then taking here to the plane of almost exclusively monsters could almost make her a hero, and not hitler. I'm not personally saying that she is a good guy, just that I understand people's perspective. I think she is the perfect example of a RIGHTEOUS person (as white characters have always been known for, even by name at times), doing what righteous people do when angry (prove their point at any cost no matter how despicable it is). I personally have never seen the color white as GOOD in magic, just more representing what people are told is good, like authority, religion, etc...I think Nahiri thinks she is justified and probably would not do this to another plane, so I can't call her strictly evil, but certainly not good either.
She didn't have to take Emrakul anywhere. She wasn't doing it to save her own plane and she had already given up on it. She did it purely as eye for an eye justice.
She didn't have to take Emrakul anywhere. She wasn't doing it to save her own plane and she had already given up on it. She did it purely as eye for an eye justice.
Fair enough. And it helps back my point that this act is a white part of the color pie, generally not considered evil. It depends where you stand as to what's evil. In war the invading country is almost always seen as the villain to the people whose country is being invaded, but may be seen as a hero outside of it. That's all I was really saying. To me neither is good, but righteous people be righteous
She didn't have to take Emrakul anywhere. She wasn't doing it to save her own plane and she had already given up on it. She did it purely as eye for an eye justice.
Fair enough. And it helps back my point that this act is a white part of the color pie, generally not considered evil. It depends where you stand as to what's evil. In war the invading country is almost always seen as the villain to the people whose country is being invaded, but may be seen as a hero outside of it. That's all I was really saying. To me neither is good, but righteous people be righteous
Yeah, I think the only part of it that is red is that she is being overly emotional about everything with Sorin. The rest is eye for an eye and purifying what she deems unworthy. Shoe doesn't bother to find out Sorin tried to stop it and was keeping up on making sure they stay sealed. It was someone else who put in motion for them to be freed and that Dragon would of made short work of her. She also got angry and threw a tantrum on Sorin originally as well and would not yield from it.
I kind of see her is going around to planes and destroying them if they have vampires. Possibly also if they have dragons depending on how she feels about Ugin and if she finds out about Bolas. The gatewatch might be in trouble too if she is able to do any research as Nissa and Chandra were the ones responsible for breaking the Eldrazi free. Also wasn't it Jace who was one of the 3 walkers there? She could double down on the dragon hate with Sarkahn's involvement. Can even see her destroying her home plane as it is mostly destroyed and they are working with Vampires now, or at least were.
She didn't have to take Emrakul anywhere. She wasn't doing it to save her own plane and she had already given up on it. She did it purely as eye for an eye justice.
Fair enough. And it helps back my point that this act is a white part of the color pie, generally not considered evil. It depends where you stand as to what's evil. In war the invading country is almost always seen as the villain to the people whose country is being invaded, but may be seen as a hero outside of it. That's all I was really saying. To me neither is good, but righteous people be righteous
Yeah, I think the only part of it that is red is that she is being overly emotional about everything with Sorin. The rest is eye for an eye and purifying what she deems unworthy. Shoe doesn't bother to find out Sorin tried to stop it and was keeping up on making sure they stay sealed. It was someone else who put in motion for them to be freed and that Dragon would of made short work of her. She also got angry and threw a tantrum on Sorin originally as well and would not yield from it.
I kind of see her is going around to planes and destroying them if they have vampires. Possibly also if they have dragons depending on how she feels about Ugin and if she finds out about Bolas. The gatewatch might be in trouble too if she is able to do any research as Nissa and Chandra were the ones responsible for breaking the Eldrazi free. Also wasn't it Jace who was one of the 3 walkers there? She could double down on the dragon hate with Sarkahn's involvement. Can even see her destroying her home plane as it is mostly destroyed and they are working with Vampires now, or at least were.
Now you are getting into baseless speculation. She hates sorin because he broke his vow and the imprisoned her with demons for 1000 years, preventing her from doing her job. She may very well be inclined to kill vampires, but the stories made clear that her beef with Innistrad was because sorin liked it.
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I'm not making an ethical argument just a psychological one.
People are self centered and its incredibly difficult to really genuinely care about mass killings, even in real life, especially when you don't know the victims well. If someone punches you in the face they become the target of far more of your rage than some warlord slaughtering villagers by the dozen. Its even harder to make people empathize with fictional victims they've never met and know nothing about.
Except Sorin didn't mean that to happen. And yes, it is incredibly petty considering she's willing to condemn thousands of people to unspeakable horror just to make ONE person suffer.
No, the closer equivalent would be "its fine to kill any one human if it saves 1,000." He wasn't just talking about Nahiri, who may very well just be temporarily redirecting Emrakul to a plane she doesn't like. He also mentioned Urza and Ugin, who have done some fairly horrible things in the service of the greater good of protecting the multiverse. Urza collapsed a plane (albeit one that was already failing), conducted genetic experiments, blew up time, and committed murder (both mass and personal), but wasn't the villain because all of those things served a greater purpose: stopping Yawgmoth, who if unchecked would have eventually spread Phyrexia throughout the multiverse. Ugin was completely willing to let Zendikar burn, lied (by omission) to Jace to stop him from trying to destroy the Eldrazi, and was super pissed when the Gatewatch succeeded, but he wasn't the villain, because it all served a greater purpose: he was worried that destroying the Eldrazi could have even worse consequences for the multiverse, and that the fate of one plane, or even several, was not worth risking the health of ALL the planes. Nahiri, at this point, has not proven that she was after anything more than revenge. If that is so, then she is the villain. If it turns out that the artbook was right in broad strokes but missed on details (like it was in BFZ), and Nahiri's endgame really is to trap Emrakul on the moon and sacrifice Sorin to do so, then she isn't the villain, because it would serve a greater purpose, protecting the multiverse from Emrakul, while only harming one plane. She willingly harmed her own plane by sealing the Eldrazi there to protect the multiverse, and that was rightly called heroic. This story has been throwing red herrings left and right, so at this point I'm waiting for the end.
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And I don't see Nahiri changing when there is zero indication of that so far. It was arguable at first but clinging to that now is rather silly.
And we still don't know what the Eldrazi do normally. We can't even hint at Nahiri doing the more moral option when her intent wasn't good and the end result of what her intent was is up in the air too. At best we can say she lucked out on causing even worse damage.
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We have no indication that Nahiri intends to trap Emrakul, though. Not to mention that Innistrad is probably not the ideal plane to bring it, even IF Nahiri has any noble intentions left (she doesn't). When she returned there, Zendikar probably had less people than Innistrad; there are theoretically an infinite number of uninhabited planes in the multiverse; there are likely planes that have natural ways of sealing/defeating the Eldrazi that she could have brought Em to (Innistrad was by coincidence); and if we really want to play up Nahiri as the most dogoodingest hero ever (not saying she should be, from a storytelling or moral perspective), then she could have stuck around and fought against Emrakul to slow her progress, or tried to help and prepare the native inhabitants for the same purpose.
How is that proportional? Sorin's worst crime was negligence and personal offense; while he was irresponsible, he at least later went out of his way to keep the Eldrazi bond.
Nahiri is deliberately dooming an entire plane. She is an active agent in untold death and horror.
Did you read the last story? Nahiri has no intentions of sealing Emrakul, she just decided to drop it anywhere that wasn't Zendikar.
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So it is true people are invested in the characters. Though it is just bizarre how even though they tried very hard in the story to get the point across that Nahiri is evil, people still don't see it. Not sure if it is the creators of the stories fault or if it is the audience's bias.
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As I said, I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that she's the most sympathetic villain we've had in years (not hard considering she's competing with Xenagos, Heliod, Phyrexia, Bolas, and the Eldrazi themselves), and the fact that Creative took a risk with the story structure, making the conflict between her and Sorin a two villain conflict. After the awful cheeseball simplicity of BFZ block, I don't think most players were ready for this. It's sympathetic villain that used to be a hero vs cool but obvious shiatlord villain that used to be an anti hero in nahiri vs Sorin, and gang of do gooders plus an anti hero vs end boss villain in the gate watch vs emrakul. We also still haven't seen the endgame, so we may not have seen the last of sorin and nahiris roles to play. Either could still have a moment of redemption, with us either learning new details about nahiris plan that changes our view or sorin finally getting off of his own vendetta long enough to help.
That, and don't discount that some people might just agree with Nahiri. I like Sorin and Innistrad, but it's obvious he's a monster both in the literal and figurative sense, and a lot of people search Innistrad as a horrible place kept livable only by the grace of said monsters sheep dog, just so said monster and his family have a reliable food source. Now, looking deeper we see a highly developed society that can only exist if most people are fairly safe throughout their lives, but with the exception of AVR we've seen the plane at its worst, and even then focused on the worst aspects. Lots of people equate Innistrad with Grixis, and few would shed a tear if pre conflux Grixis got nommed by Eldrazi.
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I don't know, I bought into it from the Sorin perspective of the fight story. As soon as he said not right now and she decided to assault him I was already in on her being a villain.
I will say that maybe I have a unique perspective. I've lived (live) through someone who one week is all about you and super sweet, the next week they are doing everything to destroy your life just because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed, then the following week wondering why you don't answer their calls and should work it out. When I say everything to destroy your life I am not embellishing.
Unexplained nothing. Many of this block's stories have featured her descent and the motivations behind it, and her sympathisers are desperate enough to ignore them.
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Fair enough. And it helps back my point that this act is a white part of the color pie, generally not considered evil. It depends where you stand as to what's evil. In war the invading country is almost always seen as the villain to the people whose country is being invaded, but may be seen as a hero outside of it. That's all I was really saying. To me neither is good, but righteous people be righteous
Yeah, I think the only part of it that is red is that she is being overly emotional about everything with Sorin. The rest is eye for an eye and purifying what she deems unworthy. Shoe doesn't bother to find out Sorin tried to stop it and was keeping up on making sure they stay sealed. It was someone else who put in motion for them to be freed and that Dragon would of made short work of her. She also got angry and threw a tantrum on Sorin originally as well and would not yield from it.
I kind of see her is going around to planes and destroying them if they have vampires. Possibly also if they have dragons depending on how she feels about Ugin and if she finds out about Bolas. The gatewatch might be in trouble too if she is able to do any research as Nissa and Chandra were the ones responsible for breaking the Eldrazi free. Also wasn't it Jace who was one of the 3 walkers there? She could double down on the dragon hate with Sarkahn's involvement. Can even see her destroying her home plane as it is mostly destroyed and they are working with Vampires now, or at least were.
Now you are getting into baseless speculation. She hates sorin because he broke his vow and the imprisoned her with demons for 1000 years, preventing her from doing her job. She may very well be inclined to kill vampires, but the stories made clear that her beef with Innistrad was because sorin liked it.
Onering's 4 simple steps that let you solve any problem with Magic's gameplay
Step 1: Identify the problem. What aspect of Magic don't you like? Step 2: Find out how others deal with the problem. How do players deal with this aspect of the game when they run into it? Step 3: Do what those players do. Step 4: No more problem. Bonus: You are now better at Magic. Enjoy those extra wins!