I also really like the way the spoiled page says Gideon doesn't trust Liliana yet and that it seems to imply they will help her kill her demons so the chain veil doesn't make another world ending demon.
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I also really like the way the spoiled page says Gideon doesn't trust Liliana yet and that it seems to imply they will help her kill her demons so the chain veil doesn't make another world ending demon.
It also sounds like he hopes to figure out a way to destroy the Chain-Veil while they are at it.
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I kind of hoped that the werewolves in general will have a greater role to battle Emrakul's corruption, being linked to the primal nature of Innistrad, and potentially more resilient.
Not to mention their being, you know, the transformation tribe and all..
And who better to research powerful artifact dealings than Chandra on Kaladesh, right?
This sound fun honestly, and I can't wait to read the fleshed out details in the story articles. Pretty much everything I assumed would happen, only difference is Nahiri planning to just leave Em on Innistrad forcing Sorin to deal with it. I would have thought destruction was her endgame, but it's apparently a lot more malicious. Just that Sorin wasn't even man enough to accept the challenge is a cherry topper. RIP Olivia.
Also I hope Tamiyo's part in sealing Emrakul has to do with the Serra's Realm scroll. It's a story of destruction and containment, after all.
Ugh....I'm pretty sure that sums up my feelings best. This story just wasn't interesting enough to warrant ruining our gothic horror themed plane. It feels really shallow and that's a bummer.
Glad to see that things are going mostly the way we predicted them. And I'm not being sarcastic, I think it's a testament to the foreshadowing and worldbuilding that Creative has done that we were able to guess what would happen thanks to the internal logic of the setting, characters, and story. Unpredictable plot twists are overrated, especially in the medium of a card game. Not everything needs to be Game of Thrones. Unlike BFZ, I'm not left confused and irritated at Wizards for pulling an ending out of nowhere. Everything described here fits, and several storylines are either resolved permanently or finished just 'for now' in satisfying ways.
This block also had an impressive death toll, with Bruna, Gisela, Avacyn, and Olivia all biting the dust, and Emrakul and Sorin get sealed away. There's a level of consequence to this storyline that BFZ was really lacking so I'm glad to see it here. I think a 'happy' ending suits this plane far better than it did BFZ, and Emrakul did a *lot* in the short while she was with us here.
Disclaimer: Before anyone jumps at me for saying I'm defending Nahiri because of completely unrelated reasons, I make it clear now the following post is not defending Nahiri - if anything, she's sorta like Liliana in the original Innistrad block - did something solely out of self-interest/petty revenge, but ended up accomplishing something I would consider good as collateral impact.
Sorin had it coming. For the longest time already. Not because he sealed Nahiri the Helvault (I found the action quite reasonable considering Nahiri was already attacking him), although I would also say he had almost no reason to keep her locked inside for a 1,000 years either (I'm not buying that he was weakened for a whole 1,000 years to not consider that) and that was really callous of him.
The real reason was how he reacts to everything. If something is too big for him to control/solve, his solution is always "run". If something is under his control, his policy is always "Obey, or die". That is, to me at least, a very huge character of "hypocrisy" - you don't apply what you expect of others when they are under you to yourself when you are the smaller factor... and you don't apply what you do when you are outsized to those whom you outside. The one exception he has made so far was in regards to Ugin himself, but I suspect that's because he knows he can't escape Ugin either, so for once he just shuts up and obey (his interaction with Ugin on Tarkir solidifies that). Otherwise, his usual solution is to be a "coward", but he punishes "cowards" when they are weaker than he is (but self-interests overwrite all of that still, Olivia might attest to that).
Nahiri might have not meant it from that perspective when she said Sorin should die with his plane if he doesn't die for it, but what is said was indeed the huge dose of Karma Sorin had coming to him for the longest time already. Nahiri is no hero either, if the first thing she doesn't do after leaving Innistrad is to go back to Zendikar to die with it (and by that I meant attempt to, Zendikar is already saved, but that's not the point), then she's actually sort of a hypocrite as well for saying that thing but not doing it herself (I know she's probably part-insane, but I'll stand on my point regardless). Unless she heads for Tarkir to do the same to Ugin (doubt she knows Emrakul's getting sealed), then she gets some leeway. Otherwise, if she heads anywhere else, that's pure hypocrisy she shares with Sorin already.
Huh. So we know the magic story better than Creative does. It's interesting that Nahiri's plan to lock Emrakul in the moon is still depectited as outright evil. I guess they want to get some villain mileage out of her before they redeem/kill her. I appreciate the confirmation that spending so long in proximity to Emrakul did indeed snap her.
Olivia, Bruna, and Gisela are dead. I have I lot I could say about this, but most of it I've already posted in some form or another.
But it's not Nahiris plan. Tamiyo and Nissa do it. Nahiri still hasn't shown any intent to seal Emmy. She wanted Sorin to die with his plane. Nahiri is still a *****.
There is some ambiguity in the summary given, it's said at the start of the Sorin/Nahiri section that she wants Sorin to sacrifice himself for his plane, probably to parallel the way that she sacrificed "her life" (5000years) for Zendikar.
This implies that Nahiri DOES in fact have a plan to save the plane, but it relies on Sorin making a heroic sacrifice.
What she apparently didn't count on was him saying NO.
Then she seems to fly off what little bit of a rocker she has left and decides "Fine. If you won't die FOR your plane, you cam die WITH it instead."
If this is all true, then Nahiri's color identity fits her motives perfectly. She gets her revenge (red) while offering Sorin the chance to save his world through self-sacrifice which would.... I dunno, power some kind of super-powerful heretofore unknown spell she can cast to kill/seal Emrakul? Whatever, that is totally white. Once he refuses to sacrifice himself for Innistrad and she seemingly has no ability to do anything to Emrakul without his sacrifice, then she angrily prevents him from walking away and forces him to live or die with his plane, which feels both white and red.
As far as the horrible consequences for the poor people of innistrad when she lured Emrakul to the plane, I'm fine with that, because there was not an option C "keep Emrakul from killing anyone". If not Innistrad, then some other plane was going to come down with a violent case of the exploding tentacles, so why not Innistrad especially if she has a plan. (which she was unable to execute)
Huh. So we know the magic story better than Creative does. It's interesting that Nahiri's plan to lock Emrakul in the moon is still depectited as outright evil. I guess they want to get some villain mileage out of her before they redeem/kill her. I appreciate the confirmation that spending so long in proximity to Emrakul did indeed snap her.
Olivia, Bruna, and Gisela are dead. I have I lot I could say about this, but most of it I've already posted in some form or another.
But it's not Nahiris plan. Tamiyo and Nissa do it. Nahiri still hasn't shown any intent to seal Emmy. She wanted Sorin to die with his plane. Nahiri is still a *****.
There is some ambiguity in the summary given, it's said at the start of the Sorin/Nahiri section that she wants Sorin to sacrifice himself for his plane, probably to parallel the way that she sacrificed "her life" (5000years) for Zendikar.
This implies that Nahiri DOES in fact have a plan to save the plane, but it relies on Sorin making a heroic sacrifice.
What she apparently didn't count on was him saying NO.
Then she seems to fly off what little bit of a rocker she has left and decides "Fine. If you won't die FOR your plane, you cam die WITH it instead."
If this is all true, then Nahiri's color identity fits her motives perfectly. She gets her revenge (red) while offering Sorin the chance to save his world through self-sacrifice which would.... I dunno, power some kind of super-powerful heretofore unknown spell she can cast to kill/seal Emrakul? Whatever, that is totally white. Once he refuses to sacrifice himself for Innistrad and she seemingly has no ability to do anything to Emrakul without his sacrifice, then she angrily prevents him from walking away and forces him to live or die with his plane, which feels both white and red.
As far as the horrible consequences for the poor people of innistrad when she lured Emrakul to the plane, I'm fine with that, because there was not an option C "keep Emrakul from killing anyone". If not Innistrad, then some other plane was going to come down with a violent case of the exploding tentacles, so why not Innistrad especially if she has a plan. (which she was unable to execute)
It also helped the Gatewatch immensely. One, Emrakul was anchored to one plane that was conveniently on Jace's next to visit list which allowed them to deal with Emrakul quickly. Two, that was one less Titan for the Gatewatch to deal with on Zendikar which would have overwhelmed and killed them all.
Huh. So we know the magic story better than Creative does. It's interesting that Nahiri's plan to lock Emrakul in the moon is still depectited as outright evil. I guess they want to get some villain mileage out of her before they redeem/kill her. I appreciate the confirmation that spending so long in proximity to Emrakul did indeed snap her.
Olivia, Bruna, and Gisela are dead. I have I lot I could say about this, but most of it I've already posted in some form or another.
But it's not Nahiris plan. Tamiyo and Nissa do it. Nahiri still hasn't shown any intent to seal Emmy. She wanted Sorin to die with his plane. Nahiri is still a *****.
There is some ambiguity in the summary given, it's said at the start of the Sorin/Nahiri section that she wants Sorin to sacrifice himself for his plane, probably to parallel the way that she sacrificed "her life" (5000years) for Zendikar.
This implies that Nahiri DOES in fact have a plan to save the plane, but it relies on Sorin making a heroic sacrifice.
What she apparently didn't count on was him saying NO.
Then she seems to fly off what little bit of a rocker she has left and decides "Fine. If you won't die FOR your plane, you cam die WITH it instead."
If this is all true, then Nahiri's color identity fits her motives perfectly. She gets her revenge (red) while offering Sorin the chance to save his world through self-sacrifice which would.... I dunno, power some kind of super-powerful heretofore unknown spell she can cast to kill/seal Emrakul? Whatever, that is totally white. Once he refuses to sacrifice himself for Innistrad and she seemingly has no ability to do anything to Emrakul without his sacrifice, then she angrily prevents him from walking away and forces him to live or die with his plane, which feels both white and red.
As far as the horrible consequences for the poor people of innistrad when she lured Emrakul to the plane, I'm fine with that, because there was not an option C "keep Emrakul from killing anyone". If not Innistrad, then some other plane was going to come down with a violent case of the exploding tentacles, so why not Innistrad especially if she has a plan. (which she was unable to execute)
It also helped the Gatewatch immensely. One, Emrakul was anchored to one plane that was conveniently on Jace's next to visit list which allowed them to deal with Emrakul quickly. Two, that was one less Titan for the Gatewatch to deal with on Zendikar which would have overwhelmed and killed them all.
Well, I don't give her credit for accidentally aiding the gatewatch. She doesn't know who they are and likely had no idea anyone else could do anything to save Innistrad. She probably still thinks Zendikar is dead.
Nahiri is redeemed and white instead of being monstrously black because she had a plan, and she at least tried to force Sorin to do the right thing. She failed and in her mind Innistrad is now hopelessly lost, but she tried to do something about the Eldrazi, which is what counts. If Sorin is still alive, there's no way he can be WB anymore. either mono-black or BR.
I kind of doubt it was necessary for Sorin to stand watch, just that she wanted to make him suffer. That, to me, seems more likely.
If you remember the story of their first fight, Sorin had some kind of odd connection with the moon that allowed him to bring the moonlight down somehow against Nahiri. I'm guessing Nahiri had a plan to use Sorin's power somehow, but that they also believe her plan would destroy Sorin in the process as a necessary cost. Sorin says "no thanks, hell with this world, I'm out of here." Nahiri can't compel Sorin to use whatever his strange moon power is, so she prevents him from leaving and leaves him to his fate.
People give to much credit to Sorin and blame Nahiri as being the mad girl, well she has her perfect reasons. I mean what kind of psycho traps his former friend in a vault for 1000 years? he is like those socyopaths that have their daughters locked in the basement for 20 years. He was given a choice to fight for his people and plane and he didn't, he only wanted to kill Nahiri out of spite and revenge, but he didn't care about anyone besides him, he is monster, even mad Avacyn knew this. An he killed her out of a bargain, and when faced with the chance of sacrificing himself just as Nahiri did he didn't, sorry but I am very happy that Nahiri got what she wanted. I can only hope she eventually one day finds peace again.
People give to much credit to Sorin and blame Nahiri as being the mad girl, well she has her perfect reasons. I mean what kind of psycho traps his former friend in a vault for 1000 years? he is like those socyopaths that have their daughters locked in the basement for 20 years. He was given a choice to fight for his people and plane and he didn't, he only wanted to kill Nahiri out of spite and revenge, but he didn't care about anyone besides him, he is monster, even mad Avacyn knew this. An he killed her out of a bargain, and when faced with the chance of sacrificing himself just as Nahiri did he didn't, sorry but I am very happy that Nahiri got what she wanted. I can only hope she eventually one day finds peace again.
If I'm not mistaken, it seems like Nahiri even gave Sorin the option of saving Innistrad so long as he remained there to keep Emrakul locked away. But his freedom wasn't worth saving Innistrad or the Multiverse so he declined. He even killed the ally he bargained with at the expense of Avacyn's life. He's just a worthless mess.
People give to much credit to Sorin and blame Nahiri as being the mad girl, well she has her perfect reasons. I mean what kind of psycho traps his former friend in a vault for 1000 years? he is like those socyopaths that have their daughters locked in the basement for 20 years. He was given a choice to fight for his people and plane and he didn't, he only wanted to kill Nahiri out of spite and revenge, but he didn't care about anyone besides him, he is monster, even mad Avacyn knew this. An he killed her out of a bargain, and when faced with the chance of sacrificing himself just as Nahiri did he didn't, sorry but I am very happy that Nahiri got what she wanted. I can only hope she eventually one day finds peace again.
If I'm not mistaken, it seems like Nahiri even gave Sorin the option of saving Innistrad so long as he remained there to keep Emrakul locked away. But his freedom wasn't worth saving Innistrad or the Multiverse so he declined. He even killed the ally he bargained with at the expense of Avacyn's life. He's just a worthless mess.
This part is unclear. I'd think if she could trap Emrakul with or without Sorin being a guardian, she'd do it. So to me, I think she meant sacrifice quite literally this time, that her plan required Sorin to die in order to work. When he refused, then she no longer had a viable plan.
So someone out there has the art book and all we get is this grainy mess? Start scanning or taking more pictures. For Thassa's sake. I can't even read Emrakul's Fall.
So someone out there has the art book and all we get is this grainy mess? Start scanning or taking more pictures. For Thassa's sake. I can't even read Emrakul's Fall.
Are you serious?
With such amazing gratitude you are displaying, everybody will surely run and scan it immediately for you
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It also sounds like he hopes to figure out a way to destroy the Chain-Veil while they are at it.
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Not to mention their being, you know, the transformation tribe and all..
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This sound fun honestly, and I can't wait to read the fleshed out details in the story articles. Pretty much everything I assumed would happen, only difference is Nahiri planning to just leave Em on Innistrad forcing Sorin to deal with it. I would have thought destruction was her endgame, but it's apparently a lot more malicious. Just that Sorin wasn't even man enough to accept the challenge is a cherry topper. RIP Olivia.
Also I hope Tamiyo's part in sealing Emrakul has to do with the Serra's Realm scroll. It's a story of destruction and containment, after all.
This block also had an impressive death toll, with Bruna, Gisela, Avacyn, and Olivia all biting the dust, and Emrakul and Sorin get sealed away. There's a level of consequence to this storyline that BFZ was really lacking so I'm glad to see it here. I think a 'happy' ending suits this plane far better than it did BFZ, and Emrakul did a *lot* in the short while she was with us here.
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Sorin had it coming. For the longest time already. Not because he sealed Nahiri the Helvault (I found the action quite reasonable considering Nahiri was already attacking him), although I would also say he had almost no reason to keep her locked inside for a 1,000 years either (I'm not buying that he was weakened for a whole 1,000 years to not consider that) and that was really callous of him.
The real reason was how he reacts to everything. If something is too big for him to control/solve, his solution is always "run". If something is under his control, his policy is always "Obey, or die". That is, to me at least, a very huge character of "hypocrisy" - you don't apply what you expect of others when they are under you to yourself when you are the smaller factor... and you don't apply what you do when you are outsized to those whom you outside. The one exception he has made so far was in regards to Ugin himself, but I suspect that's because he knows he can't escape Ugin either, so for once he just shuts up and obey (his interaction with Ugin on Tarkir solidifies that). Otherwise, his usual solution is to be a "coward", but he punishes "cowards" when they are weaker than he is (but self-interests overwrite all of that still, Olivia might attest to that).
Nahiri might have not meant it from that perspective when she said Sorin should die with his plane if he doesn't die for it, but what is said was indeed the huge dose of Karma Sorin had coming to him for the longest time already. Nahiri is no hero either, if the first thing she doesn't do after leaving Innistrad is to go back to Zendikar to die with it (and by that I meant attempt to, Zendikar is already saved, but that's not the point), then she's actually sort of a hypocrite as well for saying that thing but not doing it herself (I know she's probably part-insane, but I'll stand on my point regardless). Unless she heads for Tarkir to do the same to Ugin (doubt she knows Emrakul's getting sealed), then she gets some leeway. Otherwise, if she heads anywhere else, that's pure hypocrisy she shares with Sorin already.
If this is all true, then Nahiri's color identity fits her motives perfectly. She gets her revenge (red) while offering Sorin the chance to save his world through self-sacrifice which would.... I dunno, power some kind of super-powerful heretofore unknown spell she can cast to kill/seal Emrakul? Whatever, that is totally white. Once he refuses to sacrifice himself for Innistrad and she seemingly has no ability to do anything to Emrakul without his sacrifice, then she angrily prevents him from walking away and forces him to live or die with his plane, which feels both white and red.
As far as the horrible consequences for the poor people of innistrad when she lured Emrakul to the plane, I'm fine with that, because there was not an option C "keep Emrakul from killing anyone". If not Innistrad, then some other plane was going to come down with a violent case of the exploding tentacles, so why not Innistrad especially if she has a plan. (which she was unable to execute)
It also helped the Gatewatch immensely. One, Emrakul was anchored to one plane that was conveniently on Jace's next to visit list which allowed them to deal with Emrakul quickly. Two, that was one less Titan for the Gatewatch to deal with on Zendikar which would have overwhelmed and killed them all.
Well, I don't give her credit for accidentally aiding the gatewatch. She doesn't know who they are and likely had no idea anyone else could do anything to save Innistrad. She probably still thinks Zendikar is dead.
Nahiri is redeemed and white instead of being monstrously black because she had a plan, and she at least tried to force Sorin to do the right thing. She failed and in her mind Innistrad is now hopelessly lost, but she tried to do something about the Eldrazi, which is what counts. If Sorin is still alive, there's no way he can be WB anymore. either mono-black or BR.
If you remember the story of their first fight, Sorin had some kind of odd connection with the moon that allowed him to bring the moonlight down somehow against Nahiri. I'm guessing Nahiri had a plan to use Sorin's power somehow, but that they also believe her plan would destroy Sorin in the process as a necessary cost. Sorin says "no thanks, hell with this world, I'm out of here." Nahiri can't compel Sorin to use whatever his strange moon power is, so she prevents him from leaving and leaves him to his fate.
I noticed the words "known eldrazi Titans are dead or imprisioned.
The "known" part makes me go ??? Could there be the replacements of Ulamog and kozilek is out there some where?
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This part is unclear. I'd think if she could trap Emrakul with or without Sorin being a guardian, she'd do it. So to me, I think she meant sacrifice quite literally this time, that her plan required Sorin to die in order to work. When he refused, then she no longer had a viable plan.
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here's hoping Ugin eats Nahiri sometime in the future
I honestly think he'd have been more inclined to eat Sorin.
This seems reasonable. Had Sorin just helped Nahiri a thousand years ago, none of this would have happened.
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Had Nahiri not jumped Sorin a thousand years ago, none of this would have happened. Just let Ugin eat them both
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