I'll say the most likely thing for her now is to try and track down Ugin. I mean he didn't answer the call either. It's just that she doesn't know where his home plane is and he is lower on the priority list to visit since Sorin was actually her friend and I don't think she ever really trusted Ugin to begin with. I think she'll be sorely disappointed with her efficacy against him though. Ugin doesn't need to use magic that runs through leylines he can just eat her.
Maybe Ugin will try to actually reason with her rather than just telling her to go pester someone else, besides Ulamog and Kozilek are dead and Emrakul is trapped, not counting that Zendikar is safe now, which would maker her stop her thirst for revenge.
In fact, I'm waiting to read how she reacts once she gets to Zendikar and realizes the Eldrazi there have been destroyed.
The other thing is, that even when Nahiri can manipulate rocks like Magneto manipulates metals, Ugin can manipulate friggin' matter at an atomic scale, Bolas had to turn all of Ugin's dragons against him to have a chance in Tarkir's battle, so it's not likely she can beat him that easily.
Looks like there is still a small pact of Wolfir still around.
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I don't know. He lost his entire homeworld. Everyone he cared about is either dead or compleat. Everything he "knew" before his spark ignited has been twisted into a nightmare of flesh and metal. Out of literally all planeswalkers we currently have, he has the most reason to join the gatewatch, even more so than Nissa.
It kind of sucks too, not interested in Koth but we could use some more mono-Red Planeswalkers out and about. The only other one I can think of (Daretti) really doesn't seem likely to appear elsewhere either. Hard to tell what WotC will do with either of them. I would guess that it kind of depends on which thing Nahiri does, return to Zendikar or try to find Ugin. At least it seems like she could add something to a return to Tarkir. Koth on the other hand is really in a bad place.
I tend to see Koth a bit differently. True, he's very much about fighting for the purity of Mirrodin and the last of its survivors, but I don't think that's all there is to him. Whereas Chandra is more emotional and free-spirited, Koth seems to be more about red's elements of resistance and true freedom at any cost, along with a desire for peace and unity rarely seen among mono-red characters. Whereas Chandra tends to the more radical elements of red, Koth seems to be more towards the middle; calmer unless pushed and more set and confident in his goals and actions. I think creatively that allows a very different space than Chandra. Like Elspeth left Mirrodin and found a cause aligned with her convictions in Theros, I could see Koth doing the same if Mirrodin is truly lost. Maybe on Vryn or a new plane where a resistance force needs a leader?
To the point on Nahiri, it does seem like Creative backed themselves into a corner. It'll be hard to simply write a quick 180 to hero again, and also difficult to give her new motivation with her revenge on Sorin completed in her mind. Ugin seems most likely, but if Creative wanted a redemption arc, I could see a long side-quest where she sees her error through the failure or corruption of another revenge-set villain. If done right, Ob Nixilis and her reunion could offer a nice mirror-image story where she sees what path she's following. Cliche, probably, but it COULD BE done right. I'm interested to see what's next for her.
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It kind of sucks too, not interested in Koth but we could use some more mono-Red Planeswalkers out and about. The only other one I can think of (Daretti) really doesn't seem likely to appear elsewhere either. Hard to tell what WotC will do with either of them. I would guess that it kind of depends on which thing Nahiri does, return to Zendikar or try to find Ugin. At least it seems like she could add something to a return to Tarkir. Koth on the other hand is really in a bad place.
I tend to see Koth a bit differently. True, he's very much about fighting for the purity of Mirrodin and the last of its survivors, but I don't think that's all there is to him. Whereas Chandra is more emotional and free-spirited, Koth seems to be more about red's elements of resistance and true freedom at any cost, along with a desire for peace and unity rarely seen among mono-red characters. Whereas Chandra tends to the more radical elements of red, Koth seems to be more towards the middle; calmer unless pushed and more set and confident in his goals and actions. I think creatively that allows a very different space than Chandra. Like Elspeth left Mirrodin and found a cause aligned with her convictions in Theros, I could see Koth doing the same if Mirrodin is truly lost. Maybe on Vryn or a new plane where a resistance force needs a leader?
To the point on Nahiri, it does seem like Creative backed themselves into a corner. It'll be hard to simply write a quick 180 to hero again, and also difficult to give her new motivation with her revenge on Sorin completed in her mind. Ugin seems most likely, but if Creative wanted a redemption arc, I could see a long side-quest where she sees her error through the failure or corruption of another revenge-set villain. If done right, Ob Nixilis and her reunion could offer a nice mirror-image story where she sees what path she's following. Cliche, probably, but it COULD BE done right. I'm interested to see what's next for her.
I definitely think they could do something with Koth, the issue is that I don't think they will do anything with him until Mirrodin is resolved. And there is no telling when that will happen. But he definitely has potential I'm sure. I just wish he wasn't a Geomancer, not sure that will do much for me when he gets a new card.
And agreed, forgot Ob is a potential plot point too. With Ugin, Ob, and Bolas running around there is some potential for Nahiri to evolve without it being too forced hopefully. Or more firmly cement her as a villain, one of the two.
Looks like there is still a small pact of Wolfir still around.
Source?
The art book...
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It kind of sucks too, not interested in Koth but we could use some more mono-Red Planeswalkers out and about. The only other one I can think of (Daretti) really doesn't seem likely to appear elsewhere either. Hard to tell what WotC will do with either of them. I would guess that it kind of depends on which thing Nahiri does, return to Zendikar or try to find Ugin. At least it seems like she could add something to a return to Tarkir. Koth on the other hand is really in a bad place.
I tend to see Koth a bit differently. True, he's very much about fighting for the purity of Mirrodin and the last of its survivors, but I don't think that's all there is to him. Whereas Chandra is more emotional and free-spirited, Koth seems to be more about red's elements of resistance and true freedom at any cost, along with a desire for peace and unity rarely seen among mono-red characters. Whereas Chandra tends to the more radical elements of red, Koth seems to be more towards the middle; calmer unless pushed and more set and confident in his goals and actions. I think creatively that allows a very different space than Chandra. Like Elspeth left Mirrodin and found a cause aligned with her convictions in Theros, I could see Koth doing the same if Mirrodin is truly lost. Maybe on Vryn or a new plane where a resistance force needs a leader?
To the point on Nahiri, it does seem like Creative backed themselves into a corner. It'll be hard to simply write a quick 180 to hero again, and also difficult to give her new motivation with her revenge on Sorin completed in her mind. Ugin seems most likely, but if Creative wanted a redemption arc, I could see a long side-quest where she sees her error through the failure or corruption of another revenge-set villain. If done right, Ob Nixilis and her reunion could offer a nice mirror-image story where she sees what path she's following. Cliche, probably, but it COULD BE done right. I'm interested to see what's next for her.
I think they're setting her up as a future Gatewatch antagonist.
I fully expect her to find out how the eldrazi got released (or at least, part of the story) and expand her revenge to include "everyone responsible."
There are already hints that she's not exactly stable. For six thousand years her life had a specific purpose. Imagine the sort of disillusionment that can set in when she suddenly finds herself adrift with no REASON for being. She needs a new cause, and while sure that cause *could be* helping rebuild Zendikar, that's not very interesting for us the audience.
More interesting would be Bolas tracking her down and telling her just enough of the truth, that it was (members of) the gatewatch who (unintentionally) unlocked the seal at the Eye of Ugin, released the Eldrazi and devastated Zendikar.
This would restore meaning to her life, and Bolas could see it as eliminating a potential obstacle to his future plans.
My book arrived today (all the way down to Argentina).
Pieces of info that caught my attention as I gave it a swift look:
* The mysterious Flight of Moonsilver is, as many told, a new flight of angels created by Avacyn herself to be fuardians of Thraben and to be under her orders. They use moonsilver spears forged from shards of the Helvault.
* Ulm happened to be a small village of Nephalia, near the border with Kessig and Gavony. Previously, it was inly mentioned in Ludevic's name.
* Jeleva is a vampire from the Stromkirk bloodline, but brike ties with her family.
* This one from Planeshift Innistrad supplement: Stephan Maurer is another of the original vampires (along with Edgar Markov, Runo Stromkirk and perhaps Anje Falkenrath. Is the sire of the small Maurer bloodline.
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The DnD thing also told us that one of the old Vampire bloodlines was called the Duskens, with their progenitor Irska Dusken, who was killed by Strefan Maurer which scattered the Duskens. Also names the twins of Maurer estate, talks about Bitterheart and other stuff in there.
@Jenrik the human in Spectral Flight is Dierk according to the art book.
The wifi went out at my place for a good while I ended up combing through the book and I have to say I love the lovecraft themes wizards added in the world building in Nephalia and only wish we had a little more for foreshadowing for it. Also love how they had the magic/eldrazi version of the The Dunwich Horror.
Also idk how much this was common knowledge but humans can turn into demons on Innistrad.
I also wish we got more info in the main story about forcemages since they are really interesting idea and like to see how their deals with nature spirit work.
It also revels that Sorin did not make the helvault (and doesn't even know where it came from) but it was a key part in making Avacyn, since silver naturally is harmful to vampires and werewolves, its powers to bind and seal (which Sorin then fiddled around with so Avacyn could use it to seal things).
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It also revels that Sorin did not make the helvault (and doesn't even know where it came from) but it was a key part in making Avacyn, since silver naturally is harmful to vampires and werewolves, its powers to bind and seal (which Sorin then fiddled around with so Avacyn could use it to seal things).
What? This directly contradicts what was said in the stories.
It also revels that Sorin did not make the helvault (and doesn't even know where it came from) but it was a key part in making Avacyn, since silver naturally is harmful to vampires and werewolves, its powers to bind and seal (which Sorin then fiddled around with so Avacyn could use it to seal things).
What? This directly contradicts what was said in the stories.
Yeah, I don't remember reading this. But much of the book is literally the Planeswalker's Guide to Innistrad, so it's possible it was something that got missed when copying that material over.
It also revels that Sorin did not make the helvault (and doesn't even know where it came from) but it was a key part in making Avacyn, since silver naturally is harmful to vampires and werewolves, its powers to bind and seal (which Sorin then fiddled around with so Avacyn could use it to seal things).
What? This directly contradicts what was said in the stories.
Yeah, I don't remember reading this. But much of the book is literally the Planeswalker's Guide to Innistrad, so it's possible it was something that got missed when copying that material over.
It is near the beginning under "Avacyn and the Helvault". Also the impression I got was the "helvault" as we know it (sealing away demons and walkers, source and symbol of Avacyn, etc) was made by Sorin. He didn't go to the moon and dig it out and it already had sealing powers which Sorin fine tuned for his needed, but everything else about it was made by Sorin.
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“There are no weak Jews. I am descended from those who wrestle angels and kill giants. We were chosen by God. You were chosen by a pathetic little man who can't seem to grow a full mustache"
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
It also revels that Sorin did not make the helvault (and doesn't even know where it came from) but it was a key part in making Avacyn, since silver naturally is harmful to vampires and werewolves, its powers to bind and seal (which Sorin then fiddled around with so Avacyn could use it to seal things).
What? This directly contradicts what was said in the stories.
Yeah, I don't remember reading this. But much of the book is literally the Planeswalker's Guide to Innistrad, so it's possible it was something that got missed when copying that material over.
It is near the beginning under "Avacyn and the Helvault". Also the impression I got was the "helvault" as we know it (sealing away demons and walkers, source and symbol of Avacyn, etc) was made by Sorin. He didn't go to the moon and dig it out and it already had sealing powers which Sorin fine tuned for his needed, but everything else about it was made by Sorin.
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In fact, I'm waiting to read how she reacts once she gets to Zendikar and realizes the Eldrazi there have been destroyed.
The other thing is, that even when Nahiri can manipulate rocks like Magneto manipulates metals, Ugin can manipulate friggin' matter at an atomic scale, Bolas had to turn all of Ugin's dragons against him to have a chance in Tarkir's battle, so it's not likely she can beat him that easily.
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BR Skeleton Warriors - RG Night of The Howlpack - B Bog Murderers - BR Eldrazi Assault - BGU Ulamog's Swarm
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I don't know. He lost his entire homeworld. Everyone he cared about is either dead or compleat. Everything he "knew" before his spark ignited has been twisted into a nightmare of flesh and metal. Out of literally all planeswalkers we currently have, he has the most reason to join the gatewatch, even more so than Nissa.
Source?
I tend to see Koth a bit differently. True, he's very much about fighting for the purity of Mirrodin and the last of its survivors, but I don't think that's all there is to him. Whereas Chandra is more emotional and free-spirited, Koth seems to be more about red's elements of resistance and true freedom at any cost, along with a desire for peace and unity rarely seen among mono-red characters. Whereas Chandra tends to the more radical elements of red, Koth seems to be more towards the middle; calmer unless pushed and more set and confident in his goals and actions. I think creatively that allows a very different space than Chandra. Like Elspeth left Mirrodin and found a cause aligned with her convictions in Theros, I could see Koth doing the same if Mirrodin is truly lost. Maybe on Vryn or a new plane where a resistance force needs a leader?
To the point on Nahiri, it does seem like Creative backed themselves into a corner. It'll be hard to simply write a quick 180 to hero again, and also difficult to give her new motivation with her revenge on Sorin completed in her mind. Ugin seems most likely, but if Creative wanted a redemption arc, I could see a long side-quest where she sees her error through the failure or corruption of another revenge-set villain. If done right, Ob Nixilis and her reunion could offer a nice mirror-image story where she sees what path she's following. Cliche, probably, but it COULD BE done right. I'm interested to see what's next for her.
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I definitely think they could do something with Koth, the issue is that I don't think they will do anything with him until Mirrodin is resolved. And there is no telling when that will happen. But he definitely has potential I'm sure. I just wish he wasn't a Geomancer, not sure that will do much for me when he gets a new card.
And agreed, forgot Ob is a potential plot point too. With Ugin, Ob, and Bolas running around there is some potential for Nahiri to evolve without it being too forced hopefully. Or more firmly cement her as a villain, one of the two.
The art book...
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Wizards? Do something right with the storylines? Ha! That would be the day.
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
I think they're setting her up as a future Gatewatch antagonist.
I fully expect her to find out how the eldrazi got released (or at least, part of the story) and expand her revenge to include "everyone responsible."
There are already hints that she's not exactly stable. For six thousand years her life had a specific purpose. Imagine the sort of disillusionment that can set in when she suddenly finds herself adrift with no REASON for being. She needs a new cause, and while sure that cause *could be* helping rebuild Zendikar, that's not very interesting for us the audience.
More interesting would be Bolas tracking her down and telling her just enough of the truth, that it was (members of) the gatewatch who (unintentionally) unlocked the seal at the Eye of Ugin, released the Eldrazi and devastated Zendikar.
This would restore meaning to her life, and Bolas could see it as eliminating a potential obstacle to his future plans.
Pieces of info that caught my attention as I gave it a swift look:
* The mysterious Flight of Moonsilver is, as many told, a new flight of angels created by Avacyn herself to be fuardians of Thraben and to be under her orders. They use moonsilver spears forged from shards of the Helvault.
* Ulm happened to be a small village of Nephalia, near the border with Kessig and Gavony. Previously, it was inly mentioned in Ludevic's name.
* Jeleva is a vampire from the Stromkirk bloodline, but brike ties with her family.
* This one from Planeshift Innistrad supplement: Stephan Maurer is another of the original vampires (along with Edgar Markov, Runo Stromkirk and perhaps Anje Falkenrath. Is the sire of the small Maurer bloodline.
Legendary: 1088 / 1208.
Planeswalkers: 182 / 226.
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The wifi went out at my place for a good while I ended up combing through the book and I have to say I love the lovecraft themes wizards added in the world building in Nephalia and only wish we had a little more for foreshadowing for it. Also love how they had the magic/eldrazi version of the The Dunwich Horror.
Also idk how much this was common knowledge but humans can turn into demons on Innistrad.
I also wish we got more info in the main story about forcemages since they are really interesting idea and like to see how their deals with nature spirit work.
It also revels that Sorin did not make the helvault (and doesn't even know where it came from) but it was a key part in making Avacyn, since silver naturally is harmful to vampires and werewolves, its powers to bind and seal (which Sorin then fiddled around with so Avacyn could use it to seal things).
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
What? This directly contradicts what was said in the stories.
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It is near the beginning under "Avacyn and the Helvault". Also the impression I got was the "helvault" as we know it (sealing away demons and walkers, source and symbol of Avacyn, etc) was made by Sorin. He didn't go to the moon and dig it out and it already had sealing powers which Sorin fine tuned for his needed, but everything else about it was made by Sorin.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
It is near the beginning under "Avacyn and the Helvault". Also the impression I got was the "helvault" as we know it (sealing away demons and walkers, source and symbol of Avacyn, etc) was made by Sorin. He didn't go to the moon and dig it out and it already had sealing powers which Sorin fine tuned for his needed, but everything else about it was made by Sorin.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
lol this having 13 pages
Does the art book have any information on Cosper Lowe, Captain of the Silbern Guard?
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||