Tezz appearing on an artifact-centric plane that just invented portal technology has worrisome implacations, especially in light of his recent association with the phyrexians. We should all remember what happened the last time they had access to portals......
Also please don't complaet this wonderful plane Finally a plane again that looks nice and optimistic...even their gremlins are the cutest things ever. Ah well...
I'm sorry, but it's inevitable. Wizards loves screwing up everyone's favorite planes.
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To add fuel to the fire of all the Phyrexia-invading-Kaladesh talk ... Karn spent relatively little time exposed to old Phyrexia and got contaminated with it. Tezzeret spent *much* more time deep inside New Phyrexia, which uses the oil much more heavily, and interacted a great deal with the leader of the faction that specializes in compleation ... any bets on the chances Jin-Gitaxias infected Tezzeret without him realizing it?
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Serra, Mother of All Angels
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools
Leshrac the Nightwalker
Jeska, the Thrice-Touched
Elspeth Returned
Crucius the Mad
Taysir the Infinite
Urza's Head (Unglued!)
Logically, the oil is a nightmare this way or another. If only a few drops can corrupt an entire plane, while one of the most powerful beings tries to actively fight it, then it just becomes something that's hardly controllable storytelling-wise. I would speculate now that the oil cannot survive the blind eternities, as we are told that planeswalkers are immune to the oil. (Though it was Maro who said that, so take it with a bucket of salt.) Then again we know Karn spread it around so clearly that's not the case.
Sooooo... in the end the oil has exactly the capabilities it needs to tell the story Wizards wants to tell at any particular moment. Which makes speculation completely futile.
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Tezzeret IS Baral. Think about it (This is stuff I posted to my Tumblr earlier today):
Baral’s face doesn’t show up in any of the artwork where we know for sure it’s him. I’ve always assumed the image in the top left is Baral in the background, but the blade device is on the wrong arm compared to the other art. It’s on his right arm… his etherium arm. That arm is always covered in the art. Today’s hooded Tezzeret image really evokes Baral in the other images, doesn’t he?
This is just speculation, but think about it. To be Head Judge at the Fair, he would have to have been established on Kaladesh for a long time, right? Fire Logic was at least a decade ago, when his arm was more human and less claw-like.
It’s worth noting that both are described as having gravelly voices, and before Bolas rebuilt Tezzeret he was just the kind of Psychopath to hunt down a little girl.
Logically, the oil is a nightmare this way or another. If only a few drops can corrupt an entire plane, while one of the most powerful beings tries to actively fight it, then it just becomes something that's hardly controllable storytelling-wise. I would speculate now that the oil cannot survive the blind eternities, as we are told that planeswalkers are immune to the oil. (Though it was Maro who said that, so take it with a bucket of salt.) Then again we know Karn spread it around so clearly that's not the case.
Sooooo... in the end the oil has exactly the capabilities it needs to tell the story Wizards wants to tell at any particular moment. Which makes speculation completely futile.
I can't find this anywhere. But from the webcomics we know that Tezz had to be inoculated against the infection.
I'm still looking for it but I'm certain that in Quest for Karn the group is cured and immunized midway through by Melira. So everything I could find say planewalkers aren't immune to the oil.
To be Head Judge at the Fair, he would have to have been established on Kaladesh for a long time, right?
That, or Bolas pulled some strings.
If tezzeret has been on Kaladesh for some time than that makes me wonder did he willingly left Phyrexia or did the praetors find a way to get rid of him?
Since the canon around that time is fuzzy (technically last we saw Tezzeret, he was going to fight Glissa for Karn in a praetor-less New Phyrexia) the best I can pull together is after Karn left and the praetor began their civil war, Bolas had Tezzeret leave, I'm guess since Bolas wants to wait and see how the fight for control over New Phyrexia plays out.
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Erm, didn't it take centuries for the oil to take effect on Mirrodin? I doubt any of that will be going down on Kaladesh.
Mirrodin's timeline is all screwy so trying to figure how long it took New Phyrexia to become a thing is next to impossible. Plus with Mirrans being half metal already, completion could be faster than say on Elspeth's home plane.
I kind of figured that Tezzeret would just have been on Kaladesh building up his reputation. It's not like he had to spend 24/7 on New Phyrexia, I imagine he just spent time in multiple places.
And I'll echo the desire for no Phyrexia here. We just had Innistrad and Zendikar where we dealt with an interplaner threat, and we have Amonkhet with Bolas on the horizon. Maybe it could just be Kaladesh focused for a bit, even if Tezzeret is kicking things in motion.
Erm, didn't it take centuries for the oil to take effect on Mirrodin? I doubt any of that will be going down on Kaladesh.
Mirrodin's timeline is all screwy so trying to figure how long it took New Phyrexia to become a thing is next to impossible. Plus with Mirrans being half metal already, completion could be faster than say on Elspeth's home plane.
Lots about Mirrodin is screwy. The time from Karn first leaving to his return after Memnarch's fall is somewhere between several thousand years(based on event occuring on Mirrodin) to no more than 200 years based on events outside Mirrodin, which puts New Phyrexia at 300 years after infection. Also the people being half metal on Mirrodin was supposed to be the work of the oil as well. It was more the entire metal plane, non-native inhabitants and exposed planar core that helped the oil progress at such an alarming rate.
To be honest I was expecting to see Karn on Kaladesh. I haven't even consider the possibility of Tezzeret especially when he and the new planeswalker seem to have similar powers.
Nevertheless I like having Tezzeret around This is shaping up to be a good story
The entire canon surrounding Tezzeret is super confusing to me. Test of metal is some weird quasi canon story, Quest for Karn didn't even have praetors in it and it seemed like Glissa was the one who is leading the Phyrexia but then we got that other story where it seemed like Tezzeret was leading the Phyrexia but now the praetors have suddenly shown up and Glissa was nowhere to be seen...it is confusing.
Ah, it's real simple what happened on New Phyrexia: 1. Karn created Mirrodin, not knowing he accidently infected it with Phyrexian oil.
2. Tezzeret went to Mirrodin at Nicol Bolas's request.
3. [Redacted due to retcon]
4. Venser died. 5. ??????
6. Profit!
I'm sorry, in the time it took you to read that, the entire story arc was retconned away when Sarkhan Vol revived Ugin, sans Venser. Your new canon will be ready in a moment... or two... ish.
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To be honest I was expecting to see Karn on Kaladesh. I haven't even consider the possibility of Tezzeret especially when he and the new planeswalker seem to have similar powers.
Nevertheless I like having Tezzeret around This is shaping up to be a good story
The entire canon surrounding Tezzeret is super confusing to me. Test of metal is some weird quasi canon story, Quest for Karn didn't even have praetors in it and it seemed like Glissa was the one who is leading the Phyrexia but then we got that other story where it seemed like Tezzeret was leading the Phyrexia but now the praetors have suddenly shown up and Glissa was nowhere to be seen...it is confusing.
I believe the only MAJOR thing in Test of Metal that remains canon is that Tezzeret can make Etherium. Clockworking is not and nothing else is super important
There's no way they've been posed the same way showing off the same powers by coincidence.
I now really want Tezzeret to be Saheeli's Dad, AND be the only non-awful Dad in the multiverse.
Much as I like the idea of it, it seems immeasurably unlikely.
I think it's more as a foil. I can't tell if it's just the lighting from the source, but the Tezz photo looks a lot darker, and like he's just forcing the metal into shape with pure will power. Saheeli is pretty distinctly manipulating aether with her work.
There's no way they've been posed the same way showing off the same powers by coincidence.
I now really want Tezzeret to be Saheeli's Dad, AND be the only non-awful Dad in the multiverse.
Much as I like the idea of it, it seems immeasurably unlikely.
I think it's more as a foil. I can't tell if it's just the lighting from the source, but the Tezz photo looks a lot darker, and like he's just forcing the metal into shape with pure will power. Saheeli is pretty distinctly manipulating aether with her work.
I know, but I'm having fun with the idea, silly as it is
I know, but I'm having fun with the idea, silly as it is
It IS fun!
On the one hand, knowing Tezz's own daddy issues, I could see him being a pretty good dad. If his motivation is "Not be anything like my dad."
On the other hand, it's Tezzeret.
Considering that they keep speaking of Optimism about Kaladesh, I am doubting that the Phyrexians will be here. Also I doubt it because they would need to set that conflict up, and remind people who they are.
I suspect that Tezzerat is here either for his own reasons, or because Bolas is interested in the inventions for his own end.
It's really odd that Saheeli and Tezzeret would mirror each other like that, it seems really weird that it would have no meaning. I can't tell what it means yet, but it's very interesting.
To be honest I was expecting to see Karn on Kaladesh. I haven't even consider the possibility of Tezzeret especially when he and the new planeswalker seem to have similar powers.
Nevertheless I like having Tezzeret around This is shaping up to be a good story
I've been thinking the same thing about Tezzeret and Saheeli (as well Daretti) and I wonder how they make them different. Maybe Tezzeret will be more control or maybe more spell based like the preview card that has him in the art.
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SPOILERS! Mama Nalaar, Chandra and Lily VS Tezzeret
Next story, I would be very disappointed if all they did is talk or argue! I would be disappointed if its going to be fist and dodging battle like usual. Come on WotC! these are planeswalkers make them summon giant Demons and and Giant artifacts instead of fist fighting, make chandra blast the entire area with a meteor! Make Lily rot all surrounding consulates to bones! Dragons, Demons, volcanoes! not punches and jumping and dodging. These are MAGES not UFC champions.
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but essence scatter seems to imply they still can. I didn't know they couldn't anymore. Still hope Chandra can meteor. Please WotC, dont take her meteor away.
That seems rather counter to Kiora's stated Eldrazi fighting plan. Which was to find big monsters to throw at them.
I'm not aware that this was changed but ever since Mending planeswalkers were unable to summon anything through the Blind Eternities. The Creative had probably forgotten about that one.
It has never been really clear, but after the mending, if planeswalker want to summon creatures they create aether copies (similar to Followed Footsteps and as such "pulled" from the aether) instead of summoning the real thing from other worlds (which by current lore should kill those beings because of the volatile nature of the Blind Eternities). That is also why aether mages in magic normally return creatures to the players hand or something similar, they can disrupt the aether construct very easily. The copy can only be created by having a strong connection to the creature (similar to a mana link), which in turn was Kioras goal of establishing. That doesn't mean that planeswalkers and other mages can't control or teleport or whatever creatures which are of the same world they are fighting on, meaning Kiora summoning Lorthos against Kozilek still makes perfect sense.
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I'm sorry, but it's inevitable. Wizards loves screwing up everyone's favorite planes.
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
Xantcha, Phyrexian Reject
Jodah, Archmage Eternal
Tovolar, Howlpack Alpha
Pivlic, Orzhov Informant
Crixizix, Master Engineer
Feather, Boros Peacekeeper
Marisi Coilbreaker
O-Kagachi
Gix, Phyrexian Praetor
Karn, Father of Machines
Yawgmoth, Father of Machines
Serra, Mother of All Angels
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools
Leshrac the Nightwalker
Jeska, the Thrice-Touched
Elspeth Returned
Crucius the Mad
Taysir the Infinite
Urza's Head (Unglued!)
Sooooo... in the end the oil has exactly the capabilities it needs to tell the story Wizards wants to tell at any particular moment. Which makes speculation completely futile.
Baral’s face doesn’t show up in any of the artwork where we know for sure it’s him. I’ve always assumed the image in the top left is Baral in the background, but the blade device is on the wrong arm compared to the other art. It’s on his right arm… his etherium arm. That arm is always covered in the art. Today’s hooded Tezzeret image really evokes Baral in the other images, doesn’t he?
This is just speculation, but think about it. To be Head Judge at the Fair, he would have to have been established on Kaladesh for a long time, right? Fire Logic was at least a decade ago, when his arm was more human and less claw-like.
It’s worth noting that both are described as having gravelly voices, and before Bolas rebuilt Tezzeret he was just the kind of Psychopath to hunt down a little girl.
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That, or Bolas pulled some strings.
First he is told to find his own method.
Here we see him being inoculated by a Vedalken on Mirrodin.
I'm still looking for it but I'm certain that in Quest for Karn the group is cured and immunized midway through by Melira. So everything I could find say planewalkers aren't immune to the oil.
Since the canon around that time is fuzzy (technically last we saw Tezzeret, he was going to fight Glissa for Karn in a praetor-less New Phyrexia) the best I can pull together is after Karn left and the praetor began their civil war, Bolas had Tezzeret leave, I'm guess since Bolas wants to wait and see how the fight for control over New Phyrexia plays out.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Mirrodin's timeline is all screwy so trying to figure how long it took New Phyrexia to become a thing is next to impossible. Plus with Mirrans being half metal already, completion could be faster than say on Elspeth's home plane.
And I'll echo the desire for no Phyrexia here. We just had Innistrad and Zendikar where we dealt with an interplaner threat, and we have Amonkhet with Bolas on the horizon. Maybe it could just be Kaladesh focused for a bit, even if Tezzeret is kicking things in motion.
1. Karn created Mirrodin, not knowing he accidently infected it with Phyrexian oil.2. Tezzeret went to Mirrodin at Nicol Bolas's request.
3. [Redacted due to retcon]
4. Venser died.
5. ??????6. Profit!
I'm sorry, in the time it took you to read that, the entire story arc was retconned away when Sarkhan Vol revived Ugin, sans Venser. Your new canon will be ready in a moment... or two... ish.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
~~~~~
I believe the only MAJOR thing in Test of Metal that remains canon is that Tezzeret can make Etherium. Clockworking is not and nothing else is super important
I now really want Tezzeret to be Saheeli's Dad, AND be the only non-awful Dad in the multiverse.
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Much as I like the idea of it, it seems immeasurably unlikely.
I think it's more as a foil. I can't tell if it's just the lighting from the source, but the Tezz photo looks a lot darker, and like he's just forcing the metal into shape with pure will power. Saheeli is pretty distinctly manipulating aether with her work.
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It IS fun!
On the one hand, knowing Tezz's own daddy issues, I could see him being a pretty good dad. If his motivation is "Not be anything like my dad."
On the other hand, it's Tezzeret.
I suspect that Tezzerat is here either for his own reasons, or because Bolas is interested in the inventions for his own end.
I've been thinking the same thing about Tezzeret and Saheeli (as well Daretti) and I wonder how they make them different. Maybe Tezzeret will be more control or maybe more spell based like the preview card that has him in the art.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Next story, I would be very disappointed if all they did is talk or argue! I would be disappointed if its going to be fist and dodging battle like usual. Come on WotC! these are planeswalkers make them summon giant Demons and and Giant artifacts instead of fist fighting, make chandra blast the entire area with a meteor! Make Lily rot all surrounding consulates to bones! Dragons, Demons, volcanoes! not punches and jumping and dodging. These are MAGES not UFC champions.
It has never been really clear, but after the mending, if planeswalker want to summon creatures they create aether copies (similar to Followed Footsteps and as such "pulled" from the aether) instead of summoning the real thing from other worlds (which by current lore should kill those beings because of the volatile nature of the Blind Eternities). That is also why aether mages in magic normally return creatures to the players hand or something similar, they can disrupt the aether construct very easily. The copy can only be created by having a strong connection to the creature (similar to a mana link), which in turn was Kioras goal of establishing. That doesn't mean that planeswalkers and other mages can't control or teleport or whatever creatures which are of the same world they are fighting on, meaning Kiora summoning Lorthos against Kozilek still makes perfect sense.