Thus, in EM, based on the information we have I'm expecting we'll get 2 PW and probably 6 or less legendary creatures. My guess/hope for what we'll see would be:
Liliana :B-This one is a given Tamiyo :UG-Two mono U walkers in the same block would be silly, and it would allow her to fit w/ 2 of the primary clue colors w/out going into the same colors as Narset. Ulrich of Krallenhorde/Tovolar the Unchanging :RG-Because people will riot if there isn't a werewolf to use for commander. St. Traft 2.0 :WU-A popular card/character and seems to have become important as the focus of Thalia's new Cathar order. Ludevic, Necroalchemist :UB-Didn't get a card in OG Inn, and since Gisa and Geralf got to be in commander as well as appearing on many cards in SOI I'm thinking Ludevic is a the zombie-related legend of the set. Runo Stromkirk :R-Seems like a character who could play a bigger part in the plot, this is the prediction I'm most iffy about though Whatever it is Nahiri is the harbinger of :?-Idk what it'll be but I'll be surprised if it doesn't get a card
My only other thought is Thalia but idk if we'll get a second mono W legend since we already got Odric.
Anyway, those are my predictions for what we'll see in EM along with why, what do you think? And who do you think or hope will appear as a card in EM?
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UG Merfolk RG 8-Whack BWG Abzan midrange GRB Living End UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin" RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!" BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
They've also got a few hangovers from last block in Gisela, Bruenna, Thalia. But do you redo the old characters or give priority to the ones who haven't had a card yet? FWIW, I agree on Lili, Tamiyo, Ulrich, and Ludevic, but I could see Ludevic being pushed to a supplementary product like how Gisa/Geralf were. I think if you did another vampire sire, you'd have to complete the cycle, not have two and not the other two, so I think that's a strike against him. Edgar Markov feels more likely because of his tie to Sorin.
I think Thalia's likely as she's mentioned enough in flavour text, and Ludevic too, as it's probably time for him to get a card. I think they'll have to complete the cycle of Angels, with Bruenna and Gisela, and hopefully some nod to the fourth sister, but all that might be a wanting my cake and eating it too.
I just want to mention that nothing is a given, anymore. If the next block is Liliana-centric, we may not see a new Liliana card until then. In terms of who we haven't seen yet:
I would like to see Ludvec and Edgar personally. Additionally I would like to see and new white or white/green human legend that supports human tribal. We already got Oderic but a new Lunarch to replace Mikeas would be nice for the story.
I will spin into an unworldly nerd rage if there is no legendary werewolf in EM. Or...even worse...if our legendary "werewolf" turns out to be a Silverfur wolfir I may just jump out of my office window. That would be such a massive slap in the face...but I totally see it happening lol.
I think we will probably have a Liliana card in EMN. That makes me sad because the next block could very well be about her and she could get her planeswalker card then but it's already confirmed that Tibalt won't be getting a card this block and this seemed to be the one surefire opportunity for him to get another card. I just don't really see him getting another card anytime soon because he's more of a side character whereas Liliana is in teh spotlight and will continue to get planeswalker cards inevitably.
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I still have the unshakable impression that Nahiri somehow lured Emrakul to Innistrad for whatever happened that made her really hate Sorin. Also feel that, though colourless, Emrakul will feel very black and evoke a Cthulu feeling.
I think Emrakul is likely going to be included in the next set. There's so many hints about Emrakul's involvement on Innistrad that fans are likely going to be outraged if she's actually not.
Tamiyo :UG-Two mono U walkers in the same block would be silly, and it would allow her to fit w/ 2 of the primary clue colors w/out going into the same colors as Narset.
Am I the only one that wants Tamiyo to remain Mono-Blue?
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Tamiyo :UG-Two mono U walkers in the same block would be silly, and it would allow her to fit w/ 2 of the primary clue colors w/out going into the same colors as Narset.
Am I the only one that wants Tamiyo to remain Mono-Blue?
I don't see why Tamiyo needs a second color, but then again we know almost nothing about her as a character. If she did pick up a second color I think it should be whit but I prefer she stay mono blue. Or better yet just reprint AVR Tamiyo.
Tamiyo :UG-Two mono U walkers in the same block would be silly, and it would allow her to fit w/ 2 of the primary clue colors w/out going into the same colors as Narset.
Am I the only one that wants Tamiyo to remain Mono-Blue?
No. I prefer her to be Mono-Blue as well. But I don't know if it's feasible alongside Jace. If she needs to be something else, I feel UW is right for her. Her desire to use knowledge in assisting Innistrad feels very UW and very Narset to me.
No. I prefer her to be Mono-Blue as well. But I don't know if it's feasible alongside Jace. If she needs to be something else, I feel UW is right for her. Her desire to use knowledge in assisting Innistrad feels very UW and very Narset to me.
I agree. We also already have all five colors represented on 'walkers, so the fifth could really be anything.
A UW Tamiyo makes the most sense, as I think of her as the tapping walker, and that makes a lot of sense in UW.
No. I prefer her to be Mono-Blue as well. But I don't know if it's feasible alongside Jace. If she needs to be something else, I feel UW is right for her. Her desire to use knowledge in assisting Innistrad feels very UW and very Narset to me.
I agree. We also already have all five colors represented on 'walkers, so the fifth could really be anything.
A UW Tamiyo makes the most sense, as I think of her as the tapping walker, and that makes a lot of sense in UW.
A mono-U Tamiyo and B Liliana being the next PWs is feasible is given fact that Innistrad's color identity is black and can lean black/blue. It would be off if we had three walkers representing white when in the past the planes' color identity has been represented pretty well by the available planeswalkers. This is just a theory going off of that pattern of course, nothing else. SOI has U/RG/BW/RW. I think the possibilities for EMN are B/U/UG.
As for legendaries, I'm hoping for a new Thalia at Rare, and Halana & Alena.
No. I prefer her to be Mono-Blue as well. But I don't know if it's feasible alongside Jace. If she needs to be something else, I feel UW is right for her. Her desire to use knowledge in assisting Innistrad feels very UW and very Narset to me.
I agree. We also already have all five colors represented on 'walkers, so the fifth could really be anything.
A UW Tamiyo makes the most sense, as I think of her as the tapping walker, and that makes a lot of sense in UW.
A mono-U Tamiyo and B Liliana being the next PWs is feasible is given fact that Innistrad's color identity is black and can lean black/blue. It would be off if we had three walkers representing white when in the past the planes' color identity has been represented pretty well by the available planeswalkers. This is just a theory going off of that pattern of course, nothing else. SOI has U/RG/BW/RW. I think the possibilities for EMN are B/U/UG.
As for legendaries, I'm hoping for a new Thalia at Rare, and Halana & Alena.
The M15 'Soul of...' cycle doesn't really represent a planes 'color identity' - I think it's a mistake to think of it like that. Let's look at the history
Alara: W, WR, RG, U, RBU (3x Red)
Zendikar: W, R, U, G, B, BR (2x Red & Black - not green)
Scars: W, C, R, UB, WU (2x White & Blue)
Innistrad: G/GB, B, WB, U, R (3x Black)
Ravnica: GR, W, U, UR, GB (2x Blue and Green - not just blue)
Theros: GW, UB, W, GU, GR (3x Green - not white)
Tarkir: WU, GUR, R, WB, C (2x White & Blue)
Zendikar Again: R, W, GU, G, B (2x Green, hardly conclusive. If you total both blocks, it's a tie between Red, Black and Green)
Innistrad Again: GR, U, WR, WB, ?
There's no real pattern here, and especially not one that lends itself to some kind of planar color identity. Innistrad does skew black in its planeswalkers, but that's an exception, not the rule.
The M15 'Soul of...' cycle doesn't really represent a planes 'color identity' - I think it's a mistake to think of it like that. Let's look at the history
Alara: W, WR, RG, U, RBU (3x Red)
Zendikar: W, R, U, G, B, BR (2x Red & Black - not green)
Scars: W, C, R, UB, WU (2x White & Blue)
Innistrad: G/GB, B, WB, U, R (3x Black)
Ravnica: GR, W, U, UR, GB (2x Blue and Green - not just blue)
Theros: GW, UB, W, GU, GR (3x Green - not white)
Tarkir: WU, GUR, R, WB, C (2x White & Blue)
Zendikar Again: R, W, GU, G, B (2x Green, hardly conclusive. If you total both blocks, it's a tie between Red, Black and Green)
Innistrad Again: GR, U, WR, WB, ?
There's no real pattern here, and especially not one that lends itself to some kind of planar color identity. Innistrad does skew black in its planeswalkers, but that's an exception, not the rule.
True enough. I wasn't going off of the Soul cycle at all though. On top of that I was only talking about Innistrad. Plus, Maro has stated how several planes have color identities or leanings that affect the entire card set thematically and sometimes mechanically (white and blue doing "green" things in BFZ, for example. he's also said Tarkir leans read, as well as Innistrad black, and original Zendikar and Theros as well leaned green & green/white). So yeah, because of that all I'm saying is it would be weird if there were more White planeswalkers on a plane that is quite obviously even if not outright stated in flavor (but again, obvious) to be leaning black. Thematically and otherwise.
So, that's why it's more feasible to me that there would be two blue PW, instead of three white. Just based off of thematic patterns. Which is how I meant my comment about PW representation, as Innistrad 1.0 had quite a black showing. Even going by your tallies (thx for doing that), the past few years have a good thematic pattern (or lighter-than-pattern word if you prefer) in it's PW showing: Tarkir has a mono red, Ravnica a mono blue, Theros a mono white and lots of green, Innistrad had 3 with black, BFZ has two with green. And none of those were overshadowed by a color that wasn't the thematic identity.
I'd be fine w/ Tamiyo staying mono blue, I'd just be surprised if we got a second mono blue walker this block when we already have Jace. As for why I like UG over UW, I think that making Tamiyo UW, while it would make sense, might make her seem to similar to Narset as we would have 2 UW scholar PW. UG on the other hand has much more room for new directions as the only pw we have in those colors is Kiora, who is vastly different from Tamiyo and does not embody the full bredth of what UG is about
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UG Merfolk RG 8-Whack BWG Abzan midrange GRB Living End UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin" RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!" BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
Planeswalkers: Liliana and Tamiyo. No strong opinions on the latter's colors, though if mono-U isn't on the table because of Jace, UG would be fun.
Legendary Creatures: Halana and Alena, Gisela and Bruna (possibly sharing a card?), maybe the WB angel, Thalia (wouldn't mind a reprint, but would probably be a new card), Ulrich, one or more of the necromancer trio (also possibly sharing a card in some combination?), the Stromkirk sea god (not necessarily expecting it, but I want it), maybe a new Jeleva...and I think that's my whole list.
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I'd like Tamiyo to stay mono-blue just because there is only one other mono-blue walker that stayed mono-blue so far...
If she did start bleeding into other colors, I agree with those who believe WU makes the most sense. And if UG is a possibility, I find it a bit amusing that she'd be an even better fit for my old Azusa + moonfolk deck.
I'm guessing we will get a UB zombie themed legend, WU spirit themed legend and the long awaited RG werewolf themed legend, since we got our vampire and human tribal commanders with Olivia and Sigarda respectfully.
A random UG legend would also be awesome.
Liliana will mostly be mono-black and I really don't think Tamiyo will be given a card in this block.
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Arlin Kord :RG
Sorin :BW
Jace :U
Nahiri :RW
Avacyn :RW
Olivia :RB
Odric :W
Ormendahl :B
Sigarda :GW
The Gitrog :GB
Thus, in EM, based on the information we have I'm expecting we'll get 2 PW and probably 6 or less legendary creatures. My guess/hope for what we'll see would be:
Liliana :B-This one is a given
Tamiyo :UG-Two mono U walkers in the same block would be silly, and it would allow her to fit w/ 2 of the primary clue colors w/out going into the same colors as Narset.
Ulrich of Krallenhorde/Tovolar the Unchanging :RG-Because people will riot if there isn't a werewolf to use for commander.
St. Traft 2.0 :WU-A popular card/character and seems to have become important as the focus of Thalia's new Cathar order.
Ludevic, Necroalchemist :UB-Didn't get a card in OG Inn, and since Gisa and Geralf got to be in commander as well as appearing on many cards in SOI I'm thinking Ludevic is a the zombie-related legend of the set.
Runo Stromkirk :R-Seems like a character who could play a bigger part in the plot, this is the prediction I'm most iffy about though
Whatever it is Nahiri is the harbinger of :?-Idk what it'll be but I'll be surprised if it doesn't get a card
My only other thought is Thalia but idk if we'll get a second mono W legend since we already got Odric.
Anyway, those are my predictions for what we'll see in EM along with why, what do you think? And who do you think or hope will appear as a card in EM?
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
I think Thalia's likely as she's mentioned enough in flavour text, and Ludevic too, as it's probably time for him to get a card. I think they'll have to complete the cycle of Angels, with Bruenna and Gisela, and hopefully some nod to the fourth sister, but all that might be a wanting my cake and eating it too.
Legends: Gisa 2.0, Geralf 2.0, Ludevic, Thalia, Runo Stromkirk, Gisela 2.0, Bruna 2.0, Jeleva 2.0, Edgar Markov
Walkers: Liliana, Tamiyo, Tibalt
Traft is unlikely, I think. The aura we got this time is all we'll probably see.
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I think Tamiyo will be UW
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
A UW Tamiyo makes the most sense, as I think of her as the tapping walker, and that makes a lot of sense in UW.
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A mono-U Tamiyo and B Liliana being the next PWs is feasible is given fact that Innistrad's color identity is black and can lean black/blue. It would be off if we had three walkers representing white when in the past the planes' color identity has been represented pretty well by the available planeswalkers. This is just a theory going off of that pattern of course, nothing else. SOI has U/RG/BW/RW. I think the possibilities for EMN are B/U/UG.
As for legendaries, I'm hoping for a new Thalia at Rare, and Halana & Alena.
Alara: W, WR, RG, U, RBU (3x Red)
Zendikar: W, R, U, G, B, BR (2x Red & Black - not green)
Scars: W, C, R, UB, WU (2x White & Blue)
Innistrad: G/GB, B, WB, U, R (3x Black)
Ravnica: GR, W, U, UR, GB (2x Blue and Green - not just blue)
Theros: GW, UB, W, GU, GR (3x Green - not white)
Tarkir: WU, GUR, R, WB, C (2x White & Blue)
Zendikar Again: R, W, GU, G, B (2x Green, hardly conclusive. If you total both blocks, it's a tie between Red, Black and Green)
Innistrad Again: GR, U, WR, WB, ?
There's no real pattern here, and especially not one that lends itself to some kind of planar color identity. Innistrad does skew black in its planeswalkers, but that's an exception, not the rule.
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True enough. I wasn't going off of the Soul cycle at all though. On top of that I was only talking about Innistrad. Plus, Maro has stated how several planes have color identities or leanings that affect the entire card set thematically and sometimes mechanically (white and blue doing "green" things in BFZ, for example. he's also said Tarkir leans read, as well as Innistrad black, and original Zendikar and Theros as well leaned green & green/white). So yeah, because of that all I'm saying is it would be weird if there were more White planeswalkers on a plane that is quite obviously even if not outright stated in flavor (but again, obvious) to be leaning black. Thematically and otherwise.
So, that's why it's more feasible to me that there would be two blue PW, instead of three white. Just based off of thematic patterns. Which is how I meant my comment about PW representation, as Innistrad 1.0 had quite a black showing. Even going by your tallies (thx for doing that), the past few years have a good thematic pattern (or lighter-than-pattern word if you prefer) in it's PW showing: Tarkir has a mono red, Ravnica a mono blue, Theros a mono white and lots of green, Innistrad had 3 with black, BFZ has two with green. And none of those were overshadowed by a color that wasn't the thematic identity.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
Legendary Creatures: Halana and Alena, Gisela and Bruna (possibly sharing a card?), maybe the WB angel, Thalia (wouldn't mind a reprint, but would probably be a new card), Ulrich, one or more of the necromancer trio (also possibly sharing a card in some combination?), the Stromkirk sea god (not necessarily expecting it, but I want it), maybe a new Jeleva...and I think that's my whole list.
If she did start bleeding into other colors, I agree with those who believe WU makes the most sense. And if UG is a possibility, I find it a bit amusing that she'd be an even better fit for my old Azusa + moonfolk deck.
A random UG legend would also be awesome.
Liliana will mostly be mono-black and I really don't think Tamiyo will be given a card in this block.
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