The Powerstone blade with which Yawgmoth stabbed Dyfed in her head basically left her quadraplegic, unable to do something on her own will, including planeswalking, so he could study her later.
The Chandra-Gideon-Shipping-Book, aka "The Purifying Fire" had a vampire who cast a spell on a whole plane to stop walkers from planeswalking too I guess.
Feroz's Ban kept walkers off Ulgrotha. And more mundane methods could be used. Radha stabbed Teferi in the head which disrupted his conscience and left him 'dead' for a bit.
I think it all makes sense. Creative announcing Emrakul and Kozilek's (before his eventual appearance in OGW) disappearance... Ugin, Nahiri, Sorin trapping the Eldrazi problem in Zen... Ugin and Sorin not heeding Nahiri's call... Nahiri's uncalled visit to Innistrad... The destruction of Markov Manor (to tie the retcon of her anger towards Sorin regarding vamps in Zen)... And her card named Harbinger.
If she couldn't get Sorin/Ugin to solve the problem, she will have to bring the problem to them. At least Ugin finally visited and had a valid excuse.
The destruction of Markov Manor (to tie the retcon of her anger towards Sorin regarding vamps in Zen)
What? What retcon are you talking about? The Vampires on Zendikar had nothing to do with Sorin. It was so they could make the vampires originate from the Eldrazi. Nahiri is mad at Sorin for the blase way he brushed her off after she found him when he didn't respond to her distress beacon.
The Powerstone blade with which Yawgmoth stabbed Dyfed in her head basically left her quadraplegic, unable to do something on her own will, including planeswalking, so he could study her later.
The Chandra-Gideon-Shipping-Book, aka "The Purifying Fire" had a vampire who cast a spell on a whole plane to stop walkers from planeswalking too I guess.
Dyfed was only stopped because the knife kept moving causing more damage and her auto regenerative powers kept her technically alive but once the damage stopped she died.
In "The Purifying Fire" it was a mana drain that kept them from walking, they literally couldn't gather enough mana to planeswalk. It has been repeatedly stated that walking for neowalkers is a fairly intensive labor, and the barrier on the plane was keeping them from accessing sufficient mana.
Neither of these would have worked on Nahiri because first she is alive and second she was an oldwalker so he couldn't deny her the necessary mana.
the current story makes a point of stating that she wasn't able to manipulate it (thus wouldn't be able to simply crack it open and escape, like her own stone cocoon).
Which is kinda irrelevant, because she would not have to open a physical prison to leave it.
Has there been any previous examples of artificial or natural means of preventing an oldwalker from, well, planeswalking? The Shard is the only thing I can think of.
In the grafic novel "The Spellthief" there was a giant wizard creating a bubble from wich you couldn't planeswalk.
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Minor thing, but from today's Odds and Ends regarding Tibalt:
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I don't believe he's around. I haven't seen him mentioned in any of the stories for the block I've read. He is a Planeswalker, so odds are he's off traveling the Multiverse.
There was something else in one of the articles too but I forget now. I think in Sam's.
Edit: Oh, it was Ormendahl's card in the file with the story notation "So this is what all those cultists are up to..." Don't know if it necessarily means anything though. Avacyn's Judgment had a similar notation but it could just be a reference for the art team or he devs to make sure it still felt cultist related or something and not that it's exactly the goals of the cultists Nahiri is working with.
They didn't care that he was the savior of Fort Keff, the great hunter of Ondu, the champion of Kabira. To them, he was just another piece of flesh, a thing with life to be drained away.
I don't think the Skiradag are up to this as its a bit over their head to summon something other than a demon. So i agree it's probably not them. However, i think there is a different cult like organization that is working with Nahiri to help cause all of these problems. We know from the card "Nahiri's Machinations" that she seems to have followers. Just a thought.
Also, i dont think Tibalt will be showing up either. With everything going on with Sorin, Nahiri, Jace, Liliana, Arlinn, and Tamiyo there really isnt any room for a planeswalker like Tibalt to make an appearance.
Yeah I'm basically positive we won't see Tybalt this block. Tbh I'm really happy we're seeing Tamiyo, and that she's playing such a big role. I was kind of worried that both she and Tybalt would be characters WOTC kind of faded into obscurity, but I'm really impressed w/ the way they've seamlessly woven Tamiyo in as an essential part of the plot.
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Well from the latest article Jace is pretty convinced (also a bit insane it seems) that the cryptoliths are tied to another "moon". Since he is not in his right state of mind it seems it could be something else but something huge is coming. Now we have learned from previous articles that the Moon does affect pretty much everything on Innistrad. Angels, werewolves, tides, weather, ect. We know Nahiri cannot interact with the moon personally as she couldn't with the helvault. However, Jace used the term "parallax" which is when an objects distance seems to differ depending on the angle of the view. A parallax is typically used in astronomy for calculating the distance of object. Perhaps the cryptoliths are giving nahiri the ability to pull the moon out of its normal orbit which is affecting the angels, tides, and the werewolves? This theory doesn't quiet explain why multiple races are growing extras fingers or eyes.
Another interesting thing i saw when re-reading the earlier articles is in both article one and two there were reports of an "itching on the back of the neck". In article one there were village members reporting this feeling and in article two avacyn herself was having this same feeling right before she started going cray. Another observation is in both of these articles these events happened very close the a forest. In article one it was the ulvenwald and in article two it was a forest avacyn went into to find a child. I just found that a bit interesting. Especially when looking at the card "Skin Invasion". Perhaps there is an unknown parasite that has appeared with all the events going on that is affecting the races. Again doesn't explain everything just shooting out ideas.
Finally it seems like Lili does have a plan with this "Master Dierk" that is dealing with the Chain Veil. We know she wishes to get rid of it. Wonder what she needs to storm for this plan with the Veil.
Okay can we say that Liliana will finally destroy the chain veil this block?
If she does, she can lose enough power to be able to join the gatewatch, and then all the magic origins planeswalkers will be part of it.
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but pretty positive that Gisa is the one behind the zombies in the drownyard because of flavor text on Rise from the Tides.
Well this story confirmed my suspicions that we will not be disappointed this block. While I'm still convinced that Emrakul is the Eldritch Moon, there are clearly multiple interrelated events going on, and Liliana is not going to be shoehorned into the storyline, like many have predicted.
I like the Raven Man is Lim-Dul angle, but it kind of feels like a reincarnation of the Marit Lage theory. Some ancient powerful entity from the old stories has returned, which don't get me wrong, I would love. But I doubt they are going in this direction.
I have no idea, but I was under the impression that Innistrad devils were a Tibalt thing. Of course, I wasn't around during the first Innistrad go-around, so please forgive my ignorance.
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Devils were a thing before well before Tibalt. Tibalt's origin is that he was a human from Nephalia, who did experiments in inflicting pain on others. (He originally apprenticed under one of the many stitchers, but found he was much more interested in experiments on the living than the dead.) He did all of this under the tutelage of devils. They has seen his work and were impressed, so they offered him their insight into the nature of pain. Eventually word of his experiments got out, and Inquisitors from the church came to put a stop to his experiments. In an last-ditch effort to save himself, he invoked a powerful spell that fused the devils' essences with his own, but caused him to experience in a single moment all the suffering he had ever inflicted on others. That trauma trigger his spark's ignition.
Has Wizards explained how Nahiri has survived over 1,000 years since the Eldrazi were originally sealed? She was not described as an "oldwalker" like Sorin, so she doesn't seem to have the ability to be long-lived.
Shes still alive because, like Urza, Nahiri is a pre-mending planeswalker. Also, when she was sitting watch at the eye of ugin fore those thousands of years, she had herself sealed in stone and only came out when the Eldrazi nearly escaped prior to the first zendikar block.
Shes still alive because, like Urza, Nahiri is a pre-mending planeswalker. Also, when she was sitting watch at the eye of ugin fore those thousands of years, she had herself sealed in stone and only came out when the Eldrazi nearly escaped prior to the first zendikar block.
Incorrect. Nahiri survived the years between the sealing 6000 years ago and the mending by being an oldwalker but after the mending, i.e. since the last time we saw her 1000 years ago on Zendikar, she has lost her oldwalker immortality. They already fudged this up by not explaining Venser not aging but there are reasonable hypotheses for him. For Nahiri the only idea for her is that she was in the Helvault but there are holes in that hypothesis. Lili went from sexy to old hag within what seemed to be a reasonably short period after the mending. Unfortunately Lili is all we have to go on for this right now since Venser is dead and of the three other previous oldwalkers we have, one is an immortal vampire and the other two are dragons who have unknown but arbitrarily large life spans (Ugin and Bolas are around 25000 years old.)
So no. We don't know how Nahiri hasn't died of old age yet.
Shes still alive because, like Urza, Nahiri is a pre-mending planeswalker. Also, when she was sitting watch at the eye of ugin fore those thousands of years, she had herself sealed in stone and only came out when the Eldrazi nearly escaped prior to the first zendikar block.
Incorrect. Nahiri survived the years between the sealing 6000 years ago and the mending by being an oldwalker but after the mending, i.e. since the last time we saw her 1000 years ago on Zendikar, she has lost her oldwalker immortality. They already fudged this up by not explaining Venser not aging but there are reasonable hypotheses for him. For Nahiri the only idea for her is that she was in the Helvault but there are holes in that hypothesis. Lili went from sexy to old hag within what seemed to be a reasonably short period after the mending. Unfortunately Lili is all we have to go on for this right now since Venser is dead and of the three other previous oldwalkers we have, one is an immortal vampire and the other two are dragons who have unknown but arbitrarily large life spans (Ugin and Bolas are around 25000 years old.)
So no. We don't know how Nahiri hasn't died of old age yet.
Don't forget our robot, he's from way back and doesn't age either. The whole no longer immortal thing was really important to Liliana's story so they can't retcon that without significant backlash, but I wouldn't be very surprised if they just ignored it when inconvenient, like they did with Venser. So its entirely possible we get no explanation for Nahiri's longevity and are left with this question never answered for any pre-mending walkers seen now.
Don't forget our robot, he's from way back and doesn't age either. The whole no longer immortal thing was really important to Liliana's story so they can't retcon that without significant backlash, but I wouldn't be very surprised if they just ignored it when inconvenient, like they did with Venser. So its entirely possible we get no explanation for Nahiri's longevity and are left with this question never answered for any pre-mending walkers seen now.
Don't forget our robot, he's from way back and doesn't age either.
Well, why would he...?
All of this talk about Nahiri's longetivity and also that thing with Venser just soldifies my suspicion that when they revamped the planeswalkers during the mending they should've kept them ageless. Do away with the omnipotence of course, but keep them immortal. This way they can a) bring back characters from the past without always having to explain themselves and b) keep characters in the storyline even as lots of time passes. Honestly I can see the second point come back and bite them in their behind eventually.
Shes still alive because, like Urza, Nahiri is a pre-mending planeswalker. Also, when she was sitting watch at the eye of ugin fore those thousands of years, she had herself sealed in stone and only came out when the Eldrazi nearly escaped prior to the first zendikar block.
Incorrect. Nahiri survived the years between the sealing 6000 years ago and the mending by being an oldwalker but after the mending, i.e. since the last time we saw her 1000 years ago on Zendikar, she has lost her oldwalker immortality. They already fudged this up by not explaining Venser not aging but there are reasonable hypotheses for him. For Nahiri the only idea for her is that she was in the Helvault but there are holes in that hypothesis. Lili went from sexy to old hag within what seemed to be a reasonably short period after the mending. Unfortunately Lili is all we have to go on for this right now since Venser is dead and of the three other previous oldwalkers we have, one is an immortal vampire and the other two are dragons who have unknown but arbitrarily large life spans (Ugin and Bolas are around 25000 years old.)
So no. We don't know how Nahiri hasn't died of old age yet.
She might still be aging, the helvault might pause that process.
Or shes just immortal.
Or, she could keep a life extending mana-packed hedron in her pocket. Hey, it worked for Ugin
Headcanon, but perhaps she merely fossilized herself? She's shown to be great with stone and has at many points became part of the stone. It's a tiny leap to pretend she's secretly made of rocks.
Karn was already millenia old before becoming a planeswalker, he is not like the others as he is NOT a properly living being, but a sentient machine. And, as stated in the TSP cycle books, Venser drank from Jhoira and Jodah's water of slow aging or something called along those lines.
Water of slow time, it was created, funny enough, when Karn changed the past by traveling in time, and Urza's time machine broke creating pockets of fast and slow time all over the island of Tolaria. The water from the slow time rifts had the effect of slowing down people's aging. Combined with the slow time rifts themselves, this meant that all the mortals on Tolaria lived an exceptionally long time.
Was there an official source on the natural lifespan of a Kor from Zendikar? Wasn't it implied that most of them (or any species, really) died early simply because of Zendikar's hostile nature to its inhabitants and I doubt the Eldrazi awakening made that any better for them (quite the opposite, in fact).
Well, not that I think it's going to be a 1,000 years, but a longer natural lifespan might help ease to some degree, although it doesn't explain the agelessness... (was there any Old Kor on Zendikar for us to prove that they even age visually with time?)
Was there an official source on the natural lifespan of a Kor from Zendikar? Wasn't it implied that most of them (or any species, really) died early simply because of Zendikar's hostile nature to its inhabitants and I doubt the Eldrazi awakening made that any better for them (quite the opposite, in fact).
Well, not that I think it's going to be a 1,000 years, but a longer natural lifespan might help ease to some degree, although it doesn't explain the agelessness... (was there any Old Kor on Zendikar for us to prove that they even age visually with time?)
I thought Commander Vorik was an old Kor. If relatively long lifespan was a feature of Kor, I'm pretty certain it would have been mentioned during the world building for BFZ at some point, especially if it were going to be a plot point in the block immediately afterwards (perhaps like Emrakul's newly attributed ability of transforming people into her spawn). Zendikar elves elongated lifespan was still mentioned in the art book. I think we should assume they have an average lifespan relative to humans unless told otherwise. I seem to recall a source saying they do actually live longer than humans on order to make several pilgrimages across Zendikar in their life times but I could never find that. And I wasn't under the impression it was an absurd additional amount of time so as to appear the same as you looked 1000 years ago.
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They didn't care that he was the savior of Fort Keff, the great hunter of Ondu, the champion of Kabira. To them, he was just another piece of flesh, a thing with life to be drained away.
But the people behind the barrier knew.
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The Chandra-Gideon-Shipping-Book, aka "The Purifying Fire" had a vampire who cast a spell on a whole plane to stop walkers from planeswalking too I guess.
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If she couldn't get Sorin/Ugin to solve the problem, she will have to bring the problem to them. At least Ugin finally visited and had a valid excuse.
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What? What retcon are you talking about? The Vampires on Zendikar had nothing to do with Sorin. It was so they could make the vampires originate from the Eldrazi. Nahiri is mad at Sorin for the blase way he brushed her off after she found him when he didn't respond to her distress beacon.
In "The Purifying Fire" it was a mana drain that kept them from walking, they literally couldn't gather enough mana to planeswalk. It has been repeatedly stated that walking for neowalkers is a fairly intensive labor, and the barrier on the plane was keeping them from accessing sufficient mana.
Neither of these would have worked on Nahiri because first she is alive and second she was an oldwalker so he couldn't deny her the necessary mana.
In the grafic novel "The Spellthief" there was a giant wizard creating a bubble from wich you couldn't planeswalk.
There was something else in one of the articles too but I forget now. I think in Sam's.
Edit: Oh, it was Ormendahl's card in the file with the story notation "So this is what all those cultists are up to..." Don't know if it necessarily means anything though. Avacyn's Judgment had a similar notation but it could just be a reference for the art team or he devs to make sure it still felt cultist related or something and not that it's exactly the goals of the cultists Nahiri is working with.
But the people behind the barrier knew.
Also, i dont think Tibalt will be showing up either. With everything going on with Sorin, Nahiri, Jace, Liliana, Arlinn, and Tamiyo there really isnt any room for a planeswalker like Tibalt to make an appearance.
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Another interesting thing i saw when re-reading the earlier articles is in both article one and two there were reports of an "itching on the back of the neck". In article one there were village members reporting this feeling and in article two avacyn herself was having this same feeling right before she started going cray. Another observation is in both of these articles these events happened very close the a forest. In article one it was the ulvenwald and in article two it was a forest avacyn went into to find a child. I just found that a bit interesting. Especially when looking at the card "Skin Invasion". Perhaps there is an unknown parasite that has appeared with all the events going on that is affecting the races. Again doesn't explain everything just shooting out ideas.
Finally it seems like Lili does have a plan with this "Master Dierk" that is dealing with the Chain Veil. We know she wishes to get rid of it. Wonder what she needs to storm for this plan with the Veil.
If she does, she can lose enough power to be able to join the gatewatch, and then all the magic origins planeswalkers will be part of it.
I like the Raven Man is Lim-Dul angle, but it kind of feels like a reincarnation of the Marit Lage theory. Some ancient powerful entity from the old stories has returned, which don't get me wrong, I would love. But I doubt they are going in this direction.
One of the various breaches into the underworld like Ashmouth.
Devils were a thing before well before Tibalt. Tibalt's origin is that he was a human from Nephalia, who did experiments in inflicting pain on others. (He originally apprenticed under one of the many stitchers, but found he was much more interested in experiments on the living than the dead.) He did all of this under the tutelage of devils. They has seen his work and were impressed, so they offered him their insight into the nature of pain. Eventually word of his experiments got out, and Inquisitors from the church came to put a stop to his experiments. In an last-ditch effort to save himself, he invoked a powerful spell that fused the devils' essences with his own, but caused him to experience in a single moment all the suffering he had ever inflicted on others. That trauma trigger his spark's ignition.
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Shes still alive because, like Urza, Nahiri is a pre-mending planeswalker. Also, when she was sitting watch at the eye of ugin fore those thousands of years, she had herself sealed in stone and only came out when the Eldrazi nearly escaped prior to the first zendikar block.
Incorrect. Nahiri survived the years between the sealing 6000 years ago and the mending by being an oldwalker but after the mending, i.e. since the last time we saw her 1000 years ago on Zendikar, she has lost her oldwalker immortality. They already fudged this up by not explaining Venser not aging but there are reasonable hypotheses for him. For Nahiri the only idea for her is that she was in the Helvault but there are holes in that hypothesis. Lili went from sexy to old hag within what seemed to be a reasonably short period after the mending. Unfortunately Lili is all we have to go on for this right now since Venser is dead and of the three other previous oldwalkers we have, one is an immortal vampire and the other two are dragons who have unknown but arbitrarily large life spans (Ugin and Bolas are around 25000 years old.)
So no. We don't know how Nahiri hasn't died of old age yet.
Yeah that's what I'm worried about. :/
Well, why would he...?
All of this talk about Nahiri's longetivity and also that thing with Venser just soldifies my suspicion that when they revamped the planeswalkers during the mending they should've kept them ageless. Do away with the omnipotence of course, but keep them immortal. This way they can a) bring back characters from the past without always having to explain themselves and b) keep characters in the storyline even as lots of time passes. Honestly I can see the second point come back and bite them in their behind eventually.
She might still be aging, the helvault might pause that process.
Or shes just immortal.
Or, she could keep a life extending mana-packed hedron in her pocket. Hey, it worked for Ugin
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Well, not that I think it's going to be a 1,000 years, but a longer natural lifespan might help ease to some degree, although it doesn't explain the agelessness... (was there any Old Kor on Zendikar for us to prove that they even age visually with time?)
I thought Commander Vorik was an old Kor. If relatively long lifespan was a feature of Kor, I'm pretty certain it would have been mentioned during the world building for BFZ at some point, especially if it were going to be a plot point in the block immediately afterwards (perhaps like Emrakul's newly attributed ability of transforming people into her spawn). Zendikar elves elongated lifespan was still mentioned in the art book. I think we should assume they have an average lifespan relative to humans unless told otherwise. I seem to recall a source saying they do actually live longer than humans on order to make several pilgrimages across Zendikar in their life times but I could never find that. And I wasn't under the impression it was an absurd additional amount of time so as to appear the same as you looked 1000 years ago.
But the people behind the barrier knew.