So did Gisa got jealous that her brother made a friend and then she decideded to help Nahriri in ofset to make friends aswell?XD
Rise from the Tides implies that Gisa is working in the Nephalia coast and she found new playmatess XD(could also imply that her new playmates are the zombies)
Yeah but these summaries have proven to be wacky before, as with BFZ and the artbook, Fatpack, etc. These are for people that don't need the lore. Without details, one might think "why is Lilliana suspected by Jace, then?" So the summary might just say it's what happened, even when the intricacies of the UR might suggest it was a delusion Jace percieved, and not literally what happened. I mean we were told everything grew back on Zendikar and all was well, but we know the plane is recovering, and Nissa is there planting and healing it slowly. We were told Kiora matched Thassa in battle, when we know she got royally wrecked. She didn't leave Zendikar in despair either.
There's no reason to suspect at least two coinciding clarifications of the happenings in the story are totally wrong until something contradicts that, don't you think...
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Jenrik, I like the idea of a Mox Beacon--or rather, a Crypolith Beacon to call Emrakul, just as Sorin called the Eldrazi to Zendikar.
Of course, Emrakul is in her astral form, so she can be hanging just outside Innistrad.
Exactly. From what it sounds like, Emrakul is looming over the Innistrad-pond, casting a shadow (pardon the pun) and perhaps rippling the surface a little bit. The fact that she's screwing up so much without entering the plane only speaks of how destructive the Eldrazi are supposed to be. Also, it would appear Emrakul + Nahiri is much more powerful than even Kozilek. Jace spent a month on Zendikar, and even managed to withstand Kozilek's full reality distorttion for at least an hour without so much as breaking a sweat. Less than two weeks on a plane Emrakul hasn't even entered, and he's already gone off the deep end.
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Jenrik, I like the idea of a Mox Beacon--or rather, a Crypolith Beacon to call Emrakul, just as Sorin called the Eldrazi to Zendikar.
Of course, Emrakul is in her astral form, so she can be hanging just outside Innistrad.
Exactly. From what it sounds like, Emrakul is looming over the Innistrad-pond, casting a shadow (pardon the pun) and perhaps rippling the surface a little bit. The fact that she's screwing up so much without entering the plane only speaks of how destructive the Eldrazi are supposed to be. Also, it would appear Emrakul + Nahiri is much more powerful than even Kozilek. Jace spent a month on Zendikar, and even managed to withstand Kozilek's full reality distorttion for at least an hour without so much as breaking a sweat. Less than two weeks on a plane Emrakul hasn't even entered, and he's already gone off the deep end.
A perfectly valid viewpoint, which may be a correct summary. Another possibility, however, is that before Kozilek wasn't really trying much, just going about indifferent to the ants beneath him. With his and Ulamog's demise, Emrakul may be giving us a taste of what happens when an Eldrazi Titan plays for keeps.
Of course, Emrakul is in her astral form, so she can be hanging just outside Innistrad.
Exactly. From what it sounds like, Emrakul is looming over the Innistrad-pond, casting a shadow (pardon the pun) and perhaps rippling the surface a little bit. The fact that she's screwing up so much without entering the plane only speaks of how destructive the Eldrazi are supposed to be. [...] Less than two weeks on a plane Emrakul hasn't even entered, and he's already gone off the deep end.
Actually, I think Emrakul *is* already there - or at least, as much as she ever needs to be. She's the Object Jace perceives like a blind spot hanging over the Drownyard Temple after he touches the cryptolith. And the key wording in the UR:
"A blind spot, the Object, loomed in his vision, hovering just above the circle of stones in the distance. It pulsed with power, in time with the lustrous web of veins on the monoliths below it. This was the nexus of Innistrad's redirected leylines, the siphoned center of its energy."
'The siphoned centre'. The energy of Innistrad is already being siphoned into the Object, hanging invisible like a blind spot over the Drownyard Temple, right at the hub of Innistrad's redirected leylines. She's feeding, but in her astral form, where she's more like a hole into a different dimension than a tangible physical manifestation. But without touching the cryptolith, Jace couldn't even see her astral form - the sky above the temple seemed empty until then.
On a different note, that fat pack summary actually ties all the strands together really nicely. Nahiri really does want Innistrad dead, doesn't she? And I'm finding it harder to think her the victim of the madness now rather than its orchestrator. Whatever Sorin did at their last meeting must have *really* pissed her off.
And I liked that find about the Mountains of Madness comic cover art on Wikipedia. That's eyes and tentacles all right! So as much as we seem to have pretty well settled on Emrakul being the source/extension of the Object and the focus of the Drownyard Temple, I'd still love it if we found it was an opposing eldritch monstrosity* and that the story of Innistrad is that the planeswalkers have stumbled into the middle of a much larger multiverse-wide conflict between beings infinitely more powerful and incomprehensible than they had ever thought. That would be a truly Lovecraftian revelation. Imagine Jace's reaction if he finds out the Eldrazi were the 'good' guys?! (He gets a new PW card - Jace, Dribbling Lunatic )
On a different note, that fat pack summary actually ties all the strands together really nicely. Nahiri really does want Innistrad dead, doesn't she? And I'm finding it harder to think her the victim of the madness now rather than its orchestrator. Whatever Sorin did at their last meeting must have *really* pissed her off.
That's a little difficult to say at this point because we don't know how much is Nahiri and how much is (probably) Emrakul.
One way to look at this is how the "Object" influenced Jace into going after Liliana. One thing that Wizards had played down in their first meeting is the fact that Liliana and Jace were in an abusive relationship with Liliana as the abuser (it's referenced in Unwelcome, but from what I read on Tumblr, Liliana did more to Jace that's deserving of more than a little animosity). And now Jace thinks Liliana is the mastermind behind everything wrong with Innistrad even though the majority of it is out of her wheelhouse because Liliana must be the only being capable of mastering zombies.
When I first read the Drownyard Temple, I groaned because we're getting into filler. However, I'm willing to give it a chance for two reasons (and this is getting back to Emrakul and Nahiri).
Emrakul is not creating the situation for betrayal, but amplifying it. The thought slipped to Jace and then Emrakul puts an emphasis on it. This could easily be the case in Nahiri's mind as well regarding Sorin. Emrakul isn't manipulating people by planting ideas in their head, she's amplifying what's already there. Which while is a subtle difference then outright planting ideas, it is probably closer to the more frightening possibility because the whole "it wasn't really brainwashing" aspect that could play out. My go to example here is not H.P. Lovecraft but rather the Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Emrakul is Majora's Mask and Nahiri and Jace are the Skull Kid.
It also gives a sliver of hope for Nahiri to be redeemed from this because she's likely a victim in all this as well.
The second reason that I am willing to give this following plot thread a chance is because if they write it correctly, we could learn a lot about Jace and Liliana. While it wouldn't be relevant to the plot per say, it'd be relevant to the characters, which is ultimately more important.
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Alot of things point to Emmy but the ability to make people crazy isn't her thing from past stories so its weird to thinks its her.
Maybe Kozilek and Ulamog's deaths gave their pwoers to Emmrakull because madness is Kozi's area but the timeline seems iffy because i think Nahiri have doing this ebfore the titans deaths.
Actually, I think Emrakul *is* already there - or at least, as much as she ever needs to be. She's the Object Jace perceives like a blind spot hanging over the Drownyard Temple after he touches the cryptolith. And the key wording in the UR:
"A blind spot, the Object, loomed in his vision, hovering just above the circle of stones in the distance. It pulsed with power, in time with the lustrous web of veins on the monoliths below it. This was the nexus of Innistrad's redirected leylines, the siphoned center of its energy."
'The siphoned centre'. The energy of Innistrad is already being siphoned into the Object, hanging invisible like a blind spot over the Drownyard Temple, right at the hub of Innistrad's redirected leylines. She's feeding, but in her astral form, where she's more like a hole into a different dimension than a tangible physical manifestation. But without touching the cryptolith, Jace couldn't even see her astral form - the sky above the temple seemed empty until then.
That's my point. Emrakul's "Astral Form" isn't entirely in the plane. Her hand is just brushing the surface of the pond. The form we saw in Zendikar is what happens when you grab that hand, yank it into the plane, and pin it to the pond bottom with a giant spike. From the Lithomancer story, it sounded like Ulamog only physically entered the plane to finish it off. Previously, he was just running his fingers across the surface in the form of his brood lineage. If I had to guess, Emrakul is doing something similar: Lurking on the surface of the plane, waiting until it's weak enough to warrant entering fully.
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All summarized, I am glad that this time the FP revealed almost nothing.
Is anything confirmed? Yes. Basically, two things. Jace meets Tamiyo (that much we knew), and Sorin indeed unmakes Avacyn. The full art suggested the possibility of Jace and Tamiyo arriving to stop his hand, but now we know that it was the other way around - he arrived to save their backsides and ended her.
What is not confirmed, but bordering on certainty - Nahiri is a perpetrator, not a victim. Forcing Sorin to kill Avacyn served to hurt him greatly, but it is also a part of a greater plan - one the Sorin realizes in the end of the SoI story.
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We also already knew Sorin destroys Avacyn, because THEY PRINTED IT ON A FREAKIN CARD!!!!!!
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We also already knew Sorin destroys Avacyn, because THEY PRINTED IT ON A FREAKIN CARD!!!!!!
Some people speculated that Sorin din't kill her or Jace and Tamiyo knew how to heal ehr or something like that. Poor souls thinknig that Avacyn would survive this
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good analysis, yet the part where the buzzing voice tries to convince Jace to let go of every question (like the fisherwoman) doesn't really fit.
Would that mean that both Jace and the fisherwoman had the same latent desire to become mindless puppets?
The fisherwoman is closer towards the end result. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Eldritch Moon, she morphs into an Eldrazi spawn (if this is indeed Emrakul). Also, part of manipulating people is to convince them that their desires are actually (in his case) Emrakul's desires. Emrakul is working to twist their desires until they match hers. She's not planting seeds, but rather working with what's already there.
Alot of things point to Emmy but the ability to make people crazy isn't her thing from past stories so its weird to thinks its her.
Maybe Kozilek and Ulamog's deaths gave their pwoers to Emmrakull because madness is Kozi's area but the timeline seems iffy because i think Nahiri have doing this ebfore the titans deaths.
There's a huge problem with Emrakul's and Kozilek's power set in that both basically have the same ones. Kozilek can manipulate physics (matter) while Emrakul can manipulate biology (living matter) and gravity (which I think expands her abilities to being able to manipulate all matter). Ulamog was different only in rather than manipulating matter, he just breaks it down to dust, although the fact that he has spawn suggests that he does more than that as well. So we have three different monsters with the same power set applied in two different ways. That's an issue because it implies that from a writing perspective we only ever needed two Eldrazi Titans.
The difference between Kozilek and Emrakul at this point is the execution of the writing of the stories they are/were in.
Of course, Emrakul is in her astral form, so she can be hanging just outside Innistrad.
Exactly. From what it sounds like, Emrakul is looming over the Innistrad-pond, casting a shadow (pardon the pun) and perhaps rippling the surface a little bit. The fact that she's screwing up so much without entering the plane only speaks of how destructive the Eldrazi are supposed to be. [...] Less than two weeks on a plane Emrakul hasn't even entered, and he's already gone off the deep end.
Actually, I think Emrakul *is* already there - or at least, as much as she ever needs to be. She's the Object Jace perceives like a blind spot hanging over the Drownyard Temple after he touches the cryptolith. And the key wording in the UR:
"A blind spot, the Object, loomed in his vision, hovering just above the circle of stones in the distance. It pulsed with power, in time with the lustrous web of veins on the monoliths below it. This was the nexus of Innistrad's redirected leylines, the siphoned center of its energy."
'The siphoned centre'. The energy of Innistrad is already being siphoned into the Object, hanging invisible like a blind spot over the Drownyard Temple, right at the hub of Innistrad's redirected leylines. She's feeding, but in her astral form, where she's more like a hole into a different dimension than a tangible physical manifestation. But without touching the cryptolith, Jace couldn't even see her astral form - the sky above the temple seemed empty until then.
On a different note, that fat pack summary actually ties all the strands together really nicely. Nahiri really does want Innistrad dead, doesn't she? And I'm finding it harder to think her the victim of the madness now rather than its orchestrator. Whatever Sorin did at their last meeting must have *really* pissed her off.
And I liked that find about the Mountains of Madness comic cover art on Wikipedia. That's eyes and tentacles all right! So as much as we seem to have pretty well settled on Emrakul being the source/extension of the Object and the focus of the Drownyard Temple, I'd still love it if we found it was an opposing eldritch monstrosity* and that the story of Innistrad is that the planeswalkers have stumbled into the middle of a much larger multiverse-wide conflict between beings infinitely more powerful and incomprehensible than they had ever thought. That would be a truly Lovecraftian revelation. Imagine Jace's reaction if he finds out the Eldrazi were the 'good' guys?! (He gets a new PW card - Jace, Dribbling Lunatic )
*Yeah go on then - it could be Marit Lage
I always like unexpected depth/shocking (sensible) revelations in stories. So yeah, finding out that there might be more to the Eldrazi's existence or finding out about a new *side* would be something I could dig. Like I said before, the details thus far are on point enough AND vague enough to apply to Emrakul or something else.
Like the wise man said, 'There's always a bigger fish.'
Of course, Emrakul is in her astral form, so she can be hanging just outside Innistrad.
Exactly. From what it sounds like, Emrakul is looming over the Innistrad-pond, casting a shadow (pardon the pun) and perhaps rippling the surface a little bit. The fact that she's screwing up so much without entering the plane only speaks of how destructive the Eldrazi are supposed to be. [...] Less than two weeks on a plane Emrakul hasn't even entered, and he's already gone off the deep end.
Actually, I think Emrakul *is* already there - or at least, as much as she ever needs to be. She's the Object Jace perceives like a blind spot hanging over the Drownyard Temple after he touches the cryptolith. And the key wording in the UR:
"A blind spot, the Object, loomed in his vision, hovering just above the circle of stones in the distance. It pulsed with power, in time with the lustrous web of veins on the monoliths below it. This was the nexus of Innistrad's redirected leylines, the siphoned center of its energy."
'The siphoned centre'. The energy of Innistrad is already being siphoned into the Object, hanging invisible like a blind spot over the Drownyard Temple, right at the hub of Innistrad's redirected leylines. She's feeding, but in her astral form, where she's more like a hole into a different dimension than a tangible physical manifestation. But without touching the cryptolith, Jace couldn't even see her astral form - the sky above the temple seemed empty until then.
On a different note, that fat pack summary actually ties all the strands together really nicely. Nahiri really does want Innistrad dead, doesn't she? And I'm finding it harder to think her the victim of the madness now rather than its orchestrator. Whatever Sorin did at their last meeting must have *really* pissed her off.
And I liked that find about the Mountains of Madness comic cover art on Wikipedia. That's eyes and tentacles all right! So as much as we seem to have pretty well settled on Emrakul being the source/extension of the Object and the focus of the Drownyard Temple, I'd still love it if we found it was an opposing eldritch monstrosity* and that the story of Innistrad is that the planeswalkers have stumbled into the middle of a much larger multiverse-wide conflict between beings infinitely more powerful and incomprehensible than they had ever thought. That would be a truly Lovecraftian revelation. Imagine Jace's reaction if he finds out the Eldrazi were the 'good' guys?! (He gets a new PW card - Jace, Dribbling Lunatic )
*Yeah go on then - it could be Marit Lage
I Do also think it could be something else than Emrakul. In the recent articel (The Drownyard Temple) it is described that the thing above Innistrad is influenzing the tides (so the gravity) on the plane. That wasn't described when the Titans were about Zendikar.
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I Do also think it could be something else than Emrakul. In the recent articel (The Drownyard Temple) it is described that the thing above Innistrad is influenzing the tides (so the gravity) on the plane. That wasn't described when the Titans were about Zendikar.
But that was when they already where on Zendikar not in the multiverse above.
The effects would remain the same. Her ability to alter gravity wouldnt only be applicable when she was manifested in physical form, she can still maintain her key abilities, I would assume.
There isnt really enough information to infer either to be true, though. Not yet, anyways; only speculation. The conclusions drawn with what info we have can be split both ways, really.
I actually have to wonder if Emrakul will show up in Eldritch Moon.
On the one hand, this seems nearly undeniably her. Possibly she's more intelligent than the others because she's had more to eat and is no longer starving, or possibly Wizards has realized that they screwed up by implying all along that the Eldrazi were intelligent but having them appear as nothing more than wandering hungering forces of nature. Like, the way Kozilek and Ulamog were shown never really tracked with Kozilek's ability to drive people insane or convert them to his side as happened to Tazri in that one Uncharted Realms.
Anyway, I wonder if Emrakul wills show up at all, since one of the throw away lines in the last Uncharted Realms was specifically "the object was gone." We might never actually find out what was being summoned if she's truly gone. She showed up, drove people nuts, ate a bunch of the plane, and then vanished.
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I actually have to wonder if Emrakul will show up in Eldritch Moon.
On the one hand, this seems nearly undeniably her. Possibly she's more intelligent than the others because she's had more to eat and is no longer starving, or possibly Wizards has realized that they screwed up by implying all along that the Eldrazi were intelligent but having them appear as nothing more than wandering hungering forces of nature. Like, the way Kozilek and Ulamog were shown never really tracked with Kozilek's ability to drive people insane or convert them to his side as happened to Tazri in that one Uncharted Realms.
Anyway, I wonder if Emrakul wills show up at all, since one of the throw away lines in the last Uncharted Realms was specifically "the object was gone." We might never actually find out what was being summoned if she's truly gone. She showed up, drove people nuts, ate a bunch of the plane, and then vanished.
I've been saying all along that I think there will be zero cards with the creature type eldrazi in Eldritch Moon, including Emrakul heritself. Part of the trap that Sorin, Nahiri, and Ugin built on Zendikar was that it created physical bodies that could be trapped. Unless the same enchantments are put into place on Innistrad, Emrakul will remain in her normal astral state and thus not get a card.
Really appreciate that link, although sadly it confirms my fears: there really doesn't seem to be any plan to utilize Arlinn in the SOI story. I mean really? Not even a walker entry in the fat pack book? Come on Wizards. You have a mature, powerful female character who likely would serve as a better asset in a fight against....whatever is coming than Jace or Tamiyo. I feel like as a werewolf fan that even when we win, we don't win. Each tribe in SOI gets a fun new way to play (okay, not zombies. They more or less always play the same), except werewolves. And we still don't have a legend. And Arlinn gets no story love at all outside of the very first story.
Please Wizards, let Eldritch Moon be the werewolf set. Please, please, pleeeeeaaaaassssseeeeee
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Is the fact that Sorin made the Helvault new information? I thought the Helvault was made after the angels realized the slayed demons just kept reforming.
I'm also glad that they didn't retcon Nahiri into having left Zendikar already angry.
Rise from the Tides implies that Gisa is working in the Nephalia coast and she found new playmatess XD(could also imply that her new playmates are the zombies)
There's no reason to suspect at least two coinciding clarifications of the happenings in the story are totally wrong until something contradicts that, don't you think...
But the people behind the barrier knew.
Of course, Emrakul is in her astral form, so she can be hanging just outside Innistrad.
Exactly. From what it sounds like, Emrakul is looming over the Innistrad-pond, casting a shadow (pardon the pun) and perhaps rippling the surface a little bit. The fact that she's screwing up so much without entering the plane only speaks of how destructive the Eldrazi are supposed to be. Also, it would appear Emrakul + Nahiri is much more powerful than even Kozilek. Jace spent a month on Zendikar, and even managed to withstand Kozilek's full reality distorttion for at least an hour without so much as breaking a sweat. Less than two weeks on a plane Emrakul hasn't even entered, and he's already gone off the deep end.
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A perfectly valid viewpoint, which may be a correct summary. Another possibility, however, is that before Kozilek wasn't really trying much, just going about indifferent to the ants beneath him. With his and Ulamog's demise, Emrakul may be giving us a taste of what happens when an Eldrazi Titan plays for keeps.
Probably written by Krienes. We can't wait!
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Actually, I think Emrakul *is* already there - or at least, as much as she ever needs to be. She's the Object Jace perceives like a blind spot hanging over the Drownyard Temple after he touches the cryptolith. And the key wording in the UR:
"A blind spot, the Object, loomed in his vision, hovering just above the circle of stones in the distance. It pulsed with power, in time with the lustrous web of veins on the monoliths below it. This was the nexus of Innistrad's redirected leylines, the siphoned center of its energy."
'The siphoned centre'. The energy of Innistrad is already being siphoned into the Object, hanging invisible like a blind spot over the Drownyard Temple, right at the hub of Innistrad's redirected leylines. She's feeding, but in her astral form, where she's more like a hole into a different dimension than a tangible physical manifestation. But without touching the cryptolith, Jace couldn't even see her astral form - the sky above the temple seemed empty until then.
On a different note, that fat pack summary actually ties all the strands together really nicely. Nahiri really does want Innistrad dead, doesn't she? And I'm finding it harder to think her the victim of the madness now rather than its orchestrator. Whatever Sorin did at their last meeting must have *really* pissed her off.
And I liked that find about the Mountains of Madness comic cover art on Wikipedia. That's eyes and tentacles all right! So as much as we seem to have pretty well settled on Emrakul being the source/extension of the Object and the focus of the Drownyard Temple, I'd still love it if we found it was an opposing eldritch monstrosity* and that the story of Innistrad is that the planeswalkers have stumbled into the middle of a much larger multiverse-wide conflict between beings infinitely more powerful and incomprehensible than they had ever thought. That would be a truly Lovecraftian revelation. Imagine Jace's reaction if he finds out the Eldrazi were the 'good' guys?! (He gets a new PW card - Jace, Dribbling Lunatic )
*Yeah go on then - it could be Marit Lage
That's a little difficult to say at this point because we don't know how much is Nahiri and how much is (probably) Emrakul.
One way to look at this is how the "Object" influenced Jace into going after Liliana. One thing that Wizards had played down in their first meeting is the fact that Liliana and Jace were in an abusive relationship with Liliana as the abuser (it's referenced in Unwelcome, but from what I read on Tumblr, Liliana did more to Jace that's deserving of more than a little animosity). And now Jace thinks Liliana is the mastermind behind everything wrong with Innistrad even though the majority of it is out of her wheelhouse because Liliana must be the only being capable of mastering zombies.
When I first read the Drownyard Temple, I groaned because we're getting into filler. However, I'm willing to give it a chance for two reasons (and this is getting back to Emrakul and Nahiri).
Emrakul is not creating the situation for betrayal, but amplifying it. The thought slipped to Jace and then Emrakul puts an emphasis on it. This could easily be the case in Nahiri's mind as well regarding Sorin. Emrakul isn't manipulating people by planting ideas in their head, she's amplifying what's already there. Which while is a subtle difference then outright planting ideas, it is probably closer to the more frightening possibility because the whole "it wasn't really brainwashing" aspect that could play out. My go to example here is not H.P. Lovecraft but rather the Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Emrakul is Majora's Mask and Nahiri and Jace are the Skull Kid.
It also gives a sliver of hope for Nahiri to be redeemed from this because she's likely a victim in all this as well.
The second reason that I am willing to give this following plot thread a chance is because if they write it correctly, we could learn a lot about Jace and Liliana. While it wouldn't be relevant to the plot per say, it'd be relevant to the characters, which is ultimately more important.
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Maybe Kozilek and Ulamog's deaths gave their pwoers to Emmrakull because madness is Kozi's area but the timeline seems iffy because i think Nahiri have doing this ebfore the titans deaths.
That's my point. Emrakul's "Astral Form" isn't entirely in the plane. Her hand is just brushing the surface of the pond. The form we saw in Zendikar is what happens when you grab that hand, yank it into the plane, and pin it to the pond bottom with a giant spike. From the Lithomancer story, it sounded like Ulamog only physically entered the plane to finish it off. Previously, he was just running his fingers across the surface in the form of his brood lineage. If I had to guess, Emrakul is doing something similar: Lurking on the surface of the plane, waiting until it's weak enough to warrant entering fully.
Uh...isn't that Jaces 1 through 7?
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That is a shoggoth.
All summarized, I am glad that this time the FP revealed almost nothing.
Is anything confirmed? Yes. Basically, two things. Jace meets Tamiyo (that much we knew), and Sorin indeed unmakes Avacyn. The full art suggested the possibility of Jace and Tamiyo arriving to stop his hand, but now we know that it was the other way around - he arrived to save their backsides and ended her.
What is not confirmed, but bordering on certainty - Nahiri is a perpetrator, not a victim. Forcing Sorin to kill Avacyn served to hurt him greatly, but it is also a part of a greater plan - one the Sorin realizes in the end of the SoI story.
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Some people speculated that Sorin din't kill her or Jace and Tamiyo knew how to heal ehr or something like that. Poor souls thinknig that Avacyn would survive this
The fisherwoman is closer towards the end result. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Eldritch Moon, she morphs into an Eldrazi spawn (if this is indeed Emrakul). Also, part of manipulating people is to convince them that their desires are actually (in his case) Emrakul's desires. Emrakul is working to twist their desires until they match hers. She's not planting seeds, but rather working with what's already there.
There's a huge problem with Emrakul's and Kozilek's power set in that both basically have the same ones. Kozilek can manipulate physics (matter) while Emrakul can manipulate biology (living matter) and gravity (which I think expands her abilities to being able to manipulate all matter). Ulamog was different only in rather than manipulating matter, he just breaks it down to dust, although the fact that he has spawn suggests that he does more than that as well. So we have three different monsters with the same power set applied in two different ways. That's an issue because it implies that from a writing perspective we only ever needed two Eldrazi Titans.
The difference between Kozilek and Emrakul at this point is the execution of the writing of the stories they are/were in.
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I always like unexpected depth/shocking (sensible) revelations in stories. So yeah, finding out that there might be more to the Eldrazi's existence or finding out about a new *side* would be something I could dig. Like I said before, the details thus far are on point enough AND vague enough to apply to Emrakul or something else.
Like the wise man said, 'There's always a bigger fish.'
I Do also think it could be something else than Emrakul. In the recent articel (The Drownyard Temple) it is described that the thing above Innistrad is influenzing the tides (so the gravity) on the plane. That wasn't described when the Titans were about Zendikar.
But that was when they already where on Zendikar not in the multiverse above.
The effects would remain the same. Her ability to alter gravity wouldnt only be applicable when she was manifested in physical form, she can still maintain her key abilities, I would assume.
There isnt really enough information to infer either to be true, though. Not yet, anyways; only speculation. The conclusions drawn with what info we have can be split both ways, really.
On the one hand, this seems nearly undeniably her. Possibly she's more intelligent than the others because she's had more to eat and is no longer starving, or possibly Wizards has realized that they screwed up by implying all along that the Eldrazi were intelligent but having them appear as nothing more than wandering hungering forces of nature. Like, the way Kozilek and Ulamog were shown never really tracked with Kozilek's ability to drive people insane or convert them to his side as happened to Tazri in that one Uncharted Realms.
Anyway, I wonder if Emrakul wills show up at all, since one of the throw away lines in the last Uncharted Realms was specifically "the object was gone." We might never actually find out what was being summoned if she's truly gone. She showed up, drove people nuts, ate a bunch of the plane, and then vanished.
I've been saying all along that I think there will be zero cards with the creature type eldrazi in Eldritch Moon, including Emrakul heritself. Part of the trap that Sorin, Nahiri, and Ugin built on Zendikar was that it created physical bodies that could be trapped. Unless the same enchantments are put into place on Innistrad, Emrakul will remain in her normal astral state and thus not get a card.
Really appreciate that link, although sadly it confirms my fears: there really doesn't seem to be any plan to utilize Arlinn in the SOI story. I mean really? Not even a walker entry in the fat pack book? Come on Wizards. You have a mature, powerful female character who likely would serve as a better asset in a fight against....whatever is coming than Jace or Tamiyo. I feel like as a werewolf fan that even when we win, we don't win. Each tribe in SOI gets a fun new way to play (okay, not zombies. They more or less always play the same), except werewolves. And we still don't have a legend. And Arlinn gets no story love at all outside of the very first story.
Please Wizards, let Eldritch Moon be the werewolf set. Please, please, pleeeeeaaaaassssseeeeee
EDH - Yes, Each One is Named After a Song. I love tying music to my decks.
B Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief B - Fear of the Dark
WG Sigarda, Heron's Grace WG - Strength in Numbers
RG Xenagos, God of Revels RG - Fullmoon (It's werewolves)
RW Archangel Avacyn // Avacyn, the Purifier RW - The End is Nigh
60 Card Kitchen Table Decks
WUB Avacyn, Spirit Ferrier
RG Arlinn Kord's Howlpack
I'm also glad that they didn't retcon Nahiri into having left Zendikar already angry.
Thanx to Bookworm10 for the Sig.
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