So Ulamog corrupts body and everything physical it seems. Kozilek corrupts mind, soul, and all that jazz. What does good, ol', Emrakul corrupt?
I'm don't think they've ever stated it, but I was under the impression Emrakul corrupts nonliving concepts, such as gravity
In the PW guide to BFZ it's stated that Emrakul actually only affects living things. Lifeless things like water or stone are unaffected, but anything living (plants, animals) becomes corrupted (we don't really know how bit it kind of sounds like she mutates stuff) This would seem to contradict cards like Gravitational Shift, but I actually don't think it does. The corruption of living matter is what Emrakul does, the twisting of reality, gravity, and time is just the affect that Emrakul's presence has on planes
I wouldn't completely rule it out though - they didn't specify how Emrakul corrupts the living. Ulamog apparently does it by turning the physical body to dust, Kozilek by twisting the mind of the living. I won't be surprised if Emrakul still manipulates the effect of such concepts on the living (For example, Gravitional Shift doesn't cause mountains to flatten under gravity but will flatten a dragon). Perhaps the term "nonliving concepts" wasn't right - gravity is as lifeless as water and stone, but let's just say concepts lack a physical existence and are... abstract. Emrakul doesn't affect those abstracts - Emrakul is the twisted abstract itself.
i wonder if the fate of Kiora is to be mind-controlled by Kozilek and made a sort of minion for the Eldrazi, seeking worlds rich in mana for the Eldrazi to devour.
much like Norin Radd became the herald for Galactus with similar function.
I would enjoy really much a planeswalker heralding the Eldrazi. It could serve even as a plot device: the simple presence of this planeswalker would be a terrible omen and could be used to showcase the influence of the Eldrazi more subtly.
I don't think Kiora would fit this function, though. A new planeswalker would be better, maybe some of the crazed followers of the Eldrazi who still believe they are gods. But it would be weird for Zendikar to have its third native planeswalker in recent history, as they are supposed to be extremely rare.
does it still work like Doug explained once upon a time and Kiora just created Lorthos-ness from mana?
The rules of summoning are officially undefined because any explanation will raise too many questions or cause too many contradictions.
If they are on a different plane, then planeswalkers could probably use mana to create a semblance of the creature they wanted if it wasn't available. But they could also call out to other creatures on that plane and have the existing creatures attend them. Normally, it would be easier to just call the creatures to them, but if they want something specific, then they use mana to create it.
The key difference in this story is between the words called and summoned. Using the bident, Kiora amplified her own power and called out to the various sea monsters, and they came to her. But she summoned Lorthos directly to her, transporting him from where he was. That would normally be beyond her powers as a planewalker, but the bident amplified her existing powers.
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does it still work like Doug explained once upon a time and Kiora just created Lorthos-ness from mana?
The rules of summoning are officially undefined because any explanation will raise too many questions or cause too many contradictions.
If they are on a different plane, then planeswalkers could probably use mana to create a semblance of the creature they wanted if it wasn't available. But they could also call out to other creatures on that plane and have the existing creatures attend them. Normally, it would be easier to just call the creatures to them, but if they want something specific, then they use mana to create it.
The key difference in this story is between the words called and summoned. Using the bident, Kiora amplified her own power and called out to the various sea monsters, and they came to her. But she summoned Lorthos directly to her, transporting him from where he was. That would normally be beyond her powers as a planewalker, but the bident amplified her existing powers.
Exactly. We saw Kiora "call" AND "summon" creatures to her on Theros. There, she summoned krakens she collected from other worlds, and called (directly from the ocean floor, in close proximity to them) Theros krakens as allies. Meanwhile, Thassa used the Bident to call krakens from all over Theros in her battle as well ("the sea boiled, and krakens propelled from all over Theros answered Thassa's call") which Kiora ended up doing with the Bident on Zendikar, to call Lorthos, effectively transporting him from Murasa to Tazeem. Because he was already a native of the plane, her amplified powers allowed her to finally do that. She wouldn't have had the power to without the Bident. To further demonstrate this, Kiora had to be within a few hundred yards of Arixmethes to attempt forming a bond with him, and still failed to do so presumably against the powers of the Bident, then owned by Thassa.
Which means that creative has possibly reversed its position on summoning. I believe Doug mentioned that they felt it would be "sadistic" to physically summon creatures to fight.
Which means that creative has possibly reversed its position on summoning. I believe Doug mentioned that they felt it would be "sadistic" to physically summon creatures to fight.
Well, we have Liliana and the ghoulcallers and stitchers creating zombies out of deceased inhabitants of Innistrad. That's quite morbid (pardon the pun) in and of itself. I think that's worse than the idea of summoning a creature to fight for you.
And there is also the concept of the graveyard in the game. There's a bit of sadism built into the very structure of the game.
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Which means that creative has possibly reversed its position on summoning. I believe Doug mentioned that they felt it would be "sadistic" to physically summon creatures to fight.
Well, we have Liliana and the ghoulcallers and stitchers creating zombies out of deceased inhabitants of Innistrad. That's quite morbid (pardon the pun) in and of itself. I think that's worse than the idea of summoning a creature to fight for you.
I could see that from a Green point of view, but I don't think Black and its allies (and possibly White) would agree. The worst thing that could happen to the summoned Zombie would be returning to its previously dead state, so it is not that different from just protecting yourself with a rock or a tree. Summoned Friends and local Fauna could easily result in their deaths, and just because a creature decided to "bond" with you, it probably doesn't mean that they would like to become your meatshields any time, regardless of your cause or chances of success.
Well, we have Liliana and the ghoulcallers and stitchers creating zombies out of deceased inhabitants of Innistrad. That's quite morbid (pardon the pun) in and of itself. I think that's worse than the idea of summoning a creature to fight for you.
Those aren't the good guys though.
Their worry was that it would seem like horribly cruelty on the part of the heroes to summon a creature (or potentially a sentient being) and force it to kill and die for them. You'll notice that in the stories the walkers very rarely summon creatures, probably to avoid exactly these sorts of questions. I can't think of anyone except Kiora and Nissa who have done so recently and even then Kiora works with monstrous things (for which we have little sympathy) and Nissa's elementals aren't exactly alive.
I think Nissa gets a pass, at least in this specific instance, because she's bonded with the soul of Zendikar. The elementals are made out of the wood and stone of the plane and animated by the plane's mana, and the plane instinctively trusts her and views her as sharing a common goal.
Kiora does seem to use some sort of mind-magic to order around her sea creatures.
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She summoned, and he came! Kiora would have laughed, if it had been a little less terrifying.
The great bulk moved, rotated, a whole landscape of barnacles and scars and heaving, rubbery flesh flashing by beside them. It was dizzying, like flying. At length, an enormous beak rolled into view, a maw that could swallow a whale without chewing.
Wait! sent Kiora, holding out the bident once more. She channeled the thought through the bident, but it wasn't a command, not like when she demanded that her lesser sea beasts obey her. It was a plea. There are interlopers in your sea, great one. Will you fight them with me?
The beak opened and closed and opened again, but the great octopus did not swallow her whole.
It would seem that unlike the card game, "summoning" is essentially glorified teleportation, and the summoner still has to take additional actions to command the creature.
Kiora being eldrazi-fied isn't too impossible I think. Hubris is what made her, as well as befell her.
She's too proud of herself, and it makes me think that her pride would compel her to side with the Eldrazi. Her giving in to the "Gods" would at least allow her to keep her hubris.
Which means that creative has possibly reversed its position on summoning. I believe Doug mentioned that they felt it would be "sadistic" to physically summon creatures to fight.
Well, we have Liliana and the ghoulcallers and stitchers creating zombies out of deceased inhabitants of Innistrad. That's quite morbid (pardon the pun) in and of itself. I think that's worse than the idea of summoning a creature to fight for you.
And there is also the concept of the graveyard in the game. There's a bit of sadism built into the very structure of the game.
Think about it like this - you have all that going to waste because no one's using it and the deceased's family probably wouldn't even notice so long as you put all the dirt back in place after you were done. The bits used for zombies. May as well find something useful for them, right?
Have the URs explained why Bolas wanted the eldrazis released? And where is he while all this is happening.
Nope just a grand scheme handwave, that they probably hadn't figured out at the time. I would imagine it's a distraction while he is working on attaining pre-mending power.
Have the URs explained why Bolas wanted the eldrazis released? And where is he while all this is happening.
Nope just a grand scheme handwave, that they probably hadn't figured out at the time. I would imagine it's a distraction while he is working on attaining pre-mending power.
Distraction to who? The only one capable of taking on Bolas that we know of is Ugin and he was dead at the time. Jace and his gang might as well be flies to him, plus none of them could could hope to keep tabs on Bolas, let alone stand against him.
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EPISODE 03: RECLAMATION
Their entire continent decimated by the Eldrazi, the Mul Daya elves Mina and Denn are haunted by the loss of their home. Struggling to find a new place somewhere in the embattled wilds, the two journey to seek assistance from the Zendikar's remaining elves. But in their search for aid, they find that their enemies too have changed in strange and terrible new ways.
Distraction to who? The only one capable of taking on Bolas that we know of is Ugin and he was dead at the time. Jace and his gang might as well be flies to him, plus none of them could could hope to keep tabs on Bolas, let alone stand against him.
They might be flies to him but they are still pieces on a chess board that he has to account for. Planeswalkers are difficult to keep track of, this is fact. Bolas is powerful but he is not all powerful, that's what he is trying to attain. So if pesky flies are bothering you, you put up a fly trap. Or release a few titans...
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I wouldn't completely rule it out though - they didn't specify how Emrakul corrupts the living. Ulamog apparently does it by turning the physical body to dust, Kozilek by twisting the mind of the living. I won't be surprised if Emrakul still manipulates the effect of such concepts on the living (For example, Gravitional Shift doesn't cause mountains to flatten under gravity but will flatten a dragon). Perhaps the term "nonliving concepts" wasn't right - gravity is as lifeless as water and stone, but let's just say concepts lack a physical existence and are... abstract. Emrakul doesn't affect those abstracts - Emrakul is the twisted abstract itself.
I would enjoy really much a planeswalker heralding the Eldrazi. It could serve even as a plot device: the simple presence of this planeswalker would be a terrible omen and could be used to showcase the influence of the Eldrazi more subtly.
I don't think Kiora would fit this function, though. A new planeswalker would be better, maybe some of the crazed followers of the Eldrazi who still believe they are gods. But it would be weird for Zendikar to have its third native planeswalker in recent history, as they are supposed to be extremely rare.
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
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If they are on a different plane, then planeswalkers could probably use mana to create a semblance of the creature they wanted if it wasn't available. But they could also call out to other creatures on that plane and have the existing creatures attend them. Normally, it would be easier to just call the creatures to them, but if they want something specific, then they use mana to create it.
The key difference in this story is between the words called and summoned. Using the bident, Kiora amplified her own power and called out to the various sea monsters, and they came to her. But she summoned Lorthos directly to her, transporting him from where he was. That would normally be beyond her powers as a planewalker, but the bident amplified her existing powers.
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Exactly. We saw Kiora "call" AND "summon" creatures to her on Theros. There, she summoned krakens she collected from other worlds, and called (directly from the ocean floor, in close proximity to them) Theros krakens as allies. Meanwhile, Thassa used the Bident to call krakens from all over Theros in her battle as well ("the sea boiled, and krakens propelled from all over Theros answered Thassa's call") which Kiora ended up doing with the Bident on Zendikar, to call Lorthos, effectively transporting him from Murasa to Tazeem. Because he was already a native of the plane, her amplified powers allowed her to finally do that. She wouldn't have had the power to without the Bident. To further demonstrate this, Kiora had to be within a few hundred yards of Arixmethes to attempt forming a bond with him, and still failed to do so presumably against the powers of the Bident, then owned by Thassa.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Well, we have Liliana and the ghoulcallers and stitchers creating zombies out of deceased inhabitants of Innistrad. That's quite morbid (pardon the pun) in and of itself. I think that's worse than the idea of summoning a creature to fight for you.
And there is also the concept of the graveyard in the game. There's a bit of sadism built into the very structure of the game.
The world is on fire
and you are here to stay and burn with me.
I could see that from a Green point of view, but I don't think Black and its allies (and possibly White) would agree. The worst thing that could happen to the summoned Zombie would be returning to its previously dead state, so it is not that different from just protecting yourself with a rock or a tree. Summoned Friends and local Fauna could easily result in their deaths, and just because a creature decided to "bond" with you, it probably doesn't mean that they would like to become your meatshields any time, regardless of your cause or chances of success.
They already covered this trope in Time Spiral. They left Dominaria trying to rebuild itself after all of the temporal disasters.
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Those aren't the good guys though.
Their worry was that it would seem like horribly cruelty on the part of the heroes to summon a creature (or potentially a sentient being) and force it to kill and die for them. You'll notice that in the stories the walkers very rarely summon creatures, probably to avoid exactly these sorts of questions. I can't think of anyone except Kiora and Nissa who have done so recently and even then Kiora works with monstrous things (for which we have little sympathy) and Nissa's elementals aren't exactly alive.
Kiora does seem to use some sort of mind-magic to order around her sea creatures.
It would seem that unlike the card game, "summoning" is essentially glorified teleportation, and the summoner still has to take additional actions to command the creature.
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She's too proud of herself, and it makes me think that her pride would compel her to side with the Eldrazi. Her giving in to the "Gods" would at least allow her to keep her hubris.
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Think about it like this - you have all that going to waste because no one's using it and the deceased's family probably wouldn't even notice so long as you put all the dirt back in place after you were done. The bits used for zombies. May as well find something useful for them, right?
Nope just a grand scheme handwave, that they probably hadn't figured out at the time. I would imagine it's a distraction while he is working on attaining pre-mending power.
Distraction to who? The only one capable of taking on Bolas that we know of is Ugin and he was dead at the time. Jace and his gang might as well be flies to him, plus none of them could could hope to keep tabs on Bolas, let alone stand against him.
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EPISODE 03: RECLAMATION
Their entire continent decimated by the Eldrazi, the Mul Daya elves Mina and Denn are haunted by the loss of their home. Struggling to find a new place somewhere in the embattled wilds, the two journey to seek assistance from the Zendikar's remaining elves. But in their search for aid, they find that their enemies too have changed in strange and terrible new ways.
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They might be flies to him but they are still pieces on a chess board that he has to account for. Planeswalkers are difficult to keep track of, this is fact. Bolas is powerful but he is not all powerful, that's what he is trying to attain. So if pesky flies are bothering you, you put up a fly trap. Or release a few titans...