It's just seems to me that Daretti fits more into a blue planeswalker rather than a red one. He's extremely intelligent able to make it pretty far on Fiora. Even his card is all about creation (albeit in another matter) and seems to require more thought than befits the impulses of red. I'm just having a hard time seeing the red in him beyond the fact that he is a goblin.
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While I do feel like given any other placement than a Commander product whose theme was monocolored commanders he would have been UR, his first two abilities are definitely primarily red, defined by impulsiveness, throwing something away before being sure about what you're getting in return. We don't really know much about his character. I think calling him the Scrap Savant was an interesting choice of words besides the alliteration, since it implies something like "idiot savant". While Daretti might not be stupid, I think the flavor intention might be more that he doesn't really have a method to his madness and just throws stuff at stuff until stuff happens, and when it does it's always a brilliant creation in the end.
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They didn't care that he was the savior of Fort Keff, the great hunter of Ondu, the champion of Kabira. To them, he was just another piece of flesh, a thing with life to be drained away.
Blue does not have a monopoly on intelligent characters. For starters goblins are red. The use of Savant implies that he is unnaturally gifted at a single thing even at the sacrifice of some or even all other higher level faculties. The little bit of info we have describes him as having uncommon intellect talent and ambition but we don't really know how far that extends. Talking to him about anything other than artifice could very well be a complete waste of someone's time. I don't really think there's any reason for him to be blue.
Red in Commander 2014 seemed to me to show off their share of the color pie outside of just impulsiveness, with Daretti as no excpetion. Just as Feldon was meant to show love and passion, I think Daretti was meant to show ingenuity and creation. Like others have stated, that is done somewhat impulsively, and results don't matter as much as the perfection blue seeks, but the element of creativity for Daretti solidifies his character as red, I feel. Aleo, doesn't hurt that he's a goblin who likes artifacts, so red for that alone.
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I always figured Daretti doesn't build stuff because he desires knowledge, progress or perfection, he just really likes building stuff. And when he has build a thing, he probably takes it apart the next day to build another cool thing
I like this interpretation, he's so passionate about artifice that he is constantly taking apart his old junk to put together new things.
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They didn't care that he was the savior of Fort Keff, the great hunter of Ondu, the champion of Kabira. To them, he was just another piece of flesh, a thing with life to be drained away.
He might enjoy building things as a form of artistic expression rather than "Look how smart I am" or whatever other things fuel an artificer (money, improvement, etc)
Not all forms of intelligence is blue and not everything red is dumb, reckless and impulsive. It's simple as that.
Blue's intelligence is more about gathering knowledge and rationalizing solutions. Red's intelligence is more about thinking outside the box and trying new things until one works out.
Which kind of intelligence the Scrap Savant is known for ?
It's just seems to me that Daretti fits more into a blue planeswalker rather than a red one. He's extremely intelligent able to make it pretty far on Fiora. Even his card is all about creation (albeit in another matter) and seems to require more thought than befits the impulses of red. I'm just having a hard time seeing the red in him beyond the fact that he is a goblin.
Blue wants to achieve perfection through knowledge.
Red wants to achieve freedom through action.
While using knowledge certainly goes very well with intelligence, it is not a prerequisite to not be intelligent to work through action. His backstory implies that Daretti wath very driven and probably less of an universal genious than someone who cared very much about artifice - succeeding through talent and ambition as well as intelligence. And the fact that he nearly died due to his work shows that his artifice maybe is not deliberate and cautious as a blue character would set it up, but sometimes quite dangerous - possibly due to being reckless in that experiment.
Daretti's ambition also is upsetting the people around him earning him disdain for his success. In a way he is using his specific skill set and capabilities to rise in the ranks of artifice and frees from the shackles of society to do so. We don't know how exactly he feels about this all, but it's easy to imagine Daretti as someone who does not care about the opinion of the mage elitists around him and their irritation because he is so focussed on doing what he loves. He is risking quite a lot by doing so considering the nature of Fioran politics and scheming. His lore indicates that if his reckless experiments hadn't gotten to him first, Daretti was still on a path to fall to the plotting of his peers - because he acted as he pleased rather than how he was expected, it seems.
There are only two paragraphs of lore I work with on this topic, but they do point towards a character who is well described as a savant that is really talented and focussed, but does tend to act on their whims rather than think it through and study - even if Daretti's intelligent enough to maneuver Fiora's upper class, so he is doing so as an end to his means: Acting on his impulse, expanding on his gift, striving for his dream.
We don't even know that his dream even involves reaching perfection as much as gaining recognition or at least affirmation. And we don't know how much of his tinkering is guided by book knowledge and how much is intuition, but we see his glee when he is sifting through junk for spare parts and finding inspration from it.
I think Daretti can be read as an intelligent red character. I don't see why I would need a talented artificer to be blue any more than a talented necromancer. On the other hand blue is the obvious candidate for his second color should he ever get one.
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I like this interpretation, he's so passionate about artifice that he is constantly taking apart his old junk to put together new things.
But the people behind the barrier knew.
He might enjoy building things as a form of artistic expression rather than "Look how smart I am" or whatever other things fuel an artificer (money, improvement, etc)
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Not all forms of intelligence is blue and not everything red is dumb, reckless and impulsive. It's simple as that.
Blue's intelligence is more about gathering knowledge and rationalizing solutions. Red's intelligence is more about thinking outside the box and trying new things until one works out.
Which kind of intelligence the Scrap Savant is known for ?
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Blue wants to achieve perfection through knowledge.
Red wants to achieve freedom through action.
While using knowledge certainly goes very well with intelligence, it is not a prerequisite to not be intelligent to work through action. His backstory implies that Daretti wath very driven and probably less of an universal genious than someone who cared very much about artifice - succeeding through talent and ambition as well as intelligence. And the fact that he nearly died due to his work shows that his artifice maybe is not deliberate and cautious as a blue character would set it up, but sometimes quite dangerous - possibly due to being reckless in that experiment.
Daretti's ambition also is upsetting the people around him earning him disdain for his success. In a way he is using his specific skill set and capabilities to rise in the ranks of artifice and frees from the shackles of society to do so. We don't know how exactly he feels about this all, but it's easy to imagine Daretti as someone who does not care about the opinion of the mage elitists around him and their irritation because he is so focussed on doing what he loves. He is risking quite a lot by doing so considering the nature of Fioran politics and scheming. His lore indicates that if his reckless experiments hadn't gotten to him first, Daretti was still on a path to fall to the plotting of his peers - because he acted as he pleased rather than how he was expected, it seems.
There are only two paragraphs of lore I work with on this topic, but they do point towards a character who is well described as a savant that is really talented and focussed, but does tend to act on their whims rather than think it through and study - even if Daretti's intelligent enough to maneuver Fiora's upper class, so he is doing so as an end to his means: Acting on his impulse, expanding on his gift, striving for his dream.
We don't even know that his dream even involves reaching perfection as much as gaining recognition or at least affirmation. And we don't know how much of his tinkering is guided by book knowledge and how much is intuition, but we see his glee when he is sifting through junk for spare parts and finding inspration from it.
I think Daretti can be read as an intelligent red character. I don't see why I would need a talented artificer to be blue any more than a talented necromancer. On the other hand blue is the obvious candidate for his second color should he ever get one.
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