Sorin vampirizing Nahiri is the most likely scenario. But keep in mind, we don't actually know how long Kor live. They could be an elf-like race, and live to be hundreds of years old. So, my completely off the wall theory is that Nahiri eventually wanted the Eldrazi off of Zendikar. Sorin knew this and, instead of letting her undo the hedrons, intervened. He got her to another plane and somehow took her spark away. This would mean she couldn't go back to Zendikar and undo their work, but she could still be alive due to her race's particulars. Like I said, very off the wall, but the only thing that kinda makes sense as opposed to vampirism.
You can't just take away someone's spark trivially. It takes either planet-sized machinery (Memnarch's spark transfer device) or soul-corrupting artifice (the Chain Veil). I don't think Sorin did anything like that. Making her a vampire? I think that's what they're hinting (though I sincerely hope that's not the route they go).
Like I said, COMPLETELY off the wall. I do think Wizards is going the vampirism route. Hopefully she'll be another RW, maybe BR walker. Don't need another BW vamp.
I would be surprised if they made her a vampire, mostly because it dilutes both Sorin's identity as the vampire planeswalker and her identity as the kor planeswalker. In general, for races other than human, they seem hesitant to make more than one planeswalker since their race is often the major identifier for them. One Kor, one vampire, one goblin (card), one leonin, two elves (although Freyalise seems unlikely to make a reappearance in canon), and two dragons.
I would be surprised if they made her a vampire, mostly because it dilutes both Sorin's identity as the vampire planeswalker and her identity as the kor planeswalker. In general, for races other than human, they seem hesitant to make more than one planeswalker since their race is often the major identifier for them. One Kor, one vampire, one goblin (card), one leonin, two elves (although Freyalise seems unlikely to make a reappearance in canon), and two dragons.
I don't think that's a problem, as long as they keep Sorin and Nahiri distinct enough. Having Nahiri be a reluctant vampire that fights against her vampiric needs should be enough to keep her out of black and different enough from Sorin.
The point is more that Sorin would no longer be "the vampire planeswalker" and I think WotC likes having their characters be easily identified in that way. I might be wrong in this assumption, but I think there are significantly more ways for Sorin to have angered Nahiri than turning her in to a vampire, and a similar number of options for her to have achieved an extended lifespan. I'm not even sure she needs one, as I don't believe we've gotten a good hold on how long ago the Mending was.
The point is more that Sorin would no longer be "the vampire planeswalker" and I think WotC likes having their characters be easily identified in that way. I might be wrong in this assumption, but I think there are significantly more ways for Sorin to have angered Nahiri than turning her in to a vampire, and a similar number of options for her to have achieved an extended lifespan. I'm not even sure she needs one, as I don't believe we've gotten a good hold on how long ago the Mending was.
Dosn't matter if the Mending was only a couple of years before the storyline Nahiri would be 6040+ years old in the present and we know that the oldwalkers ages caught up with them, which why Liliana made her deals with the demon and Bolas involment in Alara.
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Is there a story somewhere that goes over all of that? I mostly understand the mechanics of the Mending, but I didn't realize it caused their age to catch up to them. I just figured Bolas wanted oldwalker style power again, and Liliana was terrified of being mortal at all.
Is there a story somewhere that goes over all of that? I mostly understand the mechanics of the Mending, but I didn't realize it caused their age to catch up to them. I just figured Bolas wanted oldwalker style power again, and Liliana was terrified of being mortal at all.
Bolas was feeling old, his joints creaked, he was tired, I think he even flat out said his age was catching up with him for cheating it all this time, will have to look back at Alara Unbroken to see exact words, but yes time didn't simply go "hey your mortal again have fun." It was "hey I forgot you exist, but i remember now, so I'm going to take what I'm owed"
No story I just know that one of Lilians deals with the demons was for enternal youth since she her age started catching up with her. If you want more info I'd suggest asking Barinellos.
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Quick thought: Maybe white magic can extend lifespans. Maybe healing magic can heal the damage that we call aging. Liliana needed to make a pact with demons, but she uses black mana exclusively, so she wouldn't have access to white healing magic. I know Nahiri is a lithomancer, but there is no reason she couldn't learn other white spells.
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For the people concerned with there being two vampire planeswalkers, it's simiple to solve that. Have Nahiri get killed at the end of the block, as it's probably something she wants, if she was unwillingly turned. There's no need for there to be two vampire planeswalkers going forward. Sometimes, planeswalkers should be one offs, and not reappear. Are we going to hear from Xenagos again?
Anyway, I'd expect that two vampire planeswalkers have more in common and more reasons to hang out than a vamprie and a kor.
For the people concerned with there being two vampire planeswalkers, it's simiple to solve that. Have Nahiri get killed at the end of the block, as it's probably something she wants, if she was unwillingly turned. There's no need for there to be two vampire planeswalkers going forward. Sometimes, planeswalkers should be one offs, and not reappear. Are we going to hear from Xenagos again?
That's just silly. So they make her a vampire but then kill her because they don't want two vampires? Plus Nahiri knows she is important for the multiverse and won't just let herself get killed because she has to wear black now.
I really don't see any problem with having two vampire planeswalkers especially since Nahiri and Sorin are so dissimilar anyway. Wizards would really be shooting themselves in the foot if they refuse to do multiple planeswalkers of the same non-human race.
For the people concerned with there being two vampire planeswalkers, it's simiple to solve that. Have Nahiri get killed at the end of the block, as it's probably something she wants, if she was unwillingly turned. There's no need for there to be two vampire planeswalkers going forward. Sometimes, planeswalkers should be one offs, and not reappear. Are we going to hear from Xenagos again?
That's just silly. So they make her a vampire but then kill her because they don't want two vampires? Plus Nahiri knows she is important for the multiverse and won't just let herself get killed because she has to wear black now.
I really don't see any problem with having two vampire planeswalkers especially since Nahiri and Sorin are so dissimilar anyway. Wizards would really be shooting themselves in the foot if they refuse to do multiple planeswalkers of the same non-human race.
Well, the problem is not only that both would be vampires, but both would also be white-black. They really established Sorin to have a white-splash and I don't see Nahiri losing her white, just because she is vampirized. Additionally, if Sorin truly turned her, then she'd also be an Innistrad-style vampire, with the yellow irises and everything. If the only distinguishing feature between two planeswalkers is the gender and some backstory (and even the backstory is somewhat similar with both being part of the Eldrazi trio) then it may be a better idea to go a different route.
Now, lets not just assume that as a vamp Nahiri would have to be black. While there are no naturally mono white vamps (Repentant Vampire turns mono white when he hits threshold, and is also Angel from Buffy), we've seen mono red vamps, from Innistrad no less, so the connection is there. She could react with rage to the turning, or even pure bloodlust, and go R/W or even mono red (and Red is capable of lithomancy, see Koth). Its also possible, though unlikely, that she could mono white, as her personality might be strong enough to let her successfully struggle against her new nature, getting her blood from animals, secluding herself from those she may harm, etc.
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I maintain that Nahiri being vampirized doesn't fit the way that WotC tells their stories and builds their brand. I'm actually not sure why people want her to be a vampire so much. It seems likely to me that they'll use some heretofore unstated way to extend her life, since all of the oldwalkers we've met have been unique in their methods.
I'm actually not sure why people want her to be a vampire so much.
It's more pure deduction than wishful thinking, really. The only thing we know about Nahiri's fate is that Sorin knows, and he feels somewhat guilty about that. So people tend to guess it's something he did to her.
No. It isn't. There are Many things he might have done to her to make him feel guilty. There are many reasons Wizards could come up with. Positing Nahiri as being vampirized by Sorin as the only logical option is the worst kind of speculating (no offence) as there are so many unknowns still.
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Koth is a geomancer, not a lithomancer. He works with similar materials, but it's (kinda) like saying someone who hunts and someone who cooks meat are doing the same job. Koth works with earth and rock, but doesn't shape it into metals or blades (or shapes it at all), like Nahiri does. He can purify and smelt metal, though. (Emphasis on smelt because you can smelt something without shaping it.)
This is all based on what we already know, so, maybe, if we see Koth again he might have learned some new tricks.
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Koth is a geomancer, not a lithomancer. He works with similar materials, but it's (kinda) like saying someone who hunts and someone who cooks meat are doing the same job. Koth works with earth and rock, but doesn't shape it into metals or blades (or shapes it at all), like Nahiri does. He can purify and smelt metal, though. (Emphasis on smelt because you can smelt something without shaping it.)
This is all based on what we already know, so, maybe, if we see Koth again he might have learned some new tricks.
Do we really know that many specifics about the differences between geomancy and lithomancy in context? I'd personally thought of geomancy to be a very broad category and that "lithomancy" would probably fall under it rather than be a totally different category. Not saying that Koth can do the same sort of magic since his kind of geomancy is probabaly just be a different kind than Nahiri's, but I don't know if there's any confirmation or anything specifically showing that the two are totally seperate things. I think it'd probably be more correct to say that there's no indication Koth has the same capacity for Nahiri's specific kind of geomancy which also still sounds kind of incorrect since it makes a lot of assumptions, mostly that there is a strict definition in universe of what geomancy entails which I don't think there really is. (Coincidentally, didn't the Vulshok (and obviously Auriok) have an association with equipment? I don't think that's related though, and again Koth hasn't shown any capacity on his planeswalker card.)
I also agree that I don't think there's enough information at all to think that the most logical conclusion at the moment about Sorin's guilt involving Nahiri is related to him vampirizing her. If not for it being very strange to so strongly emphasize that it was something he and he alone should be feel guilty about, I'd have assumed it was related to his and Nissa's unleashing the Eldrazi on her home plane, maybe under the incorrect assumption that Ugin and Sorin had reunited to release the lock in the Eye and then proceeded to let them run rampant, which would be reason for her to come after them (which wouldn't explain how she would still be alive but would be a reasonable assumption for motivation to attack Ugin and for Sorin to have some regret). But that's probably not it, again because of the especial emphasis on it being something Sorin feels like is entirely his fault and nobody else's. But I don't know the specifics on story of the Zendikar novel and his relations with Nissa.
In the end there's just not enough information to go off of to make ANY assumption right now, and I definitely don't think there's enough to think Sorin turned her into a vampire which seems like a bit of a leap of logic to me. I also agree with the notion that Wizards would like Planeswalkers to have easy to grasp identities and that having another vampire planeswalker would dilute that. I also personally like being able to identify characters as "the vampire planeswalker", "the Izzet planeswalker", etc.
They didn't care that he was the savior of Fort Keff, the great hunter of Ondu, the champion of Kabira. To them, he was just another piece of flesh, a thing with life to be drained away.
I believe that Doug at some point, somewhere on his Tumblr, did answer a question regarding the difference between geomancy and lithomancy and, if I remember correctly, it may support Dragon Tech's claims.
My theory, silly as it may be, is that Sorin needed someone to watch over Innistrad and decided to use Nahiri for that purpose, turning her into Avacyn. Similar appearances (both all pale and stuff), both mono-white in game terms. I'm not sure the exact time frame, but Avacyn has been around centuries at least so that could work. Finally ...hedrons and the Helvault are pretty similar in functions...maybe the helvault is just a corrupted thing that avacyn/nahiri once knew
Pretty slim chance of being right, but it would be more interesting than vampire Nahiri
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Dosn't matter if the Mending was only a couple of years before the storyline Nahiri would be 6040+ years old in the present and we know that the oldwalkers ages caught up with them, which why Liliana made her deals with the demon and Bolas involment in Alara.
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Bolas was feeling old, his joints creaked, he was tired, I think he even flat out said his age was catching up with him for cheating it all this time, will have to look back at Alara Unbroken to see exact words, but yes time didn't simply go "hey your mortal again have fun." It was "hey I forgot you exist, but i remember now, so I'm going to take what I'm owed"
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I began to afraid that WotC may let Nahiri successfully kill Sorrin, and replace him become a BW vamp walker.
Though that does contradict Shards assertion that it had been closer to a century. <_<
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Anyway, I'd expect that two vampire planeswalkers have more in common and more reasons to hang out than a vamprie and a kor.
I really don't see any problem with having two vampire planeswalkers especially since Nahiri and Sorin are so dissimilar anyway. Wizards would really be shooting themselves in the foot if they refuse to do multiple planeswalkers of the same non-human race.
Well, the problem is not only that both would be vampires, but both would also be white-black. They really established Sorin to have a white-splash and I don't see Nahiri losing her white, just because she is vampirized. Additionally, if Sorin truly turned her, then she'd also be an Innistrad-style vampire, with the yellow irises and everything. If the only distinguishing feature between two planeswalkers is the gender and some backstory (and even the backstory is somewhat similar with both being part of the Eldrazi trio) then it may be a better idea to go a different route.
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It's more pure deduction than wishful thinking, really. The only thing we know about Nahiri's fate is that Sorin knows, and he feels somewhat guilty about that. So people tend to guess it's something he did to her.
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Koth is a geomancer, not a lithomancer. He works with similar materials, but it's (kinda) like saying someone who hunts and someone who cooks meat are doing the same job. Koth works with earth and rock, but doesn't shape it into metals or blades (or shapes it at all), like Nahiri does. He can purify and smelt metal, though. (Emphasis on smelt because you can smelt something without shaping it.)
This is all based on what we already know, so, maybe, if we see Koth again he might have learned some new tricks.
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Do we really know that many specifics about the differences between geomancy and lithomancy in context? I'd personally thought of geomancy to be a very broad category and that "lithomancy" would probably fall under it rather than be a totally different category. Not saying that Koth can do the same sort of magic since his kind of geomancy is probabaly just be a different kind than Nahiri's, but I don't know if there's any confirmation or anything specifically showing that the two are totally seperate things. I think it'd probably be more correct to say that there's no indication Koth has the same capacity for Nahiri's specific kind of geomancy which also still sounds kind of incorrect since it makes a lot of assumptions, mostly that there is a strict definition in universe of what geomancy entails which I don't think there really is. (Coincidentally, didn't the Vulshok (and obviously Auriok) have an association with equipment? I don't think that's related though, and again Koth hasn't shown any capacity on his planeswalker card.)
I also agree that I don't think there's enough information at all to think that the most logical conclusion at the moment about Sorin's guilt involving Nahiri is related to him vampirizing her. If not for it being very strange to so strongly emphasize that it was something he and he alone should be feel guilty about, I'd have assumed it was related to his and Nissa's unleashing the Eldrazi on her home plane, maybe under the incorrect assumption that Ugin and Sorin had reunited to release the lock in the Eye and then proceeded to let them run rampant, which would be reason for her to come after them (which wouldn't explain how she would still be alive but would be a reasonable assumption for motivation to attack Ugin and for Sorin to have some regret). But that's probably not it, again because of the especial emphasis on it being something Sorin feels like is entirely his fault and nobody else's. But I don't know the specifics on story of the Zendikar novel and his relations with Nissa.
In the end there's just not enough information to go off of to make ANY assumption right now, and I definitely don't think there's enough to think Sorin turned her into a vampire which seems like a bit of a leap of logic to me. I also agree with the notion that Wizards would like Planeswalkers to have easy to grasp identities and that having another vampire planeswalker would dilute that. I also personally like being able to identify characters as "the vampire planeswalker", "the Izzet planeswalker", etc.
But the people behind the barrier knew.
Pretty slim chance of being right, but it would be more interesting than vampire Nahiri
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