I am a bit confused about the Tarkir storyline and how it interacts with the Mending.
These are some quotes from the wiki pages (Mending, Timeline, Ugin) I'm basing my thoughts on. Maybe there is an error here?
"The Mending [...]4505 [...] Jeska gives her life to destroy the final rift over Otaria. [...]"
4604 [...] "The Eldrazi Titans are freed."
"[...] After the Mending the Multiverse found a new balance with the Planeswalker's spark, with far reaching consequences. Planeswalkers lost their immortality and godlike powers and much of their additional magic power."
"[...] Sarkhan Vol was drawn back to his homeplane of Tarkir by the whisperings of Ugin's spirit in his head. While there, he was able to travel back in time 1,280 years using Ugin's Nexus, a spiritual nexus surrounding Ugin's bones.
So, it appears that about 100 years passed since the Mending happened and the planeswalker's spark changed to what it is now. Planeswalkers lost most of their powers and are no longer immortal. But Sarkhan traveled back 1280 years in time, which means that he found a pre-mending Ugin. Ugin overslept the mending and most likely doesn't even know that it happened. Sorin didn't mention it either; wouldn't it be important information if they plan to face the Eldrazi in battle again? But more importantly, how can Nahiri still be alive? Sorin is immortal because he is a Vampire, and Ugin because he is a Dragon Spirit-thingy, but Nahiri is a mortal. She would be of biological age ~130 now, and unless Kor are extremely long-lived (and given their lifestyle it wouldn't make much sense for them to be), she should have died of old age by now. Still, the thought does not cross Ugin's or Sorin's mind.
I can't find anything about it on the wiki pages or anything mentioned in the Uncharted Realms stories. It almost seems like the Mending story arc has been swept under the rug.
My interpretation (and this could be wrong) is that Walkers didn't lose the 'protection from old age' aspect of their immortality, just the near-total indestructibility.
I'm also not sure if Ugin spent the 1280 years unconscious, or in some form of meditation. If he's been conscious - even intermittently - he surely knows about what happened in the Mending (not the events, but the results) or at least that those things affect him.
Walkers did lose their immortality with the mending hence lily making her demon pact and bolas eating alara, which is why lots of people have been speculating that nahiri is dead but with the new info available it sounds like she is alive, and sorin knows where she "should" be, and has a sense of guilt or what ever ageless immortals can feel instead of guilt, this leads me to believe that he did something or knows of something that allowed nahiri to become immortal. More than likely either against her will or that didn't turn out the way they thought it would leaving bad blood between them.
Ugin overslept the mending and most likely doesn't even know that it happened. Sorin didn't mention it either; wouldn't it be important information if they plan to face the Eldrazi in battle again?
*shrug* Sorin isn't the most thoughtful or empathic of people.
But more importantly, how can Nahiri still be alive?
We don't know.
It is strongly implied by the narration during Sorin's interaction with Ugin, that something happened to her. Something that makes Sorin feels the closes thing to guilt he is able to. What has passed between them, you won't find anywhere simply because it wasn't revealed, yet.
I can't find anything about it on the wiki pages or anything mentioned in the Uncharted Realms stories. It almost seems like the Mending story arc has been swept under the rug.
It is more like we don't know the whole story. How Nahiri can still be alive, and where she is, is a mystery deliberately created by the creative team and that wasn't resolved yet.
she is not an artificer in the normal sense, she makes artifacts but her construct are singular objects not moving pieces she makes swords and hedrons, also the only walker that can currently fill her role is Koth and he is heavily entwined with the mirrodin story and MIA at the moment
It makes me laugh whenever people bring up Najiri's age, considering we just saw a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze that kept Ugin alive well beyond his natural lifespan.
It makes me laugh whenever people bring up Najiri's age, considering we just saw a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze that kept Ugin alive well beyond his natural lifespan.
Umm, do we know anything about the natural lifespan of a spirit dragon?
It makes me laugh whenever people bring up Najiri's age, considering we just saw a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze that kept Ugin alive well beyond his natural lifespan.
The 'natural' life span of a dragon can be tens of thousands of years, I can't imagine being a spirit dragon shortens that. So no we didn't just see a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze extend anyone's life span.
It makes me laugh whenever people bring up Najiri's age, considering we just saw a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze that kept Ugin alive well beyond his natural lifespan.
The 'natural' life span of a dragon can be tens of thousands of years, I can't imagine being a spirit dragon shortens that. So no we didn't just see a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze extend anyone's life span.
At the point that Ugin dropped into the Nexus his lifespan was likely measured in hours if not minutes. For him to come out in the current present with anything like full health the nexus has to provide some benifits similar to the Pandorica and if it has those effects once it is safe to presume that it might have similar effects if recreated in other places.
This is also not forgetting that in lithomancy Ugin is pretty much a gifted amatuer, Nahiri seems to have made the study of that form of magic her lifes work.
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It makes me laugh whenever people bring up Najiri's age, considering we just saw a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze that kept Ugin alive well beyond his natural lifespan.
The 'natural' life span of a dragon can be tens of thousands of years, I can't imagine being a spirit dragon shortens that. So no we didn't just see a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze extend anyone's life span.
At the point that Ugin dropped into the Nexus his lifespan was likely measured in hours if not minutes. For him to come out in the current present with anything like full health the nexus has to provide some benifits similar to the Pandorica and if it has those effects once it is safe to presume that it might have similar effects if recreated in other places.
This is also not forgetting that in lithomancy Ugin is pretty much a gifted amatuer, Nahiri seems to have made the study of that form of magic her lifes work.
You need to remember that the hedrons are not solely lithomancy, they are created by lithomancy, then inscribed with dragonic runes so they are as much a product of nahiri as ugin, while it is possible that nahiri sealed herself in hedrons. It is incredibly unlikely she would do it somewhere other than zendikar and sorin said she was not on zendikar, so it makes little sense for her to be in a cocoon anywhere.
It makes me laugh whenever people bring up Najiri's age, considering we just saw a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze that kept Ugin alive well beyond his natural lifespan.
The 'natural' life span of a dragon can be tens of thousands of years, I can't imagine being a spirit dragon shortens that. So no we didn't just see a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze extend anyone's life span.
At the point that Ugin dropped into the Nexus his lifespan was likely measured in hours if not minutes. For him to come out in the current present with anything like full health the nexus has to provide some benifits similar to the Pandorica and if it has those effects once it is safe to presume that it might have similar effects if recreated in other places.
This is also not forgetting that in lithomancy Ugin is pretty much a gifted amatuer, Nahiri seems to have made the study of that form of magic her lifes work.
That doesn't really seem like the right way to interpret it. We have people IRL who get seriously injured, and without aid would die, that are saved by machines (and doctors), but it's not like those machines can vastly improve lifespan. It could just as easily be a magical saline drip as it is a cryogenic chamber.
Furthermore, as stated earlier, Ugin was the one that imbued the hedrons with power, Nahiri just made the shapes.
At the point that Ugin dropped into the Nexus his lifespan was likely measured in hours if not minutes. For him to come out in the current present with anything like full health the nexus has to provide some benifits similar to the Pandorica and if it has those effects once it is safe to presume that it might have similar effects if recreated in other places.
A woman arrives at the ER with minutes to live and doctors save her. Ergo a hospital is the Pandorica?
It's not like there's some indication Ugin was nearing the end of his natural, multi millenia, lifespan. He was just injured.
also the only walker that can currently fill her role is Koth and he is heavily entwined with the mirrodin story and MIA at the moment
Not at all. Ob-Nixilis knows basically all of nahiri's lithomancy & ugin's binding magic used in the hedrons. "I studied the hedrons for centuries. I know their magic better than anyone save the one who made them." [He's also working to regain his spark which will somehow result in the destruction of zendikar (or maybe the destruction will result in regaining his spark)]
That doesn't make him a walker to fill her role, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to help out a world in trouble also he seems hell-bent on destroying said world. so Koth is the only one who isn't inherently evil to fill the role
That doesn't make him a walker to fill her role, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to help out a world in trouble also he seems hell-bent on destroying said world. so Koth is the only one who isn't inherently evil to fill the role
Ob could work with them if it furthers his goals. They don't need to know he's only helping them for his own gains.
Also, the most destructive things on Zendikar outside of the Eldrazi are the hedrons. The hedrons which are all connected. If you want to destroy Zendikar without leaving the Eldrazi to their own devices, just detonate all the hedrons.
That aside, it's a bit naive to think bad people don't do good things (even if just for furthering their own agenda).
It's simple how Nahiri is alive and why Sorin feels guilty. He turned her into a vampire in case he ever needed her again.
That with the lack of anything really seems the most logical. We dont know how long Kor normally live and while we do know that several oldwalkers have techniques to extend their life we dont know if Nahiri is using one of these. Currently her being a vampire is the most logical answer.
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It's simple how Nahiri is alive and why Sorin feels guilty. He turned her into a vampire in case he ever needed her again.
That with the lack of anything really seems the most logical. We dont know how long Kor normally live and while we do know that several oldwalkers have techniques to extend their life we dont know if Nahiri is using one of these. Currently her being a vampire is the most logical answer.
I agree, and with the "pangs of guilt" or whatever approximation that Sorin felt, it seems likely that he turned Nahiri against her will.
It's simple how Nahiri is alive and why Sorin feels guilty. He turned her into a vampire in case he ever needed her again.
That with the lack of anything really seems the most logical. We dont know how long Kor normally live and while we do know that several oldwalkers have techniques to extend their life we dont know if Nahiri is using one of these. Currently her being a vampire is the most logical answer.
I thought on that for some time, but then it would mean that we'll have a 2nd vampire walker. isn't that like too much? although, we do have 2 dragon planeswalkers (albeit one of them a spirit), so maybe they're not afraid to repeat a non-human creature type for a walker
Is it possible that at some point Nahiri became undead at the hand of Sorin?
Actually undead is unlikely as the undead can't hold a spark and Sorins thoughts and words lead you to believe that she can sill planeswalk, so undead is no likely but Sorin's brand of vampirism isn't really undead so it is possible to hold a spark while a vampire
Sorin vampirizing Nahiri is the most likely scenario. But keep in mind, we don't actually know how long Kor live. They could be an elf-like race, and live to be hundreds of years old. So, my completely off the wall theory is that Nahiri eventually wanted the Eldrazi off of Zendikar. Sorin knew this and, instead of letting her undo the hedrons, intervened. He got her to another plane and somehow took her spark away. This would mean she couldn't go back to Zendikar and undo their work, but she could still be alive due to her race's particulars. Like I said, very off the wall, but the only thing that kinda makes sense as opposed to vampirism.
I am a bit confused about the Tarkir storyline and how it interacts with the Mending.
These are some quotes from the wiki pages (Mending, Timeline, Ugin) I'm basing my thoughts on. Maybe there is an error here?
I can't find anything about it on the wiki pages or anything mentioned in the Uncharted Realms stories. It almost seems like the Mending story arc has been swept under the rug.
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I'm also not sure if Ugin spent the 1280 years unconscious, or in some form of meditation. If he's been conscious - even intermittently - he surely knows about what happened in the Mending (not the events, but the results) or at least that those things affect him.
*shrug* Sorin isn't the most thoughtful or empathic of people.
We don't know.
It is strongly implied by the narration during Sorin's interaction with Ugin, that something happened to her. Something that makes Sorin feels the closes thing to guilt he is able to. What has passed between them, you won't find anywhere simply because it wasn't revealed, yet.
It is more like we don't know the whole story. How Nahiri can still be alive, and where she is, is a mystery deliberately created by the creative team and that wasn't resolved yet.
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Umm, do we know anything about the natural lifespan of a spirit dragon?
The 'natural' life span of a dragon can be tens of thousands of years, I can't imagine being a spirit dragon shortens that. So no we didn't just see a lithomancy-derived cryofreeze extend anyone's life span.
At the point that Ugin dropped into the Nexus his lifespan was likely measured in hours if not minutes. For him to come out in the current present with anything like full health the nexus has to provide some benifits similar to the Pandorica and if it has those effects once it is safe to presume that it might have similar effects if recreated in other places.
This is also not forgetting that in lithomancy Ugin is pretty much a gifted amatuer, Nahiri seems to have made the study of that form of magic her lifes work.
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You need to remember that the hedrons are not solely lithomancy, they are created by lithomancy, then inscribed with dragonic runes so they are as much a product of nahiri as ugin, while it is possible that nahiri sealed herself in hedrons. It is incredibly unlikely she would do it somewhere other than zendikar and sorin said she was not on zendikar, so it makes little sense for her to be in a cocoon anywhere.
Furthermore, as stated earlier, Ugin was the one that imbued the hedrons with power, Nahiri just made the shapes.
A woman arrives at the ER with minutes to live and doctors save her. Ergo a hospital is the Pandorica?
It's not like there's some indication Ugin was nearing the end of his natural, multi millenia, lifespan. He was just injured.
Source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ur/dreams-damned-2014-08-06
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Ob could work with them if it furthers his goals. They don't need to know he's only helping them for his own gains.
Also, the most destructive things on Zendikar outside of the Eldrazi are the hedrons. The hedrons which are all connected. If you want to destroy Zendikar without leaving the Eldrazi to their own devices, just detonate all the hedrons.
That aside, it's a bit naive to think bad people don't do good things (even if just for furthering their own agenda).
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That with the lack of anything really seems the most logical. We dont know how long Kor normally live and while we do know that several oldwalkers have techniques to extend their life we dont know if Nahiri is using one of these. Currently her being a vampire is the most logical answer.
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I agree, and with the "pangs of guilt" or whatever approximation that Sorin felt, it seems likely that he turned Nahiri against her will.
I thought on that for some time, but then it would mean that we'll have a 2nd vampire walker. isn't that like too much? although, we do have 2 dragon planeswalkers (albeit one of them a spirit), so maybe they're not afraid to repeat a non-human creature type for a walker
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Actually undead is unlikely as the undead can't hold a spark and Sorins thoughts and words lead you to believe that she can sill planeswalk, so undead is no likely but Sorin's brand of vampirism isn't really undead so it is possible to hold a spark while a vampire
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