To my eyes the snakes in Sudden Reclamation and Altar of the Brood are distinctively hooded, like a cobra. The creature in Fate Forgotten is not hooded and colored differently than the creatures in Sudden Reclamation and the statue in Altar of the Brood. It resembles Ugin's Construct to my eyes, except for the fangs, as previously pointed out. It is artifact colored and has fuzzy things that could easily be the legs. The card and the coloring of the creature point to it being an artifact. It may not be Ugin's Construct, but it differs from the Altar and the suddenly reclaimed snake in their most important feature and coloring.
You were the one who brought the Construct into this.
My current stand is that Sudden Reclamation was the statue found by the Sultai 1,280 years ago, which they used to build Altar of the Brood. On Tarkir 1.0, the Altar flourished and continued to exist, but on Tarkir 1.1, it was forgotten. Ugin's Construct had nothing to do with the trio.
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Sudden Reclamation is a card about resurrecting creatures with a picture of a green hooded snake that seems to be alive in water outside. It has a quote from a necromancer, not an artificier or a sculptor. Altar of the Brood is a gold covered statue that shows no signs of having been a living creature and is described as a statue. Yes, the statue is also hooded, but that does not make them the same. The statue is an artifact, not a creature, and obviously covered with gold.
Fate Forgotten is a card about exiling artifacts and enchantments. It has a creature that is gray, the color of Ugin's Construct (although the teeth are shaped differently, possibly due to artistic license), stone and metal. The outline of the creature's head is clear and the protrusions along the spine which would be obscured by the hood (and are obviously not part of the creature in Sudden Reclamation) are visible. It seems apparent to me that the creature is not hooded. They both have a pair of torches emitting blue smoke. The torches themselves are obviously different.
Why do you think the creature in Sudden Reclamation is a statue?
I may be wrong on the Sudden Reclamation aspect. It's possible since it relates to creatures and Altar of the Brood and Fate Forgotten both refer to artifacts that the Reclamation has nothing to do with the two. I suppose the Snakes all look pretty much the same and the Sultai just built the Altar in its design but coated it with gold since Sultai is also about Opulence.
Firstly, You say "Fate Forgotten is a card about exiling artifacts and enchantments. It has a creature that is gray" - why would it have a creature in its art? It should be an artifact in the art.
Secondly, Color is not an indicator of something that has been abandoned for 1,280 years (How would the Altar stay golden with no one around to maintain it?)
Third, the fangs weren't shaped differently - Ugin's Construct doesn't even have fangs. If anything is shaped differently due to artistic license, it would be the different-shaped torches.
I might be wrong on the Sudden Reclamation since there's a lack of evidence, but Fate Forgotten features something that share similar blue flames from torches/eyes, the same fangs and similar backgrounds as Altar of the Brood, none of which were present (flames/fangs/background) on Ugin's Construct. The flavor text even mentions the fall of Sultai, which the Altar was once part of, but not Ugin's Construct.
Walking into the story in the middle, I can make stuff up.
If the Naga are a cross between an ancient extinct cobra and humans, then when the Naga take over in the Khans timeline, they could "Suddenly Reclaim" an ancestral cobra. As the Sultai rulers they could make a golden artifact to resemble it. So the cobra in Sudden Reclamation could be the model for the statue in Altar of the Brood.
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In the Silumgar timeline, I don't see why the Sudden Reclamation ever gets done and the Altar ever gets made, since the Naga go from being intermediaries between the Rakshasa and Tasigur to being intermediaries between the Rakshasa and Tasigur.
While the commentary points to a link, the story doesn't make sense (why would Silumgar allow the Altar of the Brood to ever be constructed) and the figure in Fate Forgotten does not resemble either the Sudden Reclamation creature or the Altar of the Brood statue.
Amusingly, there is an alternate art of Altar in "Ugin's Fate" that resembles neither the Sudden Reclamation cobra, nor the Fate Forgotten figure.
What am I missing?
Pardon, but are you blind? The Altar and Fate Forgotten are the same thing, down to the torches on each side. I will gladly wait to an Arcana devoted to this card and show it to you then.
Sorry if this is a little off topic, but one thing I would have really liked to have seen in FRF was a Pearl Lake "Juvenile" or something. I know not everything needs to have a parallel, but when dealing with time travel and having something named "ancient" it would have been cool to see a younger version. But maybe WotC only wanted the elder dragons to live through the 1,000+ year story.
Upon inspecting the spoiler, there *might* be some relation between Aven Skirmisher and Aven Sunstriker, but only on the basis that they are both Jeskai/Ojutai and feature an aven in relatively similar pose.
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am i the only one seeing whisperer of the wilds -> dragon whisperer? The angle is different and the animal in the back is now a dragon, but the person is the same.
The artist is also the same, which is often a support for your theory.
am i the only one seeing whisperer of the wilds -> dragon whisperer? The angle is different and the animal in the back is now a dragon, but the person is the same.
Highly unlikely if you consider the fact that the dragon whisperer lives in present Tarkir while the whisperer of the wilds was alive during the events of Fate Reforged 1280 years prior DTK.
I don't really see a resemblance either.
am i the only one seeing whisperer of the wilds -> dragon whisperer? The angle is different and the animal in the back is now a dragon, but the person is the same.
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am i the only one seeing whisperer of the wilds -> dragon whisperer? The angle is different and the animal in the back is now a dragon, but the person is the same.
They're not the same person but there's obviously supposed to be paralell where in one time line the Whisperers of the Wilds become Rattleclaw Shamans and in the other time line become Dragon Whisperers.
ok, I never saw the discussion on that one, how about risen excutioner <- merciless executioner. He seems to have grown some love handles under silumgar and the ax is a little bit different, but otherwise quite similar.
I'm a bit peeved there is no Dragon throne for the dragons. :/
Dragonlord throne of Tarkir. ?
Executioners aren't the same. If it had the same axe, and still had Abzan clothing on, maybe. But without Orc creature type as noted, it is a very far stretch.
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That is neither Shu Yun (different clothes, only the bead necklace is similar) nor Tapestry of the Ages (way too many pics on that scroll). The closest visual reference to Myth Realized is Sage's Reverie.
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That is neither Shu Yun (different clothes, only the bead necklace is similar) nor Tapestry of the Ages (way too many pics on that scroll). The closest visual reference to Myth Realized is Sage's Reverie.
It might be Shu Yun, from that angle its hard to see exactly what he's wearing and the Jeskai all dressed nearly identically. The details clearly differ. Clearly it is someone from ancient Tarkir but there's no pinning it to a particular character.
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You were the one who brought the Construct into this.
Seriously, drop it already. This leads nowhere.
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I may be wrong on the Sudden Reclamation aspect. It's possible since it relates to creatures and Altar of the Brood and Fate Forgotten both refer to artifacts that the Reclamation has nothing to do with the two. I suppose the Snakes all look pretty much the same and the Sultai just built the Altar in its design but coated it with gold since Sultai is also about Opulence.
The Ugin's Construct theory is way off due to several factors:
Firstly, You say "Fate Forgotten is a card about exiling artifacts and enchantments. It has a creature that is gray" - why would it have a creature in its art? It should be an artifact in the art.
Secondly, Color is not an indicator of something that has been abandoned for 1,280 years (How would the Altar stay golden with no one around to maintain it?)
Third, the fangs weren't shaped differently - Ugin's Construct doesn't even have fangs. If anything is shaped differently due to artistic license, it would be the different-shaped torches.
I might be wrong on the Sudden Reclamation since there's a lack of evidence, but Fate Forgotten features something that share similar blue flames from torches/eyes, the same fangs and similar backgrounds as Altar of the Brood, none of which were present (flames/fangs/background) on Ugin's Construct. The flavor text even mentions the fall of Sultai, which the Altar was once part of, but not Ugin's Construct.
If the Naga are a cross between an ancient extinct cobra and humans, then when the Naga take over in the Khans timeline, they could "Suddenly Reclaim" an ancestral cobra. As the Sultai rulers they could make a golden artifact to resemble it. So the cobra in Sudden Reclamation could be the model for the statue in Altar of the Brood.
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In the Silumgar timeline, I don't see why the Sudden Reclamation ever gets done and the Altar ever gets made, since the Naga go from being intermediaries between the Rakshasa and Tasigur to being intermediaries between the Rakshasa and Tasigur.
While the commentary points to a link, the story doesn't make sense (why would Silumgar allow the Altar of the Brood to ever be constructed) and the figure in Fate Forgotten does not resemble either the Sudden Reclamation creature or the Altar of the Brood statue.
Amusingly, there is an alternate art of Altar in "Ugin's Fate" that resembles neither the Sudden Reclamation cobra, nor the Fate Forgotten figure.
What am I missing?
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I think we're getting a little far out there people. Let's reign it in to things that can more directly be linked.
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Pardon, but are you blind? The Altar and Fate Forgotten are the same thing, down to the torches on each side. I will gladly wait to an Arcana devoted to this card and show it to you then.
Just clean up the Fate Forgotten nonsense, and we can move forward.
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Upon inspecting the spoiler, there *might* be some relation between Aven Skirmisher and Aven Sunstriker, but only on the basis that they are both Jeskai/Ojutai and feature an aven in relatively similar pose.
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The artist is also the same, which is often a support for your theory.
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Highly unlikely if you consider the fact that the dragon whisperer lives in present Tarkir while the whisperer of the wilds was alive during the events of Fate Reforged 1280 years prior DTK.
I don't really see a resemblance either.
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They're not the same person but there's obviously supposed to be paralell where in one time line the Whisperers of the Wilds become Rattleclaw Shamans and in the other time line become Dragon Whisperers.
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Dragonlord throne of Tarkir. ?
Executioners aren't the same. If it had the same axe, and still had Abzan clothing on, maybe. But without Orc creature type as noted, it is a very far stretch.
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Sigh... That was kind of my point: I was lampshading the fact that humans are treated differently when it comes to undead than the other races.
If it' any consolation, Silumgar is using Tasigur's old throne room.
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Humans being the audience is the reasoning, even if it makes less sense in the fluff.
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Is humor really such an alien concept in the storyline forum? :/
That is neither Shu Yun (different clothes, only the bead necklace is similar) nor Tapestry of the Ages (way too many pics on that scroll). The closest visual reference to Myth Realized is Sage's Reverie.
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It might be Shu Yun, from that angle its hard to see exactly what he's wearing and the Jeskai all dressed nearly identically. The details clearly differ. Clearly it is someone from ancient Tarkir but there's no pinning it to a particular character.
I was hoping Dirgur Nemesis was a mirror to Pearl Lake Ancient, but there doesn't seem to be any visual or mechanical link between the two cards.
Random aside: the flavor text on Clever Impersonator is wonderful foreshadowing, especially in the light of the last Uncharted Realms story.
I will note that one of the recent articles mentioned that the Meandering Towershell was going to have a 'baby' card in FRF, but it got cut.
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