I don't know if there is a more appropriate forum for this question, because I largely only float around on Magic Storyline when I come to this site.
A friend of mine was wondering if there is art of Sarkhan in his dragon form, apart from the art for Form of the Dragon and Banefire, which may show transitional forms, but not the final form.
Also, changing into another shape seems to be a pretty serious thing for presumably mortal wizards, though in Magic I assume it happens if not frequently, then not rarely. I don't know much about Ob Nixilis, but what is preventing him from changing shape to human instead of demon, if Sarkhan can shift form at will? Does it all come down to their magic? I just read up on him, and it seems the Chain Veil made him into a demon. If Sarkhan can change into a dragon, can Ob learn magic to change back into human?
Doubtful on the Ob thing. Besides he wants his Planeswalker powers back more than his human form. As for Sarkhan, the best I can think of is in the trailer for Khans where he shifts as he's walking away from the camera. Other than that I can't think of anything matching your description. I've always envisioned Sarkhan's transformation as only being a half dragon form anyway. That said I just had an incredible thought about something for the game's flavor.
Sarkhan, the weak. Sarkhan, the fallen. Sarkhan, the betrayer. He has brought shame to the Tarkir khans where none existed before. May his suffering equal his betrayal
"The Inn was ever a steady source of good cheer and kindness. Greatly do I miss it, now that the dragons made it gone."
I think the flavor text on the DoT Duress implies that the artwork depicts Sarkhan as a Dragon.
Nope thats Kolaghan.
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Which disappoints me greatly. Kolaghan was started off as seeming like the token good teammate. She's R/B so I can imagine a temper but I honestly thought she'd be really aloof and leave the clan mostly alone. You know, since she's the colors of anarchy and only really cares about going fast, not ruling. Maybe someone gave her one too many trinkets and she got a taste for ruling. -_-
"My soul thirsts for Ugin's salvation, as does his body for life's breath." - Sarkhan, the weak
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There's shame in letting the weak get what they deserve from the dragons?
They only became weak because of Sarkhan's meddling. Zurgo Helmsmasher is more powerful than Kolaghan, and showed absolutely no fear. The one thing that's being drilled into us about this new Tarkir is that everything and everyone (except the Rakshasa) fear dragons and cower before them. That's a weaker Tarkir.
If we're being honest, comparing humans to dragons is usually not gonna end well for the humans or humanoids like Zurgo. I mean among the humans. The ones that best (be they raiders, berserkers, soldiers, adept schemers or advisers, clever politicos...you get the picture) adapt will make it while the weak ones won't. Zurgo dies to just about everything. Kolaghan can take a bolt and keep going faster.
Okay, this thread has officially gone to the weird place. Storyline is not the place for fanfiction. Let's try to circle back to the actual topic at hand--dragonform!Sarkhan.
If we're being honest, comparing humans to dragons is usually not gonna end well for the humans or humanoids like Zurgo.
Epic Confrontation proves you wrong. Surrak as a 5/4 is strong enough to punch out a dragon with his bear (I know what I said) hands. As a 6/6, he was also capable of punching out Tarkir's 4/X bears. There's no reason to believe the logic that applies to Surrak also applies to his fellow Khan, Zurgo Helmsmasher.
If we're being honest, comparing humans to dragons is usually not gonna end well for the humans or humanoids like Zurgo.
Epic Confrontation proves you wrong. Surrak as a 5/4 is strong enough to punch out a dragon with his bear (I know what I said) hands. As a 6/6, he was also capable of punching out Tarkir's 4/X bears. There's no reason to believe the logic that applies to Surrak also applies to his fellow Khan, Zurgo Helmsmasher.
Creatures power in game doesn't equal their strength in the storyline. For all we know Surrak 1.0 could take out Zurgo 1.0. Granted I could see Zurgo 1.0 taking out minor dragons (which is the case I think for Surrak 1.1) but defiantly not Kolaghan.
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“There are no weak Jews. I am descended from those who wrestle angels and kill giants. We were chosen by God. You were chosen by a pathetic little man who can't seem to grow a full mustache"
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
If we're being honest, comparing humans to dragons is usually not gonna end well for the humans or humanoids like Zurgo.
Epic Confrontation proves you wrong. Surrak as a 5/4 is strong enough to punch out a dragon with his bear (I know what I said) hands. As a 6/6, he was also capable of punching out Tarkir's 4/X bears. There's no reason to believe the logic that applies to Surrak also applies to his fellow Khan, Zurgo Helmsmasher.
7/2 folds to quite a few things in Zurgo's case. It seems you misread my post. Note that I said it "usually" will not end well for the human. That means we'll see some exceptions, like Surrak and Sarkhan. Although with Surrak we don't see him killing a dragon, just breaking its jaw. Especially if Sarkhan assumes dragonmode. If more humans on Tarkir learned that kind of magic, the ground would be a bit more level. As it is, I don't know if Sarkhan can still go into dragonmode.
If we're being honest, comparing humans to dragons is usually not gonna end well for the humans or humanoids like Zurgo.
Epic Confrontation proves you wrong. Surrak as a 5/4 is strong enough to punch out a dragon with his bear (I know what I said) hands. As a 6/6, he was also capable of punching out Tarkir's 4/X bears. There's no reason to believe the logic that applies to Surrak also applies to his fellow Khan, Zurgo Helmsmasher.
7/2 folds to quite a few things in Zurgo's case. It seems you misread my post. Note that I said it "usually" will not end well for the human. That means we'll see some exceptions, like Surrak and Sarkhan. Although with Surrak we don't see him killing a dragon, just breaking its jaw. Especially if Sarkhan assumes dragonmode. If more humans on Tarkir learned that kind of magic, the ground would be a bit more level. As it is, I don't know if Sarkhan can still go into dragonmode.
Zurgo is indestructible. We see that this is presented as him having insane grit, as even when Narset breaks his hand in several places, he fights through the pain and uses his overwhelming power to crush her.
With Indestructible on his side, his /2 is irrelevant.
If we're being honest, comparing humans to dragons is usually not gonna end well for the humans or humanoids like Zurgo.
Epic Confrontation proves you wrong. Surrak as a 5/4 is strong enough to punch out a dragon with his bear (I know what I said) hands. As a 6/6, he was also capable of punching out Tarkir's 4/X bears. There's no reason to believe the logic that applies to Surrak also applies to his fellow Khan, Zurgo Helmsmasher.
Creatures power in game doesn't equal their strength in the storyline. For all we know Surrak 1.0 could take out Zurgo 1.0. Granted I could see Zurgo 1.0 taking out minor dragons (which is the case I think for Surrak 1.1) but defiantly not Kolaghan.
I know power/toughness is largely irrelevant. However, the precedent for humans beating dragons in single combat has been set in Epic Confrontation. Further, it's a known human with known stats, so how does he compare to another known humanoid with known stats? If he can do it, logically, someone more powerful should be able to as well.
Don't let the "Elder Dragon" title fool you. Kolaghan isn't like the Legends cycle and the "Elder" only signifies her being old and the leader of her brood. There's no reason to believe Zurgo Helmsmasher couldn't smash her helm too.
But this is just conjecture, and you can't prove me wrong any more than I can you.
Sarkhan grew up in a world with Morph, I won't be surprised with his fanatical devotion to dragons he learnt how to Morph into one.
It's all about specialty Magic. In the old days, most planeswalkers could mind-read like Jace if they wanted to, I'd suppose. Shapeshifting is just one a lot (of writers I suppose) found convenient and therefore was shown to be used a lot of times.
Morph magic isn't about transformation, it's about disguise.
There is no way his Form of the Dragon was learned on Tarkir because then it wouldn't be such a big deal that he can do it. Dragons were extinct on Tarkir for upwards of a thousand years in his original timeline, if people could regularly turn into dragons, the tides of war would be different.
A friend of mine was wondering if there is art of Sarkhan in his dragon form, apart from the art for Form of the Dragon and Banefire, which may show transitional forms, but not the final form.
Also, changing into another shape seems to be a pretty serious thing for presumably mortal wizards, though in Magic I assume it happens if not frequently, then not rarely.
I don't know much about Ob Nixilis, but what is preventing him from changing shape to human instead of demon, if Sarkhan can shift form at will? Does it all come down to their magic?I just read up on him, and it seems the Chain Veil made him into a demon. If Sarkhan can change into a dragon, can Ob learn magic to change back into human?Your mods are terrified of me.
"The Inn was ever a steady source of good cheer and kindness. Greatly do I miss it, now that the dragons made it gone."
That's Kolaghan yelling at Zurgo. Sarkhan is laughing and saying the flavor text in the distance.
Nope thats Kolaghan.
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They only became weak because of Sarkhan's meddling. Zurgo Helmsmasher is more powerful than Kolaghan, and showed absolutely no fear. The one thing that's being drilled into us about this new Tarkir is that everything and everyone (except the Rakshasa) fear dragons and cower before them. That's a weaker Tarkir.
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Epic Confrontation proves you wrong. Surrak as a 5/4 is strong enough to punch out a dragon with his bear (I know what I said) hands. As a 6/6, he was also capable of punching out Tarkir's 4/X bears. There's no reason to believe the logic that applies to Surrak also applies to his fellow Khan, Zurgo Helmsmasher.
Your mods are terrified of me.
Creatures power in game doesn't equal their strength in the storyline. For all we know Surrak 1.0 could take out Zurgo 1.0. Granted I could see Zurgo 1.0 taking out minor dragons (which is the case I think for Surrak 1.1) but defiantly not Kolaghan.
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7/2 folds to quite a few things in Zurgo's case. It seems you misread my post. Note that I said it "usually" will not end well for the human. That means we'll see some exceptions, like Surrak and Sarkhan. Although with Surrak we don't see him killing a dragon, just breaking its jaw. Especially if Sarkhan assumes dragonmode. If more humans on Tarkir learned that kind of magic, the ground would be a bit more level. As it is, I don't know if Sarkhan can still go into dragonmode.
Zurgo is indestructible. We see that this is presented as him having insane grit, as even when Narset breaks his hand in several places, he fights through the pain and uses his overwhelming power to crush her.
With Indestructible on his side, his /2 is irrelevant.
I know power/toughness is largely irrelevant. However, the precedent for humans beating dragons in single combat has been set in Epic Confrontation. Further, it's a known human with known stats, so how does he compare to another known humanoid with known stats? If he can do it, logically, someone more powerful should be able to as well.
Don't let the "Elder Dragon" title fool you. Kolaghan isn't like the Legends cycle and the "Elder" only signifies her being old and the leader of her brood. There's no reason to believe Zurgo Helmsmasher couldn't smash her helm too.
But this is just conjecture, and you can't prove me wrong any more than I can you.
Your mods are terrified of me.
It's modified flavour text about Ihsan's Shade from Homelands.
It's all about specialty Magic. In the old days, most planeswalkers could mind-read like Jace if they wanted to, I'd suppose. Shapeshifting is just one a lot (of writers I suppose) found convenient and therefore was shown to be used a lot of times.
There is no way his Form of the Dragon was learned on Tarkir because then it wouldn't be such a big deal that he can do it. Dragons were extinct on Tarkir for upwards of a thousand years in his original timeline, if people could regularly turn into dragons, the tides of war would be different.
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