The assumption here is that the clan leaders had clan interest in mind.
Do... do you want a Godwin to the face? How about just a Tasigur? Humans (especially political leaders with absolute power) are self interested all the time.
What interest would the dragon lords have other than themselves? Their well being is the goal.
I'm not sure I follow this line of thinking. There's no reason at all to assume that the dragon lords are sociopaths narcissists, in fact we've seen them have interests beyond themselves. This isn't the Austrian School of Economics, you can't declare something true and then argue that reality is wrong when its shown to be false.
I dunno, this whole plane seems like a s***hole to me. The only thing that's changed from Tarkir 1.0 to 1.1 is the particular stench. It still reeks of a latrine. Can't get back to Zendikar soon enough.
And regardless of whether humans were better off with or without dragons, the fact of the matter is that the plane was dying without Ugin. Now it's not. And I think it's seeing things a bit too myopically through a human-lens to say that humans are really any worse off under the dragons than they were under the khans. The circumstances are different, but comparable.
In any case, can we just flush and move on already? The stink is making my eyes water.
Is that not a Kin Tree on top of what looks like one of the Abzan Rolling Fortresses on the art of Arashin Sovereign?
They have tree that are not kin tree. They live in a desert after all.
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Is that not a Kin Tree on top of what looks like one of the Abzan Rolling Fortresses on the art of Arashin Sovereign?
They have tree that are not kin tree. They live in a desert after all.
Deserts have almost no trees. Besides, it does look a lot like a kin-tree.
...thats why they have their own trees, they provide shade and food among other resources.
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Is that not a Kin Tree on top of what looks like one of the Abzan Rolling Fortresses on the art of Arashin Sovereign?
They have tree that are not kin tree. They live in a desert after all.
Deserts have almost no trees. Besides, it does look a lot like a kin-tree.
...thats why they have their own trees, they provide shade and food among other resources.
That wasn't really clear from your original comment IMHO. Anyway, that still doesn't change the fact that the tree on top of that fortress looks suspiciously like a kin-tree, which can probably be chalked up to an artist mistake.
I dunno, this whole plane seems like a s***hole to me. The only thing that's changed from Tarkir 1.0 to 1.1 is the particular stench. It still reeks of a latrine. Can't get back to Zendikar soon enough.
And regardless of whether humans were better off with or without dragons, the fact of the matter is that the plane was dying without Ugin. Now it's not. And I think it's seeing things a bit too myopically through a human-lens to say that humans are really any worse off under the dragons than they were under the khans. The circumstances are different, but comparable.
In any case, can we just flush and move on already? The stink is making my eyes water.
Well, when the story is written specifically to fill the needs of the block structure, its going to suck. They didn't tell this story because it was a great idea that they wanted to flesh out, they told it because blocks are going to 2 sets, and Khans block will serve as the transition (as Khans and Fate Reforged are drafted together, and Fate and Dragons will be, simulating 2 set blocks). They needed a story reason to justify the wonky draft structure, and came up with time travel, then went from there.
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Do... do you want a Godwin to the face? How about just a Tasigur? Humans (especially political leaders with absolute power) are self interested all the time.
Using Tasigur is a poor example. He was only the Khan of the Sultai in name. I specifically left out the Sultai in my previous arguments, because their rulership didn't change in concept. In KTK they were ruled by the Rakshasa, although a bit more subtly, now they are ruled by Silumgar, openly. Same thing, different name.
For the other clans though, it's different, as Smokestack has pointed out.
It would appear you think all the Nazi regime did was kill people in gas chambers. On the contrary, it did a fair bit of governing, both in house and abroad.
Do... do you want a Godwin to the face? How about just a Tasigur? Humans (especially political leaders with absolute power) are self interested all the time.
Bravo, you're using a member of the clan that was the blueprint for dragon rule as an example. Sultai under both Sidisi and Taisigur is what current Tarkir is under dragon rule - a world centred entirely on the ones that rule.[/quote]
But you have been arguing that human(oid) rules are fundamentally not self interested and thus better than dragons. Obviously humanoids can be self interested.
To believe they ascend beyond self interest is wishful think based on, well, nothing.
Okay, now you seem to be assuming that altruism is a uniquely human trait. Dromoka banned necromancy out of concern for the spirits that the Abzan were binding. We've even seen Ojutai work to make people's lives better.
Yeah, I was kinda on the fence with some of them (except for Sultai), but with today's UR it looks rather crappy in general, so far. We will have to wait and see how the other Dragon clans sound from the next one, but so far, I am not impressed with this "better" future.
Yeah, I was kinda on the fence with some of them (except for Sultai), but with today's UR it looks rather crappy in general, so far. We will have to wait and see how the other Dragon clans sound from the next one, but so far, I am not impressed with this "better" future.
This timeline isn't in any sense better for the people of Tarkir than the old one. It's only "better" coz Ugin ain't dead and might be able to help stop the Eldrazis from nomnom'ing on the multiverse.
So basically post apocalyptic dystopia with evental eldrazi oblivion vs a dystopia with a hope for a future existence.
Anyway inter faction wars are still a thing (sarkan did noted how the clans did not war against each other to fight dragons.
Also are we forgetting that sarkhan killed his own men for a pyrhic victory?
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This is the point of the setting. The cosmic joke is that if you put dragons in charge instead of people nothing changes.
Sarkhan's whole shtick was "People are awful, Dragons should be in charge, then no one would be at war." The only thing that changed, though, is who the leaders are. The war is just as strong as ever because the force that drove it was never actually "we're bored, let's fight."
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Even after Anafenza was executed, many secretly maintained their beliefs in the old ways.
So basically many of the former Abzan will serve Dromoka but only out of necessity and survival. Otherwise they still keep to the old beliefs despite Dromoka's efforts.
This is the point of the setting. The cosmic joke is that if you put dragons in charge instead of people nothing changes.
Sarkhan's whole shtick was "People are awful, Dragons should be in charge, then no one would be at war." The only thing that changed, though, is who the leaders are. The war is just as strong as ever because the force that drove it was never actually "we're bored, let's fight."
I thought he believed that the dragons made people stronger, because they had to adapt. He preferred the way it was under Ugin, a balance between Khans and dragons. The clans had to work together somewhat to fight the dragons, and neither side would ever gain an advantage. He hated the corruption and weakness of the clans in his timeline's Tarkir.
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Even after Anafenza was executed, many secretly maintained their beliefs in the old ways.
So basically many of the former Abzan will serve Dromoka but only out of necessity and survival. Otherwise they still keep to the old beliefs despite Dromoka's efforts.
That's not quite accurate. "Secretly" and "executed" are the key bits here. They serve Dromoka out of fear of being executed, while serving her, they secretly still worship their ancestors.
This is the point of the setting. The cosmic joke is that if you put dragons in charge instead of people nothing changes.
Sarkhan's whole shtick was "People are awful, Dragons should be in charge, then no one would be at war." The only thing that changed, though, is who the leaders are. The war is just as strong as ever because the force that drove it was never actually "we're bored, let's fight."
I thought he believed that the dragons made people stronger, because they had to adapt. He preferred the way it was under Ugin, a balance between Khans and dragons. The clans had to work together somewhat to fight the dragons, and neither side would ever gain an advantage. He hated the corruption and weakness of the clans in his timeline's Tarkir.
That is giving him too much credit, I'm afraid. He legitimately only did this because he thinks dragons should rule.
And it really is only his opinion that the people are stronger now. If there's one thing all the flavor text and guides tell us it's that every non-humanoid is a mewling weakling servant to the dragons now. In Tarkir, you had really powerful humanoids that were constantly at war.
Hell, in Fate Reforged's timeline, we see humanoids are fricking tired of dragons and fighting them was driving them to extinction. It was a battle for survival and Yasova echoed this to Sarkhan, who shrugged it off with "DRAGONS MAKE YOU BETTER!!111!!!!eleven!!!"
The best part of the most recent UR was how Narset discovered that Ojutai was a murderous dictator who staged a coup, and was totally fine with it, LOL.
I honestly don't chalk up the general inconsistency of the flavour to limitations imposed by Wizards' card development department. The main issue is that the designers/writers are sloppy. Could be they haven't got enough time to flesh the story out, but it's not extremely difficult to make sure your plot holes are plugged and that the caliber of writing's at least on par.
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The quality of the writing on the Narset UR was atrocious, and I was exhausted by story's end. I can't believe that the writer is/was a University Professor. The heck?
Outside of the actual quality of the writing, it would have been more enjoyable flavour-wise to have Narset realize that life under dragonlords is just as bogus as life under khans. As things stand, everything just sits in a weird haze of mediocrity, and if Ugin is somehow brought in to resolve the situation and re-introduce "balance", the whole block would have just been a woefully pointless back-and-forth.
The best part of the most recent UR was how Narset discovered that Ojutai was a murderous dictator who staged a coup, and was totally fine with it, LOL.
I honestly don't chalk up the general inconsistency of the flavour to limitations imposed by Wizards' card development department. The main issue is that the designers/writers are sloppy. Could be they haven't got enough time to flesh the story out, but it's not extremely difficult to make sure your plot holes are plugged and that the caliber of writing's at least on par.
There are many of us who actually enjoy MTG flavour, right? If so, then Wizards should devote the requisite amount of resources to that aspect of the game. Otherwise, why not just print variations of white knight vs black knight every year?
The quality of the writing on the Narset UR was atrocious, and I was exhausted by story's end. I can't believe that the writer is/was a University Professor. The heck?
Outside of the actual quality of the writing, it would have been more enjoyable flavour-wise to have Narset realize that life under dragonlords is just as bogus as life under khans. As things stand, everything just sits in a weird haze of mediocrity, and if Ugin is somehow brought in to resolve the situation and re-introduce "balance", the whole block would have just been a woefully pointless back-and-forth.
I can understand not liking the story but I've seen some seriously bad writing. I've had to read it. That didn't even crack the top 10 worst stories I've ever read. Seriously go back and find the uncharted realms about the nymphs and naiads of Theros and then come and talk to me.
And let me make this clear, Narset was NOT fine with what Ojutai did. Just because she didn't immediately start acting out and go on a roaring rampage of revenge does not mean she was fine. She was conflicted. Very much so in fact. You have to understand, in this timeline, Narset grew up in what amounts to a repressive regime. Ojutai as this great master teacher is all she's ever known and to her, that's exactly what he's been! I don't know if you realize just how true Narset's interactions with Ojutai are for a martial artist. You do NOT go against the teachings of your instructor. It's just not done in the martial arts world. In Japanese martial arts Sensei doesn't just mean teacher, it's full import leans very close toward parent! I'd imagine this is even more so in Chinese martial arts culture where Confucian thinking places loyalty to one's family as of utmost importance. It's part of the same logic as to why, even though he wanted him to have it, the red-panda teacher in Kung Fu panda couldn't go against his master to give the dragon scroll to the leopard, his adopted son.
The realization of what Ojutai did and Narset's break with him wasn't something she just up and did. That cognitive dissonance is something she struggled with for a long while and even though she left at the end of the story for her first planeswalk, I didn't get the sense she was actually over what she learned. Hence the obsession with digging up the information. Also remember, blue doesn't act quickly and blue/white acts GLACIALLY! Narset is going to end up spending ALOT of time on this problem before she decides how to handle her feelings about her old master.
I think the awakening of Ugin will shed some light with regards to what the future of Tarkir is, but there's definitely been a shift for the worse with regards to several of the clans.
Which begs the question if Ugin has any kind of power over the dragons of Tarkir considering they are born out of his magic?
Do the other dragons even know him and respect and listen to him? I imagine he is capable of beating any of the dragonlords in a confrontation.
And lastly does Ugin even care about all this?
Ugin's general attitude appears to be one that cares about all of the Multiverse since he sees it as a vast tapestry. He had the ability to control the other dragons in his fight with Bolas so the idea that he has some measure of control over the Dragonlords seems likely along with power over the other dragons.
That said, the changes for the worse thing is, again, something I've said before IS a time travel trope all its own and usually those changes are ironic. You have the Ojutai, the clan of knowledge and cunning who only know a false history of Tarkir and are beholden to a being who, unbeknownst to them, actively limits their knowledge.
You have the Atarka, aligned with a color combination that values wildness, freedom and savage power who've actually been tamed and struggle to subsist next to there dragons. You have the clan of nature and they are hunting their food supply to extinction. I can't wait to see the other ones to see what ironic changes have hit the other clans.
And getting back on topic, the seeds of rebellion have been sowed in all the clans in one way shape or form. I imagine with Ugin's rise, the sleeper cells will activate and we'll start seeing things get even weirder. Ugin would probably put that plan on the back burner for a bit though to deal with the greater threat of the Eldrazi since he seems to be effective at triage but I can't imagine he won't come back to Tarkir and settle some things.
And getting back on topic, the seeds of rebellion have been sowed in all the clans in one way shape or form. I imagine with Ugin's rise, the sleeper cells will activate and we'll start seeing things get even weirder. Ugin would probably put that plan on the back burner for a bit though to deal with the greater threat of the Eldrazi since he seems to be effective at triage but I can't imagine he won't come back to Tarkir and settle some things.
Well, we're gonna need an excuse for Return to Tarkir 5-10 yrs down the pipeline....
Simply having Ugin waking up should change quite a bit. Him sleeping is what is making so many dragons and as the dragons go down to normal levels you could see the world go back to how it was in fate reforged *or some combination of fate and dragons*
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And getting back on topic, the seeds of rebellion have been sowed in all the clans in one way shape or form. I imagine with Ugin's rise, the sleeper cells will activate and we'll start seeing things get even weirder. Ugin would probably put that plan on the back burner for a bit though to deal with the greater threat of the Eldrazi since he seems to be effective at triage but I can't imagine he won't come back to Tarkir and settle some things.
I wouldn't be surprised if the KTK clans make a come back if we ever return to Tarkir in the future.
Are you seriously suggesting that genocide is a form of good governance?
Do... do you want a Godwin to the face? How about just a Tasigur? Humans (especially political leaders with absolute power) are self interested all the time.
I'm not sure I follow this line of thinking. There's no reason at all to assume that the dragon lords are sociopaths narcissists, in fact we've seen them have interests beyond themselves. This isn't the Austrian School of Economics, you can't declare something true and then argue that reality is wrong when its shown to be false.
And regardless of whether humans were better off with or without dragons, the fact of the matter is that the plane was dying without Ugin. Now it's not. And I think it's seeing things a bit too myopically through a human-lens to say that humans are really any worse off under the dragons than they were under the khans. The circumstances are different, but comparable.
In any case, can we just flush and move on already? The stink is making my eyes water.
They have tree that are not kin tree. They live in a desert after all.
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Deserts have almost no trees. Besides, it does look a lot like a kin-tree.
...thats why they have their own trees, they provide shade and food among other resources.
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That wasn't really clear from your original comment IMHO. Anyway, that still doesn't change the fact that the tree on top of that fortress looks suspiciously like a kin-tree, which can probably be chalked up to an artist mistake.
Well, when the story is written specifically to fill the needs of the block structure, its going to suck. They didn't tell this story because it was a great idea that they wanted to flesh out, they told it because blocks are going to 2 sets, and Khans block will serve as the transition (as Khans and Fate Reforged are drafted together, and Fate and Dragons will be, simulating 2 set blocks). They needed a story reason to justify the wonky draft structure, and came up with time travel, then went from there.
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Using Tasigur is a poor example. He was only the Khan of the Sultai in name. I specifically left out the Sultai in my previous arguments, because their rulership didn't change in concept. In KTK they were ruled by the Rakshasa, although a bit more subtly, now they are ruled by Silumgar, openly. Same thing, different name.
For the other clans though, it's different, as Smokestack has pointed out.
The mass murder was also part of their governing.
Bravo, you're using a member of the clan that was the blueprint for dragon rule as an example. Sultai under both Sidisi and Taisigur is what current Tarkir is under dragon rule - a world centred entirely on the ones that rule.[/quote]
But you have been arguing that human(oid) rules are fundamentally not self interested and thus better than dragons. Obviously humanoids can be self interested.
Okay, now you seem to be assuming that altruism is a uniquely human trait. Dromoka banned necromancy out of concern for the spirits that the Abzan were binding. We've even seen Ojutai work to make people's lives better.
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This timeline isn't in any sense better for the people of Tarkir than the old one. It's only "better" coz Ugin ain't dead and might be able to help stop the Eldrazis from nomnom'ing on the multiverse.
Anyway inter faction wars are still a thing (sarkan did noted how the clans did not war against each other to fight dragons.
Also are we forgetting that sarkhan killed his own men for a pyrhic victory?
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Sarkhan is the only one who seems to think that this future is entirely better, and he's always been nuts even before going "insane".
It's a net gain for the multiverse because Ugin still lives, but it's something of a tragedy for the non-dragon people of Tarkir.
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Sarkhan's whole shtick was "People are awful, Dragons should be in charge, then no one would be at war." The only thing that changed, though, is who the leaders are. The war is just as strong as ever because the force that drove it was never actually "we're bored, let's fight."
So basically many of the former Abzan will serve Dromoka but only out of necessity and survival. Otherwise they still keep to the old beliefs despite Dromoka's efforts.
I thought he believed that the dragons made people stronger, because they had to adapt. He preferred the way it was under Ugin, a balance between Khans and dragons. The clans had to work together somewhat to fight the dragons, and neither side would ever gain an advantage. He hated the corruption and weakness of the clans in his timeline's Tarkir.
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That's not quite accurate. "Secretly" and "executed" are the key bits here. They serve Dromoka out of fear of being executed, while serving her, they secretly still worship their ancestors.
That is giving him too much credit, I'm afraid. He legitimately only did this because he thinks dragons should rule.
And it really is only his opinion that the people are stronger now. If there's one thing all the flavor text and guides tell us it's that every non-humanoid is a mewling weakling servant to the dragons now. In Tarkir, you had really powerful humanoids that were constantly at war.
Hell, in Fate Reforged's timeline, we see humanoids are fricking tired of dragons and fighting them was driving them to extinction. It was a battle for survival and Yasova echoed this to Sarkhan, who shrugged it off with "DRAGONS MAKE YOU BETTER!!111!!!!eleven!!!"
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I honestly don't chalk up the general inconsistency of the flavour to limitations imposed by Wizards' card development department. The main issue is that the designers/writers are sloppy. Could be they haven't got enough time to flesh the story out, but it's not extremely difficult to make sure your plot holes are plugged and that the caliber of writing's at least on par.
There are many of us who actually enjoy MTG flavour, right? If so, then Wizards should devote the requisite amount of resources to that aspect of the game. Otherwise, why not just print variations of white knight vs black knight every year?
The quality of the writing on the Narset UR was atrocious, and I was exhausted by story's end. I can't believe that the writer is/was a University Professor. The heck?
Outside of the actual quality of the writing, it would have been more enjoyable flavour-wise to have Narset realize that life under dragonlords is just as bogus as life under khans. As things stand, everything just sits in a weird haze of mediocrity, and if Ugin is somehow brought in to resolve the situation and re-introduce "balance", the whole block would have just been a woefully pointless back-and-forth.
I can understand not liking the story but I've seen some seriously bad writing. I've had to read it. That didn't even crack the top 10 worst stories I've ever read. Seriously go back and find the uncharted realms about the nymphs and naiads of Theros and then come and talk to me.
And let me make this clear, Narset was NOT fine with what Ojutai did. Just because she didn't immediately start acting out and go on a roaring rampage of revenge does not mean she was fine. She was conflicted. Very much so in fact. You have to understand, in this timeline, Narset grew up in what amounts to a repressive regime. Ojutai as this great master teacher is all she's ever known and to her, that's exactly what he's been! I don't know if you realize just how true Narset's interactions with Ojutai are for a martial artist. You do NOT go against the teachings of your instructor. It's just not done in the martial arts world. In Japanese martial arts Sensei doesn't just mean teacher, it's full import leans very close toward parent! I'd imagine this is even more so in Chinese martial arts culture where Confucian thinking places loyalty to one's family as of utmost importance. It's part of the same logic as to why, even though he wanted him to have it, the red-panda teacher in Kung Fu panda couldn't go against his master to give the dragon scroll to the leopard, his adopted son.
The realization of what Ojutai did and Narset's break with him wasn't something she just up and did. That cognitive dissonance is something she struggled with for a long while and even though she left at the end of the story for her first planeswalk, I didn't get the sense she was actually over what she learned. Hence the obsession with digging up the information. Also remember, blue doesn't act quickly and blue/white acts GLACIALLY! Narset is going to end up spending ALOT of time on this problem before she decides how to handle her feelings about her old master.
Which begs the question if Ugin has any kind of power over the dragons of Tarkir considering they are born out of his magic?
Do the other dragons even know him and respect and listen to him? I imagine he is capable of beating any of the dragonlords in a confrontation.
And lastly does Ugin even care about all this?
That said, the changes for the worse thing is, again, something I've said before IS a time travel trope all its own and usually those changes are ironic. You have the Ojutai, the clan of knowledge and cunning who only know a false history of Tarkir and are beholden to a being who, unbeknownst to them, actively limits their knowledge.
You have the Atarka, aligned with a color combination that values wildness, freedom and savage power who've actually been tamed and struggle to subsist next to there dragons. You have the clan of nature and they are hunting their food supply to extinction. I can't wait to see the other ones to see what ironic changes have hit the other clans.
And getting back on topic, the seeds of rebellion have been sowed in all the clans in one way shape or form. I imagine with Ugin's rise, the sleeper cells will activate and we'll start seeing things get even weirder. Ugin would probably put that plan on the back burner for a bit though to deal with the greater threat of the Eldrazi since he seems to be effective at triage but I can't imagine he won't come back to Tarkir and settle some things.
Well, we're gonna need an excuse for Return to Tarkir 5-10 yrs down the pipeline....
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I wouldn't be surprised if the KTK clans make a come back if we ever return to Tarkir in the future.