Speaking for that, is that any confirmation that Ugin will get a planeswalker card rather than a creature card? I'd love to see Ugin as Legendary Creature - Elder Dragon.
Speaking for that, is that any confirmation that Ugin will get a planeswalker card rather than a creature card? I'd love to see Ugin as Legendary Creature - Elder Dragon.
Except we've all pretty well gone into the reasons why he wouldn't be an Elder Dragon.
And yes, he would definitely be a planeswalker.
Well, teferi did get "dissected" by Bolas during their skirmish and he was still able to piece himself together. That doesn't feel ageless to me.
Immortal means that they couldn't die. Not that they are merely hard to kill.
Just look at the list of casualties coming off both Time Spiral and Apocalypse. Walkers died all the time.
Plus, when was the time Bolas had the spark? He seemed to be a walker since the elders fought.
He ascended when the spell that created the Elder Land Wurms was cast.
I am just putting it out there but could there possibly be a chance that Ugin is Piru. It says that they are both colorless dragons and that both of them were her lesser or elder dragons. It is just a theory. Like Ugin is the ghost of Piru.
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I am just putting it out there but could there possibly be a chance that Ugin is Piru. It says that they are both colorless dragons and that both of them were her lesser or elder dragons. It is just a theory. Like Ugin is the ghost of Piru.
Uh... Piru was female and Ugin is male.
I... I really don't see how that's likely based entirely on that.
Aside from that, Ugin isn't confirmed as a lesser elder or anything. He's a Spirit Dragon. Nothing more.
I'm very interested to see things play out between Bolas and Ugin. Obviously there's a chance Ugin could have been a surviving Elder Dragon and that was one of the reasons Bolas fought and killed him, but more importantly I hope this sheds some light on the early days of the multiverse. This is definitely a rare opportunity for creative to start filling in some of these holes; you can't really do time travel stories too often.
But they're only going back 1000 years. That isn't even reaching as far back as the Ice Age.
That is one-thousand years in the timeline of Tarkir, not Dominaria, and it would be a severe strain on suspension of disbelief for time to flow at the same rate across all planes of the multiverse.
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But they're only going back 1000 years. That isn't even reaching as far back as the Ice Age.
That is one-thousand years in the timeline of Tarkir, not Dominaria, and it would be a severe strain on suspension of disbelief for time to flow at the same rate across all planes of the multiverse.
Well too bad for you then because thats how the time flow works in magic does. Creative says that it would create too many issues otherwise.
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Ugin is some form of Bolas' spirit incarnate, ala after his death/defeat in Madara or maybe more unlikely his defeat at the Maelstrom? Just an idea that popped into my head.
But they're only going back 1000 years. That isn't even reaching as far back as the Ice Age.
That is one-thousand years in the timeline of Tarkir, not Dominaria, and it would be a severe strain on suspension of disbelief for time to flow at the same rate across all planes of the multiverse.
The Ice Age was four thousand years ago in Dominaria. The Elder Dragon War was somewhere around 25,000 to 20,000 years ago.
One thing is planes with slightly different time flow rates; another is time in one place pacing 4x quicker/slower than the other, and twenty times over is overkill and would make planeswalking much differently than what we have now. It would be more like Narnia than anything else.
But they're only going back 1000 years. That isn't even reaching as far back as the Ice Age.
That is one-thousand years in the timeline of Tarkir, not Dominaria, and it would be a severe strain on suspension of disbelief for time to flow at the same rate across all planes of the multiverse.
As the other two have pointed out, they are NOT having time flow differently on other planes. It would void the entire narrative if the planes did not share a collective time since the main characters in the storyline are Planeswalkers.
Barinellos...you seem to think you have to bring the entire story back 30,000 years just to have an extremely old character show up (Ugin) and explain what happened before the Dominaria storyline. The point is this block is dealing with the past, not every block can do that.
Couldnt he be an elder dragon that simply never participated in the wars? I mean the multiverse is massive. Bolas and the rest might of not even known about him. Anyways there to be a reason Bolas wanted him dead and him being an Elder Dragon is a good one.
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Couldnt he be an elder dragon that simply never participated in the wars? I mean the multiverse is massive. Bolas and the rest might of not even known about him. Anyways there to be a reason Bolas wanted him dead and him being an Elder Dragon is a good one.
Didn't happen. There were no bystanders in the Elder Dragon War. The thing was MASSIVE and spanned the entirety of their empire.
Though it wasn't even the Elder Dragons that ended the war, it was the worldspell that made ALL but a handful of the Elders into the Elder Land Wurms.
Now that Ugin's card has been revealed, does it lend any credibility to the idea that he may be an elder dragon? His abilities are extremely powerful, and his third ability is the polar opposite of Bolas' third ability.
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I'm beginning to think that Ugin IS Nicol Bolas. Some kind of separation of personalities or something. Light side / dark side kind of thing, and the dark side won.
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But that card was also when he was a creature rather than a walker.
And yes, he would definitely be a planeswalker.
Plus, when was the time Bolas had the spark? He seemed to be a walker since the elders fought.
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Just look at the list of casualties coming off both Time Spiral and Apocalypse. Walkers died all the time.
He ascended when the spell that created the Elder Land Wurms was cast.
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Uh... Piru was female and Ugin is male.
I... I really don't see how that's likely based entirely on that.
Aside from that, Ugin isn't confirmed as a lesser elder or anything. He's a Spirit Dragon. Nothing more.
Thanks for the tidbit of info.
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That is one-thousand years in the timeline of Tarkir, not Dominaria, and it would be a severe strain on suspension of disbelief for time to flow at the same rate across all planes of the multiverse.
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Well too bad for you then because thats how the time flow works in magic does. Creative says that it would create too many issues otherwise.
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The Ice Age was four thousand years ago in Dominaria. The Elder Dragon War was somewhere around 25,000 to 20,000 years ago.
One thing is planes with slightly different time flow rates; another is time in one place pacing 4x quicker/slower than the other, and twenty times over is overkill and would make planeswalking much differently than what we have now. It would be more like Narnia than anything else.
As the other two have pointed out, they are NOT having time flow differently on other planes. It would void the entire narrative if the planes did not share a collective time since the main characters in the storyline are Planeswalkers.
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Though it wasn't even the Elder Dragons that ended the war, it was the worldspell that made ALL but a handful of the Elders into the Elder Land Wurms.
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“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
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