The new Commanders made me back to old story of Nine Titans, and storys said that when Urza attack Phyrexia with other eight walkers, Tevesh Szat betray them and killed Daria and Kristina of the Woods, althrough he himself was killed by Urza immediately.
But it comes to question, this incident was before The Mending and all of them were Oldwalkers, they re difficult to be completely killed, isn't it? But the story let them just died in this way...So it means that Teves is much more prowerful than those poor girls and Urza is much more than Teves? I can't accept this...
And I saw a saying goes that Freyalise once has been killed by Teves when she was 20, does it really happen? How was that? and how did she lose her one eye?
Of course Teves powerful than that two. The thing is, an oldwalker couldn't be easily killed(as I know?) Urza has behead by Gerrard, and Bolas has BOOOOOOOOOOOOM but they both survive because they re oldwalkers. The website I read said that it's nearly no way to competely kill a oldwalker, maybe you can defeat them, but not kill them,they re Indestructible...
Of course Teves powerful than that two. The thing is, an oldwalker couldn't be easily killed(as I know?) Urza has behead by Gerrard, and Bolas has BOOOOOOOOOOOOM but they both survive because they re oldwalkers. The website I read said that it's nearly no way to competely kill a oldwalker, maybe you can defeat them, but not kill them,they re Indestructible...
And yet, oldwalkers died all the time!
Feroz was killed in a mere laboratory accident involving a fire elemental he was studying. Serra was killed by a common thief (who maybe was also a planeswalker), mainly because she didn't let her body heal itself out of grief (she loved Feroz).
Nicol Bolas killed an unnamed ancient demonic leviathan planeswalker. Later he also killed Ugin and Leshrac.
Yawgmoth, still mostly human, caused the death of Dyfed (by using a powerstone blade in her skull), keeping her alive only to study her - Rebecc found Dyfed in this state and removed the blade to let her die (I think, like Serra, Dyfed chose to let herself die out of trauma).
Later, Yawgmoth, in his powerful cloud-of-death form, killed Commodore Guff and Bo Levar.
Urza, when he went mad in Phyrexia, killed Taysir in the same way he did to Szat.
Jeska, Freyalise, and Windgrace sacrificed themselves to seal rifts during Time Spiral.
You can't really use "Urza and Bolas have survived dying" as proof that no oldwalker can die, as those two are far and above the strongest two walkers in existence. Daria and Kristina were walkers, but not god-level.
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I remember in the book szat totally incinerate Daria or Kristina instantly. The regeneratation of planeswalker relays on their brain's function. As long as they can think, they can regenerate. If brain is destroyed they can not think so they are died. Planeswalker = zombie? Szat killed the other walker by bite their head. I remember his fangs pierce her Brian causing the death. Urza killed two of the titans by electric shock to preventing them from thinking.
I remember in the book szat totally incinerate Daria or Kristina instantly. The regeneratation of planeswalker relays on their brain's function. As long as they can think, they can regenerate. If brain is destroyed they can not think so they are died. Planeswalker = zombie? Szat killed the other walker by bite their head. I remember his fangs pierce her Brian causing the death. Urza killed two of the titans by electric shock to preventing them from thinking.
A widely accepted explanation was Zazdor's CenCon - Center of Consciousness theory. For most of the walkers, it was their brain, even in their new energetic form. Yawgmoth paralyzed Dyfed by letting a machine physically scramble her brains - all her power was expended on regeneating the brain.
Kristina of the Woods was caught in the energy bolts from Szat's titan and annihilated so fast and so surprisingly that she did not have time to regenerate. Daria was bitten through the head by Szat's dragon maw, and with the brain disrupted, she again failed to regenerate.
And as Dhy states, Urza's kill rubric in the titan engines worked so that it shot zillions of needles (electrodes) into Taysir and Szat's body and basically electrocuting them, making them unable of thinking and concentrating on anything.
Urza's case is special, a combination of his CenCon in the brain, two powerstones imbued by Glacian's dormant spark and the special "soul-cutting halberd" that effectively destroyed part of his very being but left him alive, though diminished.
And Bolas...well, this is McGough ex machina. I think that Bolas was meant to die in Legends II, but they made this excuse to bring him back - and who shall have the ability to persevere as a pure "soul" other than a member of one of the mightiest creatures in Multiverse even before ascending? There is much left untold about the nature of the Elders, so we must again accept that his lineage makes him also a special type of planeswalker.
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I'm going to go with: Because its impossible to write a remotely coherent story when your characters are nigh-omnipotent bodiless demigods so the writers just ignored that was needed.
I'm going to go with: Because its impossible to write a remotely coherent story when your characters are nigh-omnipotent bodiless demigods so the writers just ignored that was needed.
Wow, how clever of you.
And ignoring the fact that back in the days they actually held to some rules and the stories made sense is the cleverest move of you
Why we even bother ourselves to use our knowledge to explain anything to the guy who asked with lore-backed examples... when the solution is right inf front of us - you totally owned us all.
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I'm going to go with: Because its impossible to write a remotely coherent story when your characters are nigh-omnipotent bodiless demigods so the writers just ignored that was needed.
I know there is a TV trope for this, but I can't find it! This is how I feel about all the old Magic stories.
I'm going to go with: Because its impossible to write a remotely coherent story when your characters are nigh-omnipotent bodiless demigods so the writers just ignored that was needed.
I know there is a TV trope for this, but I can't find it! This is how I feel about all the old Magic stories.
Old Walkers are a lot like cosmic characters in comics (Green Lantern, Silver Surfer, Quasar). I like them and I get why nerds like to bend over backward to justify how their powers are consistent from story to story (I do that with comics characters) but ultimately their limits are metafictional, they're not allowed to break the story.
As I noted elsewhere, I think the power and possibilities of "oldwalkers" have grown to mythic proportions since the Time Spiral block. Planeswalkers could always die (either murdered like Feroz or Serra or Liana or Faralyn). Some (Altair) had their sparks contained. Some (Taysir) were banned from planes despite their mighty powers. While the massive deaths of Planeswalkers in the Invasion trilogy was perhaps unnecessarily board-wiping, it was within a Planeswalker's power.
Caranthir mentioned the CenCon (center of consciousness), which we (from the MtGNews boards) always took to be a center of consciousness (but I always maintained Urza's was in his eyes, while most other 'walkers maintained their CenCons in their brains, where a human expected thought to be). Regardless, if a Planeswalker was disrupted mentally enough, he or she could be obliterated.
As for Freyalise's look. In a conversation I had with Geoff Gomez (who headed the Armada comics in the 1990s) over a decade ago revealed that Freyalise was to sport the eyepatch in the never-released Planeswalker War (on Corondor) series. I think it's a wonderful nod to previous eras to see Freyalise depicted as such in the Invasion cycle.
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As I noted elsewhere, I think the power and possibilities of "oldwalkers" have grown to mythic proportions since the Time Spiral block. Planeswalkers could always die (either murdered like Feroz or Serra or Liana or Faralyn). Some (Altair) had their sparks contained. Some (Taysir) were banned from planes despite their mighty powers. While the massive deaths of Planeswalkers in the Invasion trilogy was perhaps unnecessarily board-wiping, it was within a Planeswalker's power.
Caranthir mentioned the CenCon (center of consciousness), which we (from the MtGNews boards) always took to be a center of consciousness (but I always maintained Urza's was in his eyes, while most other 'walkers maintained their CenCons in their brains, where a human expected thought to be). Regardless, if a Planeswalker was disrupted mentally enough, he or she could be obliterated.
As for Freyalise's look. In a conversation I had with Geoff Gomez (who headed the Armada comics in the 1990s) over a decade ago revealed that Freyalise was to sport the eyepatch in the never-released Planeswalker War (on Corondor) series. I think it's a wonderful nod to previous eras to see Freyalise depicted as such in the Invasion cycle.
On the other hand, it would be great to see her in her Strogard & Summit of the Null Moon attire, since she was described in the same way in the Ice Age block novels Red "reed" armor, long blonde hair, stonefeather cape & all But it was quite clear they are gonna go with the Planeswalker's Favor & Pernicious Deed appearance, that is at least somewhat familiar to people.
Wasnt there a phyrexian in the slow time bubble that tried to kill urza by scrambling his conscienceness? Old walkers could be killed by pretty anybody with the knowledge of how to do it. They were bad ass, but not unstoppable.
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But it comes to question, this incident was before The Mending and all of them were Oldwalkers, they re difficult to be completely killed, isn't it? But the story let them just died in this way...So it means that Teves is much more prowerful than those poor girls and Urza is much more than Teves? I can't accept this...
And I saw a saying goes that Freyalise once has been killed by Teves when she was 20, does it really happen? How was that? and how did she lose her one eye?
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Of course Teves powerful than that two. The thing is, an oldwalker couldn't be easily killed(as I know?) Urza has behead by Gerrard, and Bolas has BOOOOOOOOOOOOM but they both survive because they re oldwalkers. The website I read said that it's nearly no way to competely kill a oldwalker, maybe you can defeat them, but not kill them,they re Indestructible...
And yet, oldwalkers died all the time!
Feroz was killed in a mere laboratory accident involving a fire elemental he was studying. Serra was killed by a common thief (who maybe was also a planeswalker), mainly because she didn't let her body heal itself out of grief (she loved Feroz).
Nicol Bolas killed an unnamed ancient demonic leviathan planeswalker. Later he also killed Ugin and Leshrac.
Yawgmoth, still mostly human, caused the death of Dyfed (by using a powerstone blade in her skull), keeping her alive only to study her - Rebecc found Dyfed in this state and removed the blade to let her die (I think, like Serra, Dyfed chose to let herself die out of trauma).
Later, Yawgmoth, in his powerful cloud-of-death form, killed Commodore Guff and Bo Levar.
Urza, when he went mad in Phyrexia, killed Taysir in the same way he did to Szat.
Jeska, Freyalise, and Windgrace sacrificed themselves to seal rifts during Time Spiral.
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A widely accepted explanation was Zazdor's CenCon - Center of Consciousness theory. For most of the walkers, it was their brain, even in their new energetic form. Yawgmoth paralyzed Dyfed by letting a machine physically scramble her brains - all her power was expended on regeneating the brain.
Kristina of the Woods was caught in the energy bolts from Szat's titan and annihilated so fast and so surprisingly that she did not have time to regenerate. Daria was bitten through the head by Szat's dragon maw, and with the brain disrupted, she again failed to regenerate.
And as Dhy states, Urza's kill rubric in the titan engines worked so that it shot zillions of needles (electrodes) into Taysir and Szat's body and basically electrocuting them, making them unable of thinking and concentrating on anything.
Urza's case is special, a combination of his CenCon in the brain, two powerstones imbued by Glacian's dormant spark and the special "soul-cutting halberd" that effectively destroyed part of his very being but left him alive, though diminished.
And Bolas...well, this is McGough ex machina. I think that Bolas was meant to die in Legends II, but they made this excuse to bring him back - and who shall have the ability to persevere as a pure "soul" other than a member of one of the mightiest creatures in Multiverse even before ascending? There is much left untold about the nature of the Elders, so we must again accept that his lineage makes him also a special type of planeswalker.
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Wow, how clever of you.
And ignoring the fact that back in the days they actually held to some rules and the stories made sense is the cleverest move of you
Why we even bother ourselves to use our knowledge to explain anything to the guy who asked with lore-backed examples... when the solution is right inf front of us - you totally owned us all.
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I know there is a TV trope for this, but I can't find it! This is how I feel about all the old Magic stories.
As Strong As They Need to Be or Holding Back the Phlebotinum?
Also Rule of Cool.
Old Walkers are a lot like cosmic characters in comics (Green Lantern, Silver Surfer, Quasar). I like them and I get why nerds like to bend over backward to justify how their powers are consistent from story to story (I do that with comics characters) but ultimately their limits are metafictional, they're not allowed to break the story.
As I noted elsewhere, I think the power and possibilities of "oldwalkers" have grown to mythic proportions since the Time Spiral block. Planeswalkers could always die (either murdered like Feroz or Serra or Liana or Faralyn). Some (Altair) had their sparks contained. Some (Taysir) were banned from planes despite their mighty powers. While the massive deaths of Planeswalkers in the Invasion trilogy was perhaps unnecessarily board-wiping, it was within a Planeswalker's power.
Caranthir mentioned the CenCon (center of consciousness), which we (from the MtGNews boards) always took to be a center of consciousness (but I always maintained Urza's was in his eyes, while most other 'walkers maintained their CenCons in their brains, where a human expected thought to be). Regardless, if a Planeswalker was disrupted mentally enough, he or she could be obliterated.
As for Freyalise's look. In a conversation I had with Geoff Gomez (who headed the Armada comics in the 1990s) over a decade ago revealed that Freyalise was to sport the eyepatch in the never-released Planeswalker War (on Corondor) series. I think it's a wonderful nod to previous eras to see Freyalise depicted as such in the Invasion cycle.
On the other hand, it would be great to see her in her Strogard & Summit of the Null Moon attire, since she was described in the same way in the Ice Age block novels Red "reed" armor, long blonde hair, stonefeather cape & all But it was quite clear they are gonna go with the Planeswalker's Favor & Pernicious Deed appearance, that is at least somewhat familiar to people.
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btw,I‘ve noticed your signature picture, does that guy in the middle is Venser,too? How can I find the complete photograph?