Sarkhan laments that dragons are now extinct on Tarkir, and many players are speculating that he shall attempt to revive them, but I wonder: why does he not simply bring dragons from another plane to Tarkir? That would solve the problem, would it not? Or is it that those dragons would not be native to Tarkir, and thus, only poor replacements for its indigenous population?
Also, why, exactly, does Sarkhan wish to revive the dragons of Tarkir? That seems to be a very unintelligent course of action, to me. The extinction of dragons is what allowed humans and similar sentient races to become the dominant beings of Tarkir, so wishing to revive dragons would be akin to the scientists in Jurassic Park reviving the dinosaurs; in actuality, it is no coincidence that humans did not evolve until well after the dinosaurs had gone extinct, and the revival of the dinosaurs would be a severe threat to humanity. Similarly, the revival of dragons would be a serve threat to all other major races of Tarkir, unless the dragons are sentient themselves and can be reasoned with. Since Sarkhan was on Zendikar, he should be aware of Nissa's freeing of the Eldrazi, and the unspeakable danger into which that action has placed the entire multiverse, so he would be committing a very similar act if he revived the dragons of Tarkir.
What does everyone else say about this? Why has Sarkhan not brought dragons (or dragon eggs) from another plan to Tarkir, and why does he even wish to revive them, at all, knowing that doing so shall endanger all the humanoid races (including himself)?
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and why does he even wish to revive them, at all, knowing that doing so shall endanger all the humanoid races (including himself)?
Because he does not "know" that. Simple as that.
He believes this is a good thing. Yes, maybe many humanoids will die, but the surviving ones will grow stronger in those conditions.
You fail to realize Sarkhan is red, with a bit of green and/or black. He is not even vaguely white (not even when he was Mardu). Look at what he did to its own troops right before planeswalking for the first time, and he liked it!
And Sarkhan of all people certainly isn't endangered by the dragons at all. He can walk around in Jund and can command its hellkites at will, even Karrthus himself. Tarkir would still be less of a murderworld than that.
I guess Sarkhan's desire to revive them is driven by his green side, with some red. Anger at the humans for killing them off, red; rooting out the ****wits like Zurgo to make the clans stronger, green.
Also, why, exactly, does Sarkhan wish to revive the dragons of Tarkir? That seems to be a very unintelligent course of action, to me. The extinction of dragons is what allowed humans and similar sentient races to become the dominant beings of Tarkir, so wishing to revive dragons would be akin to the scientists in Jurassic Park reviving the dinosaurs; in actuality, it is no coincidence that humans did not evolve until well after the dinosaurs had gone extinct, and the revival of the dinosaurs would be a severe threat to humanity. Similarly, the revival of dragons would be a serve threat to all other major races of Tarkir, unless the dragons are sentient themselves and can be reasoned with. Since Sarkhan was on Zendikar, he should be aware of Nissa's freeing of the Eldrazi, and the unspeakable danger into which that action has placed the entire multiverse, so he would be committing a very similar act if he revived the dragons of Tarkir.
Sarkhan worships dragons as gods remember and so far all dragons have been a disappointment to Sarkhan either too weak/stupid (on Jund) or too intellectual (Bolas). He really doesn't care if the dragons kill everyone because they are perfect beings (a notion he picked up on Tarkir so I guess he thinks Tarkir dragons will be better). Likely he wouldn't care if they kill him.
You cannot bring a non-planeswalker through the blind eternities, the spark only temporarily protects its host.
Is that the answer to my question, I presume? Is that why Sarkhan has not brought dragons from other planes to Tarkir?
And what about the second half of my question? Is Sarkhan trying to drive humans and the other races of Tarkir into extinction?
Yes it is. He literally cannot. Planeswalkers cannot carry living things without a spark through the blind eternities. Summoned spells are more like forging Aether into an instance of, in this case, dragon-ness.
As for bringing back the dragons for Tarkir's story line there is no indication that that is his goal. So far what we know is that Sarkhan is being lead by the spirit of Ugin to his time warping remains. This is literally all we know so far. Everything else is speculation based on other info we've been given. We know that Ugin is dead, killed by Bolas about 1000 years ago. We also know that around this same time the elemental storms that gave birth to Tarkir dragons stopped. We know that Sorin is looking for Ugin in order to help fight or seal the Eldrazi again. All of this combines to lead us to the idea that Sarkhan and Sorin will be going back 1000 years to save Ugin from Bolas so that in the future they can stop the Eldrazi. This would also hypothetically change the timeline of Tarkir so that the dragons are still alive. The goal is not the revival of the dragons but, perhaps in Sarkhans opinion, a happy, unintended side-effect.
The goal is not the revival of the dragons but, perhaps in Sarkhans opinion, a happy, unintended side-effect.
I'm pretty sure Sarkhan's goals have nothing to do with stopping the Eldrazi. Right now his biggest motivator is making the voices in his head shut up.
The goal is not the revival of the dragons but, perhaps in Sarkhans opinion, a happy, unintended side-effect.
I'm pretty sure Sarkhan's goals have nothing to do with stopping the Eldrazi. Right now his biggest motivator is making the voices in his head shut up.
I didn't say he cared. But the voice in his head beckoning him back in time does.
All of this combines to lead us to the idea that Sarkhan and Sorin will be going back 1000 years to save Ugin from Bolas so that in the future they can stop the Eldrazi. This would also hypothetically change the timeline of Tarkir so that the dragons are still alive. The goal is not the revival of the dragons but, perhaps in Sarkhans opinion, a happy, unintended side-effect.
There is, so far, no actual indication that Sorin will be going with Sarkhan, and in fact, stronger reasons to believe that he is totally unaware of the A plot that is going on while he is on his B plot. Sorin's reasons for being on Tarkir do not mesh with the story that is being told ON Tarkir.
... I'm just getting really tired of people thinking this is going to turn into Sarkhan and Sorin's Excellent Adventure when they've had no lead to each other at all. Everyone remembers how useful he was in finding Avacyn, after all, right?
Sorin has his own plot. He is not involved in Tarkir's. It is a fallacy to connect the two without evidence.
There is, so far, no actual indication that Sorin will be going with Sarkhan, and in fact, stronger reasons to believe that he is totally unaware of the A plot that is going on while he is on his B plot. Sorin's reasons for being on Tarkir do not mesh with the story that is being told ON Tarkir.
... I'm just getting really tired of people thinking this is going to turn into Sarkhan and Sorin's Excellent Adventure when they've had no lead to each other at all. Everyone remembers how useful he was in finding Avacyn, after all, right?
Sorin has his own plot. He is not involved in Tarkir's. It is a fallacy to connect the two without evidence.
Yes, that true, but I highly doubt that their appearing together in the same set is a coincidence, and I also doubt that WotC would have them arrive on Tarkir at approximately the same time if they did not intend for their paths to cross; there is no way that WotC shall waste such a great potential storyline by having Sarkhan and Sorin never meet, especially when their goals actually overlap, even if they themselves do not yet realize it.
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“Those who would trade their freedoms for security will have neither.”-Benjamin Franklin
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
Yes, that true, but I highly doubt that their appearing together in the same set is a coincidence, and I also doubt that WotC would have them arrive on Tarkir at approximately the same time if they did not intend for their paths to cross; there is no way that WotC shall waste such a great potential storyline by having Sarkhan and Sorin never meet, especially when their goals actually overlap, even if they themselves do not yet realize it.
There's actually nothing to tell us that the two arrived at approximately the same time. After all, Sorin and Chandra were both in Zendikar, but a half a year had elapsed between the two showing up. Heck, Sarkhan and Chandra were on Zendikar at the same time, but had a set in between them.
Sorin has his own methods that I doubt Sarkhan would agree with.
But aside from that, Sarkhan is being directly guided by Ugin. Sorin is none the wiser for what actually happened, much less how to operate Ugin's Nexus.... which is actually another piece of that, since it shows Sarkhan and Sarkhan alone at the Nexus.
and why does he even wish to revive them, at all, knowing that doing so shall endanger all the humanoid races (including himself)?
Because he does not "know" that. Simple as that.
He believes this is a good thing. Yes, maybe many humanoids will die, but the surviving ones will grow stronger in those conditions.
You fail to realize Sarkhan is red, with a bit of green and/or black. He is not even vaguely white (not even when he was Mardu). Look at what he did to its own troops right before planeswalking for the first time, and he liked it! that.
I am pretty sure wrathing a battlefield isn't an argument against someone being white I am not saying he is necessarily white but yeah.
Sarkhan laments that dragons are now extinct on Tarkir, and many players are speculating that he shall attempt to revive them, but I wonder: why does he not simply bring dragons from another plane to Tarkir? That would solve the problem, would it not? Or is it that those dragons would not be native to Tarkir, and thus, only poor replacements for its indigenous population?
Also, why, exactly, does Sarkhan wish to revive the dragons of Tarkir? That seems to be a very unintelligent course of action, to me. The extinction of dragons is what allowed humans and similar sentient races to become the dominant beings of Tarkir, so wishing to revive dragons would be akin to the scientists in Jurassic Park reviving the dinosaurs; in actuality, it is no coincidence that humans did not evolve until well after the dinosaurs had gone extinct, and the revival of the dinosaurs would be a severe threat to humanity.
Hahaha, what. Don't believe what movies and cinema is telling you, reviving dinosaurs will have a negligible effect on humanity. Most dinosaurs would actually require our aid to survive because otherwise they'd perish in today's climate, would starve, because the ecosystem is fundamentally different than during the mesocoic or would simply die off, because of space issues. (A healthy population of the larger dinosaur species would require a huge area to feed.)
The only dinosaur species that would survive are those that are closest related to birds anyway, which we already have enough of. There may be a few of those that turn out to be invasive species, but they'd be by no means a threat to humanity, let a alone a severe one.
There is, so far, no actual indication that Sorin will be going with Sarkhan, and in fact, stronger reasons to believe that he is totally unaware of the A plot that is going on while he is on his B plot. Sorin's reasons for being on Tarkir do not mesh with the story that is being told ON Tarkir.
... I'm just getting really tired of people thinking this is going to turn into Sarkhan and Sorin's Excellent Adventure when they've had no lead to each other at all. Everyone remembers how useful he was in finding Avacyn, after all, right?
Sorin has his own plot. He is not involved in Tarkir's. It is a fallacy to connect the two without evidence.
Yes, that true, but I highly doubt that their appearing together in the same set is a coincidence, and I also doubt that WotC would have them arrive on Tarkir at approximately the same time if they did not intend for their paths to cross; there is no way that WotC shall waste such a great potential storyline by having Sarkhan and Sorin never meet, especially when their goals actually overlap, even if they themselves do not yet realize it.
Sorin was put into KTK as sort of an afterthought. At the beginning they only had one planeswalker for KTK, Sarkhan, and they wanted to have at least two planeswalkers in the set. So they approached creative and asked which planeswalker had the most reason of being on Tarkir and the obvious choice was Sorin, as he is still looking for "the gang". That's basically Sorin's entire involvement in the KTK storyline: He found a dead Ugin, had a Bitter Revelation and planeswalked off. Or in other words, he came, saw and left.
This is all we know about Sorin's time on Tarkir. There is no indication that the two of them are not on the plane at the same time. Granted there's nothing to the contrary either. it also doesn't say he left the plane. All of what I said was speculative in nature. An educated guess. I don't know how you could think that Sorin's reasons for being on Tarkir don't match up with the story being told there. He's there looking for Ugin to help deal with the Eldrazi. Sarkhan is there because Ugin's spirit is sending him there so he can save Ugin from death. Seeing as Ugin's spirit started talking to Sarkhan in the eye I'd wager it's for the fight against the Eldrazi as well. There's plenty of reason to think the two of them will work together.
I don't know how you could think that Sorin's reasons for being on Tarkir don't match up with the story being told there. He's there looking for Ugin to help deal with the Eldrazi. Sarkhan is there because Ugin's spirit is sending him there so he can save Ugin from death. Seeing as Ugin's spirit started talking to Sarkhan in the eye I'd wager it's for the fight against the Eldrazi as well. There's plenty of reason to think the two of them will work together.
Tarkir's story is about Ugin's impact on Tarkir, not on the larger multiverse. That is where Sorin comes in, but his goals have nothing to do with Tarkir.
The fact that Ugin is speaking to Sarkhan rather than Sorin says a lot as well, in addition though, is the fact that Sarkhan isn't helping Ugin to take care of the Eldrazi. Sarkhan isn't actually helping anyone, he's being harassed into action. There's no noble goal of stopping the Eldrazi.
Tarkir's story is about Ugin's impact on Tarkir, not on the larger multiverse. That is where Sorin comes in, but his goals have nothing to do with Tarkir.
The fact that Ugin is speaking to Sarkhan rather than Sorin says a lot as well, in addition though, is the fact that Sarkhan isn't helping Ugin to take care of the Eldrazi. Sarkhan isn't actually helping anyone, he's being harassed into action. There's no noble goal of stopping the Eldrazi.
What evidence do you have to be able to claim that this is about Ugin's influence on Tarkir? I've seen none. Everything I've seen coming out is leading to Ugin being resurrected so that he can help stop the Eldrazi. Yes Sarkhan has no goals concerning the Eldrazi. Unless you account for the fact that everything he's doing is at the behest of Ugin's spirit which IS concerned with the Eldrazi. Essentially Ugin's goals ARE Sarkhans goals, not because they both happen to align, but because Ugin is putting his goals directly into Sarkhan's mind.
As for Sorin and Sarkhan not meeting up; Tarkir is a big plane(hypothetically) and we've seen Ugin's Nexus, the last known place that each of them were, it's huge even by draconic standards. There's no reason that just because they didn't meet up in their respective URs that they wont in the future. Besides we've seen the future from PAX Australia. The goal seems to be to heal Ugin after the fight rather than help him fend off Bolas. Just how do you reckon Sarkhan would do such a thing? I know Sorin's not exactly known for his healing but he did create a powerful Archangel so I would presume healing is within his repertoire.
Summoning is not the same as bringing someone planeswalking with you.
There are many different explanations but the one that works better is that you're creating a copy of some creature you're familiar with, out of the AEther.
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Also, why, exactly, does Sarkhan wish to revive the dragons of Tarkir? That seems to be a very unintelligent course of action, to me. The extinction of dragons is what allowed humans and similar sentient races to become the dominant beings of Tarkir, so wishing to revive dragons would be akin to the scientists in Jurassic Park reviving the dinosaurs; in actuality, it is no coincidence that humans did not evolve until well after the dinosaurs had gone extinct, and the revival of the dinosaurs would be a severe threat to humanity. Similarly, the revival of dragons would be a serve threat to all other major races of Tarkir, unless the dragons are sentient themselves and can be reasoned with. Since Sarkhan was on Zendikar, he should be aware of Nissa's freeing of the Eldrazi, and the unspeakable danger into which that action has placed the entire multiverse, so he would be committing a very similar act if he revived the dragons of Tarkir.
What does everyone else say about this? Why has Sarkhan not brought dragons (or dragon eggs) from another plan to Tarkir, and why does he even wish to revive them, at all, knowing that doing so shall endanger all the humanoid races (including himself)?
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
I did not mean a summoning; I meant bringing a dragon physically to Tarkir, in its entirety.
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
Is that the answer to my question, I presume? Is that why Sarkhan has not brought dragons from other planes to Tarkir?
And what about the second half of my question? Is Sarkhan trying to drive humans and the other races of Tarkir into extinction?
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
Because he does not "know" that. Simple as that.
He believes this is a good thing. Yes, maybe many humanoids will die, but the surviving ones will grow stronger in those conditions.
You fail to realize Sarkhan is red, with a bit of green and/or black. He is not even vaguely white (not even when he was Mardu). Look at what he did to its own troops right before planeswalking for the first time, and he liked it!
And Sarkhan of all people certainly isn't endangered by the dragons at all. He can walk around in Jund and can command its hellkites at will, even Karrthus himself. Tarkir would still be less of a murderworld than that.
Sarkhan worships dragons as gods remember and so far all dragons have been a disappointment to Sarkhan either too weak/stupid (on Jund) or too intellectual (Bolas). He really doesn't care if the dragons kill everyone because they are perfect beings (a notion he picked up on Tarkir so I guess he thinks Tarkir dragons will be better). Likely he wouldn't care if they kill him.
Yes it is. He literally cannot. Planeswalkers cannot carry living things without a spark through the blind eternities. Summoned spells are more like forging Aether into an instance of, in this case, dragon-ness.
As for bringing back the dragons for Tarkir's story line there is no indication that that is his goal. So far what we know is that Sarkhan is being lead by the spirit of Ugin to his time warping remains. This is literally all we know so far. Everything else is speculation based on other info we've been given. We know that Ugin is dead, killed by Bolas about 1000 years ago. We also know that around this same time the elemental storms that gave birth to Tarkir dragons stopped. We know that Sorin is looking for Ugin in order to help fight or seal the Eldrazi again. All of this combines to lead us to the idea that Sarkhan and Sorin will be going back 1000 years to save Ugin from Bolas so that in the future they can stop the Eldrazi. This would also hypothetically change the timeline of Tarkir so that the dragons are still alive. The goal is not the revival of the dragons but, perhaps in Sarkhans opinion, a happy, unintended side-effect.
I'm pretty sure Sarkhan's goals have nothing to do with stopping the Eldrazi. Right now his biggest motivator is making the voices in his head shut up.
I didn't say he cared. But the voice in his head beckoning him back in time does.
There is, so far, no actual indication that Sorin will be going with Sarkhan, and in fact, stronger reasons to believe that he is totally unaware of the A plot that is going on while he is on his B plot. Sorin's reasons for being on Tarkir do not mesh with the story that is being told ON Tarkir.
... I'm just getting really tired of people thinking this is going to turn into Sarkhan and Sorin's Excellent Adventure when they've had no lead to each other at all. Everyone remembers how useful he was in finding Avacyn, after all, right?
Sorin has his own plot. He is not involved in Tarkir's. It is a fallacy to connect the two without evidence.
Yes, that true, but I highly doubt that their appearing together in the same set is a coincidence, and I also doubt that WotC would have them arrive on Tarkir at approximately the same time if they did not intend for their paths to cross; there is no way that WotC shall waste such a great potential storyline by having Sarkhan and Sorin never meet, especially when their goals actually overlap, even if they themselves do not yet realize it.
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
There's actually nothing to tell us that the two arrived at approximately the same time. After all, Sorin and Chandra were both in Zendikar, but a half a year had elapsed between the two showing up. Heck, Sarkhan and Chandra were on Zendikar at the same time, but had a set in between them.
Sorin has his own methods that I doubt Sarkhan would agree with.
But aside from that, Sarkhan is being directly guided by Ugin. Sorin is none the wiser for what actually happened, much less how to operate Ugin's Nexus.... which is actually another piece of that, since it shows Sarkhan and Sarkhan alone at the Nexus.
I am pretty sure wrathing a battlefield isn't an argument against someone being white I am not saying he is necessarily white but yeah.
Hahaha, what. Don't believe what movies and cinema is telling you, reviving dinosaurs will have a negligible effect on humanity. Most dinosaurs would actually require our aid to survive because otherwise they'd perish in today's climate, would starve, because the ecosystem is fundamentally different than during the mesocoic or would simply die off, because of space issues. (A healthy population of the larger dinosaur species would require a huge area to feed.)
The only dinosaur species that would survive are those that are closest related to birds anyway, which we already have enough of. There may be a few of those that turn out to be invasive species, but they'd be by no means a threat to humanity, let a alone a severe one.
Sorin was put into KTK as sort of an afterthought. At the beginning they only had one planeswalker for KTK, Sarkhan, and they wanted to have at least two planeswalkers in the set. So they approached creative and asked which planeswalker had the most reason of being on Tarkir and the obvious choice was Sorin, as he is still looking for "the gang". That's basically Sorin's entire involvement in the KTK storyline: He found a dead Ugin, had a Bitter Revelation and planeswalked off. Or in other words, he came, saw and left.
This is all we know about Sorin's time on Tarkir. There is no indication that the two of them are not on the plane at the same time. Granted there's nothing to the contrary either. it also doesn't say he left the plane. All of what I said was speculative in nature. An educated guess. I don't know how you could think that Sorin's reasons for being on Tarkir don't match up with the story being told there. He's there looking for Ugin to help deal with the Eldrazi. Sarkhan is there because Ugin's spirit is sending him there so he can save Ugin from death. Seeing as Ugin's spirit started talking to Sarkhan in the eye I'd wager it's for the fight against the Eldrazi as well. There's plenty of reason to think the two of them will work together.
The fact that Ugin is speaking to Sarkhan rather than Sorin says a lot as well, in addition though, is the fact that Sarkhan isn't helping Ugin to take care of the Eldrazi. Sarkhan isn't actually helping anyone, he's being harassed into action. There's no noble goal of stopping the Eldrazi.
What evidence do you have to be able to claim that this is about Ugin's influence on Tarkir? I've seen none. Everything I've seen coming out is leading to Ugin being resurrected so that he can help stop the Eldrazi. Yes Sarkhan has no goals concerning the Eldrazi. Unless you account for the fact that everything he's doing is at the behest of Ugin's spirit which IS concerned with the Eldrazi. Essentially Ugin's goals ARE Sarkhans goals, not because they both happen to align, but because Ugin is putting his goals directly into Sarkhan's mind.
As for Sorin and Sarkhan not meeting up; Tarkir is a big plane(hypothetically) and we've seen Ugin's Nexus, the last known place that each of them were, it's huge even by draconic standards. There's no reason that just because they didn't meet up in their respective URs that they wont in the future. Besides we've seen the future from PAX Australia. The goal seems to be to heal Ugin after the fight rather than help him fend off Bolas. Just how do you reckon Sarkhan would do such a thing? I know Sorin's not exactly known for his healing but he did create a powerful Archangel so I would presume healing is within his repertoire.
Planar portal.
Summoning is not the same as bringing someone planeswalking with you.
There are many different explanations but the one that works better is that you're creating a copy of some creature you're familiar with, out of the AEther.