Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver

  • #26
    Quote from Bracador


    I love the design and art, though. Honestly, if Ashiok is just a one-off planeswalker like Tibalt, I don't think I'd be too disappointed. I liked the design of the Dapper Devil as well.


    With that we can imagine a fashion battle. Tibalt vs Ashiok, Zoolander style.


    Quote from Unskilled Ninja

    Just a note, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite from the same set lacks breasts, so it's not like every female non-human has them.

    I'd concede to that. But with Elly here, hips don't lie. :p
  • #27
    Male, probably zombi from Theros
  • #28
    Quote from krishnath
    The sole exception to the re-usability of planeswalkers is if they kill them off in a block. (Like they did with Venser), and even that is no 100% guarantee if they feel they can tell a good enough story by bringing them back (Like Taysir in Homelands).

    It was a different administration back then. They're pretty intent on the "dead is dead" thing now.
  • #29
    Quote from Jedezter
    Male, probably zombi from Theros


    There is no doubt in my mind that Ashiok is a Returned. Check the figure on the right in this picture.

    The gender, however, is unknown. No curves, but the face is rather feminine. Unless we get some lore, I'm undecided.
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  • #30
    I really doubt it - seeing how Doug stated that
    Ashiok is not from Theros (...) Over time, Ashiok’s power has taken a physical toll. The mage’s face has fallen away to smoky shadow.

    Similiar appearance perhaps, but a completely different cause.
  • #31
    Quote from Istreddify
    I really doubt it - seeing how Doug stated that

    Similiar appearance perhaps, but a completely different cause.


    ... then Ashiok's entire design is a failure. Not only are the abilities crap, even for a UB 'walker, he/she looks exactly like an unmasked Returned?
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  • #32
    Not exactly, no - apart from the paleness, what is left of his face seems normal - not so much in the case of the Returned (they also seem to loose their ears - or have them "merged" to the skull").
  • #33
    He looks like enough of one to have me confused. Better?
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  • #34
    Quote from Syphon
    He looks like enough of one to have me confused. Better?


    That's why i think he should have been saved for a block or two in teh future. If they where so intent on pushing him into Theros, why not give him a silly hat and make him a Cabalist Dementia Summoner? Cause that's what he is. A Dementia Summoner.
    Last edited by Volrath: 9/5/2013 3:26:33 PM



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  • #35
    He summoned my dementia alright. I mean, how is he NOT a Returned?
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  • #36
    Quote from Eingya
    Agree that Ashiok sounds Indian/Middle Eastern (Hinting at a Arabian-Nights inspired set in the future? The dream-theme and stuff would also fit).

    Also the demonstration that black planeswalkers are the coolest.


    .... we've had an Arabian-Nights themed set already. It was called.... Arabian Nights.
  • #37
    Quote from Izanagi_Deus
    .... we've had an Arabian-Nights themed set already. It was called.... Arabian Nights.


    That means nothing. We've had two Ravnica sets and, after a fashion, 4 Lorwyn ones.
    Also, Seht's Tiger has to have come from somewhere.
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  • #38
    Love love LOVE the gender-neutral thing Ashiok has. Shkle looks really cool, although I don't think there's room for shklim in future blocks however. No real room for character development.
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  • #39
    Quote from Syphon
    He looks like enough of one to have me confused. Better?

    Yes ;P

    Quote from Syphon
    That means nothing. We've had two Ravnica sets and, after a fashion, 4 Lorwyn ones.

    That is a completely different thing - having a second plane with exactly the same theme is somewhat unlikely, as is a revisit in any of the ones based so directly on real world (like Arabian Nights and Portal)

    Also, Seht's Tiger has to have come from somewhere.

    From a time rift perhaps? Wink
  • #40
    Quote from Syphon
    He summoned my dementia alright. I mean, how is he NOT a Returned?


    Um, white skin as opposed to black, no mask, clothing inspired by Hindu design aesthetic, half it's head is missing yet it still has recognizable human features on what's left?


  • #41
    I kinda want an upper view, to see what's left in the head.
  • #42
    Quote from Volrath
    That's why i think he should have been saved for a block or two in teh future. If they where so intent on pushing him into Theros, why not give him a silly hat and make him a Cabalist Dementia Summoner? Cause that's what he is. A Dementia Summoner.


    Dementia Summoning is not limited to Cabalists. And only the greatest of the Dementia Summoners had a hat worth mentioning.

    brb lighting a candle for Skellum.

    Quote from Syphon
    He summoned my dementia alright. I mean, how is he NOT a Returned?


    He's not returned because it's not from the plane. I fail to see how this is difficult.

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  • #43
    Quote from Jivanmukta
    Dementia Summoning is not limited to Cabalists..


    Until now it was.



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  • #44
    Quote from Smokestack
    Um, white skin as opposed to black, no mask, clothing inspired by Hindu design aesthetic, half it's head is missing yet it still has recognizable human features on what's left?


    Again, I turn you to this picture. The guy on the right has the same pale skin, same facial blur. And I didn't look at the clothes.
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  • #45
    Quote from Volrath
    Until now it was.


    Almost positive the bad guy in The Purifying Fire was referred to as one. So assuming I'm right, there's that. Well, technically it was Dementia Caster but still. Same stuff.

    Also, it's silly to assume that somewhat vague magical abilities are restricted to specific sects in an infinite multiverse.

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  • #46
    Quote from Syphon
    Again, I turn you to this picture. The guy on the right has the same pale skin, same facial blur. And I didn't look at the clothes.


    I know that picture. Black skin, melded face. Ashiok doesn't have a face and has very pale skin.


  • #47
    Quote from Jivanmukta
    Almost positive the bad guy in The Purifying Fire was referred to as one. So assuming I'm right, there's that. Well, technically it was Dementia Caster but still. Same stuff..


    The vampire? Walbert from the Order of Heliud? (Haven't seen the similarity with Heliod before. Heh.)

    Quote from Jivanmukta
    Also, it's silly to assume that somewhat vague magical abilities are restricted to specific sects in an infinite multiverse.


    Can't wait to see a second Golem planeswalker with a collection of powerfull of artifacts inside him. Big universe and all.



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  • #48
    Quote from Barinellos
    It was a different administration back then. They're pretty intent on the "dead is dead" thing now.

    Story trumps logic. We should know this by now. Wink
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  • #49
    Quote from Smokestack
    I know that picture. Black skin, melded face. Ashiok doesn't have a face and has very pale skin.


    I don't see the black skin. It's quite light. But then again, I haven't made any art for Magic lately. (Or ever.)
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  • #50
    Quote from Link
    I'm sure other people are wondering what exactly Ashiok is. Is (s)he a Horror? A nightmare? A human or Returned with some magical deformation? I hope there's a flavor article about this.

    Sorry if this isn't in quite the right place. I wasn't sure if this should go in speculation or not.


    I think Ashiok's female. And not a Returned, just someone who's so steeped in nightmare there's been some warping. I'm fairly certain she is/was human to start with. I doubt that "human" applies any more, though. Heck, I doubt female applies any more.

    EDIT: lol, meganathed. This is what I get for trying to post and do science at the same time.
    Last edited by kaburi: 9/5/2013 5:01:28 PM
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