If Narset 1.0 DID depart Tarkir before Sarkhan's timeslip...that would be more interesting. It may mean she went elsewhere and remained unscathed, or she went elsewhere but as soon as Sarkhan fiddled with the past, she just straight up disappeared, because she never existed as 1.0. Interesting.
Doug has said that planeswalkers whose history are tied to Tarkir would not be exempt from the changes that may occur in their history. Narset 1.0 would have simply ceased to be where she was as if she had never been.
If Narset 1.0 DID depart Tarkir before Sarkhan's timeslip...that would be more interesting. It may mean she went elsewhere and remained unscathed, or she went elsewhere but as soon as Sarkhan fiddled with the past, she just straight up disappeared, because she never existed as 1.0. Interesting.
Doug has said that planeswalkers whose history are tied to Tarkir would not be exempt from the changes that may occur in their history. Narset 1.0 would have simply ceased to be where she was as if she had never been.
Thanks! That's why we pay you the big bucks in internet dollars. Sucks to be any random planeswalker that may have been sparked on Tarkir in that 1,280 span that wasn't Sarkhan, Narset, or Ugin, though. "Man, being a planeswalker is great! I can't wait to see what else I'll s-" ::poof::
I am really confused with the end of the story,
as I understand, Ojutai forbid anyone about the knowledge of the Khan and Clan
but then after Narset intentionally break the rule
Ojutai just release Narset ? that's all ?
on the past Ojutai killed Shu Yun and the entire Bloodfire monk because of it, and now he just tell Narset to look for more knowledge ???
that's not making sense at all
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I am really confused with the end of the story,
as I understand, Ojutai forbid anyone about the knowledge of the Khan and Clan
but then after Narset intentionally break the rule
Ojutai just release Narset ? that's all ?
on the past Ojutai killed Shu Yun and the entire Bloodfire monk because of it, and now he just tell Narset to look for more knowledge ???
that's not making sense at all
In fairness, he killed the ghostfire warriors, probably, because they'd all killed a dragon.
And in some way, you have to look at the difference between the Jeskai and the Ojutai brood. The Jeskai were enemies. Narset was a member of his brood.
Someone else pointed out, as well, that by encouraging her to leave, he effectively removes the threat she poses anyways.
Someone else pointed out, as well, that by encouraging her to leave, he effectively removes the threat she poses anyways.
That's kind of funny to think about. What with Ojutai smiling a lot and being cunning. It's not hard to imagine him shooing Narset along and giving her his blessing with the ulterior motive of sweeping the mess she poses under the rug. "phew!"
That said, I honestly hope Ojutai respects her pursuit of knowledge. He seemed unsurprised by her being a planeswalker. Not her specifically, but the ability itself. Could he have learned of planeswalking somehow?
All things considered, there's no reason he can't do both: Respect her knowledge seeking quest AND be happy to be rid of her after the threat she posed. I like to believe that Ojutai mellowed considerably with time but I'll admit without any real information on the subject it makes the writing feel much more inconsistent than perhaps it should.
Also, he wouldn't' be the first planar being to be aware of Planeswalkers.
It is quite well written. The girl who wrote this and last week's UR has talent.
But whatever. Your choice.
Lame because I dislike the Narset character? Boy, it sure must be great living in that world you do where someone has to care about EVERY character and is not allowed to dislike any.
You did not get it at all, TerrorKing.
Lame because you are:
1) basically saying that you do not read it because you dislike the version 1.0 of the character, whereas this character has the same name, but by definition of this block's story, it has to be different. It is like saying: Hey, I did not like this sour green Granny Smith apple, so thank you, I refuse to eat this sweet red one (whereas it is something completely different in taste, and the only common thing is that it is also an apple.)
2) Adding to it, you are making a decision not to read it based on very short and simplified overview done by other user, and saying "sounds lame" sounds silly to me.
But feel free to rob yourself of the experience of reading it. I just had to react, and I consider the matter closed now.
Also, this person wrote last week's story, and it was hardly well-written. The best story writers on the Creative team are Kelly Digges and Doug Beyer. Maybe Jenna Helland too, but I don't really remember any of her UR stories.
Subjective opinion presented for a fact.
I won't argue here, it is a matter of personal taste. Maybe only for Beyer - he is good for short stories, but woefully lacking in longer works (Alara Unbroken, Secretist). Fully agreed on Digges and Helland.
And just to be on the same page, I said she has talent. Nothing about whether it is or it is not well-written.
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What if ojutai allowed narset to planeswalk bdcause he wanted to learn about the other planes? He seeks wisdom and enlightenment, and since he knows about tarkir, its like he finished an entire book and wanted more to read butcan only read it throughg narzet?
Whatifhis thirst ocotherworldly knowledgs surpasseshis pride? Maybe that's why he legnarset do nrsetthints.
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what if his thirst for otherworldy knowledge surpasses his pride, maybe that's why he let narset do her thing.
i did not know why it turned out like that.
Whatifhis thirst ocotherworldly knowledgs surpasseshis pride? Maybe that's why he legnarset do nrsetthints.
Whut?
On another note. Ojutai's character seems to have shifted from opressor to gentle teacher quite fast. In real world i mean, it's been a week since Khanfall. 1280 years is quite a lot of time to become more easy going, but it kind or irks me. Cool story none the less. I think Taigam will be the new U legend/khan this set.
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With the changes that have happened, I wonder what has happened to Sorin. Did he planeswalk away once he found Ugin's dead bones, knowing that his quest was doomed? If he stayed, has he been destroyed by the fracturing of the timeline? If he hasn't and he planewalks back to Innistrad and then back to Tarkir, will he go back to the 1.0 "now" or the 1.1 "now"?
If he hasn't been destroyed and he has been shifted from 1.0 to 1.1 (he looks up at the moon and then looks around him and the bones of Ugin have suddenly been transformed into the new hedronic crucible) will he be able to communicate with the now "exiled" Ugin? Will he have changed much? Or so little considering he was only there a short while?
To just have him beam into Tarkir find a dead Ugin and beam out seems a little pointless, unless there is some joyful reunion many blocks down the line. And I can't seem him being destroyed from a story point of view by having the timeline he was in just fizzle.
In the original timeline, Sorin went to Tarkir looking for the disappeared Ugin and found him dead. He went away or not, doesn't matter. Then this timeline ceased to exist due to Sarkhan's time travel.
In the current timeline, Sorin went to Tarkir looking for the disappeared Ugin and found him trapped inside a hedron cocoon. In this timeline, Sorin never found Ugin dead because Ugin never died. No one saw the two timelines except Sarkhan, because he was the only one to time travel.
I kind of expect Sorin, Narset and Sarkhan converging at Ugin's crucible and waking him up from the healing coma - this being the crucial event for DTK storyline, reflected in the set in some card functionally or otherwise mirroring Bitter Revelation.
I am also curious about the timeline of the presented UR. The KTK Narset looked like a woman in her forty-something, but was said to be much older in reality (like Shu Yun in FRF). DTK Narset's ascension must have happened some significant time before the events of KTK - she is visibly younger (twenty-some max) and the story kind of confirms that she ascended quite young. If we accept the premise that both counterparts were born in both timelines in +/- the same time.
On another note. Ojutai's character seems to have shifted from opressor to gentle teacher quite fast. In real world i mean, it's been a week since Khanfall. 1280 years is quite a lot of time to become more easy going, but it kind or irks me. Cool story none the less. I think Taigam will be the new U legend/khan this set.
From what I interpret, Ojutai was never gonna punish/kill Narset for her "transgressions". Ojuati seemed bloodthirsty in "khanfall" but that was merely to obliterate the Ghostfire folks in the Jeskai. He seek to kill those who killed dragons. Not exactly exacting revenger (just partially), but also to rewrite history. To set an example, one needs to make sure there wasn't a precedent in the first place.
Narset didn't kill nobody. She was branded a heretic probably because Taigam was just a rigid and jealous fool.
The only "cruel/oppressing" thing he did was to erase the records of Khans and their prior history of leading clans. But that was Ojutai's grand vision of dragons and clans coexisting peacefully and even working together.
The funny thing was what was so red in Narset 1.0, and where was the red in Narset Transcendent???
I believe that she may have left the plane. The story talked about her searching every corner and crevice of Tarkir for any lost/hidden secrets. Sarkhan might not encounter her this time round.
While Narset did indeed have her spark ignited due to the discovery of Ojutai having a 'bloody' hand in changing Tarkir's history I am glad to see that he was not the malicious being I half expected him to be.
In fact I find his deepening appreciation of Narset after her transcendence to be rather refreshing. Instead of being arrogant and angry towards Narset for achieving a form of spiritual elevation he never could he simply postulated questions rooted in existensialism, smiled and flew away. Though the meaning is subjective I feel as if he was proud and happy that his most beloved pupil achieved such a feat.
I am also curious about the timeline of the presented UR. The KTK Narset looked like a woman in her forty-something, but was said to be much older in reality (like Shu Yun in FRF). DTK Narset's ascension must have happened some significant time before the events of KTK - she is visibly younger (twenty-some max) and the story kind of confirms that she ascended quite young. If we accept the premise that both counterparts were born in both timelines in +/- the same time.
I think that this week UR was set before sarkhan went back. Like something between 10 or 20 years before DTK/tarkir 1.1
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I think Ojutai's seeming shift makes sense. As I mentioned before (and as other people have), he only killed the Ghostfire Warriors because they'd killed dragons.
It seems like for the most part almost every clan has been kept intact (except some flavor text that indicates the Dromoka brood changed the Abzan rather significantly, from family focused to community focused). They only wanted the history of the khans erased because they didn't want rebellion and uprising, or a threat to their leadership.
I think Narset was spared because it was clear she understood why Ojutai had done what he'd done. She didn't need the lie because she could accept the world was better because of Ojutai (and frankly, it was).
No world, from a flavor standpoint, leans towards any one color.
Really? New Phyrexia doesn't lean black?
If anything, it leans white currently. Elesh Norn conquered Sheoldred's (and Urabrask's) territories, according to Elspeth.
Elesh Norn herself, despite being White, still leans Black. I didn't say she was Black, she leans Black. Every color plays up the "Black" aspect in themselves in New Phyrexia, both mechanically and flavorfully. Colors in the way they express themselves have a range. Sometimes they lean closer to one color or another while still being true to themselves.
My interpretation of Ojutai's actions is that he was just literally enacting the agreement that Shu Yun proposed, which was to kill Shu-Yun and the other dragon slayers, and to "spare my clan". This seems in line with the rigid order of U/W to me. It's partially Shu Yun's fault that he was so hasty in his proposal, instead of trying to discuss the terms of surrender, which may have been possible. From that point on, I feel like Ojutai's actions could still be considered reasonable if you look at the changes taking place across the plane. The terms were to spare Shu Yun's clan. This could be interpreted as being instructed to safeguard the clan, ensure that it survived, and it could be that in order for that to occur Ojutai needed to be firm with transitioning the clan over to being ruled by a dragon, and forging a new identity in order to ensure that they could remain strong and not fall prey to another clan, which could certainly have happened if the new clan were to be marred with incessant infighting. The scrubbing of the history is actually pretty light according to the initial decree, which is just to remove all mention of khans and the clan names from existence, which again could just be in order to strengthen the new clan so it didn't fall to another.
Personally, I don't feel like Ojutai was ever like extremely oppressive as some of the comments in the last couple of pages seemed to mention. Ojutai did what had to be done for the good of his brood. As wise and teacher-y as he's supposed to be, he's still the leader of his brood and he's attacking the group that has been killing members of his brood for years. If he were really out to just exact revenge or whatever, he would have straight wiped out the Jeskai at the point in time. Instead, he just simply took out every Ghostfire warrior and removed the teachings that would be detrimental to his brood. Sure, you can analyze that however you like and equate him to a slimy politician/dictator sort (which isn't false), but I totally see where he was coming from.
As far as I can see in Tarkir 1.1, however, Ojutai seems well-loved by the members of his faction. He's not necessarily an oppressor of knowledge or anything, since he let Narset go without any real rebuff, but he had done all that 1000+ years ago to protect his brood. He was known as the "Great Teacher" before that to his brood and he's simply brought that along with him to the present. And Narset was his star pupil, he probably has some affection for her ala master-pupil, and he's probably proud of her for pursuing knowledge as shown by the end of this week's UR (which was very well-written).
I dunno, I just don't see Ojutai being as dastardly as some of you guys. He seems pretty chill to me.
No world, from a flavor standpoint, leans towards any one color.
Bant? Jund? Esper? Naya? Grixis?
Alara.
The shards aren't natural and were insustainable, hence why the conflux happened in the first place.
Mirrodin had giant flaming balls of mana orbiting around it to attest to just how ungreen it was.
That isn't ungreen. It's not normal to us, but that doesn't make it ungreen. By the same measure, Pyrulea is a dyson sphere with its sun in the middle. That doesn't mean it isn't natural for that plane.
As an aside, Mirrodin is a weird artificial world. It was built in a planar void that already existed, and that is why it appears to be stable.
Serra's Realm leaned white.
Also artificial and sought correction. When it couldn't be sustained, it collapsed.
It's true that no known plane is exclusively one color or totally lacks any colors but lots of planes lean one direction or the other.
Basically only artificial worlds inherently lean towards one color.
Mirrodin had giant flaming balls of mana orbiting around it to attest to just how ungreen it was.
That isn't ungreen. It's not normal to us, but that doesn't make it ungreen. By the same measure, Pyrulea is a dyson sphere with its sun in the middle. That doesn't mean it isn't natural for that plane.
I meant that Mirrodin originally had a sun for each color except green.
Basically only artificial worlds inherently lean towards one color.
Given how often Magic goes to artificial or altered planes is seems like a mistake to exclude them when discussing whether or not a plane can have a bias toward one color or another.
Since the shards of Alara shows that its possible for colors to severely suppressed so it hardly seems unreasonable that much smaller biases may exist on other planes.
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Thanks! That's why we pay you the big bucks in internet dollars. Sucks to be any random planeswalker that may have been sparked on Tarkir in that 1,280 span that wasn't Sarkhan, Narset, or Ugin, though. "Man, being a planeswalker is great! I can't wait to see what else I'll s-" ::poof::
Being a planeswalker sucks unless you move to Equilor.
They really should do an Uncharted Realms about Ob losing his spark and having to deal with it.
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as I understand, Ojutai forbid anyone about the knowledge of the Khan and Clan
but then after Narset intentionally break the rule
Ojutai just release Narset ? that's all ?
on the past Ojutai killed Shu Yun and the entire Bloodfire monk because of it, and now he just tell Narset to look for more knowledge ???
that's not making sense at all
In fairness, he killed the ghostfire warriors, probably, because they'd all killed a dragon.
And in some way, you have to look at the difference between the Jeskai and the Ojutai brood. The Jeskai were enemies. Narset was a member of his brood.
Someone else pointed out, as well, that by encouraging her to leave, he effectively removes the threat she poses anyways.
That's kind of funny to think about. What with Ojutai smiling a lot and being cunning. It's not hard to imagine him shooing Narset along and giving her his blessing with the ulterior motive of sweeping the mess she poses under the rug. "phew!"
That said, I honestly hope Ojutai respects her pursuit of knowledge. He seemed unsurprised by her being a planeswalker. Not her specifically, but the ability itself. Could he have learned of planeswalking somehow?
Also, he wouldn't' be the first planar being to be aware of Planeswalkers.
You did not get it at all, TerrorKing.
Lame because you are:
1) basically saying that you do not read it because you dislike the version 1.0 of the character, whereas this character has the same name, but by definition of this block's story, it has to be different. It is like saying: Hey, I did not like this sour green Granny Smith apple, so thank you, I refuse to eat this sweet red one (whereas it is something completely different in taste, and the only common thing is that it is also an apple.)
2) Adding to it, you are making a decision not to read it based on very short and simplified overview done by other user, and saying "sounds lame" sounds silly to me.
But feel free to rob yourself of the experience of reading it. I just had to react, and I consider the matter closed now.
Subjective opinion presented for a fact.
I won't argue here, it is a matter of personal taste. Maybe only for Beyer - he is good for short stories, but woefully lacking in longer works (Alara Unbroken, Secretist). Fully agreed on Digges and Helland.
And just to be on the same page, I said she has talent. Nothing about whether it is or it is not well-written.
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Whatifhis thirst ocotherworldly knowledgs surpasseshis pride? Maybe that's why he legnarset do nrsetthints.
Edit:
what if his thirst for otherworldy knowledge surpasses his pride, maybe that's why he let narset do her thing.
i did not know why it turned out like that.
Whut?
On another note. Ojutai's character seems to have shifted from opressor to gentle teacher quite fast. In real world i mean, it's been a week since Khanfall. 1280 years is quite a lot of time to become more easy going, but it kind or irks me. Cool story none the less. I think Taigam will be the new U legend/khan this set.
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In the original timeline, Sorin went to Tarkir looking for the disappeared Ugin and found him dead. He went away or not, doesn't matter. Then this timeline ceased to exist due to Sarkhan's time travel.
In the current timeline, Sorin went to Tarkir looking for the disappeared Ugin and found him trapped inside a hedron cocoon. In this timeline, Sorin never found Ugin dead because Ugin never died. No one saw the two timelines except Sarkhan, because he was the only one to time travel.
I am also curious about the timeline of the presented UR. The KTK Narset looked like a woman in her forty-something, but was said to be much older in reality (like Shu Yun in FRF). DTK Narset's ascension must have happened some significant time before the events of KTK - she is visibly younger (twenty-some max) and the story kind of confirms that she ascended quite young. If we accept the premise that both counterparts were born in both timelines in +/- the same time.
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From what I interpret, Ojutai was never gonna punish/kill Narset for her "transgressions". Ojuati seemed bloodthirsty in "khanfall" but that was merely to obliterate the Ghostfire folks in the Jeskai. He seek to kill those who killed dragons. Not exactly exacting revenger (just partially), but also to rewrite history. To set an example, one needs to make sure there wasn't a precedent in the first place.
Narset didn't kill nobody. She was branded a heretic probably because Taigam was just a rigid and jealous fool.
The only "cruel/oppressing" thing he did was to erase the records of Khans and their prior history of leading clans. But that was Ojutai's grand vision of dragons and clans coexisting peacefully and even working together.
The funny thing was what was so red in Narset 1.0, and where was the red in Narset Transcendent???
I believe that she may have left the plane. The story talked about her searching every corner and crevice of Tarkir for any lost/hidden secrets. Sarkhan might not encounter her this time round.
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In fact I find his deepening appreciation of Narset after her transcendence to be rather refreshing. Instead of being arrogant and angry towards Narset for achieving a form of spiritual elevation he never could he simply postulated questions rooted in existensialism, smiled and flew away. Though the meaning is subjective I feel as if he was proud and happy that his most beloved pupil achieved such a feat.
I think that this week UR was set before sarkhan went back. Like something between 10 or 20 years before DTK/tarkir 1.1
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It seems like for the most part almost every clan has been kept intact (except some flavor text that indicates the Dromoka brood changed the Abzan rather significantly, from family focused to community focused). They only wanted the history of the khans erased because they didn't want rebellion and uprising, or a threat to their leadership.
I think Narset was spared because it was clear she understood why Ojutai had done what he'd done. She didn't need the lie because she could accept the world was better because of Ojutai (and frankly, it was).
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Really? New Phyrexia doesn't lean black?
If anything, it leans white currently. Elesh Norn conquered Sheoldred's (and Urabrask's) territories, according to Elspeth.
Elesh Norn herself, despite being White, still leans Black. I didn't say she was Black, she leans Black. Every color plays up the "Black" aspect in themselves in New Phyrexia, both mechanically and flavorfully. Colors in the way they express themselves have a range. Sometimes they lean closer to one color or another while still being true to themselves.
As far as I can see in Tarkir 1.1, however, Ojutai seems well-loved by the members of his faction. He's not necessarily an oppressor of knowledge or anything, since he let Narset go without any real rebuff, but he had done all that 1000+ years ago to protect his brood. He was known as the "Great Teacher" before that to his brood and he's simply brought that along with him to the present. And Narset was his star pupil, he probably has some affection for her ala master-pupil, and he's probably proud of her for pursuing knowledge as shown by the end of this week's UR (which was very well-written).
I dunno, I just don't see Ojutai being as dastardly as some of you guys. He seems pretty chill to me.
Bant? Jund? Esper? Naya? Grixis?
Mirrodin had giant flaming balls of mana orbiting around it to attest to just how ungreen it was.
Serra's Realm leaned white.
It's true that no known plane is exclusively one color or totally lacks any colors but lots of planes lean one direction or the other.
The shards aren't natural and were insustainable, hence why the conflux happened in the first place.
That isn't ungreen. It's not normal to us, but that doesn't make it ungreen. By the same measure, Pyrulea is a dyson sphere with its sun in the middle. That doesn't mean it isn't natural for that plane.
As an aside, Mirrodin is a weird artificial world. It was built in a planar void that already existed, and that is why it appears to be stable.
Also artificial and sought correction. When it couldn't be sustained, it collapsed.
Basically only artificial worlds inherently lean towards one color.
I meant that Mirrodin originally had a sun for each color except green.
Given how often Magic goes to artificial or altered planes is seems like a mistake to exclude them when discussing whether or not a plane can have a bias toward one color or another.
Since the shards of Alara shows that its possible for colors to severely suppressed so it hardly seems unreasonable that much smaller biases may exist on other planes.