Yes, let's stifle the potential for a completely civil conversation, because some idiots may barge in making insane or even insulting claims and when people respond to that, it's suddenly a can of worms.
Let's punish everyone instead of just the idiots! \o/
You seem to be handling this in the exact opposite way you expect others to.
Well, I wouldn't deem autism as touchy a subject as gender identity, but I'll grant your point nonetheless...
I'm probably being a little over-cautious, but I just feel it is safer to err on that side.
I know perfectly well that the first plane, speaking in terms of probability, isn't necessarily going to be the kind of learning experience Narset needs. For every Kamigawa and Ravnica, there's also a Mercadia (comparatively placid, although who knows what she could get from the Ramosian tradition) and a Muraganda (and as I mentioned before, a Muraganda may just be what Ojutai's best-case scenario is). But I'm thinking in terms of popular fiction tendencies. I suppose that at least, Kamigawa or Ravnica is likely to be the first place Narset visits that gets lots of narrative attention. Emphasis on "likely".
I think relative location in the multiverse plays a very large part of this too. For example, it seems astronomically unlikely that a walker would end up on say... Equilor, on their first walk. (because it is on the literal edge of the multiverse.)
There is a weird non-euclidian geography to Dominia, but there are relative positions within it. We've seen some of those clusters before.
Glad I'm not the only one who is wondering which plane was the first Narset planeswalked to when she awakened. If it was one full of knowledge, then I wonder if that plane was Blue-aligned, and perhaps was Ravnica?
I do not think it was Theros as Kruphix would have probably noted her the way he had Elspeth (assuming Theros is an old enough plane and his existence as god of mysteries there accommodates these time frames). Meddling gods hardly seems like an appropriate setting. Innistrad - maybe in the Avacyn days to see what a plane ruled by a superior benevolent power, and not humans, is like. But it still feels unlikely. Kamigawa would be the most intriguing plane for her to visit IMO, especially if she ended up near Minamo or Oboro.
Well, I wouldn't deem autism as touchy a subject as gender identity, but I'll grant your point nonetheless...
I know perfectly well that the first plane, speaking in terms of probability, isn't necessarily going to be the kind of learning experience Narset needs. For every Kamigawa and Ravnica, there's also a Mercadia (comparatively placid, although who knows what she could get from the Ramosian tradition) and a Muraganda (and as I mentioned before, a Muraganda may just be what Ojutai's best-case scenario is). But I'm thinking in terms of popular fiction tendencies. I suppose that at least, Kamigawa or Ravnica is likely to be the first place Narset visits that gets lots of narrative attention. Emphasis on "likely".
Although...this all calls up another question--When, in relation to Vol's reappearance in Tarkir 1.1, did Narset planeswalk? No matter how his meeting with Ugin goes, Vol's probably going to be a...well, not a wreck, certainly, but still nervous...about the fate of his first real friend, version update or no. Maybe Ugin sensed her first planeswalk from within the hedron mantle; we probably won't find out until one or two weeks from now (depends on when the Planeswalkers' Guide goes up). Given the nature of Ojutai's prodding, it will probably be months at least until Narset even thinks to come back, barring anything that makes her realize that Ojutai was manipulating her. There's knowledge in them thar planes!
(I'm still a little surprised, by the way, that my 1.0/1.1 terminology took off so thoroughly. Either I wasn't the only one who came up with it, or it really resonated with the commentators. Especially since I haven't seen anyone speak of 1.0/2.0, instead. Didn't think I'd make that sort of terminological impact...)
Well, there's no info about her age on tarkir 1.0, and no info relating the moment of her first planeswalking in tarkir 1.1... I think if she and Sarkhan find each other, she'll be older.
(and well, the terminology is just good. It's not a totally new tarkir, and the 1.0/1.1 resonate quite well.)
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I just had another thought pop into my head. This continues the tradition we've had for awhile now of one of the first hints of a planeswalker spark is an unusual/prodigious affinity for magic. One of the few I've seen who didn't have it was Tibalt (and it shows) but even then, he may have been a prodigy just studying the wrong kind of magic.
It is quite well written. The girl who wrote this and last week's UR has talent.
But whatever. Your choice.
Lame because I dislike the Narset character? Boy, it sure must be great living in that world you do where someone has to care about EVERY character and is not allowed to dislike any.
Also, this person wrote last week's story, and it was hardly well-written. The best story writers on the Creative team are Kelly Digges and Doug Beyer. Maybe Jenna Helland too, but I don't really remember any of her UR stories.
Glad I'm not the only one who is wondering which plane was the first Narset planeswalked to when she awakened. If it was one full of knowledge, then I wonder if that plane was Blue-aligned, and perhaps was Ravnica?
I do not think it was Theros as Kruphix would have probably noted her the way he had Elspeth (assuming Theros is an old enough plane and his existence as god of mysteries there accommodates these time frames). Meddling gods hardly seems like an appropriate setting. Innistrad - maybe in the Avacyn days to see what a plane ruled by a superior benevolent power, and not humans, is like. But it still feels unlikely. Kamigawa would be the most intriguing plane for her to visit IMO, especially if she ended up near Minamo or Oboro.
Dragons of Tarkir takes place in the present.
And this is PRECISELY the reason why I kept ranting against those stupid souls from M15.
No world, from a flavor standpoint, leans towards any one color. Anything MaRo says about a world leaning towards a color is in regards to his position in design.
For all we know, she could have turned up on Iquatana. But it doesn't actually matter because this is a line of speculation that people are building on false premises, the idea that a walker will subconsciously be drawn to some world rather than the relatively nearest one.
And Ravnica isn't particularly any more full of knowledge than say... Dominaria or Kamigawa.
I just had another thought pop into my head. This continues the tradition we've had for awhile now of one of the first hints of a planeswalker spark is an unusual/prodigious affinity for magic. One of the few I've seen who didn't have it was Tibalt (and it shows) but even then, he may have been a prodigy just studying the wrong kind of magic.
Gideon and Tezzeret aren't particularly gifted mages either.
Also, I deleted some posts at the behest of the users (and posts pertaining to them)
We don't know when Narset left Tarkir, just it was before Sarkhan appeared in Tarkir1.1. Could she fill the roles Sarkhan played in Bolas's plots in Alera and Zendikar?
We don't know when Narset left Tarkir, just it was before Sarkhan appeared in Tarkir1.1. Could she fill the roles Sarkhan played in Bolas's plots in Alera and Zendikar?
It's a possibility, but by the same measure, it'd be a little precipitous to speculate about that until we get a little more info.
Thank you by the way Barinellos. I didn't remember anything about Tezz or Gideon's abilities being touted or not before but I am seeing a pattern (a potentially good one) where Planeswalkers are in general somehow a bit different from the norm of their world.
As for the first walked world thing, I'm sure we'll learn more about what if anything influences the first plane a new walker ends up on in Origins but I'm inclined to agree with you that proximity may play a factor and to add that it might also be similarity of the world to the one you're from. If I remember correctly, wasn't Ajani's first walk to Jund from Naya? The two planes were relatively close being shards of the same world and similar in that they were random coincidences of the multiverse stripped of the influence of 2 colors of mana but they happened to share two of their colors.
We don't know when Narset left Tarkir, just it was before Sarkhan appeared in Tarkir1.1. Could she fill the roles Sarkhan played in Bolas's plots in Alera and Zendikar?
It's a possibility, but by the same measure, it'd be a little precipitous to speculate about that until we get a little more info.
Apologies in advance if I am misunderstanding.
Why would Narset have to fill any Sarkhan roles? I think the feel is that Sarkhan arrived back to the same 'time' that he left, or if nothing else, was gone for an equal measure of time as he spent in the past. Since he is unscathed by the changes of time, and since Wizards seems to be saying that the time changes were contained only to Tarkir, nothing Sarkhan did outside of Tarkir would have changed, thus no need to have someone else do them, no?
We don't know when Narset left Tarkir, just it was before Sarkhan appeared in Tarkir1.1. Could she fill the roles Sarkhan played in Bolas's plots in Alera and Zendikar?
It's a possibility, but by the same measure, it'd be a little precipitous to speculate about that until we get a little more info.
Apologies in advance if I am misunderstanding.
Why would Narset have to fill any Sarkhan roles? I think the feel is that Sarkhan arrived back to the same 'time' that he left, or if nothing else, was gone for an equal measure of time as he spent in the past. Since he is unscathed by the changes of time, and since Wizards seems to be saying that the time changes were contained only to Tarkir, nothing Sarkhan did outside of Tarkir would have changed, thus no need to have someone else do them, no?
somebody who called himself Sarkhan still showed up and participated in those Sarkhan-involving, off-Tarkir events in recent history (meeting Ajani on Jund, declaring fealty to Bolas, going to the Eye of Ugin, fighting with Chandra and Jace
It is quite well written. The girl who wrote this and last week's UR has talent.
But whatever. Your choice.
Lame because I dislike the Narset character? Boy, it sure must be great living in that world you do where someone has to care about EVERY character and is not allowed to dislike any.
Also, this person wrote last week's story, and it was hardly well-written. The best story writers on the Creative team are Kelly Digges and Doug Beyer. Maybe Jenna Helland too, but I don't really remember any of her UR stories.
We don't know when Narset left Tarkir, just it was before Sarkhan appeared in Tarkir1.1. Could she fill the roles Sarkhan played in Bolas's plots in Alera and Zendikar?
It's a possibility, but by the same measure, it'd be a little precipitous to speculate about that until we get a little more info.
This is the theory I've been thinking. Would be a mean twist that in this timeline Sarkhan is now free from Bolas and Narset takes his place.
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We don't know when Narset left Tarkir, just it was before Sarkhan appeared in Tarkir1.1. Could she fill the roles Sarkhan played in Bolas's plots in Alera and Zendikar?
It's a possibility, but by the same measure, it'd be a little precipitous to speculate about that until we get a little more info.
This is the theory I've been thinking. Would be a mean twist that in this timeline Sarkhan is now free from Bolas and Narset takes his place.
That would be AMAZING
Really sad for Narset but I love that idea from a story-telling perspective
We don't know when Narset left Tarkir, just it was before Sarkhan appeared in Tarkir1.1. Could she fill the roles Sarkhan played in Bolas's plots in Alera and Zendikar?
It's a possibility, but by the same measure, it'd be a little precipitous to speculate about that until we get a little more info.
This is the theory I've been thinking. Would be a mean twist that in this timeline Sarkhan is now free from Bolas and Narset takes his place.
That would be AMAZING
Really sad for Narset but I love that idea from a story-telling perspective
I brought up issues with that, bigbangbilly helped me out with the following:
somebody who called himself Sarkhan still showed up and participated in those Sarkhan-involving, off-Tarkir events in recent history (meeting Ajani on Jund, declaring fealty to Bolas, going to the Eye of Ugin, fighting with Chandra and Jace
So it doesn't look like Narset is going to be replacing Sarkhan in any way in the things Sarkhan has done in the past.
That's perfectly okay. She's just not my cup of tea. Too... "basic" for my tastes.
You know, that's actually an interesting explanation. Would you be willing to go into more detail here or in PM if you think it might start too much drama on the thread?
We don't know when Narset left Tarkir, just it was before Sarkhan appeared in Tarkir1.1. Could she fill the roles Sarkhan played in Bolas's plots in Alera and Zendikar?
It's a possibility, but by the same measure, it'd be a little precipitous to speculate about that until we get a little more info.
This is the theory I've been thinking. Would be a mean twist that in this timeline Sarkhan is now free from Bolas and Narset takes his place.
That would be AMAZING
Really sad for Narset but I love that idea from a story-telling perspective
I brought up issues with that, bigbangbilly helped me out with the following:
somebody who called himself Sarkhan still showed up and participated in those Sarkhan-involving, off-Tarkir events in recent history (meeting Ajani on Jund, declaring fealty to Bolas, going to the Eye of Ugin, fighting with Chandra and Jace
So it doesn't look like Narset is going to be replacing Sarkhan in any way in the things Sarkhan has done in the past.
Apologies if I formatted quotes wrong.
I know that, however thats what I still think will happen. I know I'm probability wrong because of pronouns, but as Canadian Guy of Wrath said from a storytelling plot point its amazing. Also add in she knows of a person named Sarkhan and could take that as a new name would be a good way explain how "Sarkhan" was still on Alara, ect.
Personally I have the feeling that in the same way Ajani is WRG and Sarkhan is RBG Narset is URW as a character but her card in this set shows WU aspect.
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Since Narset is the topic of discussion, is there any particular reason why the original Narset didn't ignite her spark when she was cut by Zurgo? Most of the other walkers have had their sparks ignite under circumstances just as dire.
Since Narset is the topic of discussion, is there any particular reason why the original Narset didn't ignite her spark when she was cut by Zurgo? Most of the other walkers have had their sparks ignite under circumstances just as dire.
No event is guaranteed to trigger the spark. It theoretically could have, but there aren't really any certainties in dealing with that kind of probability.
I admit, I'm curious what time travel does to sparks in this sort of situation. What if 1.0 Narset had ignited her spark and 'walked off Tarkir as Sarkhan was going back in time? Would there still be a 1.1 Narset? If so, would 1.1 Narset still have a spark to be ignited? Does the spark duplicate? Do they share one spark? Could 1.0 Narset and 1.1 Narset run into each other somewhere in the Multiverse and have the mother of all double-takes? These are all questions we'll likely never have answers to. Pity.
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There are people who are born with sparks all the time who never trigger it. Look at Glissa.
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"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
I admit, I'm curious what time travel does to sparks in this sort of situation. What if 1.0 Narset had ignited her spark and 'walked off Tarkir as Sarkhan was going back in time? Would there still be a 1.1 Narset? If so, would 1.1 Narset still have a spark to be ignited? Does the spark duplicate? Do they share one spark? Could 1.0 Narset and 1.1 Narset run into each other somewhere in the Multiverse and have the mother of all double-takes? These are all questions we'll likely never have answers to. Pity.
My gut response is that since the time travel events seem to be contained only within Tarkir (hard as that is for me to swallow, what with there being some interconnectedness between planes to some degree [planeswalkers being one of them]), if her spark had ignited in her death as Sarkhan traveled back, and she did not yet depart Tarkir, then history would be reset and Narset 1.1 would still have the spark, like Narset 1.0 did. If Narset 1.0 DID depart Tarkir before Sarkhan's timeslip...that would be more interesting. It may mean she went elsewhere and remained unscathed, or she went elsewhere but as soon as Sarkhan fiddled with the past, she just straight up disappeared, because she never existed as 1.0. Interesting.
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StaffYou seem to be handling this in the exact opposite way you expect others to.
I didn't exactly see this particular aspect. Not sure if that matters regardless.
I think relative location in the multiverse plays a very large part of this too. For example, it seems astronomically unlikely that a walker would end up on say... Equilor, on their first walk. (because it is on the literal edge of the multiverse.)
There is a weird non-euclidian geography to Dominia, but there are relative positions within it. We've seen some of those clusters before.
I do not think it was Theros as Kruphix would have probably noted her the way he had Elspeth (assuming Theros is an old enough plane and his existence as god of mysteries there accommodates these time frames). Meddling gods hardly seems like an appropriate setting. Innistrad - maybe in the Avacyn days to see what a plane ruled by a superior benevolent power, and not humans, is like. But it still feels unlikely. Kamigawa would be the most intriguing plane for her to visit IMO, especially if she ended up near Minamo or Oboro.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
We only get a brief sketch of her life but it seems like Ojutai is the only person she really connects with.
Doug Beyer confirms that Narset is autistic/neurodivergent although no word for it exists on Tarkir.
http://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/post/112727174244/hi-doug-reading-the-new-uncharted-realms-i-felt
Well, there's no info about her age on tarkir 1.0, and no info relating the moment of her first planeswalking in tarkir 1.1... I think if she and Sarkhan find each other, she'll be older.
(and well, the terminology is just good. It's not a totally new tarkir, and the 1.0/1.1 resonate quite well.)
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Lame because I dislike the Narset character? Boy, it sure must be great living in that world you do where someone has to care about EVERY character and is not allowed to dislike any.
Also, this person wrote last week's story, and it was hardly well-written. The best story writers on the Creative team are Kelly Digges and Doug Beyer. Maybe Jenna Helland too, but I don't really remember any of her UR stories.
Your mods are terrified of me.
And this is PRECISELY the reason why I kept ranting against those stupid souls from M15.
No world, from a flavor standpoint, leans towards any one color. Anything MaRo says about a world leaning towards a color is in regards to his position in design.
For all we know, she could have turned up on Iquatana. But it doesn't actually matter because this is a line of speculation that people are building on false premises, the idea that a walker will subconsciously be drawn to some world rather than the relatively nearest one.
And Ravnica isn't particularly any more full of knowledge than say... Dominaria or Kamigawa.
Gideon and Tezzeret aren't particularly gifted mages either.
Also, I deleted some posts at the behest of the users (and posts pertaining to them)
As for the first walked world thing, I'm sure we'll learn more about what if anything influences the first plane a new walker ends up on in Origins but I'm inclined to agree with you that proximity may play a factor and to add that it might also be similarity of the world to the one you're from. If I remember correctly, wasn't Ajani's first walk to Jund from Naya? The two planes were relatively close being shards of the same world and similar in that they were random coincidences of the multiverse stripped of the influence of 2 colors of mana but they happened to share two of their colors.
Apologies in advance if I am misunderstanding.
Why would Narset have to fill any Sarkhan roles? I think the feel is that Sarkhan arrived back to the same 'time' that he left, or if nothing else, was gone for an equal measure of time as he spent in the past. Since he is unscathed by the changes of time, and since Wizards seems to be saying that the time changes were contained only to Tarkir, nothing Sarkhan did outside of Tarkir would have changed, thus no need to have someone else do them, no?
Here are some Doug Beyer statement to back you up. As stated on Doug Beyer's blog
Agree here. I do like Narset though.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
This is the theory I've been thinking. Would be a mean twist that in this timeline Sarkhan is now free from Bolas and Narset takes his place.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
That would be AMAZING
Really sad for Narset but I love that idea from a story-telling perspective
I brought up issues with that, bigbangbilly helped me out with the following:
So it doesn't look like Narset is going to be replacing Sarkhan in any way in the things Sarkhan has done in the past.
Apologies if I formatted quotes wrong.
That's perfectly okay. She's just not my cup of tea. Too... "basic" for my tastes.
Your mods are terrified of me.
You know, that's actually an interesting explanation. Would you be willing to go into more detail here or in PM if you think it might start too much drama on the thread?
I know that, however thats what I still think will happen. I know I'm probability wrong because of pronouns, but as Canadian Guy of Wrath said from a storytelling plot point its amazing. Also add in she knows of a person named Sarkhan and could take that as a new name would be a good way explain how "Sarkhan" was still on Alara, ect.
Personally I have the feeling that in the same way Ajani is WRG and Sarkhan is RBG Narset is URW as a character but her card in this set shows WU aspect.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
My gut response is that since the time travel events seem to be contained only within Tarkir (hard as that is for me to swallow, what with there being some interconnectedness between planes to some degree [planeswalkers being one of them]), if her spark had ignited in her death as Sarkhan traveled back, and she did not yet depart Tarkir, then history would be reset and Narset 1.1 would still have the spark, like Narset 1.0 did. If Narset 1.0 DID depart Tarkir before Sarkhan's timeslip...that would be more interesting. It may mean she went elsewhere and remained unscathed, or she went elsewhere but as soon as Sarkhan fiddled with the past, she just straight up disappeared, because she never existed as 1.0. Interesting.