Because as punishment, it weakens the sword grip, making you a less effective warrior and more reliant on others to protect you.
It still is unquestionably disproportionate retribution; a major punishment for a minor crime. Such an action would not at all surprise from a member of the Sultai clan, but I thought that the Mardu were capable of at least some level of mercy and compassion, since white is one of their colors.
Mercy and compassion are white traits, but not all white characters are merciful and compassionate. Would you expect the Orzhov to display mercy and compassion just because they're part white?
In particular, the Mardu are base-red with splashes of white and black. They're likely to only have the white and/or black traits that make sense with red and with each other. In this case, militancy in white and parasitism in black. Nothing we've read about the Mardu so far makes this UR seem out of character, except perhaps the ending when the entire clan rejects Zurgo's claim to authority on the basis of a single ill-fated plan of attack.
In that case, I would never willingly be a member of the Mardu clan. I value personal freedom above all else and I greatly dislike strict rules and arbitrary authority. The two clans that seem to be most appealing to me are the Abzan and the Jeskai, because they seem to be the least cruel and aggressive of all the clans.
On that subject, a user here stated several posts ago that they believed that the Abzan were the least despicable of all the clans, but what actions have the Jeskai ever taken that would be cruel or despicable?
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“Those who would trade their freedoms for security will have neither.”-Benjamin Franklin
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
In that case, I would never willingly be a member of the Mardu clan.
I'm pretty sure this is on purpose. If you look at the leaderboards on PWP.com, clan popularity ranking seems to be Temur>Abzan>Jeskai>>>Mardu>Sultai, and it's not just due to Standard power level.
I value personal freedom above all else and I greatly dislike strict rules and arbitrary authority. The two clans that seem to be most appealing to me are the Abzan and the Jeskai, because they seem to be the least cruel and aggressive of all the clans.
So how is it that you don't like Temur better than Abzan/Jeskai? Temur are red/green and generally take a live and let live approach to the other clans. Abzan/Jeskai are white, which leads to them expecting their members to abide by plenty of arbitrary hierarchies and restrictions.
So how is it that you don't like Temur better than Abzan/Jeskai? Temur are red/green and generally take a live and let live approach to the other clans. Abzan/Jeskai are white, which leads to them expecting their members to abide by plenty of arbitrary hierarchies and restrictions.
The Temur are still slightly too aggressive for my liking, and they do not contain the color white, which is actually my favorite color in this game, even if that seems to contradict my previous statement. I like the Jeskai for their pursuit of knowledge and enlightenment, and the Abzan for their sense of community and solidarity.
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“Those who would trade their freedoms for security will have neither.”-Benjamin Franklin
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
On the other hand, as Anafenza rose through the ranks to become Khan eventually, I would think news would have reached Oret in one way or another. If Oret betrayed his family, he should have stayed away.
That's the beauty of it.
He had no choice. The family leaders all have to show up to give allegiance to the new Khan.
Temur ... do not contain the color white, which is actually my favorite color in this game, even if that seems to contradict my previous statement.
Not at all. We can all like certain colours and mechanics while not sharing their philosophy in any deep and meaningful way. In real life, for example, I think I'm UR in my thought tendencies and actions, but mechanically I love BG colour interactions.
On the other hand, as Anafenza rose through the ranks to become Khan eventually, I would think news would have reached Oret in one way or another. If Oret betrayed his family, he should have stayed away.
That's the beauty of it.
He had no choice. The family leaders all have to show up to give allegiance to the new Khan.
In the story, Oret was surprised as seeing Anafenza. I can't tell if Oret is feigning surprise or if he was truly shocked. Given how past Uncharted Realms is generally written "by the book," I would tend to think Oret was truly shocked. Why would Oret greet the new Khan if he knew it would be Anafenza? Did Oret expect to talk his way out the situation?
Not really, they do, via extreme racial prejudice, ferocity and general ruthlessness (though that last part understandably overlaps with Black)
"Extreme racial prejudice," to use your phrase, is definitely not a green trait. Green is the color of nature, of balance, and of instinct that is free of rational thought. In green, there is no good nor evil, no law nor chaos, and certainly no prejudice. I believe that "extreme racial prejudice" is a trait that is characteristic of both black and white (which I am certain is no accident or coincidence).
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“Those who would trade their freedoms for security will have neither.”-Benjamin Franklin
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
Not really, they do, via extreme racial prejudice, ferocity and general ruthlessness (though that last part understandably overlaps with Black)
"Extreme racial prejudice," to use your phrase, is definitely not a green trait. Green is the color of nature, of balance, and of instinct that is free of rational thought. In green, there is no good nor evil, no law nor chaos, and certainly no prejudice. I believe that "extreme racial prejudice" is a trait that is characteristic of both black and white (which I am certain is no accident or coincidence).
Green is all about the community. Those who are not part of the community are the enemy. Have you met Nissa? Her whole shtick was elven supremacy, at least until she watched her world get destroyed by eldritch horrors she unleashed and became the Worldwaker. What about the elves of Lorwyn?
Green is all about the community. Those who are not part of the community are the enemy. Have you met Nissa? Her whole shtick was elven supremacy, at least until she watched her world get destroyed by eldritch horrors she unleashed and became the Worldwaker. What about the elves of Lorwyn?
First, I was under the impression that white was the color of community, and excluding those who do not belong to the community. Second, the elves of Lorwyn were green and black, which still supports my previous statement about black being one of the two colors that engage in prejudice and discrimination.
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“Those who would trade their freedoms for security will have neither.”-Benjamin Franklin
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
Not really, they do, via extreme racial prejudice, ferocity and general ruthlessness (though that last part understandably overlaps with Black)
"Extreme racial prejudice," to use your phrase, is definitely not a green trait. Green is the color of nature, of balance, and of instinct that is free of rational thought. In green, there is no good nor evil, no law nor chaos, and certainly no prejudice. I believe that "extreme racial prejudice" is a trait that is characteristic of both black and white (which I am certain is no accident or coincidence).
Community is both a Green and White concept, not exclusive to the latter. This is, say, why Selesnya is the one White guild focusing primarily on community, while the others catter more to White's sense of order and totalitarianism.
Green is the colour of genetics, of determining that one's inherent traits are superior. Nearly all elves in Magic are highly xenophobic, while social darwinism is specific tied to Green.
When White and Black combine, it's about one specific group, not necessarily race related. It requires Green to become a racial issue, and it is probably why the Abzan's idea of family is more blood related than comfortable by either White's or Black's normal standards.
In the story, Oret was surprised as seeing Anafenza. I can't tell if Oret is feigning surprise or if he was truly shocked. Given how past Uncharted Realms is generally written "by the book," I would tend to think Oret was truly shocked. Why would Oret greet the new Khan if he knew it would be Anafenza? Did Oret expect to talk his way out the situation?
It seems like Oret was truly shocked to see her alive at all. There's a decent chance that he wouldn't know who the new Khan is, since he's keeping his head down and has no family connections. I think even if he had heard the name of the new Khan, he may have written it off as a coincidence. I'm not sure how their naming conventions are, maybe Anafenza is a somewhat common name in the Abzan.
In the story, Oret was surprised as seeing Anafenza. I can't tell if Oret is feigning surprise or if he was truly shocked. Given how past Uncharted Realms is generally written "by the book," I would tend to think Oret was truly shocked. Why would Oret greet the new Khan if he knew it would be Anafenza? Did Oret expect to talk his way out the situation?
It seems like Oret was truly shocked to see her alive at all. There's a decent chance that he wouldn't know who the new Khan is, since he's keeping his head down and has no family connections. I think even if he had heard the name of the new Khan, he may have written it off as a coincidence. I'm not sure how their naming conventions are, maybe Anafenza is a somewhat common name in the Abzan.
Not only that, but he thought she was dead. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a different family name after her original family was killed rather than holding on to her original one, seeing as the kin-tree was destroyed. She was just as much of an orphan as any Krumar.
Anyone else thinks the Sultai have little to none green in them?
Not really, they do, via extreme racial prejudice, ferocity and general ruthlessness (though that last part understandably overlaps with Black)
You say this, but in the last article with Sidisi I really didn't get that feel. It seemed to me like everyone is just B. For example the mardu are a good representation of W/B/R. They are a pack of bloodthirsty warriors, but what separates them from the Rakdos cult for instance, is that they are also an organized army, and value community, all thanks to W. The W/U in Jeskai is seen in their pursuit of knowledge, but thanks to the R, a lot of their teachings focus on combat.
The above could not work without the enemy color, the Sultai however, even if you give them fringe traits of green, still strike me as a clan that could easily work just as mono b. Take away the green (and the blue even), and I feel like the article would be the same. Zombies for servants, classic black-moustache twirling leader, killed the previous leader, is trying to get killed now by a servant... What I'm trying to say is that the Sultai article, really didn't focus to show all three colors here. Atleast in my opinion.
the concept of a twin duo imparting justice by sheer intuition still feels oh so very anti-UW to me, for instance, and I don't think Jeskai being uwr justifies it one bit.
I think it does. Yes, it's not very WU at all, but that's where the R comes in, I suppose… ‘intuition’. A dangerous conceit.
Anyone else thinks the Sultai have little to none green in them?
Not really, they do, via extreme racial prejudice, ferocity and general ruthlessness (though that last part understandably overlaps with Black)
You say this, but in the last article with Sidisi I really didn't get that feel. It seemed to me like everyone is just B. For example the mardu are a good representation of W/B/R. They are a pack of bloodthirsty warriors, but what separates them from the Rakdos cult for instance, is that they are also an organized army, and value community, all thanks to W. The W/U in Jeskai is seen in their pursuit of knowledge, but thanks to the R, a lot of their teachings focus on combat.
And their creativity, individuality and several nerd things are also Red.
The above could not work without the enemy color, the Sultai however, even if you give them fringe traits of green, still strike me as a clan that could easily work just as mono b. Take away the green (and the blue even), and I feel like the article would be the same. Zombies for servants, classic black-moustache twirling leader, killed the previous leader, is trying to get killed now by a servant... What I'm trying to say is that the Sultai article, really didn't focus to show all three colors here. Atleast in my opinion.
Fair enough, though I feel that a mono-Black clan simply doesn't care enough about ideology to be unironically racist.
Black is specifically not racist. Black doesn't care what you are or where you come from. All black cares about is what you can do for Black. If you're an elf and that's somehow a disadvantage to Black for whatever reason, sure, Black won't want anything to do with you, but in that case the racial aspect is a non-issue compared to the fact that you're a burden. In fact, that's one of Black's positive traits that people like to forget when they treat it as the 'evil' color. Black is completely and totally equal opportunity. Black respects and surrounds itself with people who can pull their own weight and have something to offer, regardless of kin or creed.
Black is specifically not racist. Black doesn't care what you are or where you come from. All black cares about is what you can do for Black. If you're an elf and that's somehow a disadvantage to Black for whatever reason, sure, Black won't want anything to do with you, but in that case the racial aspect is a non-issue compared to the fact that you're a burden. In fact, that's one of Black's positive traits that people like to forget when they treat it as the 'evil' color. Black is completely and totally equal opportunity. Black respects and surrounds itself with people who can pull their own weight and have something to offer, regardless of kin or creed.
An excellent summary of B. I can only add that Mark Rosewater specifically mentions that from Black philosophy we derive movements such as Capitalism.
Mercy and compassion are white traits, but not all white characters are merciful and compassionate. Would you expect the Orzhov to display mercy and compassion just because they're part white?
In particular, the Mardu are base-red with splashes of white and black. They're likely to only have the white and/or black traits that make sense with red and with each other. In this case, militancy in white and parasitism in black. Nothing we've read about the Mardu so far makes this UR seem out of character, except perhaps the ending when the entire clan rejects Zurgo's claim to authority on the basis of a single ill-fated plan of attack.
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On that subject, a user here stated several posts ago that they believed that the Abzan were the least despicable of all the clans, but what actions have the Jeskai ever taken that would be cruel or despicable?
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
I'm pretty sure this is on purpose. If you look at the leaderboards on PWP.com, clan popularity ranking seems to be Temur>Abzan>Jeskai>>>Mardu>Sultai, and it's not just due to Standard power level.
So how is it that you don't like Temur better than Abzan/Jeskai? Temur are red/green and generally take a live and let live approach to the other clans. Abzan/Jeskai are white, which leads to them expecting their members to abide by plenty of arbitrary hierarchies and restrictions.
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The Temur are still slightly too aggressive for my liking, and they do not contain the color white, which is actually my favorite color in this game, even if that seems to contradict my previous statement. I like the Jeskai for their pursuit of knowledge and enlightenment, and the Abzan for their sense of community and solidarity.
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
That's the beauty of it.
He had no choice. The family leaders all have to show up to give allegiance to the new Khan.
Not at all. We can all like certain colours and mechanics while not sharing their philosophy in any deep and meaningful way. In real life, for example, I think I'm UR in my thought tendencies and actions, but mechanically I love BG colour interactions.
Not really, they do, via extreme racial prejudice, ferocity and general ruthlessness (though that last part understandably overlaps with Black)
In the story, Oret was surprised as seeing Anafenza. I can't tell if Oret is feigning surprise or if he was truly shocked. Given how past Uncharted Realms is generally written "by the book," I would tend to think Oret was truly shocked. Why would Oret greet the new Khan if he knew it would be Anafenza? Did Oret expect to talk his way out the situation?
"Extreme racial prejudice," to use your phrase, is definitely not a green trait. Green is the color of nature, of balance, and of instinct that is free of rational thought. In green, there is no good nor evil, no law nor chaos, and certainly no prejudice. I believe that "extreme racial prejudice" is a trait that is characteristic of both black and white (which I am certain is no accident or coincidence).
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“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
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First, I was under the impression that white was the color of community, and excluding those who do not belong to the community. Second, the elves of Lorwyn were green and black, which still supports my previous statement about black being one of the two colors that engage in prejudice and discrimination.
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”-Thomas Jefferson
“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.”-Theodore Roosevelt
“Patriotism means to stand by one's country; it does not mean to stand by one's president.”-Theodore Roosevelt
Community is both a Green and White concept, not exclusive to the latter. This is, say, why Selesnya is the one White guild focusing primarily on community, while the others catter more to White's sense of order and totalitarianism.
Green is the colour of genetics, of determining that one's inherent traits are superior. Nearly all elves in Magic are highly xenophobic, while social darwinism is specific tied to Green.
When White and Black combine, it's about one specific group, not necessarily race related. It requires Green to become a racial issue, and it is probably why the Abzan's idea of family is more blood related than comfortable by either White's or Black's normal standards.
Green is 100% one of the main colors of "extreme racial prejudice". As has been said before, elves in magic wallow in the this trait.
It seems like Oret was truly shocked to see her alive at all. There's a decent chance that he wouldn't know who the new Khan is, since he's keeping his head down and has no family connections. I think even if he had heard the name of the new Khan, he may have written it off as a coincidence. I'm not sure how their naming conventions are, maybe Anafenza is a somewhat common name in the Abzan.
Not only that, but he thought she was dead. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a different family name after her original family was killed rather than holding on to her original one, seeing as the kin-tree was destroyed. She was just as much of an orphan as any Krumar.
You say this, but in the last article with Sidisi I really didn't get that feel. It seemed to me like everyone is just B. For example the mardu are a good representation of W/B/R. They are a pack of bloodthirsty warriors, but what separates them from the Rakdos cult for instance, is that they are also an organized army, and value community, all thanks to W. The W/U in Jeskai is seen in their pursuit of knowledge, but thanks to the R, a lot of their teachings focus on combat.
The above could not work without the enemy color, the Sultai however, even if you give them fringe traits of green, still strike me as a clan that could easily work just as mono b. Take away the green (and the blue even), and I feel like the article would be the same. Zombies for servants, classic black-moustache twirling leader, killed the previous leader, is trying to get killed now by a servant... What I'm trying to say is that the Sultai article, really didn't focus to show all three colors here. Atleast in my opinion.
I think it does. Yes, it's not very WU at all, but that's where the R comes in, I suppose… ‘intuition’. A dangerous conceit.
And their creativity, individuality and several nerd things are also Red.
Fair enough, though I feel that a mono-Black clan simply doesn't care enough about ideology to be unironically racist.