Right now the phyrexians are rebuilding, so that sets them back. But if they ever get to old-phyrexia power level, they will be a huge multiversal threat. I would argue Urza is a much better mastermind than bolas, and it took him nine planeswalkers and all of dominaria to stop Phyrexia, and most of those walkers died (athough Tevesh Szat and Urza himself caused a bunch of this) and Dominaria is basically a wasteland. Old Phyrexia even could keep Walkers captive (Leshrac). So I just can't see Bolas really stopping new Phyrexia once they get going. Eldrazi are like Galactus - So I dunno what would stop them.
Bolas is more like a typical "Dragon" from fantasy books. Like the end boss who is too big and strong and smart for the heros to defeat, but often has a weakness. In most cases that weakness is getting getting talked to how good and strong and perfect he is. He likes to get prayed for what he can do and all when in the meantime the heros put up the real trap
I bet Bolas' weakness is chocolate and puppies. I bet he's really a sweet dragon at heart.
From a nihilistic perspective, the Eldrazi are the only ones who pose any threat at all. I mean, what does the multiverse care if it's ruled by an over confident dragon or a bunch of smells-like-oil half machines?
Of course, you didn't ask about danger, but menace...
Now that title obviously goes to Bolas.
Agreed.
The Eldrazi are running rampant through the Multiverse. I'm sure they can feed on countless smaller planes we've never heard of until they come back up in the storyline. Bolas is extremely smart, he is extremely powerful, and he can **** up some amazing schemes. Phyrexia is fledgeling (on Mirrodin), and meeting with any other branch of Phyrexians in the Multiverse is bound to end in disaster for whatever plane they're on.
Eldrazi are the biggest threat, because they're plane-hopping. Bolas at a close second, because he obviously has a plan on dealing with the Eldrazi. Phyrexia last, because if they ever met other Phyrexians, all hell would break loose.
Eldrazi are the biggest threat, because they're plane-hopping. Bolas at a close second, because he obviously has a plan on dealing with the Eldrazi. Phyrexia last, because if they ever met other Phyrexians, all hell would break loose.
I don't know. I always figured that they would come across one another, "sense" each other the way Xancha could sense other Phyrexians and be like *brofist* or something. I really have not gotten to read any of the story since... Time Spiral? And even then, it was only the first book of the block, so I do not know how they know Yawggies, old plans or if it is just ingrained in their being.
What Stardust said. The multiverse itself is not threatened by mechanical abominations nor the single planeswalker dragon, and not all of the lifeforms in them are.
I don't know. I always figured that they would come across one another, "sense" each other the way Xancha could sense other Phyrexians and be like *brofist* or something. I really have not gotten to read any of the story since... Time Spiral? And even then, it was only the first book of the block, so I do not know how they know Yawggies, old plans or if it is just ingrained in their being.
Well it might be like that. But I've noticed at least Mirrodin's Phyrexians look waaaay more organic than any other Phyrexian I've ever seen. And even if they recognize each other, there's bound to be differences in philosophy. Sort of like the Christian church today. And then they would start fighting and it would be really bad for them. Ooh maybe a future set will feature a Phyrexian Civil War.
So nobody else thinks that the Eldrazi aren't a menace to the Multiverse at all? I mean, yes, they feed on entire planes, yes, they bring unavoidable death to those planes' inhabitants, but on a larger scale they may be just a part of multiversal ecosystem. I.e. by eating/destroying worlds, the Eldrazi keep the number of planes in check, so that there wouldn't be too many planes close to each other or something. IMO, Eldrazi eating planes may actually be healthy for the multiverse. Why? Well, they're ancient. Really really ancient. And if they've been with the multiverse for that long and they're still around, it must mean that the multiverse is ok with that.
Plus, the multiverse is nigh-infinite with a nigh-infinite number of planes. Planes appear and collapse every second, so what does a disappearance of another plane actually mean?
So nobody else thinks that the Eldrazi aren't a menace to the Multiverse at all? I mean, yes, they feed on entire planes, yes, they bring unavoidable death to those planes' inhabitants, but on a larger scale they may be just a part of multiversal ecosystem. I.e. by eating/destroying worlds, the Eldrazi keep the number of planes in check, so that there wouldn't be too many planes close to each other or something. IMO, Eldrazi eating planes may actually be healthy for the multiverse. Why? Well, they're ancient. Really really ancient. And if they've been with the multiverse for that long and they're still around, it must mean that the multiverse is ok with that.
Plus, the multiverse is nigh-infinite with a nigh-infinite number of planes. Planes appear and collapse every second, so what does a disappearance of another plane actually mean?
My humble 2 cents.
Explain that to someone who got eaten by them then. They're ancient yes but they have been locked away on Zendikar for a long long time as well. They were so powerful that three super powerful planeswalkers had to lock them away from destroying the multiverse.
I myself think anyone who can concoct a plan to unleash these types of beings, and keep tabs on another ancient superpower like Phyrexians all in the hopes of taking advantage of it somehow is by far more evil than anyone wanting to cause destruction.
As someone said Nicol Bolas is a jester. Lets say like Loki in Viking Lore who basically cuased Ragnarok to happen. Evil or not, Jester are nothing but a Menace.
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The Multiverse is near infinte, even if the Eldarzi devoured plane at a very fast pace they wouldn't have been a threat to the multiverse.
I mean Galactus had to seek out worlds that could support life to feed, but the Eldarzi seem to be able to feed on any plane.
I think they were sealed up because they got too close to someone's home plane (or out of revenge for them eating a home plane), or because someone didn't want them to keep on eating planes.
But they aren't a threat to the multiverse directly.
In fact the only time the Multiverse has been threatened was in Time spiral. And even that's unclear on what would happen if they failed. (Bolas seemed pretty confident that he'd survive).
I'm going to say Karn being evil, since he has both Urza's mind and several others within him like Radiant. Having the Thran, Urza, Serra's Angels, and Karn's own persona all combined makes for some amalgam being that could if pressed destroy a lot of stuff if he has access to enough mana.
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Well, I'll vote for Phyrexia. Over 5000 thousand years of being opposed, had their home-plane and leader nuked, and here they are, back again. Destructive power (any sort of destructive, not just the blow-up kind) is of course a good indicator on how dangerous one is, but their persistence and ability to corrupt look a lot worse than even Emrakul's in-story whimsical wipe-out ability.
Does Bolas even have a clear goal going from what we know, or is he just content to scheme away for the rest of his long-lived life?
No, unfortunately not. That's his biggest flaw in character because we never know he's pulling the strings (or why) until the plan has already come to fruition. It's hard to root for the protagonists when there is no obvious conflict with an antagonist.
Nicol Bolas is the least of the three but shouldn't be relegated to irrelevancy since his biggest weapon is his actual intelligence and cunning. When Bolas was an old school planeswalker, he still kept his distance from the Phyrexians for a reason, as he watched other walkers fall to them. Now, Bolas is not the planeswalker he once was, but is still a major threat. He is the least of the three although may end up coming out on top through sheer manipulation and planning.
The next would be the Phyrexians. The scourge of the multiverse as they existed to conquer and recreate. The new generation just taking form on Mirrodin will take time to come together completely and have yet to have leaders like Yawgmoth and Tsabo Tavoc. Though, there may be others coming into shape elsewhere in the multiverse due to Karn's travels, they are all stuck for the moment on their individual planes.
That leaves the biggest threat to be the Eldrazi. Eater of worlds. Consumer of planes. If the Phyrexians could be compared to the Borg in Star Trek, then the Eldrazi would be the ancient gods from the HP Lovecraft novels. At the moment, they remain on Zendikar, but as they have done before, will roam the multiverse and blind eternities as they always have. The Eldrazi need nor care for logic, just hunger. This leaves no negotiating with a force that would consume the mana that even the phyrexians have use for.
Again, this goes as follows:
Eldrazi - No logic, just consume and devour.
Phyrexians - Conquer and reshape for an attempt at perfection in their eyes.
Nicol Bolas - Desire for a return to strength and knowledge and power he once held, setting him up to rule.
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i kind of have a feeling Wizards connected Eldrazi and Bolas just to make the Zendikar block apart of the story. like they just didn't want the Eldrazi coming out of no where. with no evidence or reason as to why Bolas wanted to release them i don't think they're going to go back to the Eldrazi for a while, if at all. i think Wizards set up the Zendikar block with the intent of going back to Mirrodin afterwords, to see how reintroducing an old set would work out, possibly planning to do the same with Zendikar.
sorry for bringing this more to marketing than speculation but this leads me to think that Bolas is currently the baddest threat in the Multiuniverse. only because we now know more about him and what he wants to achieve (sort of) compared to the Phyrexians who were just reintroduced. we don't have enough information on how powerful New Phyrexia is or what they can do, because we haven't seen them yet. we've seen Bolas in action, and all well aware of his powers. although, according to some he isn't all that great a villain apparently, i just think Wizards might be holding him back for some great outcome/scheme. but because we don't know how this minor quarrel of the five Praetors will turn out, we really can't say how badass New Phyrexia is
Yes only if the eldrazi was a creature not a Creature-Type.
I honestly don't understand this. There are only three Eldrazi, and it seems they travel together. It's not like there are millions of them roaming the multiverse devouring planes... there are three.
The eldrazi, are probably the most powerful. However, they seem to be just following their instinct to consume and eat. So that power is balanced off with predictability.
Bolas is very smart and powerful, but he doesn't really have an army, he does everything behind the scenes. Doesn't he want to consume the power from an eldrazi?
Phyrexians are probably the most balanced in terms of power and presence. They have large massive armies and the praetors seem to be relatively intelligent with a religious instinctual tilt. They already know of other planes. They just don't know how to reach them. What about the mirari in all of this?
I would say the most powerful right now are Eldrazi > Phyrexia > Bolas.
Tangent time! What if the phyrexians discover how to planes walk and travel to yawgmoth's tomb XD.
Tangent time! What if the phyrexians discover how to planes walk and travel to yawgmoth's tomb XD.
Then they'd be in Urborg and say, "Hey, there's a bunch of glistening oil just lazing around here! Get to work you apathetic chemical compound! Our oil made a civilization in a mere century. What have you done lately?"
I honestly don't understand this. There are only three Eldrazi, and it seems they travel together. It's not like there are millions of them roaming the multiverse devouring planes... there are three.
It's used as a creature-type because any spawn or drone that forms from the Eldrazi is still considered an Eldrazi.
I... I think that's what your "question" was. =/
honestly, for me it would be such a buzz kill if the Eldrazi, Bolas, AND Phyrexia became connected in some diabolical plot/block. it's weird, i feel the Eldrazi aren't much threat only because of the short period of time where we seen them. as i said before Nicol Bolas and Phyrexia have been around for far longer and we've seen the threat they can produce. from the storyline, the only thing we can conclude from the Eldrazi is they're "big, bad and full of mana".
I honestly don't understand this. There are only three Eldrazi, and it seems they travel together. It's not like there are millions of them roaming the multiverse devouring planes... there are three.
i think it would be awesome to make a block coming back to Zendikar based on the three Eldrazi beasts. one set for each of them.
It's used as a creature-type because any spawn or drone that forms from the Eldrazi is still considered an Eldrazi.
I... I think that's what your "question" was. =/
I'm well aware what he meant. I don't honestly understand how you can think the brood lineage is the same as the Titans.
That's like thinking a super villan is the same as his/her henchmen. They aren't even in the same league.
So nobody else thinks that the Eldrazi aren't a menace to the Multiverse at all? I mean, yes, they feed on entire planes, yes, they bring unavoidable death to those planes' inhabitants, but on a larger scale they may be just a part of multiversal ecosystem. I.e. by eating/destroying worlds, the Eldrazi keep the number of planes in check, so that there wouldn't be too many planes close to each other or something. IMO, Eldrazi eating planes may actually be healthy for the multiverse. Why? Well, they're ancient. Really really ancient. And if they've been with the multiverse for that long and they're still around, it must mean that the multiverse is ok with that.
Plus, the multiverse is nigh-infinite with a nigh-infinite number of planes. Planes appear and collapse every second, so what does a disappearance of another plane actually mean?
My humble 2 cents.
I've almost said as much, but I actually like this line of thinking since it goes further than I've ever thought about it.
I mean, it's easy to see the Eldrazi as some kind of multiversal natural disaster beset upon planes, but to imagine them as a systemic predator created specifically because the proliferation of planes in the multiverse was possibly hazardous? That's an idea I never thought to cater before now.
Extrapolating from that zaniness, wouldn't it be absolutely wonderful if the sole reason Bolas released them was in part b/c the multiverse had somehow generated too many planes and the Eldrazi's release was a necessary action to prevent another slapdash Mending? After all, we know that if Bolas could prevent another one of those, he'd do so in a heartbeat.
Mindless conjecture, of course. But it's fun to think of the Eldrazi as a necessary entropy that the multiverse has been lacking.
Extrapolating from that zaniness, wouldn't it be absolutely wonderful if the sole reason Bolas released them was in part b/c the multiverse had somehow generated too many planes and the Eldrazi's release was a necessary action to prevent another slapdash Mending? After all, we know that if Bolas could prevent another one of those, he'd do so in a heartbeat.
Haha, Bolas as the good guy! I like it!
That would make the Eldrazi considerably deeper. I'd be pretty interested in them following an announcement like that.
It seems like they're grooming Bolas to be the penultimate mustache twirler. It's not a very becoming archetype for a dragon. It seems like Sorin would be more of that melodrama staple.
I bet Bolas' weakness is chocolate and puppies. I bet he's really a sweet dragon at heart.
Agreed.
The Eldrazi are running rampant through the Multiverse. I'm sure they can feed on countless smaller planes we've never heard of until they come back up in the storyline. Bolas is extremely smart, he is extremely powerful, and he can **** up some amazing schemes. Phyrexia is fledgeling (on Mirrodin), and meeting with any other branch of Phyrexians in the Multiverse is bound to end in disaster for whatever plane they're on.
Eldrazi are the biggest threat, because they're plane-hopping. Bolas at a close second, because he obviously has a plan on dealing with the Eldrazi. Phyrexia last, because if they ever met other Phyrexians, all hell would break loose.
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I don't know. I always figured that they would come across one another, "sense" each other the way Xancha could sense other Phyrexians and be like *brofist* or something. I really have not gotten to read any of the story since... Time Spiral? And even then, it was only the first book of the block, so I do not know how they know Yawggies, old plans or if it is just ingrained in their being.
Well it might be like that. But I've noticed at least Mirrodin's Phyrexians look waaaay more organic than any other Phyrexian I've ever seen. And even if they recognize each other, there's bound to be differences in philosophy. Sort of like the Christian church today. And then they would start fighting and it would be really bad for them. Ooh maybe a future set will feature a Phyrexian Civil War.
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Plus, the multiverse is nigh-infinite with a nigh-infinite number of planes. Planes appear and collapse every second, so what does a disappearance of another plane actually mean?
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Explain that to someone who got eaten by them then. They're ancient yes but they have been locked away on Zendikar for a long long time as well. They were so powerful that three super powerful planeswalkers had to lock them away from destroying the multiverse.
I myself think anyone who can concoct a plan to unleash these types of beings, and keep tabs on another ancient superpower like Phyrexians all in the hopes of taking advantage of it somehow is by far more evil than anyone wanting to cause destruction.
As someone said Nicol Bolas is a jester. Lets say like Loki in Viking Lore who basically cuased Ragnarok to happen. Evil or not, Jester are nothing but a Menace.
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I mean Galactus had to seek out worlds that could support life to feed, but the Eldarzi seem to be able to feed on any plane.
I think they were sealed up because they got too close to someone's home plane (or out of revenge for them eating a home plane), or because someone didn't want them to keep on eating planes.
But they aren't a threat to the multiverse directly.
In fact the only time the Multiverse has been threatened was in Time spiral. And even that's unclear on what would happen if they failed. (Bolas seemed pretty confident that he'd survive).
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I'm not sure what the 'spoils' might even be, aside from magical girl-fueled energy to reverse entropy in the multiverse.
Does Bolas even have a clear goal going from what we know, or is he just content to scheme away for the rest of his long-lived life?
No, unfortunately not. That's his biggest flaw in character because we never know he's pulling the strings (or why) until the plan has already come to fruition. It's hard to root for the protagonists when there is no obvious conflict with an antagonist.
The next would be the Phyrexians. The scourge of the multiverse as they existed to conquer and recreate. The new generation just taking form on Mirrodin will take time to come together completely and have yet to have leaders like Yawgmoth and Tsabo Tavoc. Though, there may be others coming into shape elsewhere in the multiverse due to Karn's travels, they are all stuck for the moment on their individual planes.
That leaves the biggest threat to be the Eldrazi. Eater of worlds. Consumer of planes. If the Phyrexians could be compared to the Borg in Star Trek, then the Eldrazi would be the ancient gods from the HP Lovecraft novels. At the moment, they remain on Zendikar, but as they have done before, will roam the multiverse and blind eternities as they always have. The Eldrazi need nor care for logic, just hunger. This leaves no negotiating with a force that would consume the mana that even the phyrexians have use for.
Again, this goes as follows:
Eldrazi - No logic, just consume and devour.
Phyrexians - Conquer and reshape for an attempt at perfection in their eyes.
Nicol Bolas - Desire for a return to strength and knowledge and power he once held, setting him up to rule.
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sorry for bringing this more to marketing than speculation but this leads me to think that Bolas is currently the baddest threat in the Multiuniverse. only because we now know more about him and what he wants to achieve (sort of) compared to the Phyrexians who were just reintroduced. we don't have enough information on how powerful New Phyrexia is or what they can do, because we haven't seen them yet. we've seen Bolas in action, and all well aware of his powers. although, according to some he isn't all that great a villain apparently, i just think Wizards might be holding him back for some great outcome/scheme. but because we don't know how this minor quarrel of the five Praetors will turn out, we really can't say how badass New Phyrexia is
Yes only if the eldrazi was a creature not a Creature-Type.
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1. Eldrazi
2. Phyrexians
3. Nicol "Khadafi" Bolas -> Just wants to rule, nomatter what will happen to others.
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I honestly don't understand this. There are only three Eldrazi, and it seems they travel together. It's not like there are millions of them roaming the multiverse devouring planes... there are three.
Bolas is very smart and powerful, but he doesn't really have an army, he does everything behind the scenes. Doesn't he want to consume the power from an eldrazi?
Phyrexians are probably the most balanced in terms of power and presence. They have large massive armies and the praetors seem to be relatively intelligent with a religious instinctual tilt. They already know of other planes. They just don't know how to reach them. What about the mirari in all of this?
I would say the most powerful right now are Eldrazi > Phyrexia > Bolas.
Tangent time! What if the phyrexians discover how to planes walk and travel to yawgmoth's tomb XD.
Then they'd be in Urborg and say, "Hey, there's a bunch of glistening oil just lazing around here! Get to work you apathetic chemical compound! Our oil made a civilization in a mere century. What have you done lately?"
It's used as a creature-type because any spawn or drone that forms from the Eldrazi is still considered an Eldrazi.
I... I think that's what your "question" was. =/
on that note
i think it would be awesome to make a block coming back to Zendikar based on the three Eldrazi beasts. one set for each of them.
I'm well aware what he meant. I don't honestly understand how you can think the brood lineage is the same as the Titans.
That's like thinking a super villan is the same as his/her henchmen. They aren't even in the same league.
I've almost said as much, but I actually like this line of thinking since it goes further than I've ever thought about it.
I mean, it's easy to see the Eldrazi as some kind of multiversal natural disaster beset upon planes, but to imagine them as a systemic predator created specifically because the proliferation of planes in the multiverse was possibly hazardous? That's an idea I never thought to cater before now.
Extrapolating from that zaniness, wouldn't it be absolutely wonderful if the sole reason Bolas released them was in part b/c the multiverse had somehow generated too many planes and the Eldrazi's release was a necessary action to prevent another slapdash Mending? After all, we know that if Bolas could prevent another one of those, he'd do so in a heartbeat.
Mindless conjecture, of course. But it's fun to think of the Eldrazi as a necessary entropy that the multiverse has been lacking.
Haha, Bolas as the good guy! I like it!
That would make the Eldrazi considerably deeper. I'd be pretty interested in them following an announcement like that.
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