"New Phyrexia" could be refering to the Eldrazi. It would be a Meta-reference, but not outside the possibility of an oldwalker to make.
Um just...no. "Rise of the Eldrazi" are referring to the Eldrazi. New Phyrexia come sin a set involving Mirrodin so if anything New Phyrexia is a reference to Argentum.
Um just...no. "Rise of the Eldrazi" are referring to the Eldrazi. New Phyrexia come sin a set involving Mirrodin so if anything New Phyrexia is a reference to Argentum.
I have a feeling that the "biggest threats to the multiverse" aren't going away at the end of Zendikar. I think they'll become a major player in the story from then on.
"New Phyrexia" could be a reference to Mirrodin, or to the remains of Phyrexia, or it could reference a new race rising up and threating the entire multiverse.
We don't know. We don't know what "New Phyrexia" is a reference to. In fact, that could be thier sneaky way of saying "we're going to set this set on Phyrexia"*.
* Whenever you visit a new plane, you have to have that plane's name in the set's title. We've never had a set take place on Phyrexia directly, so it might fall into that rule. We'll have to see.
I hope this " New phyrexia" is Mirrodin. That place has always reminded me of phyrexia anyway. Dross HarvesterDross Prowler. As far as him yell rza's eyes , no! it might just be an expresion. If it is , it strikes me as a very strage one. I though he was refuring to the stones that made him a planeswalker and something go wrong with them.
Edit - Did they say that Yawgmoth was killed? Its been a long time since I've read it.
Even if they didn't they made Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth with the following flavortext:
"Yawgmoth's corpse is a wound in the universe. His foul blood seeps out, infecting the land with his final curse." —Lord Windgrace
So we can safely assume that he is dead. But as always in fantasy there are ways for sure that could reanimate him. But I hope they won't for the same reason as in like 99% of all threads about it. Yawgy is dead (thats good. Good fight and... ok next please) and it took a few oldwalkers!!! plus the legacy!!! to stop and kill him so powerful was yawgy.
Also it would lower the story about Urza the Invasion and everything which they probably won't ever do.
Agreed, sometimes nostalgia takes over. ( Hey! Wheres Suqee?!? )
Still, it's nice to be visited by characters past.
I always appreciated WOTC not having a problem letting you get attached to a story line, only to blow it up, or have him/her turn into something hideous & kill their friends.
On that note, perhaps Karn unwittingly released the soul of Glacius from Urzas Eyes, and he wants revenge!!!!
I hope this " New phyrexia" is Mirrodin. That place has always reminded me of phyrexia anyway. Dross HarvesterDross Prowler. As far as him yell rza's eyes , no! it might just be an expresion. If it is , it strikes me as a very strage one. I though he was refuring to the stones that made him a planeswalker and something go wrong with them.
The Dross is very diffrent from Phyrexia. The Dross consumed the lifeforce of anything living in it, turning them into Nim. It has a pretty interesting hiearchy. And only a peice of Mirrodin was the Dross.
Edit - Did they say that Yawgmoth was killed? Its been a long time since I've read it.
It's a pretty good bet he's dead. He's too powerful to pit against the neowalkers, and they've already tried to sweep his "return" under the rug.
Edit - Did they say that Yawgmoth was killed? Its been a long time since I've read it.
They have a card "blurb" speaking about Yawgmoth's corpse so I believe he is dead. I hope he is dead. Bring him back and all the currently walkers, Bolas included, would be killed by the black cloud's thoughts alone. I would love to see a comic or short story where it is Bolas vs Yawgmoth. We would see then just how truly "Fail" Bolas is, lol.
They have a card "blurb" speaking about Yawgmoth's corpse so I believe he is dead. I hope he is dead. Bring him back and all the currently walkers, Bolas included, would be killed by the black cloud's thoughts alone. I would love to see a comic or short story where it is Bolas vs Yawgmoth. We would see then just how truly "Fail" Bolas is, lol.
After absorbing the malestrom isn't bolas back at full power? I might be a good fight if he is. I was asking abuot yawgmoth because I can't remember reading about him dieing anywhere. Some blurlb on a card sayng " look it the super bad@$$ bad guys corpse." Is a truely lame way to kill someone in a story. No expenation , "and now he dead"
After absorbing the malestrom isn't bolas back at full power? I might be a good fight if he is.
We don't know. Though it's unlikely that the Neowalkers can ever get back to thier original power through just absorbing mana...
In Time spiral, it was revealed that planeswalkers have acess to near infinite amounts of mana from the blind eternities. Sucking up all the mana from Alara might give Bolas a boost for awhile, but it will run out.
* Also note that the original planeswalker who sucked out Alara's power did the same thing as Bolas. So it's not like he's still running around as Planeswalker level 2.
I was asking abuot yawgmoth because I can't remember reading about him dieing anywhere. Some blurlb on a card sayng " look it the super bad@$$ bad guys corpse." Is a truely lame way to kill someone in a story. No expenation , "and now he dead"
Yawgmoth was destroyed by the Legacy weapon focused through the Null moon. The resulting blast took a sizable chunk out of Phyrexia and likely killed Yawgmoth.
In Scourge, Karona visits Phyrexia on her tour of the multiverse, and there she meets a shadow of Yawgmoth's former self. (we also see phyrexia with a huge hole in it). This is later said to be a construction of Karona, and that it never actually happened.*
In Time Spiral, we got Yawgmoth's Tomb, as a way of saying "okay, he's dead", just to close up a final story point.
So Yawgmoth is likely dead, he was killed by Urza and crew using the Legacy weapon. It's the best death i can imagine for him, and having him still be alive makes everyone's sacrifices meaningless.
* This is supported by the fact that snow Phyrexians in Time spiral prove the existance of alternate realities connected to the time rifts, the act of Karona that created a time rift was when she first made contact with Yawgmoth, that at the same time she connected with Teferi as the "white god", and that when asked about it, Teferi had no knowledge of ever talking to Karona.
Skibo, that's incorrect. Teferi's mentioning that Karona's meeting did not involve him in any way is irrelevant to whether or not Yawgmoth is still alive, for a number of reasons. First, it only proves that Teferi--the real Teferi--was not present at the meeting. Second, we know that Ixidor was at this meeting, as he confirms it in the very next chapter. So the meetings did occur, and we only have evidence that the real Teferi was not at the meeting. Third, regardless of whether or not it was the real Yawgmoth at the meeting, Karona met him again later on in the same book by traveling to Phyrexia. All of this is evidence that he's still alive.
But of course, we also have evidence that he's very much dead. Let's completely ignore Windgrace's flavor text on Tomb of Yawgmoth. It's possible he's being poetic, just as it's possible he's being factual. We do know, from the books, that Windgrace somehow confirmed that Yawgmoth is dead. But we only have his word on this. Obviously, a planeswalker isn't a great source of information on anything, but I see no reason for him to be intentionally misleading. The book doesn't mention just how Windgrace possesses this information or what he had to go through to get it; but it was the Time Spiral Cycle, ambiguity is the name of the game.
So as it stands we have information pointing to him being alive, and we have information pointing to him being dead. All we can really know for certain is that he might or might not be alive. Which is extremely annoying, wherever you stand on the "do/don't bring Yawgmoth back" fence. Hopefully we'll know next year for certain.
(I'm straddling the fence. My brain tells me what a stupid idea it would be to bring him back, but my brain also wants to see him kill that stupid ****ing lizard a thousand times over.)
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Skibo, that's incorrect. Teferi's mentioning that Karona's meeting did not involve him in any way is irrelevant to whether or not Yawgmoth is still alive, for a number of reasons. First, it only proves that Teferi--the real Teferi--was not present at the meeting. Second, we know that Ixidor was at this meeting, as he confirms it in the very next chapter. So the meetings did occur, and we only have evidence that the real Teferi was not at the meeting. Third, regardless of whether or not it was the real Yawgmoth at the meeting, Karona met him again later on in the same book by traveling to Phyrexia. All of this is evidence that he's still alive.
Indeed, I forgot that she contacted Ixidor...
I don't know. They... they messed things up pretty badly with that whole thing.
Anyways, we have one confirmed meeting and one non-confirmed meeting. Her visting Phyrexia and meeting Yawgmoth could go either way really, until we return to Phyrexia there isn't any way of knowing whether that was real or not.
I'm going to go with the most recent message, and that's that Yawgmoth is dead.
Third, regardless of whether or not it was the real Yawgmoth at the meeting, Karona met him again later on in the same book by traveling to Phyrexia. All of this is evidence that he's still alive.
Wait wait, I don't recall Karona ever visiting Phyrexia, and I just re-read that book.
As for if Yawgie is alive or not, he is(was) a 'god' of death, you would think that being killed would be one of his least worries.
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Wait wait, I don't recall Karona ever visiting Phyrexia, and I just re-read that book.
Near the end of the book, the Numbea? devise a trap for Karona, Kamahl sees her struggling in it and wishes that she could just leave Dominaria... so she planeswalks.
She visits Mercadia, Serra's realm, Mirrodin, and Phyrexia.
She only stays on Phyrexia for a few paragraphs, talks with Yawgmoth (as a shadow of his former self) and then flies off.
As for if Yawgie is alive or not, he is(was) a 'god' of death, you would think that being killed would be one of his least worries.
Yawgmoth isn't the god of death... if he was anything he was a god of life. He's a healer, who tooks his art to an extreme.
@ Skibo - Oh, yeah, they definitely butchered the whole Yawgmoth/Karona/Mecadia/Serra's-Realm/everything thing. I really wonder WTF Lebow was doing at the time. You don't let Brian Michael Bendis kill the entire Marvel Universe, and you don't let J. Robert King bring everybody in Magic back to life. Argh!
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McGough used to be in charge. He was good, but I'd vote for Brady to be in charge of the setting and creative team and Pete Venters to be in charge of the continuity and storyline team.
I'd also vote for a billion dollars, my own island, and a sandwich.
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I'd vote for a billion dollar sandwich.
As in, either a sandwich that cost a billion dollars or a sandwich made of a billion dollars. Either is good.
@Eid- Unfortunately, I never really got to see pete while he was in charge, but I do like a lot of the work Brady has done.
As for Scott.... Well, the Kamigawa books were sublime, but to be quite truthful none of his other books really speak to me. Like at all. I've never read Torment, so maybe that's why my interpretations of his work are stilted towards the "well he had this one great cycle... but everything else...."
I'd vote for a billion dollar sandwich.
As in, either a sandwich that cost a billion dollars or a sandwich made of a billion dollars. Either is good.
@Eid- Unfortunately, I never really got to see pete while he was in charge, but I do like a lot of the work Brady has done.
As for Scott.... Well, the Kamigawa books were sublime, but to be quite truthful none of his other books really speak to me. Like at all. I've never read Torment, so maybe that's why my interpretations of his work are stilted towards the "well he had this one great cycle... but everything else...."
No, that's about right I believe. Chainer's Torment was very good, but it had a pretty goofy ending. I enjoyed his Legends II cycle this first time I read it, but not at all the second time I read it. It's okay, but spends way too much time going absolutely nowhere, and the last book was laughable. The Kamigawa Cycle definitely was his best work.
But, take my word for it, Pete Venters is a god.
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It's amazing what you can find when you search your name... And it beats the hell out of other mentions where I am held up as the acceptable level of crappiness in Magic art. I always said you had to have thick skin to be a freelance artist and things just keep proving me right...
But he said once, he wouldn't like to get back this job. At least, not as a head of the Team.
Well, it's not even a matter of leading a team or not. I worked on Magic for 3 years (95 to 98) and while there was a lot of the foundations of the multiverse done then, it's so damn long ago. My memory of that stuff is shaky and y'know, props to Brady for still being there 12 years later. It's a tough job. No, really it is.
Hey, it worked on Callypso in PotC.
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I remember someone telling me that Karn went back in time and disappered? Is this the truth? If it is so, i am on the band wagon that Karn returns this Fall 2010!
My predictions of Karn: Mirrodin becomes new Phyrexia, Karn will make a reappearance, and most likely so will old Yawgy.
I have a feeling that the "biggest threats to the multiverse" aren't going away at the end of Zendikar. I think they'll become a major player in the story from then on.
"New Phyrexia" could be a reference to Mirrodin, or to the remains of Phyrexia, or it could reference a new race rising up and threating the entire multiverse.
We don't know. We don't know what "New Phyrexia" is a reference to. In fact, that could be thier sneaky way of saying "we're going to set this set on Phyrexia"*.
* Whenever you visit a new plane, you have to have that plane's name in the set's title. We've never had a set take place on Phyrexia directly, so it might fall into that rule. We'll have to see.
Edit - Did they say that Yawgmoth was killed? Its been a long time since I've read it.
Agreed, sometimes nostalgia takes over. ( Hey! Wheres Suqee?!? )
Still, it's nice to be visited by characters past.
I always appreciated WOTC not having a problem letting you get attached to a story line, only to blow it up, or have him/her turn into something hideous & kill their friends.
On that note, perhaps Karn unwittingly released the soul of Glacius from Urzas Eyes, and he wants revenge!!!!
The Dross is very diffrent from Phyrexia. The Dross consumed the lifeforce of anything living in it, turning them into Nim. It has a pretty interesting hiearchy. And only a peice of Mirrodin was the Dross.
It's a pretty good bet he's dead. He's too powerful to pit against the neowalkers, and they've already tried to sweep his "return" under the rug.
They have a card "blurb" speaking about Yawgmoth's corpse so I believe he is dead. I hope he is dead. Bring him back and all the currently walkers, Bolas included, would be killed by the black cloud's thoughts alone. I would love to see a comic or short story where it is Bolas vs Yawgmoth. We would see then just how truly "Fail" Bolas is, lol.
After absorbing the malestrom isn't bolas back at full power? I might be a good fight if he is. I was asking abuot yawgmoth because I can't remember reading about him dieing anywhere. Some blurlb on a card sayng " look it the super bad@$$ bad guys corpse." Is a truely lame way to kill someone in a story. No expenation , "and now he dead"
We don't know. Though it's unlikely that the Neowalkers can ever get back to thier original power through just absorbing mana...
In Time spiral, it was revealed that planeswalkers have acess to near infinite amounts of mana from the blind eternities. Sucking up all the mana from Alara might give Bolas a boost for awhile, but it will run out.
* Also note that the original planeswalker who sucked out Alara's power did the same thing as Bolas. So it's not like he's still running around as Planeswalker level 2.
Yawgmoth was destroyed by the Legacy weapon focused through the Null moon. The resulting blast took a sizable chunk out of Phyrexia and likely killed Yawgmoth.
In Scourge, Karona visits Phyrexia on her tour of the multiverse, and there she meets a shadow of Yawgmoth's former self. (we also see phyrexia with a huge hole in it). This is later said to be a construction of Karona, and that it never actually happened.*
In Time Spiral, we got Yawgmoth's Tomb, as a way of saying "okay, he's dead", just to close up a final story point.
So Yawgmoth is likely dead, he was killed by Urza and crew using the Legacy weapon. It's the best death i can imagine for him, and having him still be alive makes everyone's sacrifices meaningless.
* This is supported by the fact that snow Phyrexians in Time spiral prove the existance of alternate realities connected to the time rifts, the act of Karona that created a time rift was when she first made contact with Yawgmoth, that at the same time she connected with Teferi as the "white god", and that when asked about it, Teferi had no knowledge of ever talking to Karona.
But of course, we also have evidence that he's very much dead. Let's completely ignore Windgrace's flavor text on Tomb of Yawgmoth. It's possible he's being poetic, just as it's possible he's being factual. We do know, from the books, that Windgrace somehow confirmed that Yawgmoth is dead. But we only have his word on this. Obviously, a planeswalker isn't a great source of information on anything, but I see no reason for him to be intentionally misleading. The book doesn't mention just how Windgrace possesses this information or what he had to go through to get it; but it was the Time Spiral Cycle, ambiguity is the name of the game.
So as it stands we have information pointing to him being alive, and we have information pointing to him being dead. All we can really know for certain is that he might or might not be alive. Which is extremely annoying, wherever you stand on the "do/don't bring Yawgmoth back" fence. Hopefully we'll know next year for certain.
(I'm straddling the fence. My brain tells me what a stupid idea it would be to bring him back, but my brain also wants to see him kill that stupid ****ing lizard a thousand times over.)
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Indeed, I forgot that she contacted Ixidor...
I don't know. They... they messed things up pretty badly with that whole thing.
Anyways, we have one confirmed meeting and one non-confirmed meeting. Her visting Phyrexia and meeting Yawgmoth could go either way really, until we return to Phyrexia there isn't any way of knowing whether that was real or not.
I'm going to go with the most recent message, and that's that Yawgmoth is dead.
Wait wait, I don't recall Karona ever visiting Phyrexia, and I just re-read that book.
As for if Yawgie is alive or not, he is(was) a 'god' of death, you would think that being killed would be one of his least worries.
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Near the end of the book, the Numbea? devise a trap for Karona, Kamahl sees her struggling in it and wishes that she could just leave Dominaria... so she planeswalks.
She visits Mercadia, Serra's realm, Mirrodin, and Phyrexia.
She only stays on Phyrexia for a few paragraphs, talks with Yawgmoth (as a shadow of his former self) and then flies off.
Yawgmoth isn't the god of death... if he was anything he was a god of life. He's a healer, who tooks his art to an extreme.
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I'd also vote for a billion dollars, my own island, and a sandwich.
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As in, either a sandwich that cost a billion dollars or a sandwich made of a billion dollars. Either is good.
@Eid- Unfortunately, I never really got to see pete while he was in charge, but I do like a lot of the work Brady has done.
As for Scott.... Well, the Kamigawa books were sublime, but to be quite truthful none of his other books really speak to me. Like at all. I've never read Torment, so maybe that's why my interpretations of his work are stilted towards the "well he had this one great cycle... but everything else...."
No, that's about right I believe. Chainer's Torment was very good, but it had a pretty goofy ending. I enjoyed his Legends II cycle this first time I read it, but not at all the second time I read it. It's okay, but spends way too much time going absolutely nowhere, and the last book was laughable. The Kamigawa Cycle definitely was his best work.
But, take my word for it, Pete Venters is a god.
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It's amazing what you can find when you search your name... And it beats the hell out of other mentions where I am held up as the acceptable level of crappiness in Magic art. I always said you had to have thick skin to be a freelance artist and things just keep proving me right...
Well, it's not even a matter of leading a team or not. I worked on Magic for 3 years (95 to 98) and while there was a lot of the foundations of the multiverse done then, it's so damn long ago. My memory of that stuff is shaky and y'know, props to Brady for still being there 12 years later. It's a tough job. No, really it is.
Hrm. Wait... you would attempt to shackle a god?!?!?!?
Okay, moving on... thanks for the kind words, guys.
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My predictions of Karn: Mirrodin becomes new Phyrexia, Karn will make a reappearance, and most likely so will old Yawgy.