I agree, even though he says "in cards" it is pretty obvious he is referring to Sorrin. Still you never know, wants the wild Son finishes we might see Garruk was an old walker but I highly doubt it. The only reason I would say that it is a possibility is because he seems to be pretty wise when Green is usually just beastial.
Green's beastial nature gets played up more in card games because, well, that's what wins games/sell cards. Red gets the same treatment; passion can include friendship, love and lust but since Magic is a PG-13 card game about combat, those aspects don't get played up as much.
I find Garruk, wisdom included, to be a good representation of what green is in depth. Yes green has its "Hulk Smash!" aspect (Berserk) but green, like blue, can be very deep intellectually, as seen with card draw (harmonize).
And i'd like to have a toilet seat made of pure gold, the fact is, both of our wishes probably won't came through.
For one, Teferi has lost his spark and Venser wasn't immortal, so the'll be both dead at this moment.
But, if we do both get wat we want, it probably would end up smelling like poo.
Teferi and Venser are mortal but teferi is also one uber powerful blue mage. It wouldnt take much effort for him to phase out himself or venser. They could pop back in who knows when.
Teferi and Venser are mortal but teferi is also one uber powerful blue mage. It wouldnt take much effort for him to phase out himself or venser. They could pop back in who knows when.
Actually, it WOULD take a lot of effort for him to do it. He isn't what he used to be, and we've already had proof that he's a much much weaker mage than he was. Even with his specialty magic.
As it is, Teferi may be around because of the Tolarian time water.
Venser on the other hand is probably dead as his personality was.
Actually, it WOULD take a lot of effort for him to do it. He isn't what he used to be, and we've already had proof that he's a much much weaker mage than he was. Even with his specialty magic.
As it is, Teferi may be around because of the Tolarian time water.
Venser on the other hand is probably dead as his personality was.
Yeah, those were my thoughts as well. It'll even be harder for him to develop new slow-time water now. Certainly not impossible, but he's going to be more limited due to fewer resources and less magic at his disposal. Still, if anybody can do it, it's Teferi.
Stupid ****ing Teferi.
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If they wanted too Venser could still be alive. They screwed up the whole thing during Time Spiral and created a new type of planeswalker (Riftwalker)*. Since Venser is this new type of walker, he might be immune to the effects of the mending and thus could still be immortal (Weak and immortal).
* The riftwalkers (who appear to be post-mending walkers), showed up before the mending and were tied directly to the rifts. Since the mending changed the spark, these "riftwalkers" couldn't be the first neowalkers (as they'd only show up after the mending.
If they wanted too Venser could still be alive. They screwed up the whole thing during Time Spiral and created a new type of planeswalker (Riftwalker)*. Since Venser is this new type of walker, he might be immune to the effects of the mending and thus could still be immortal (Weak and immortal).
* The riftwalkers (who appear to be post-mending walkers), showed up before the mending and were tied directly to the rifts. Since the mending changed the spark, these "riftwalkers" couldn't be the first neowalkers (as they'd only show up after the mending.
Agreed. They were oldwalkers who had their spark "mutated" or "deformed." So technically the 'walkers we have now are third generation 'walkers (with the second gen being warped first gens).
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If they wanted too Venser could still be alive. They screwed up the whole thing during Time Spiral and created a new type of planeswalker (Riftwalker)*. Since Venser is this new type of walker, he might be immune to the effects of the mending and thus could still be immortal (Weak and immortal).
* The riftwalkers (who appear to be post-mending walkers), showed up before the mending and were tied directly to the rifts. Since the mending changed the spark, these "riftwalkers" couldn't be the first neowalkers (as they'd only show up after the mending.
If he was immortal back in Time Spiral, he was a really piss poor immortal. He might not die of old age, but given his skills, he's probably going to die to something else.
Then again, he did survive Urborg... Still, so incredibly weak.
If he was immortal back in Time Spiral, he was a really piss poor immortal. He might not die of old age, but given his skills, he's probably going to die to something else.
Then again, he did survive Urborg... Still, so incredibly weak.
Don't you know? Immortality means "you live forever unless something kills you"! Just like nigh-omnipotent means "you are powerful" and nigh-immortal means "you live to be a hundred"!
People need to seriously use the term "ageless". An ageless person wouldn't die of old age, but could be killed by a bullet to the brainpan. An immortal person just cannot die under any circumstances. Which would be Konda in his present state, I suppose.
But that's my eternal crusade.
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Actually, it WOULD take a lot of effort for him to do it. He isn't what he used to be, and we've already had proof that he's a much much weaker mage than he was. Even with his specialty magic.
As it is, Teferi may be around because of the Tolarian time water.
Venser on the other hand is probably dead as his personality was.
Ill have to respectfully disagree here. In the time sprial books , after he burns out his spark , they have a chapter where he is trying to remember how to draw mana like a normal wizard and is bearly able to gather enough to cast the flight spell. In the middle of his slow rise he is attacked by a monster throwing knives at him and he effortlessly throws a phasing field up around himself , that he maintains with equal ease , that phases out anything that touches it. I think he can use his signature spell preaty well still. All he needs is time to practice as a normal mage again. I hope he somehow finds a way to reignite his spark , it was my understanding that it was burned out not destoryed. Kinda like blowing out a candle , the potential is still there just have to relight it.
I also hope to run in to Jodah again sometime. Not sure what his status is in the current story but hes been around for all the major events in history and I like him as a character.
I fear I might have derailed this thread Anyway I didnt follow the alara story arc so I have some question about bolas' over all plan. Did he get to steal all the mana from alara? If he did what does that meen for alara and the rest of the multiverse? Is he going to try to do it again somewhere else? What is his end game?
I fear I might have derailed this thread Anyway I didnt follow the alara story arc so I have some question about bolas' over all plan. Did he get to steal all the mana from alara? If he did what does that meen for alara and the rest of the multiverse? Is he going to try to do it again somewhere else? What is his end game?
Your guess is pretty much as good as ours. Bolas created all of the ocnflicts on Alara to have the five shards merge to create a huge store of mana that he basically fuzed with. In the end though another planeswalker, Ajani, created a "spirit clone" of Bolas and Spirit-Bolas and Bolas fought and fled. No one knows how strong he is and where he is at the moment. No one knows what is going on in Alara because every Planeswalker pretty much said "Kthnxbye" when the Maelstrom(large body of mana) was absorbed.
I fear I might have derailed this thread Anyway I didnt follow the alara story arc so I have some question about bolas' over all plan. Did he get to steal all the mana from alara? If he did what does that meen for alara and the rest of the multiverse? Is he going to try to do it again somewhere else? What is his end game?
The Maelstrom wasn't exactly Alara's mana. It was mana expended during the conflux wars and all the excess bleed of mana while the plane tried to reach equilibrium again.
Think of it like this, all the mana is drained from Alara and it breaks. Each shard then refills mana with only three colors, but it fills it back up to the total amount of mana Alara had. When Alara reformed, there was a massive amount of excess mana coming from the other planes. Or at least that is what I believe.
As for how much Bolas managed to nom, nearly all of it. Like 99 percent. Ajani snapped up the last one percent.
I fear I might have derailed this thread Anyway I didnt follow the alara story arc so I have some question about bolas' over all plan. Did he get to steal all the mana from alara? If he did what does that meen for alara and the rest of the multiverse? Is he going to try to do it again somewhere else? What is his end game?
The guding mantra of the creative team is "when you can be vague, be vague". They never like to say what happens or make a 100% commitment to anything.
Did Bolas steal all of Alara's mana... we don't know. They don't tell us.
Is he alive... we don't know they didn't tell us.
What are his plans... we don't know.
Why is bolas considered a "villain"? He's a highly inteligent dragon (and dragons just happen to be that way). He basically saved the day at the end of timespiral because he's basically the self proclaimed ruler of the multiverse but thats because he kinda IS the most powerful being in it. He doesn't really destroy or conquer that much from what I saw, though he was kinda angry at umawaza. Then after the sparks changed, he was angry at losing his power and (I haven't read any magic stories since the fat packs stopped containing them and refuse to buy them, I want my damn fat pack books back). So bolas searches for a way, finds Alara is broken and finds a way he can restore the plane with a mass of energy to restore his power. Grixis was already a hellhole so why not use that place, especially if war is how the shards would return to normal. I'm really not sure how he can be portraid as a villain when he's merely chaotic neutral and out for himself and restored the plane (a good thing) in the process of gaining his power back. From what I read in the thread he said "we'll be gods once more" which would mean he was trying to get his OWN power back so he could find a way to restore the spark to its original power. So... What makes him a villain? Aside from making planeswalkers too powerful for wizards to print again (which is bullcrap, they have loyalty anyway so they're never outright killed so old walkers would be fine). Bolas just wants to be a god again and go back to doing what he was doing before.
He wasn't just angry at Umezawa, he was determined to systematically hunt down and kill every person responsible for Tetsuo's existence on Dominaria, as well as his ancestors and descendants.
To get his power from Alara, he didn't just find a way to bring the plane together. We don't know if he was at all responsible for the Conflux, or if it was a natural event that he was taking advantage of. To get his power, he purposefully engineered a five-way war between the shards, killing hundreds for his personal gain. You say restoring Alara is a good thing, but that's not necessarily true. Most of the shards seemed perfectly fine without the other four; the conflux caused massive devastation of the people and cultures involved. Even if it all settles down in the end, it can't be said with absolute certainty that they are better off than when they were separate.
It's hard to take arguments seriously from someone who admits that they haven't actually read the books their arguments are based on.
Grixis got the most benefit out of it. Jund probably did too. But there are many, many people in Naya, Bant, and Esper who had their lives, society, and culture ruined by the Conflux. Some people gained from it, some people lost from it. It's not a clear cut issue. but the fact of the matter is that all of the war and bloodshed was good for nobody but Bolas. And maybe some necromancers. It all depends on your perspective.
Not that Bolas cared who helped or hurt. What happened to Alara meant nothing to him, as long as he could becomes a god again. Sowing war, hate, and destruction over an entire world for your own gain is absolutely a villainous quality.
Not that Bolas cared who helped or hurt. What happened to Alara meant nothing to him, as long as he could becomes a god again. Sowing war, hate, and destruction over an entire world for your own gain is absolutely a villainous quality.
Let's not forget that one element clearly proves he had designs on Alara well before the Mending: Marisi. At some point in Naya's past, he manipulated Marisi into driving the Nacatl into a massive conflict that completely destroyed their empire over Naya and reduced them to the tribal society we saw when the game's focus turned to Alara.
Bolas is a villain, through and through, and while he does have an appalling lack of humility and underestimates his foes time and time again, he is most certainly an opponent to be feared, within the game and out. If he ever does deign to look at the Evil Overlord list, Yawgmoth and the Eldrazi combined may still not be enough.
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The franchise MtG most resembles is Battlestar Galactica. Why? Its players exist in, at most, a dozen different models at any given point in time, with perhaps up to 3% variation, 5% if you're lucky.
I remember them saying Marisi was only like 200 or something.
Yeah...I don't buy that. I've argued this before: even if the events of Legends II occurred mere seconds prior to the Invasion, that still yields a 300+ span of time prior to the Mending, and I think it's safe to assume roughly another few decades passed in between that and the events of the last few books. Unless Alarans and the Nacatl of Naya in particular use different calendars than Dominaria, there's no way he could be celebrating his bicentennial, even if he were around in Alara's storyline.
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The franchise MtG most resembles is Battlestar Galactica. Why? Its players exist in, at most, a dozen different models at any given point in time, with perhaps up to 3% variation, 5% if you're lucky.
Yawgmoth and the Eldrazi combined may still not be enough.
I'm not gonna comment on Marisi, no one knows how old he is becuse of how AU was written.
But, saying Bolas is stronger then Yawgmoth is a true laugh. Arguabley Urza was as strong as Bolas and Yagmoth easily "defeated" him. Bolas would fly into the cloud of black that is Yawgmoth and simply would not come out.
Bolas did not have plans on Alara before the Mending, he was stuck on the Meditation plane!!!
He also only went looking for a way to restore his power after the mending had stripped him of his power. It's pretty riduculous to assume he set up Marisi before he was trapped in the meditation plane and then to assume that Marisi has survived this long without acess to black mana.
Also Bolas didn't cause alara to come back together, he simply used them comming together as a power source.
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Green's beastial nature gets played up more in card games because, well, that's what wins games/sell cards. Red gets the same treatment; passion can include friendship, love and lust but since Magic is a PG-13 card game about combat, those aspects don't get played up as much.
I find Garruk, wisdom included, to be a good representation of what green is in depth. Yes green has its "Hulk Smash!" aspect (Berserk) but green, like blue, can be very deep intellectually, as seen with card draw (harmonize).
Teferi and Venser are mortal but teferi is also one uber powerful blue mage. It wouldnt take much effort for him to phase out himself or venser. They could pop back in who knows when.
Actually, it WOULD take a lot of effort for him to do it. He isn't what he used to be, and we've already had proof that he's a much much weaker mage than he was. Even with his specialty magic.
As it is, Teferi may be around because of the Tolarian time water.
Venser on the other hand is probably dead as his personality was.
Yeah, those were my thoughts as well. It'll even be harder for him to develop new slow-time water now. Certainly not impossible, but he's going to be more limited due to fewer resources and less magic at his disposal. Still, if anybody can do it, it's Teferi.
Stupid ****ing Teferi.
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* The riftwalkers (who appear to be post-mending walkers), showed up before the mending and were tied directly to the rifts. Since the mending changed the spark, these "riftwalkers" couldn't be the first neowalkers (as they'd only show up after the mending.
Agreed. They were oldwalkers who had their spark "mutated" or "deformed." So technically the 'walkers we have now are third generation 'walkers (with the second gen being warped first gens).
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If he was immortal back in Time Spiral, he was a really piss poor immortal. He might not die of old age, but given his skills, he's probably going to die to something else.
Then again, he did survive Urborg... Still, so incredibly weak.
Don't you know? Immortality means "you live forever unless something kills you"! Just like nigh-omnipotent means "you are powerful" and nigh-immortal means "you live to be a hundred"!
People need to seriously use the term "ageless". An ageless person wouldn't die of old age, but could be killed by a bullet to the brainpan. An immortal person just cannot die under any circumstances. Which would be Konda in his present state, I suppose.
But that's my eternal crusade.
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Ill have to respectfully disagree here. In the time sprial books , after he burns out his spark , they have a chapter where he is trying to remember how to draw mana like a normal wizard and is bearly able to gather enough to cast the flight spell. In the middle of his slow rise he is attacked by a monster throwing knives at him and he effortlessly throws a phasing field up around himself , that he maintains with equal ease , that phases out anything that touches it. I think he can use his signature spell preaty well still. All he needs is time to practice as a normal mage again. I hope he somehow finds a way to reignite his spark , it was my understanding that it was burned out not destoryed. Kinda like blowing out a candle , the potential is still there just have to relight it.
I also hope to run in to Jodah again sometime. Not sure what his status is in the current story but hes been around for all the major events in history and I like him as a character.
Yes! Thanks, Wizards! Whew. A Multiverse without Venser is a great Multiverse indeed.
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Your guess is pretty much as good as ours. Bolas created all of the ocnflicts on Alara to have the five shards merge to create a huge store of mana that he basically fuzed with. In the end though another planeswalker, Ajani, created a "spirit clone" of Bolas and Spirit-Bolas and Bolas fought and fled. No one knows how strong he is and where he is at the moment. No one knows what is going on in Alara because every Planeswalker pretty much said "Kthnxbye" when the Maelstrom(large body of mana) was absorbed.
The Maelstrom wasn't exactly Alara's mana. It was mana expended during the conflux wars and all the excess bleed of mana while the plane tried to reach equilibrium again.
Think of it like this, all the mana is drained from Alara and it breaks. Each shard then refills mana with only three colors, but it fills it back up to the total amount of mana Alara had. When Alara reformed, there was a massive amount of excess mana coming from the other planes. Or at least that is what I believe.
As for how much Bolas managed to nom, nearly all of it. Like 99 percent. Ajani snapped up the last one percent.
The guding mantra of the creative team is "when you can be vague, be vague". They never like to say what happens or make a 100% commitment to anything.
Did Bolas steal all of Alara's mana... we don't know. They don't tell us.
Is he alive... we don't know they didn't tell us.
What are his plans... we don't know.
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To get his power from Alara, he didn't just find a way to bring the plane together. We don't know if he was at all responsible for the Conflux, or if it was a natural event that he was taking advantage of. To get his power, he purposefully engineered a five-way war between the shards, killing hundreds for his personal gain. You say restoring Alara is a good thing, but that's not necessarily true. Most of the shards seemed perfectly fine without the other four; the conflux caused massive devastation of the people and cultures involved. Even if it all settles down in the end, it can't be said with absolute certainty that they are better off than when they were separate.
It's hard to take arguments seriously from someone who admits that they haven't actually read the books their arguments are based on.
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Not that Bolas cared who helped or hurt. What happened to Alara meant nothing to him, as long as he could becomes a god again. Sowing war, hate, and destruction over an entire world for your own gain is absolutely a villainous quality.
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Let's not forget that one element clearly proves he had designs on Alara well before the Mending: Marisi. At some point in Naya's past, he manipulated Marisi into driving the Nacatl into a massive conflict that completely destroyed their empire over Naya and reduced them to the tribal society we saw when the game's focus turned to Alara.
Bolas is a villain, through and through, and while he does have an appalling lack of humility and underestimates his foes time and time again, he is most certainly an opponent to be feared, within the game and out. If he ever does deign to look at the Evil Overlord list, Yawgmoth and the Eldrazi combined may still not be enough.
About any "subpar" mechanics or cards: Context is king.
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The franchise MtG most resembles is Battlestar Galactica. Why? Its players exist in, at most, a dozen different models at any given point in time, with perhaps up to 3% variation, 5% if you're lucky.
Yeah...I don't buy that. I've argued this before: even if the events of Legends II occurred mere seconds prior to the Invasion, that still yields a 300+ span of time prior to the Mending, and I think it's safe to assume roughly another few decades passed in between that and the events of the last few books. Unless Alarans and the Nacatl of Naya in particular use different calendars than Dominaria, there's no way he could be celebrating his bicentennial, even if he were around in Alara's storyline.
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The franchise MtG most resembles is Battlestar Galactica. Why? Its players exist in, at most, a dozen different models at any given point in time, with perhaps up to 3% variation, 5% if you're lucky.
But, saying Bolas is stronger then Yawgmoth is a true laugh. Arguabley Urza was as strong as Bolas and Yagmoth easily "defeated" him. Bolas would fly into the cloud of black that is Yawgmoth and simply would not come out.
He also only went looking for a way to restore his power after the mending had stripped him of his power. It's pretty riduculous to assume he set up Marisi before he was trapped in the meditation plane and then to assume that Marisi has survived this long without acess to black mana.
Also Bolas didn't cause alara to come back together, he simply used them comming together as a power source.