You know what starts to be annoying: Your whining about Bolas in every story related thread he is mentioned in a positive light. You derailing threads with your whining.
1. "Oh God, Bolas again!?" No, not Bolas again. Sarkhan again. We have no evidence for Bolas directly interfering with the storyline, so the "they should stop putting him into every new story and give some space to other characters" line is not justified. That's what they are doing right now for all we know.
1.b Don't try to argue that Sarkhan is just Bolas' puppet - he is a character on his own or there wouldn't be the internal struggle we could witness. And for a "neowalker saga" to happen some people's paths are bound to cross or it would be more like a dozen individual stories rather than a "saga".
2. "Since the neowalker saga began, Bolas was always the evil driving force behind everything." He was the driving evil force behind Chandra's Novel? I don't seem to recall that. Wasn't it the guy who wanted to throw Chandra in the Purifying Fire?
3. There is be only one block novel per year. This is the second that is part of the "neowalker saga". "Bolas was always the evil driving force behind everything." for the second book in a row? (Maybe.) Indeed: :rolleyes:.
Now, please, take your rantings somewhere else, make a "rants about how much better the storyline would be without Bolas" threads on its own or write it into your blog, but stop infesting all other threads with this stuff and bringing the discussion off-topic, because all replies to your post had nothing to do with the comic, but with Legends II, Time Spiral and Alara Unbroken - in those threads belong your hate posts about Bolas since in those novels he actually appeared.
I don't see, where he brings the discussion more off-topic than every other user who says Nicol Bolas plays a role in Zendikar.
But perhaps you could also ask some other users to open a "WotC is bad because they actually make money" thread to keep the threads free of their own ranting and whining which really annoys me. That would be consequent and in this case I would fully support you.
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Niv-Mizzet would be a good villain .... once. Or twice. But not every time. That would make him too evil and thus ruining his character. But to give him one appearance in a novel would be great. Something like Ravnica-conquering and interfering with Jace or, if one does not want the old blue Walker again apperaing give Niv some help from Lily and make Garruk the main character.
I think Niv has a lot of potential. However, they would really have to make sure that his part is good. If they messed him up, there would be a mutiny.
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Guys, let's not start bickering, okay? I really like this thread--both the original topic of it, the current villain discussion, and the inevitable return to the original topic when the third comic is released--and would prefer not to have it closed because people have differences of opinion. Different opinions are what make message boards fun, but let's not resort to "no, you did that" arguments, please?
@ Shadlowlord - That's a good possibility (Szat's inclusion being necessitated by the Primeval sub-plot). But I don't think it's entirely right to "lay the blame" at King's door for that particular bad sub-plot. (And, yes, I know me defending King's horrible sub-plots is a sign of the upcoming Apocalypse) I've always had a theory about why the Primeval sub-plot was included, and I'd like to present it.
Back in Invasion, Rhammidarigaaz makes his first appearance since Time Streams as the leader of the Dragon Nations, which are a part of the Coalition made up entirely of dragons. At the end of the book, at the Battle of Koilos, there's a bit about Darigaaz leading the Dragon Nations into battle. It details Darigaaz's leading the red dragons, another dragon leading the white dragons, another leading the black dragons, etc. etc. Now I think that these leaders were originally supposed to be the five legendary dragons that appeared in Invasion--but at the time, they didn't know what to call them. The names (Crosis, Rith, etc.) hadn't been finalized yet, so King chose to not give them a name, relying up we as the readers/players to make the connection, "Okay, there's a white-aligned uber dragon leading the white-aligned dragons ... so this must be Treva."). I think this is supported by the fact that the dragon cards appeared in Invasion, and so their first "debut" would be in Invasion (at the time, if a legendary card appeared in a book, it also appeared for the first time in the set corresponding to that book). Then, for whatever reason, King was probably instructed to include a further sub-plot pertaining to the Primevals--either because the readers didn't get the message that they had already appeared in unnamed form in Invasion, or because the players liked the dragon cards and thus they wanted King to include a sub-plot about them, or whatever. King then later threw together a sub-plot about ancient Primevals and the rest is part of Magic's goofy sub-plot history.
Of course, I could be completely wrong about this, but it's just a theory I've had for a while. I mean, King does like to throw in random bits of ancient Dominarian history that don't correspond well to anything else that is known about the period before the Thran (the Primevals, the Numena).
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I have to say I am pro-Bolas. I really enjoyed him in AoA and he was honestly(again besides Jeska) the only good thing in the meandering cycle. I really enjoy him as a villain, not on Yawgmoth level, but on the level that he is causing alot of problems for the current Bradywalkers. I like him screwing with them, having a sense of control over them because he is one of the few who knows what their true potential is. I would personally love to see him ragain all of his powerS(say minus immortality/ability to change shape) and see him go after Dominaria as revenge. Tha the figures if he goes to the place of origin for the loss of his power tha the might be able to fully gain it back.
As for an en-all villain I would love for somethign like the Eldrazi to take that role. A menacing, ancient power that an old powerful Planeswalker fears(Sorin). I would love for them to be intellegant yet heartless creatures that want nothing more then to destroy all life in the Multiverse. maybe when they are together they can Planeswalk? The difference could be(as to not belittle pwalkers) is that 1) there must be a group of them to walk and 2) They randomly walk to a plane, they cannot choose it like a walker.
I could really go for mindless Phyrexian-like villains that aren't super plotting, blue aligned villains whose plans are beat by those pesky kids and their dog!(Scooby doo anyone?)
As for an en-all villain I would love for somethign like the Eldrazi to take that role. A menacing, ancient power that an old powerful Planeswalker fears(Sorin). I would love for them to be intellegant yet heartless creatures that want nothing more then to destroy all life in the Multiverse. maybe when they are together they can Planeswalk? The difference could be(as to not belittle pwalkers) is that 1) there must be a group of them to walk and 2) They randomly walk to a plane, they cannot choose it like a walker.
I actually have a theory that Marit Lage (of Ice Age fame, with it's curse and wrath) was an Eldrazi stuck in the shard of worlds when it was cut of from the rest of the multiverse, and thus was not imprisoned with it's kindred on Zendikar (It got stuck in a glacier instead, lol).
There are several facts that support this theory:
1. Eldrazi Monument. It grants flying and indestructability, something it shares with Marit Lage (check out Dark Depths).
2. Marit Lage was described as a creature that was not a walker but was able to traverse the planes under its own power, something that is also said about the Eldrazi.
3. Marit Lage's presence warped reality around it (check out Wrath of Marit Lage and Curse of Marit Lage), this is something Marit Lage shares with the Eldrazi as well as it obvious that the roil is caused by the Eldrazi struggling against their prison.
4. Marit Lage is a massive threat to planewalkers (shown by it's 20/20 status), which again is something it shares with the Eldrazi.
5. Marit Lage is pretty much an Elder Horror, while the Eldrazi are described as "things of nightmare", coincidence? I think not.
Conclusion: Marit Lage was an Eldrazi, and the Eldrazi race is the M:TG equivalent of Lovecraft's Great Old Ones. They are coming, and oh are they going to be pissed. ^^
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Conclusion: Marit Lage was an Eldrazi, and the Eldrazi race is the M:TG equivalent of Lovecraft's Great Old Ones. They are coming, and oh are they going to be pissed. ^^
Of all the crazy speculations made on this site, I absolutely love this one the best. But only because of the renewed interest in Marit Lage with the arrival of Vampire Hexmage.
Yeah ever since that one card art of the ruins with kraken like carvings I have been thinking that this could be Marit Lage's poeple? Well not people, race. I think it would be an interesting tie to the past and this could single a possible return of Dominaria
eid your posts are turnign into "no I don't liek this theory" and offering nothign else up. How about posting what you thinkt he Eldrazi are? It is better then a one line "saying no in a quirky way".
Marit Lage is a big big avatar, if she escaped from the prison, (Which she did because I paid the mana), and if she went to Zendikar, I think someone would have noticed a big 20/20 floating around the plane. And if she was their master, then wouldnt the old walkers go through more extreme lengths than to imprison her under ice? Serisously, Ice? surely walkers would know that Ice does eventually melt! Why would they imprison the collective Eldrazi properly, in hedrons and cubes, but just stick their master under some Ice?
Not that I wouldnt want to see that happen, sounds interesting, but I think the Eldrazi are a complete new race, with a master/walker who looks like them. I just get the feeling that if Marit made a race, they would look like her. Like kraken's, giant octopus', leviathan's etc etc.
Zendikar seems far too temperate of a climate to encase anybody in ice, except maybe in that arctic region. Maybe that's where the Eldrazi are imprisoned...But then, Marit Lage was locked in MAGIC ICE...So it's ice, but it's magical...ooooooo...
I definitely subscribe to the Marit Lage = Eldrazi theory.
Dude this is a phenominal idea. This is just far fetched enough that it could work. It really takes magic in a new direction, and I am for one, ok with that.
100% agree. Although I'm going to think more on it later and have something to add.
@legendary name-they aren't speculating that Marit Lage is ther master of the Eldrazi, but that she merely is one of them.
If they are Lovecraft inspired they aren't likely to all look the same (Cthulhu looks nothing like Nyarlathotep or Yog-Sothoth), and from what we have seen of the Eldrazi thus-far (monument, novel cover, Grim Discovery seems to be an Eldrazi tomb, Relic Crush may have an Eldrazi in the background) that holds true.
We also have gotten hints that there are possibly several tiers of Eldrazi (Eldrazi titans?) and various minion races (Brood Lineage).
@Eid-Yeah it would sort of cheapen Lovecraft...but if you look at Odysea block that was basically based on a dismemberment of the works of Robert E. Howard.
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Marith Lage = Eldrazi:
I love this theory.
But it's too good to be true, so I fear the Eldrazi will not have anything to do with Marith Lage and will look much like the Eldrazi Monument, being more like overpowered alien-elves than epic-looking creatures.
What I don't understand is, why so many insist that the octopus-relief in Quest for Ancient Secrets shows Eldrazi.
There is a well known legendary octopus in the set.
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I don't see where Grim Discovery is in any way connected with the Eldrazi.
And Relic Crush shows a Eldrazi Monument in the background. That looks like the Monument on the artifact card.
The only thing that gives any clue about each Eldrazi looking different so far is the novel cover, but then that could just show a minion, not one of the Eldrazi Titans. So the Titans could all look the same, as could the Minions.
@Eid-Yeah it would sort of cheapen Lovecraft...but if you look at Odysea block that was basically based on a dismemberment of the works of Robert E. Howard.
If you think it would cheapen Lovecraft then you have no idea what Lovecraft's Mythos was all about. The whole point of the Mythos was that everyone else would be able to use it and add to it. Does the Alien movies cheapen the Mythos? No. Does Phantoms (the book, not the movie)? No. Does Hellboy? No. All of them are Mythos in one way or another. (So is Robert E. Howards Conan stories incidentally). If the Eldrazi are the M:TG equivalent of Elder Horrors, there is no reason for them to look the same, at all.
I am going to stick to my theory until WotC proves otherwise. ^^
@Legendary Name: Marit was never a walker, she (I think it was a she) was just an immensely powerful entity that was capable of traveling between the planes and was a massive threat to planeswalkers, which is why it was imprisoned in a glacier. It is quite possible that, as my theory states, Marit Lage was an Eldrazi that got stuck in the Shard after it was formed as a consequence of the Golgothian Sylex going boom.
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If she got stuck in the shard around the time of the Golgothian Sylex, then that would indicate thast the eldrazi were around during and after the time of the Thran.
From what we've heard of it, they would've been noticed.
With that said, if the Eldrazi are as old as implied, then maybe a planeswalker from their time built phyrexia.
It seems every corner I turn, we are exploring the past.
Mirrodin Pure
Scars of mirrodin
New Phyrexia
(Sorin) Being a pre mending walker
Old cards being used as priceless treasures
There are more, i'm just not remembering them at the moment. Point is, this could finally be their link back.
If she got stuck in the shard around the time of the Golgothian Sylex, then that would indicate thast the eldrazi were around during and after the time of the Thran.
From what we've heard of it, they would've been noticed.
They were ntoiced though, by Sorin and two other walkers when they had their full powers. They imprisoned the Eldrazi on Zendikar so they could have been moving around for all we know this entire time, we were just too busy on Dominaria. Though with the newly released Zendikar cover I am weary whether Marit is an Eldrazi or that skull octopus is, lol.
I'm not one for speculation, so I really have no interest in thinking about what the Eldrazi are. But I'm more than happy to tell what they are not. I just think that having Marit Lage be one of them is fundamentally dumb for two reasons: Marit Lage is Magic's equivalent of Cthulhu and so making her one of the Eldrazi would cheapen the idea (one Cthulhu is great, an army of them is silly); and because it has no basis in reality. There's nothing that hints at a connection between Marit Lage and the Eldrazi. Hypothesis is great and all, but why is this notion any better than saying that Sorin is Sengir's master?
@ krish - You've got it backwards. Lovecraft intentionally allowed other writers (Derleth in particular) continue the Cthulhu Mythos as long as it stayed true to the mythos itself. Now we could have a separate discussion on why this was a good idea or not (one later writer "in cannon" actually revealed Cthulhu was the evil twin of his nicer, friendlier brother ... yeah), but that's another issue. Lovecraft wanted the mythos to live on after his death, and that's what you seem to be remembering. Lovecraft didn't say "It's okay to plagiarize me, go right ahead." Alien is certainly not a Lovecraft rip-off (unless there's some link between the two I'm not aware of, other than "monsters from space" which is certainly not a tangible link). Hellboy is an intentional parody of the mythos, and takes it in a different spin (Cthulhu + X-Files). Robert E. Howard's work was intentionally placed in the same loosely-defined universe, so that's not a good example either. Marit Lage is a nice tip of the hat to the excellent Cthulhu Mythos, but making an army of them and setting up a pantheon of Old Ones within Dominia would just fail spectacularly--indeed, would you want the people behind Alara Unbroken attempting to do a Lovecraft-themed story? Ugh.
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@EID: It is hard to have a conversationw ith someone when they only say "no that would be stupid!" and offer no speculation of their own.
I still think it would be interesting to have a hoard of mindless, huge monsters attacking the Multiverse and the walkers need to find a way to stop them. There could be some epic battles, secrets revealed, maybe even a return to the walkers full potential. Overall the idea has potential but it is more then likely they are Naya-esque gargantuans that are very powerful on Zendikar and overall they will have to impact on the whole storyline. I hope I am wrong though
Yes, but how interesting would it have been if Lovecraft returned the Old Ones and then continued the story for years? They show up, everything burns to the ground, people go insane, and ...?
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I'm not one for speculation, so I really have no interest in thinking about what the Eldrazi are. But I'm more than happy to tell what they are not. I just think that having Marit Lage be one of them is fundamentally dumb for two reasons: Marit Lage is Magic's equivalent of Cthulhu and so making her one of the Eldrazi would cheapen the idea (one Cthulhu is great, an army of them is silly); and because it has no basis in reality. There's nothing that hints at a connection between Marit Lage and the Eldrazi. Hypothesis is great and all, but why is this notion any better than saying that Sorin is Sengir's master?
But the thing is, Cthulhu was not alone, heck he was not even a particularly powerful GOO (great old one), people just latched on to him because he was in short, Iconic. Pretty much all of the GOO's with the exception of Dagon (and his female counterpart that was only mentioned in one of lovecraft's stories) where more powerful that ol' Cthulhu. The difference was that Cthulhu's presence/threat was more substancial because he was here on earth already. Only one GOO besides Cthulhu regularly walked the earth, and that was Nyanarlothep, but people didn't latch onto him because he looked the most human of the elder horrors, this is despite that he was magnitudes more powerful than Ol' Cthulhu and a lot more malevolent. To the other GOO we where at most insignificant pests, much like flies, but to Nyanarlothep (sp?), we where toys and experimental subjects.
@ krish - You've got it backwards. Lovecraft intentionally allowed other writers (Derleth in particular) continue the Cthulhu Mythos as long as it stayed true to the mythos itself. Now we could have a separate discussion on why this was a good idea or not (one later writer "in cannon" actually revealed Cthulhu was the evil twin of his nicer, friendlier brother ... yeah), but that's another issue. Lovecraft wanted the mythos to live on after his death, and that's what you seem to be remembering. Lovecraft didn't say "It's okay to plagiarize me, go right ahead." Alien is certainly not a Lovecraft rip-off (unless there's some link between the two I'm not aware of, other than "monsters from space" which is certainly not a tangible link). Hellboy is an intentional parody of the mythos, and takes it in a different spin (Cthulhu + X-Files). Robert E. Howard's work was intentionally placed in the same loosely-defined universe, so that's not a good example either. Marit Lage is a nice tip of the hat to the excellent Cthulhu Mythos, but making an army of them and setting up a pantheon of Old Ones within Dominia would just fail spectacularly--indeed, would you want the people behind Alara Unbroken attempting to do a Lovecraft-themed story? Ugh.
The alien movies are a tribute to Lovecraft, they show that the universe is cold, dark, and uninviting. It was no coincidence that the tagline for the first movie was "In space no-one can hear you scream". The comics and novels simply cement this.
As for Hellboy, one has to realize that the main character (and the people he is associating with) are fighting a losing battle. They simply can't win, just starve off the inevitable. Something that is very lovecraftian. Sooner or later the title character will do what he was created for, and the Dragons will roam the world again. Even if only one of them wakes, it will be all over. Sure, it does it in a fun way, but so did "Cast a Deadly Spell", and that movie is probably the best direct tribute to Lovecraft I have ever seen (and they may Yog-Sothot perfect, IMHO). But that is pretty much the point of the Cthulhu Mythos, we are insignificant and can at best hope that the great old ones stay away for one more day.
If WotC does it right, then the Eldrazi will work well as the M:TG equivalent of GOOs. The trick is to not make them a direct and malevolent danger, but more like to them the sentient races are nothing more than a mild irritant. Planeswalkers are different (particularly oldwalkers) because they are more powerful. They don't have to be a clear and present danger right now, and if my theory pans out, they are clearly a lot more destructive when imprisoned than when not.
They were ntoiced though, by Sorin and two other walkers when they had their full powers. They imprisoned the Eldrazi on Zendikar so they could have been moving around for all we know this entire time, we were just too busy on Dominaria. Though with the newly released Zendikar cover I am weary whether Marit is an Eldrazi or that skull octopus is, lol.
One does not necessarily eliminate the other. We do not know enough about the eldrazi to say wheter or not they all look the same. But *if* they are the M:TG equivalent of great old ones, then it is likely that they do not all look the same.
Yes, but how interesting would it have been if Lovecraft returned the Old Ones and then continued the story for years? They show up, everything burns to the ground, people go insane, and ...?
Not very, but that is the big difference between M:TG and the Mythos. M:TG has planeswalkers and magic, and that means we have a chance. Even the post-mending walkers are immensely powerful compared to a normal person, and the Eldrazi can be defeated. After all Marit Lage was defeated during the Ice Age, and the Eldrazi where imprisoned.
This is a big difference between Lovecraft's mythos, and the variants/homages that have been created over the years: Lovecraft's GOO's could not be stopped, they could not be killed, and they could not be imprisoned.
Just because something is inspired by, or the equivalent of, something, it does not mean that they are in all ways equal, because let's face it. That would not make for a very fun game, now would it? ^^
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You missed my point on them being noticed. I meant on Dominaria not Zendikar. Some one on Dominaria would've noticed it. URZA, would've said something.
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I don't see, where he brings the discussion more off-topic than every other user who says Nicol Bolas plays a role in Zendikar.
But perhaps you could also ask some other users to open a "WotC is bad because they actually make money" thread to keep the threads free of their own ranting and whining which really annoys me. That would be consequent and in this case I would fully support you.
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Niv-Mizzet would be a good villain .... once. Or twice. But not every time. That would make him too evil and thus ruining his character. But to give him one appearance in a novel would be great. Something like Ravnica-conquering and interfering with Jace or, if one does not want the old blue Walker again apperaing give Niv some help from Lily and make Garruk the main character.
I would love it.
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@ Shadlowlord - That's a good possibility (Szat's inclusion being necessitated by the Primeval sub-plot). But I don't think it's entirely right to "lay the blame" at King's door for that particular bad sub-plot. (And, yes, I know me defending King's horrible sub-plots is a sign of the upcoming Apocalypse) I've always had a theory about why the Primeval sub-plot was included, and I'd like to present it.
Back in Invasion, Rhammidarigaaz makes his first appearance since Time Streams as the leader of the Dragon Nations, which are a part of the Coalition made up entirely of dragons. At the end of the book, at the Battle of Koilos, there's a bit about Darigaaz leading the Dragon Nations into battle. It details Darigaaz's leading the red dragons, another dragon leading the white dragons, another leading the black dragons, etc. etc. Now I think that these leaders were originally supposed to be the five legendary dragons that appeared in Invasion--but at the time, they didn't know what to call them. The names (Crosis, Rith, etc.) hadn't been finalized yet, so King chose to not give them a name, relying up we as the readers/players to make the connection, "Okay, there's a white-aligned uber dragon leading the white-aligned dragons ... so this must be Treva."). I think this is supported by the fact that the dragon cards appeared in Invasion, and so their first "debut" would be in Invasion (at the time, if a legendary card appeared in a book, it also appeared for the first time in the set corresponding to that book). Then, for whatever reason, King was probably instructed to include a further sub-plot pertaining to the Primevals--either because the readers didn't get the message that they had already appeared in unnamed form in Invasion, or because the players liked the dragon cards and thus they wanted King to include a sub-plot about them, or whatever. King then later threw together a sub-plot about ancient Primevals and the rest is part of Magic's goofy sub-plot history.
Of course, I could be completely wrong about this, but it's just a theory I've had for a while. I mean, King does like to throw in random bits of ancient Dominarian history that don't correspond well to anything else that is known about the period before the Thran (the Primevals, the Numena).
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As for an en-all villain I would love for somethign like the Eldrazi to take that role. A menacing, ancient power that an old powerful Planeswalker fears(Sorin). I would love for them to be intellegant yet heartless creatures that want nothing more then to destroy all life in the Multiverse. maybe when they are together they can Planeswalk? The difference could be(as to not belittle pwalkers) is that 1) there must be a group of them to walk and 2) They randomly walk to a plane, they cannot choose it like a walker.
I could really go for mindless Phyrexian-like villains that aren't super plotting, blue aligned villains whose plans are beat by those pesky kids and their dog!(Scooby doo anyone?)
I actually have a theory that Marit Lage (of Ice Age fame, with it's curse and wrath) was an Eldrazi stuck in the shard of worlds when it was cut of from the rest of the multiverse, and thus was not imprisoned with it's kindred on Zendikar (It got stuck in a glacier instead, lol).
There are several facts that support this theory:
1. Eldrazi Monument. It grants flying and indestructability, something it shares with Marit Lage (check out Dark Depths).
2. Marit Lage was described as a creature that was not a walker but was able to traverse the planes under its own power, something that is also said about the Eldrazi.
3. Marit Lage's presence warped reality around it (check out Wrath of Marit Lage and Curse of Marit Lage), this is something Marit Lage shares with the Eldrazi as well as it obvious that the roil is caused by the Eldrazi struggling against their prison.
4. Marit Lage is a massive threat to planewalkers (shown by it's 20/20 status), which again is something it shares with the Eldrazi.
5. Marit Lage is pretty much an Elder Horror, while the Eldrazi are described as "things of nightmare", coincidence? I think not.
Conclusion: Marit Lage was an Eldrazi, and the Eldrazi race is the M:TG equivalent of Lovecraft's Great Old Ones. They are coming, and oh are they going to be pissed. ^^
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Not that I wouldnt want to see that happen, sounds interesting, but I think the Eldrazi are a complete new race, with a master/walker who looks like them. I just get the feeling that if Marit made a race, they would look like her. Like kraken's, giant octopus', leviathan's etc etc.
I definitely subscribe to the Marit Lage = Eldrazi theory.
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100% agree. Although I'm going to think more on it later and have something to add.
If they are Lovecraft inspired they aren't likely to all look the same (Cthulhu looks nothing like Nyarlathotep or Yog-Sothoth), and from what we have seen of the Eldrazi thus-far (monument, novel cover, Grim Discovery seems to be an Eldrazi tomb, Relic Crush may have an Eldrazi in the background) that holds true.
We also have gotten hints that there are possibly several tiers of Eldrazi (Eldrazi titans?) and various minion races (Brood Lineage).
@Eid-Yeah it would sort of cheapen Lovecraft...but if you look at Odysea block that was basically based on a dismemberment of the works of Robert E. Howard.
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Marith Lage = Eldrazi:
I love this theory.
But it's too good to be true, so I fear the Eldrazi will not have anything to do with Marith Lage and will look much like the Eldrazi Monument, being more like overpowered alien-elves than epic-looking creatures.
What I don't understand is, why so many insist that the octopus-relief in Quest for Ancient Secrets shows Eldrazi.
There is a well known legendary octopus in the set.
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I don't see where Grim Discovery is in any way connected with the Eldrazi.
And Relic Crush shows a Eldrazi Monument in the background. That looks like the Monument on the artifact card.
The only thing that gives any clue about each Eldrazi looking different so far is the novel cover, but then that could just show a minion, not one of the Eldrazi Titans. So the Titans could all look the same, as could the Minions.
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If you think it would cheapen Lovecraft then you have no idea what Lovecraft's Mythos was all about. The whole point of the Mythos was that everyone else would be able to use it and add to it. Does the Alien movies cheapen the Mythos? No. Does Phantoms (the book, not the movie)? No. Does Hellboy? No. All of them are Mythos in one way or another. (So is Robert E. Howards Conan stories incidentally). If the Eldrazi are the M:TG equivalent of Elder Horrors, there is no reason for them to look the same, at all.
I am going to stick to my theory until WotC proves otherwise. ^^
@Legendary Name: Marit was never a walker, she (I think it was a she) was just an immensely powerful entity that was capable of traveling between the planes and was a massive threat to planeswalkers, which is why it was imprisoned in a glacier. It is quite possible that, as my theory states, Marit Lage was an Eldrazi that got stuck in the Shard after it was formed as a consequence of the Golgothian Sylex going boom.
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But this has implications.
If she got stuck in the shard around the time of the Golgothian Sylex, then that would indicate thast the eldrazi were around during and after the time of the Thran.
From what we've heard of it, they would've been noticed.
With that said, if the Eldrazi are as old as implied, then maybe a planeswalker from their time built phyrexia.
It seems every corner I turn, we are exploring the past.
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(Sorin) Being a pre mending walker
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There are more, i'm just not remembering them at the moment. Point is, this could finally be their link back.
They were ntoiced though, by Sorin and two other walkers when they had their full powers. They imprisoned the Eldrazi on Zendikar so they could have been moving around for all we know this entire time, we were just too busy on Dominaria. Though with the newly released Zendikar cover I am weary whether Marit is an Eldrazi or that skull octopus is, lol.
@ krish - You've got it backwards. Lovecraft intentionally allowed other writers (Derleth in particular) continue the Cthulhu Mythos as long as it stayed true to the mythos itself. Now we could have a separate discussion on why this was a good idea or not (one later writer "in cannon" actually revealed Cthulhu was the evil twin of his nicer, friendlier brother ... yeah), but that's another issue. Lovecraft wanted the mythos to live on after his death, and that's what you seem to be remembering. Lovecraft didn't say "It's okay to plagiarize me, go right ahead." Alien is certainly not a Lovecraft rip-off (unless there's some link between the two I'm not aware of, other than "monsters from space" which is certainly not a tangible link). Hellboy is an intentional parody of the mythos, and takes it in a different spin (Cthulhu + X-Files). Robert E. Howard's work was intentionally placed in the same loosely-defined universe, so that's not a good example either. Marit Lage is a nice tip of the hat to the excellent Cthulhu Mythos, but making an army of them and setting up a pantheon of Old Ones within Dominia would just fail spectacularly--indeed, would you want the people behind Alara Unbroken attempting to do a Lovecraft-themed story? Ugh.
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I still think it would be interesting to have a hoard of mindless, huge monsters attacking the Multiverse and the walkers need to find a way to stop them. There could be some epic battles, secrets revealed, maybe even a return to the walkers full potential. Overall the idea has potential but it is more then likely they are Naya-esque gargantuans that are very powerful on Zendikar and overall they will have to impact on the whole storyline. I hope I am wrong though
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But there are more then one Old One in the mythos, and we have no idea how many Eldrazi there were/are.
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But the thing is, Cthulhu was not alone, heck he was not even a particularly powerful GOO (great old one), people just latched on to him because he was in short, Iconic. Pretty much all of the GOO's with the exception of Dagon (and his female counterpart that was only mentioned in one of lovecraft's stories) where more powerful that ol' Cthulhu. The difference was that Cthulhu's presence/threat was more substancial because he was here on earth already. Only one GOO besides Cthulhu regularly walked the earth, and that was Nyanarlothep, but people didn't latch onto him because he looked the most human of the elder horrors, this is despite that he was magnitudes more powerful than Ol' Cthulhu and a lot more malevolent. To the other GOO we where at most insignificant pests, much like flies, but to Nyanarlothep (sp?), we where toys and experimental subjects.
The alien movies are a tribute to Lovecraft, they show that the universe is cold, dark, and uninviting. It was no coincidence that the tagline for the first movie was "In space no-one can hear you scream". The comics and novels simply cement this.
As for Hellboy, one has to realize that the main character (and the people he is associating with) are fighting a losing battle. They simply can't win, just starve off the inevitable. Something that is very lovecraftian. Sooner or later the title character will do what he was created for, and the Dragons will roam the world again. Even if only one of them wakes, it will be all over. Sure, it does it in a fun way, but so did "Cast a Deadly Spell", and that movie is probably the best direct tribute to Lovecraft I have ever seen (and they may Yog-Sothot perfect, IMHO). But that is pretty much the point of the Cthulhu Mythos, we are insignificant and can at best hope that the great old ones stay away for one more day.
If WotC does it right, then the Eldrazi will work well as the M:TG equivalent of GOOs. The trick is to not make them a direct and malevolent danger, but more like to them the sentient races are nothing more than a mild irritant. Planeswalkers are different (particularly oldwalkers) because they are more powerful. They don't have to be a clear and present danger right now, and if my theory pans out, they are clearly a lot more destructive when imprisoned than when not.
One does not necessarily eliminate the other. We do not know enough about the eldrazi to say wheter or not they all look the same. But *if* they are the M:TG equivalent of great old ones, then it is likely that they do not all look the same.
Not very, but that is the big difference between M:TG and the Mythos. M:TG has planeswalkers and magic, and that means we have a chance. Even the post-mending walkers are immensely powerful compared to a normal person, and the Eldrazi can be defeated. After all Marit Lage was defeated during the Ice Age, and the Eldrazi where imprisoned.
This is a big difference between Lovecraft's mythos, and the variants/homages that have been created over the years: Lovecraft's GOO's could not be stopped, they could not be killed, and they could not be imprisoned.
Just because something is inspired by, or the equivalent of, something, it does not mean that they are in all ways equal, because let's face it. That would not make for a very fun game, now would it? ^^
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