What you're cluing into is the fact that all of the paradigms are universally stupid these days. Originally colors impacted actions in a loose sort of way. Blue aligned cards would be more about thinking, white about honor, red about emotion, ect.
Now-a-days color defines everything. You're not blue because you're a thinker, you're a thinker because you're blue. As long as color comes before character, it'll spawn countless cliches and repetitive archetypes.
At least Jace and Lilliana were developed well beyond their colors, but AoA was just a fantastic book, so there you go.
Still, I hate Elspeth like some people hate Bolas.
What you're cluing into is the fact that all of the paradigms are universally stupid these days. Originally colors impacted actions in a loose sort of way. Blue aligned cards would be more about thinking, white about honor, red about emotion, ect.
Now-a-days color defines everything. You're not blue because you're a thinker, you're a thinker because you're blue. As long as color comes before character, it'll spawn countless cliches and repetitive archetypes.
i love this! it is becoming true. the walkers act by how their color would act and also react accordingly. they are just personifications of different aspects of the colors instead of being believable, human (excuse me, elf girl and catman), fleshed-out Planeswalkers.
though i applaud (yes, applaud) their efforts. maybe they need to do this to start the whole new PW thing. but if they want people to be glued to the lives of these characters they should develop them more. give them life. make them make mistakes and be as unpredictable as real people are. (actually people are quite predictable):D
good novels obviously contribute. we need more of them. i know wotc will achieve this somehow.
Yeah mostly everyone agrees Elspeth is a tweaked Serra, Nessa a tweaked Freyalise, Chandra is Jaya and Tezzeret an evil, not so powerful Urza.
What they did in the past with the walkers was take one aspect of their color and concentrate on tha tbeing a core part of their character. IE Freyalise was part red which made her fight instead of sit and meditate in the forest like a good green girl would do. But she had more to her, she hated fellow Planeswalkers because of what happened with Urza(cylex) and on the Null Moon. She only wanted to be with elves because of her past, not because she is green aligned. She had personality, soemthing 80% of the walkers we have seen are lacking. I would say the only two with a true personality are Jace and Chandra...and Liliana too. Otherwise they are 1 sided.
Back on the topic: If I´m not mistaken, the great Aurora-cycle was broken and replaced with a "normal" shift. So, what is this plane now? It wasn´t stated in the book. It could be three things:
(1) It is Lorwyn with "normal" change of day and night.
(2) It is Shadowmoor with "normal" change of day and night.
(3) it is both Lorwyn and Shadowmoor just with much more rapid changes between the two.
If either (1) or (3) is fitting, then Nissa being on "sunny Lorwyn" doesn´t imply anything on her age. If (2) is fitting, then she almost has to be older than it is implied on her Planeswalker page.
I'd think 2 to to be the most reasonable. We end the fight in Shadowmoor, and then cycle returns. It didn't state that all the creatures returned to their Lorwyn forms, so I'd assume we'd still have Kithkin with big yellow circles instead of eyes, and crazy merfolk pirates.
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How do we know the Lorwyn cycle/books happened roughly around the Mending, rather than some randomly chosen year in the timeline where a great planar disaster occurred that Oona felt? This is what your initial post (#9) claims, but doesn't say where that info was obtained; what do Liliana and Jace's ages have to do with anything, unless I forgot something from AoA?
I've not seen anything (unless Brady posted something) suggesting that the final Great Aurora happened at around 4500 AR. Where was it nailed down that things occurred roughly around when "stuff" on Dominaria did? Lorwyn/Shadowmoor's storyline was quite autonomous after all.
I think people are misuseing or misunderstanding the type of xenophobia Freyalise has. She is not afraid of anything and honestly I don't see her hating everything. I see her as someone with convictions, wanting her forest to be left alone. Someone who, if she owned a car, would be sporting a "remember Argoth!" bumper sticker. Honestly with Argoth's history I don't blame her.
As for Lorwyn oona's great disaster or whatever she called it was the Rifts which was fixed during the mending, thus it happened around that time.
How do we know the Lorwyn cycle/books happened roughly around the Mending, rather than some randomly chosen year in the timeline where a great planar disaster occurred that Oona felt? This is what your initial post (#9) claims, but doesn't say where that info was obtained; what do Liliana and Jace's ages have to do with anything, unless I forgot something from AoA?
I've not seen anything (unless Brady posted something) suggesting that the final Great Aurora happened at around 4500 AR. Where was it nailed down that things occurred roughly around when "stuff" on Dominaria did? Lorwyn/Shadowmoor's storyline was quite autonomous after all.
Ah. Yes, it's pretty well inferred that the catastrophe Oona spoke of was the Meandering, and I think (but could easily be mistaken) that Brady confirmed it as well. But, really, it's not that big a deal. We can assume that the Lorwyn story took place after the Meandering, as most storylines (Homelands and Kamigawa notwithstanding) occur in chronological order. And that's pretty much all we know. We can assume it happened post-4500 and that's about all we can properly assume. There was the stupid "Jace goes to Lorwyn" thing that Lil Dougie wrote, which is probably not cannon, but does suggest that the Lorwyn story happened post-Meandering.
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No, she'll most likely turn into an arrogant xenophobic ***** IMO. Is better than Elspeth's whinning? I don't think so...
That is pretty much a given. But lets hope she written a bit better so as not to end up being Freyalise Vista.
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At least Jace and Lilliana were developed well beyond their colors, but AoA was just a fantastic book, so there you go.
Still, I hate Elspeth like some people hate Bolas.
i love this! it is becoming true. the walkers act by how their color would act and also react accordingly. they are just personifications of different aspects of the colors instead of being believable, human (excuse me, elf girl and catman), fleshed-out Planeswalkers.
though i applaud (yes, applaud) their efforts. maybe they need to do this to start the whole new PW thing. but if they want people to be glued to the lives of these characters they should develop them more. give them life. make them make mistakes and be as unpredictable as real people are. (actually people are quite predictable):D
good novels obviously contribute. we need more of them. i know wotc will achieve this somehow.
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What they did in the past with the walkers was take one aspect of their color and concentrate on tha tbeing a core part of their character. IE Freyalise was part red which made her fight instead of sit and meditate in the forest like a good green girl would do. But she had more to her, she hated fellow Planeswalkers because of what happened with Urza(cylex) and on the Null Moon. She only wanted to be with elves because of her past, not because she is green aligned. She had personality, soemthing 80% of the walkers we have seen are lacking. I would say the only two with a true personality are Jace and Chandra...and Liliana too. Otherwise they are 1 sided.
I'd think 2 to to be the most reasonable. We end the fight in Shadowmoor, and then cycle returns. It didn't state that all the creatures returned to their Lorwyn forms, so I'd assume we'd still have Kithkin with big yellow circles instead of eyes, and crazy merfolk pirates.
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I've not seen anything (unless Brady posted something) suggesting that the final Great Aurora happened at around 4500 AR. Where was it nailed down that things occurred roughly around when "stuff" on Dominaria did? Lorwyn/Shadowmoor's storyline was quite autonomous after all.
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As for Lorwyn oona's great disaster or whatever she called it was the Rifts which was fixed during the mending, thus it happened around that time.
Ah. Yes, it's pretty well inferred that the catastrophe Oona spoke of was the Meandering, and I think (but could easily be mistaken) that Brady confirmed it as well. But, really, it's not that big a deal. We can assume that the Lorwyn story took place after the Meandering, as most storylines (Homelands and Kamigawa notwithstanding) occur in chronological order. And that's pretty much all we know. We can assume it happened post-4500 and that's about all we can properly assume. There was the stupid "Jace goes to Lorwyn" thing that Lil Dougie wrote, which is probably not cannon, but does suggest that the Lorwyn story happened post-Meandering.
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That is pretty much a given. But lets hope she written a bit better so as not to end up being Freyalise Vista.
UBW Sharuum, the Hegemon
U Azami, Lady of Scrolls
UR Jhoria of the Ghitu
X Kozilek, the Butcher of Truth
B Korlash, Heir to Blackblade
UW Grand Arbiter Agustin IV
BRG Kresh, the Bloodbraided
R Ashling the Pilgrim
UB Szadek, Lord of Secrets
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