I know there's a thread regarding the novel cover, but i thought it more fitting to have an actual thread to discuss Planar Chaos possibilities.
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Now, with all of that out of the way, there are a few things that need discussing...
1) If Time Spiral takes place 300 years after Scourge (400 after the Apocalypse), and Mirrodin is said (without proof other than flavor text to MY knowledge) to take places a few thousand years in the future, that leaves the idea Karn must survive somehow with a spark to make it BACK to Mirrodin.
--This can be enabled a few ways. The first is the easiest of them all to go with, although highly unlikely-- The Karn we see at the end of 5th Dawn isn't the real Karn and he sacrificed his spark already, now living on Dominaria again with Jhoira.
The second is the more likely: If Mirrodin is to take place the way we've seen it, the current Timestream cannot be altered. Therefore, Karn doesn't go back in time, but uses Glacian/Urzas alternate sparks to reascend later and return to Mirrodin.
The third is the far-fetched, but fun idea- Karn does sacrifice his spark and later realizes regardless of how many sparks they sacrifice, this timestream is forever askew. He returns in time to set the path for an alternate history, which eventually leads to Karona never happening and Memnarch either never being created (out of the Mirari) or Memnarch never going insane do to the oil influence, since Karona will have never brought it over.
That's JUST the start of things to talk about, but i'm very tired so i'll leave that subject as the main of speculation for now.
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Is Venser going to try to get Yawgmoth back to Dominaria to power up the Phyrexian machines in Urborg?
It's already been established that Venser is kinda weak-willed, and now he doesn't have any other option aside from Jhoira to get more powerstones. Jhoira (and Teferi) will probably have enough to do contacting the other planeswalkers to stop the time rifts. This leaves Venser with quite a bit of free time to make a gigantic mistake, does it not?
My version of planar chaos involves a partially restored Phyrexia overlaying Dominaria, as Shiv threatened to blow a hole in the multiverse.
Edit: I don't see Karn getting too far involved until Future Sight, at which point the timeline concerns with Mirrodin will be cleared up. For Planar Chaos, I just think we will see more action out of the Urborg, Keldon, Skyshroud, Shivan landscapes. I mean, a whole continent just phased back in to Dominaria, and the others are under distinct time rifts. Calling all planeswalkers, but that seems like enough to tackle in one book.
Second Edit: Yeah, I'm definitely wrong with how they have used the planeswalkers on the novel cover to dictate the planeswalker in the novel so far, so perhaps Karn does become the focal planeswalker in Planar Chaos, now that Teferi has given up his spark. Good point, Shadowlord, that makes more sense.
Here's a thought, if Karn is screaming, and the view on the right side of the novel cover is one of an underwater ruin, can we assume that Karn fails to stop the time rifts in planar chaos, and is in fact somehow transported into the future to stop the problem? I have no idea how that would work, but it doesn't seem like what he wanted to happen occurred the way he wanted it to.
Something I'm curious about is the whole part about Karona seeing Teferi as a predominately white 'walker. Maybe in this book he is infused with white mana and regains his spark. Is this total lunacy or just almost total lunacy?
Teferi was a blue mage, of that much we're sure especially with a card now.
The problem came in JRKs novel Scourge. He sort of went above and beyond with the Karona Magic Conference (KMC for short from here on out). During the KMC, Lowallyn came out of the blue portal, which would've been obvious for Teferi, but Lowallyn had the power of the blue Primeval dragon, and thus was exponentially more powerful at Blue magic than Teferi. Seeing as how i can't immediately think of another great White super-mage from Dominaria right now, i'd say they threw Teferi in that slot because it was open and Teferi is one of the more powerful beings to even come out of Dominaria.
Which is all null and void since the conference was supposedly all pish posh osh kosh bigosh bogus.
What I'm wondering is if Planer Choas gets rid of more of the old plainswalkers and major characters. It would make sense wouldn't it? Timespiral brings us back to the old, Planer Chaos gets rid of the old, and Future Sight brings the new. This block could very well be the beginning of a new age in magic. Of course it could just be another block and not change much but with the way its shaping up, I can't say I would be that surprised.
Well the theory would have to go he finds another spark, because telling me he doesn't have to sacrifice isn't going to fly. Here's why...
In Time Spiral, while Teferi and Co. are watching the past, or visiting it, they also see visions of the present. The only two areas with rifts that he sees with no planeswalkers are Shiv and Zhalfir. He tells Jhoira it's because he is not there to protect them right now, but he will return and do so.
If he sacrifices his spark to close the rift over Shiv, then what of Zhalfir? Who would willingly give up their spark for a land not their own? Only an incredibly good friend to a man of that land. Since Teferi saves Shiv, Karn will have to save Zhalfir, as currently there isn't room in those theories for "HUZZAH BRAND NEW WALKER SAVES ZHALFIR WOOOOO!"
So....does this take it all the way back to when i said Urza might really be Karn, and that Glacian's spark is still inside the powerstones? Seems not only possible, but likely...
I really hope the authors (Hi Scott see ya browsing!!!) keep reading our thoughts and opinions, as i know someone heard me craving for Bolas and my prayers were answered. Then, we demand to know what happened to Urza and Glacians sparks, which seems more than likely to be resolved this next book.
Hmmm....WE WANT UMEZAWA BACK! And if that's already coming in Time Spiral...
JARAD THE NECROELF!
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It's possible that solving the problems with the rifts and Zhalfir doesn't require someone to sacrifice their spark. Teferi was pressed for time and didn't seem able to fully study the rifts before he went ahead with Plan Omega. With his knowledge of the rift now, and working with Karn (who seems to be amazing intelligent, though I don't know if there's much of a difference in intelligence between planeswalkers) they may be able to come to a better solution. How many rifts are there? How many sparks would the other plan require? It doesn't seem practical that the only way to solve the problem is to sacrifice a spark. Planeswalkers seem to tend towards the greedy or selfish path, unlike a Karn or Teferi.
Hell, Urza seems to have only helped Dominaria because he was obsessed with Phyrexia.
As for what may happen (and curse Mr. McGough
for the cliffhanger ending! :tongue:):
1. The revival of Bolas and his vengeance on the Umezawa line could play a part, but this seems like more of a setup for a future set and story.
2. Something's gonna have to come help Teferi and Jhoira's group. With Teferi "normal" and seemingly knocked out cold, the small group is only going to be able to hold off so much. Karn? Maybe. Or a new character or force, but something's going to have to save them.
3. Planar Chaos is the "present" portion of this block. How is the story going to reflect that? The past definitely played a large part in Time Spiral, so it makes sense that the present will play an equal part. But how does an author make it stick out? Perhaps by focussing on multiple areas at once?
4. Otaria? I'd like to see what's up, and if Karn and Jeska are still travelling together, I'd bet on a visit there. It seems certain that there will be some interaction with Shiv as well, like checking how the landmass is holding up. If the Umezawa line and Bolas come back into play, I'd expect a visit of sorts to Kamigawa. Maybe Michiko and Kyodai (names off of memory and likely way off) thwomped on Bolas.
5. We don't yet have a block-long villain. Greht's out of the picture, and he wasn't much of a major villain. It seems like the problem with the rifts is the villain for this cycle, unless something else is behind the rifts.
Utopia Tree- Read the damned thread. Mishra will not return. If you actually read things before you posted (though that's assuming you can read), you'd know these old flavor text legends are NOT going to be in the storyline.
God that's so aggrivating.
So you didn't even read Time Spiral, or the spoilers, and you're gonna come post about Mishra in here? And ask if Freyalise is still arond....
Squirle, can you please keep posts like that out of here, that's the exact reason i created this thread- intelligent speculation based on events, not random guessing.
I'm quite sure that they're going to power down long-standing planeswalkers this block, and thus the sacrificial sparks. Not to say Walkers wont come out, but i doubt many.
The rifts were caused by the multiple apocalypses, weren't you paying attention?
Aye, but there's always the possibility that something else is behind them.
sleepingvillain: Again, if there are a lot of rifts, it would require a lot of sparks, and I just don't think that's practical or even likely from a planeswalker. Teferi had Jhoira to keep his humanity grounded, and that's primarily why Teferi is capable of sacrificing his spark. Not every planeswalker has that. No, I think there's a different way to solve the problem at the end of this cycle.
End? Oh, no, I'm gonna say that the solution lies in the next book.
I mean, we've got Venser in his Yawgmachine loaded with powerstones... I think the solution has something to do with that, that they'll have to find him some powerstones to use the machine, to do X which will save Dominariakind.
That'd be the next major point of discussion:
Vensers machine.
Like Radha, the machine was connected to the rift. When activated, it made the thing go crazy. My question is why the rift responds to the machine so much. That is as much as mystery that needs solving as anything else.
If they give him powerstones, which i'm sure they will somehow in this next book, he may be able to build a time machine for Karn to walk backwards through in his new quicksilver form (surely more sturdy than regular Silver, along with his walker abilities).
So far Mistwalker, the only known rifts are in Madara, Urborg, Shiv, Zhalfir, and Skyshroud. Minus Madara, there happens to be a walker for each spot.
Of course they would willingly give it up if they couldn't planeswalk away, or the whole multiverse were to be destroyed. What's the point of being a god with no land to be god over?
Freyalise might end up turning into the enemy, since she will most definately not give her spark up. They may have to force her into it, at which point Venser will need to make a Slobad like machine to give her spark to the rift.
Here's an interesting thought regarding Soul Traps and Mirrodin-- If Mirrodin is to take place after the events of Time Spiral, but the soul traps took souls and put them into new/different bodies on Mirrodin, don't we know of a certain warrior elf girl and a cowardly articifer that's pure genius already?
Hmmm...Radha= Glissa, Venser= Slobad on Mirrodin once their souls were taken there (during or even post TS) ?
There's a rather interesting tie-in, as it would explain Slobad as a genius goblin and how he could think of a spark-transfer machine.
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You are basically saying that Rhadda could be Glissa because she's half elf. As far as I know, Venser is not the half-Goblin you need him to be.
I actually thought this would be a good time for a green bad guy. The opposition is not a guy with a plot, but natural disasters. Who's better to herald them than a green mage?
Utopia Tree- Read the damned thread. Mishra will not return. If you actually read things before you posted (though that's assuming you can read), you'd know these old flavor text legends are NOT going to be in the storyline.
Are you absolutely certain of that? I could have said the same of Nicol Bolas yet he's in the TS novel. Urza and Mishra were the original flavor text legends. Yet plenty of storyline has been devoted to them. There needs to be some sort of storyline for Lim-Dul. Things seem a bit unfinished with him. Please don't snap at people because they have an idea that may prove to be wrong. Its better to have an idea and have the courage to speak it than to stay quiet and do and contribute nothing. This is a discussion and is a place for speculation. At least that's what it says in the initial post.
Anyways...I think that at least part of PC will revolve around Bolas' thirst for revenge against the Umezawa clan. I wonder if Kami has the same time rift problem as Dominaria and if so how bad is it? Will Toshi pop out of one and poke Bolas with his cheater stick?
So far Mistwalker, the only known rifts are in Madara, Urborg, Shiv, Zhalfir, and Skyshroud. Minus Madara, there happens to be a walker for each spot.
Of course they would willingly give it up if they couldn't planeswalk away, or the whole multiverse were to be destroyed. What's the point of being a god with no land to be god over?
And Teferi didn't know about the rift above Skyshroud before going there. I don't think this is an isolated problem, and if there are more, that's even more sparks that are required.
And no, they wouldn't. Teferi, Karn, and Bo Levar (who, if my memory serves me correctly, was about to be killed by the Yawgy cloud anyway) appear to be exceptions amongst planeswalkers. These are selfish beings, and they do not like other planeswalkers. Given a constant human grounding, maybe, but otherwise their humanity becomes a shadow of what it once was.
Could any of them sacrifice their spark to destroy the Shard? If so, why didn't they? They couldn't planeswalk anyway, right? And yet no one did. No, I think there's another solution to be found. We would need even more planeswalkers than we have to solve the problem, as I don't think it's isolated in Shiv, Skyshroud, Urborg, Zhalfir, and Madara.
This is going to be a long wait between books.
Bitsy: I would love to see Toshi fight Bolas. I'd expect the new O-Kogachi to deal with Bolas if he was causing a ruckus.
I would say there's no way we can say we know what the Walkers will do, but in my opinion, i'd say if there was nothing for them to exist on, they'd gladly live on as powerful mortals trying to find a way to re-ascend.
The question really is will ALL the multiverse be destroyed? Teferi seems to think (when talking to Bolas as he leaves through the Talon Gates) there is no...
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Teferi seems to think there is no "Walking away from it"
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So i'd say just that.
Bitsy- It's for intelligent speculation, with some basis or foundation, not just random meanderings. WOTC website stated just because theyre in the set doesn't mean they're in the story. So far, they haven't given any reason for us to believe Mishra will return.
When i guessed the Talon Gates were on the cover of this novel, that was based on the cover art and Dominarian geography. It wasn't random, and it certainly wasn't unfounded.
*Sigh* But i do agree that it's better that people share what the believe rather than hush up and contribute nothing. I just wish it was something with some basis, rather than someone not looking up to see if they mentioned in that very article about Mishra if or not he'd be returning in the storyline.
I'll be more receptive, but please see my point. I too was speculating Gerrard and Mishra's return before the novel release based on the PC cover, but once you're wrong you're wrong. That's when i found a new theory about Madara and the Talon Gates. It worked out quite well
Now, as far as Bolas in the future, i think it would be most interesting if it turned out they had to find a walker connected to the rift to sacrifice sparks, not just any walker, and thus had to bring Bolas back to Dominaria against his will. Now THAT would be something.
Which like Bitsy speculates leaves room for bait in the name Umezawa :). Teferi taunts Bolas, says there is an Umezawa left, and he has him. Bolas comes barelling through the Talon Gates, into a massive Umezawa/Planeswalker battle (to make up for Toshi not doing much at the end of Guardian), which ends in the death of Umezawa's clan for good, but not before Bolas becomes mortal again.
Oh man that'd be good. What happens though once all the rifts are closed. Wouldn't that event in itself be an abnormality for the adjusted plane? Maybe that sets up Future Sight.
Although i'm thinking somewhere in there they need to do some time travel. Tetsuo Umezawa may be the only being that can handle Bolas.
Edit- Famar, i said that their soul found a new body. It doesn't necessarilly mean that they have to be the same species, although perhaps that also has something to do with Glissa's flare ability (Radha being a conduit of mana). They don't need to be the same species, although it is interesting that Glissa is an elf warrior too. Remember that Slobad was different even from the abnormal goblins thrown into the fire, so that may say something about his soul in itself. That would be speculation based on the idea that Mirrodin takes place in the future, and Memnarch may have sent soul traps to Dominaria. Thinking about it more, it is probably not going to happen, since Glissa sees her old self in a forest, and Radha is much more akin to the mountains and her Keldish heritage.
First: If Michiko and the Taken One (who's name I've forgotten) can beat the O-Kogachi, then 'Bolas wouldn't have even have to exert himself to do it.
Anyway... I'd guess they'll find a way to close the rifts without needing a 'Walker to sacrifice his/her self to do it. After all, the Rift's are supposed to have spread through the multiverse. We know the connect to RAV (The Schism) and Kamigawa. Who know's where else the go, but there aren't enough major planeswalker characters alive/caring enough to close the rifts.
I mean, Kamigawa probably has a rift at every location the O-Kogachi appeared at.
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That information is incorrect, Ramnenth. Although many sources have spoken about how it will effect the multiverse, we do not know that gigantic time rifts have opened on other planes, especially Ravnica, which hasn't even been linked into the story yet.
Kamigawa has a hole in it, caused by the intersection of the plane and the Madara rift that was super-sized when Ravi rang her bell. This is what allowed Myoujin of Night's Reach to transplant Toshiro Umezawa on Madara. However, that does not mean that there are tons of instances of time rifts on Kamigawa at all, as all of the beings didn't follow Kagachi around the plane as they did Karona, thus leaving me to believe he was less powerful/different that he didn't affect the plane.
It could be true, but has yet to be proven. The Schism hasn't been connected to all of this (yet).
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The Schims's description, both Physical and in terms of Effect makes it sound exactly like the dominarian rifts. You're right, though, it hasnt been officially linked.
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Aye, i don't know why i was thinking Agyrem and not the Schism itself, brainfart i suppose.
Indeed it does sound familiar to the Schism, but didn't the Schism dissappear? *memory of Guildpact is fuzzy considering it barely tied into Dissension or Ravnica*
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Maybe Eid-- I believe the Schism could lead one to Agyrem, through a grand device (like the Parhelion), but was a rift like the one connecting to Kamigawa via the bell being rung.
That's what i believe. Like on Kamigawa Konda was easier able to enter the spirit world based on the rift, so was access to Agyrem easier because of the rift, the Schism.
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Even if the Schism isnt a rift in and of itself, no one knows where it came from. All they know is that it showed up at about the same time as walkers stopped showing up.
Either the Schism is a rift, it's tied to a rift, or it's something that will never be explaind and will waste a perfectly good plothook for the next 5 years and then will be revisted when everyones forgotten it.
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What if Karn leaves Mirridion having "fixed" things at the end of 5th Dawn and deciedes to go drop into Dominaria to see how it is...only he ends up 400 years after the Apocalypse instead of 2000 or so like he'd expect. Why whould this happen? Cause time is farked up!
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What if Karn leaves Mirridion having "fixed" things at the end of 5th Dawn and deciedes to go drop into Dominaria to see how it is...only he ends up 400 years after the Apocalypse instead of 2000 or so like he'd expect. Why whould this happen? Cause time is farked up!
Oh... maybe thats why there are 2 Karns on the next novel, present day Karn the newbie planeswalker and Future Karn who fell out of a time warp.
My other speculation is that The Schism in Rav was created when the various races were stolen from there to populate Mirroden. I know this can't be right due to the lack of Lionen people in Rav, see the end of 5th Dawn and all. In time Spiral we learn the Rifts are caused by large magical occurances, but we don't know enough about Rav's past to have any idea what caused it.
On that note Ravnica was the first setting I wish they had flushed out more, like spread over two sets and two years worth of novels, like Odessy.
A few things to remember...
1) It has been noted by WoTC that not all Legends from Time Spiral cards will appear in storyline. Please do not post in here things along the lines of "Oh man what if Mangara meets Kaervek, and then an ancient Lim-Dul to make a super evil dream team to take over Dominaria. Pwnzorrss." If you're going to post in here, please have it deal with Time Spiral novel and a theory regarding what happens next.
2) This thread will contain TimeSpiralNovel Spoilers. Please don't expect to see nothing about what has already occurred.
Now, with all of that out of the way, there are a few things that need discussing...
1) If Time Spiral takes place 300 years after Scourge (400 after the Apocalypse), and Mirrodin is said (without proof other than flavor text to MY knowledge) to take places a few thousand years in the future, that leaves the idea Karn must survive somehow with a spark to make it BACK to Mirrodin.
--This can be enabled a few ways. The first is the easiest of them all to go with, although highly unlikely-- The Karn we see at the end of 5th Dawn isn't the real Karn and he sacrificed his spark already, now living on Dominaria again with Jhoira.
The second is the more likely: If Mirrodin is to take place the way we've seen it, the current Timestream cannot be altered. Therefore, Karn doesn't go back in time, but uses Glacian/Urzas alternate sparks to reascend later and return to Mirrodin.
The third is the far-fetched, but fun idea- Karn does sacrifice his spark and later realizes regardless of how many sparks they sacrifice, this timestream is forever askew. He returns in time to set the path for an alternate history, which eventually leads to Karona never happening and Memnarch either never being created (out of the Mirari) or Memnarch never going insane do to the oil influence, since Karona will have never brought it over.
That's JUST the start of things to talk about, but i'm very tired so i'll leave that subject as the main of speculation for now.
It's already been established that Venser is kinda weak-willed, and now he doesn't have any other option aside from Jhoira to get more powerstones. Jhoira (and Teferi) will probably have enough to do contacting the other planeswalkers to stop the time rifts. This leaves Venser with quite a bit of free time to make a gigantic mistake, does it not?
My version of planar chaos involves a partially restored Phyrexia overlaying Dominaria, as Shiv threatened to blow a hole in the multiverse.
Edit: I don't see Karn getting too far involved until Future Sight, at which point the timeline concerns with Mirrodin will be cleared up. For Planar Chaos, I just think we will see more action out of the Urborg, Keldon, Skyshroud, Shivan landscapes. I mean, a whole continent just phased back in to Dominaria, and the others are under distinct time rifts. Calling all planeswalkers, but that seems like enough to tackle in one book.
Second Edit: Yeah, I'm definitely wrong with how they have used the planeswalkers on the novel cover to dictate the planeswalker in the novel so far, so perhaps Karn does become the focal planeswalker in Planar Chaos, now that Teferi has given up his spark. Good point, Shadowlord, that makes more sense.
Here's a thought, if Karn is screaming, and the view on the right side of the novel cover is one of an underwater ruin, can we assume that Karn fails to stop the time rifts in planar chaos, and is in fact somehow transported into the future to stop the problem? I have no idea how that would work, but it doesn't seem like what he wanted to happen occurred the way he wanted it to.
The problem came in JRKs novel Scourge. He sort of went above and beyond with the Karona Magic Conference (KMC for short from here on out). During the KMC, Lowallyn came out of the blue portal, which would've been obvious for Teferi, but Lowallyn had the power of the blue Primeval dragon, and thus was exponentially more powerful at Blue magic than Teferi. Seeing as how i can't immediately think of another great White super-mage from Dominaria right now, i'd say they threw Teferi in that slot because it was open and Teferi is one of the more powerful beings to even come out of Dominaria.
Which is all null and void since the conference was
supposedlyall pish posh osh kosh bigosh bogus.In Time Spiral, while Teferi and Co. are watching the past, or visiting it, they also see visions of the present. The only two areas with rifts that he sees with no planeswalkers are Shiv and Zhalfir. He tells Jhoira it's because he is not there to protect them right now, but he will return and do so.
If he sacrifices his spark to close the rift over Shiv, then what of Zhalfir? Who would willingly give up their spark for a land not their own? Only an incredibly good friend to a man of that land. Since Teferi saves Shiv, Karn will have to save Zhalfir, as currently there isn't room in those theories for "HUZZAH BRAND NEW WALKER SAVES ZHALFIR WOOOOO!"
So....does this take it all the way back to when i said Urza might really be Karn, and that Glacian's spark is still inside the powerstones? Seems not only possible, but likely...
I really hope the authors (Hi Scott see ya browsing!!!) keep reading our thoughts and opinions, as i know someone heard me craving for Bolas and my prayers were answered. Then, we demand to know what happened to Urza and Glacians sparks, which seems more than likely to be resolved this next book.
Hmmm....WE WANT UMEZAWA BACK! And if that's already coming in Time Spiral...
JARAD THE NECROELF!
Hell, Urza seems to have only helped Dominaria because he was obsessed with Phyrexia.
As for what may happen (and curse Mr. McGough
for the cliffhanger ending! :tongue:):
1. The revival of Bolas and his vengeance on the Umezawa line could play a part, but this seems like more of a setup for a future set and story.
2. Something's gonna have to come help Teferi and Jhoira's group. With Teferi "normal" and seemingly knocked out cold, the small group is only going to be able to hold off so much. Karn? Maybe. Or a new character or force, but something's going to have to save them.
3. Planar Chaos is the "present" portion of this block. How is the story going to reflect that? The past definitely played a large part in Time Spiral, so it makes sense that the present will play an equal part. But how does an author make it stick out? Perhaps by focussing on multiple areas at once?
4. Otaria? I'd like to see what's up, and if Karn and Jeska are still travelling together, I'd bet on a visit there. It seems certain that there will be some interaction with Shiv as well, like checking how the landmass is holding up. If the Umezawa line and Bolas come back into play, I'd expect a visit of sorts to Kamigawa. Maybe Michiko and Kyodai (names off of memory and likely way off) thwomped on Bolas.
5. We don't yet have a block-long villain. Greht's out of the picture, and he wasn't much of a major villain. It seems like the problem with the rifts is the villain for this cycle, unless something else is behind the rifts.
Maybe Mishra will be the block long villian? Or maybe he will be the savior for some reason?
What about Freyalise? I haven't read all the books, so I don't know what ever happened to her... is she out of the picture? Could she maybe show up?
What about the othe walkers from the invasion block?
God that's so aggrivating.
So you didn't even read Time Spiral, or the spoilers, and you're gonna come post about Mishra in here? And ask if Freyalise is still arond....
Squirle, can you please keep posts like that out of here, that's the exact reason i created this thread- intelligent speculation based on events, not random guessing.
I'm quite sure that they're going to power down long-standing planeswalkers this block, and thus the sacrificial sparks. Not to say Walkers wont come out, but i doubt many.
Aye, but there's always the possibility that something else is behind them.
sleepingvillain: Again, if there are a lot of rifts, it would require a lot of sparks, and I just don't think that's practical or even likely from a planeswalker. Teferi had Jhoira to keep his humanity grounded, and that's primarily why Teferi is capable of sacrificing his spark. Not every planeswalker has that. No, I think there's a different way to solve the problem at the end of this cycle.
I mean, we've got Venser in his Yawgmachine loaded with powerstones... I think the solution has something to do with that, that they'll have to find him some powerstones to use the machine, to do X which will save Dominariakind.
Vensers machine.
Like Radha, the machine was connected to the rift. When activated, it made the thing go crazy. My question is why the rift responds to the machine so much. That is as much as mystery that needs solving as anything else.
If they give him powerstones, which i'm sure they will somehow in this next book, he may be able to build a time machine for Karn to walk backwards through in his new quicksilver form (surely more sturdy than regular Silver, along with his walker abilities).
So far Mistwalker, the only known rifts are in Madara, Urborg, Shiv, Zhalfir, and Skyshroud. Minus Madara, there happens to be a walker for each spot.
Of course they would willingly give it up if they couldn't planeswalk away, or the whole multiverse were to be destroyed. What's the point of being a god with no land to be god over?
Freyalise might end up turning into the enemy, since she will most definately not give her spark up. They may have to force her into it, at which point Venser will need to make a Slobad like machine to give her spark to the rift.
Here's an interesting thought regarding Soul Traps and Mirrodin-- If Mirrodin is to take place after the events of Time Spiral, but the soul traps took souls and put them into new/different bodies on Mirrodin, don't we know of a certain warrior elf girl and a cowardly articifer that's pure genius already?
Hmmm...Radha= Glissa, Venser= Slobad on Mirrodin once their souls were taken there (during or even post TS) ?
There's a rather interesting tie-in, as it would explain Slobad as a genius goblin and how he could think of a spark-transfer machine.
You are basically saying that Rhadda could be Glissa because she's half elf. As far as I know, Venser is not the half-Goblin you need him to be.
I actually thought this would be a good time for a green bad guy. The opposition is not a guy with a plot, but natural disasters. Who's better to herald them than a green mage?
Are you absolutely certain of that? I could have said the same of Nicol Bolas yet he's in the TS novel. Urza and Mishra were the original flavor text legends. Yet plenty of storyline has been devoted to them. There needs to be some sort of storyline for Lim-Dul. Things seem a bit unfinished with him. Please don't snap at people because they have an idea that may prove to be wrong. Its better to have an idea and have the courage to speak it than to stay quiet and do and contribute nothing. This is a discussion and is a place for speculation. At least that's what it says in the initial post.
Anyways...I think that at least part of PC will revolve around Bolas' thirst for revenge against the Umezawa clan. I wonder if Kami has the same time rift problem as Dominaria and if so how bad is it? Will Toshi pop out of one and poke Bolas with his cheater stick?
And Teferi didn't know about the rift above Skyshroud before going there. I don't think this is an isolated problem, and if there are more, that's even more sparks that are required.
And no, they wouldn't. Teferi, Karn, and Bo Levar (who, if my memory serves me correctly, was about to be killed by the Yawgy cloud anyway) appear to be exceptions amongst planeswalkers. These are selfish beings, and they do not like other planeswalkers. Given a constant human grounding, maybe, but otherwise their humanity becomes a shadow of what it once was.
Could any of them sacrifice their spark to destroy the Shard? If so, why didn't they? They couldn't planeswalk anyway, right? And yet no one did. No, I think there's another solution to be found. We would need even more planeswalkers than we have to solve the problem, as I don't think it's isolated in Shiv, Skyshroud, Urborg, Zhalfir, and Madara.
This is going to be a long wait between books.
Bitsy: I would love to see Toshi fight Bolas. I'd expect the new O-Kogachi to deal with Bolas if he was causing a ruckus.
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I would say there's no way we can say we know what the Walkers will do, but in my opinion, i'd say if there was nothing for them to exist on, they'd gladly live on as powerful mortals trying to find a way to re-ascend.
The question really is will ALL the multiverse be destroyed? Teferi seems to think (when talking to Bolas as he leaves through the Talon Gates) there is no...
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Teferi seems to think there is no "Walking away from it"
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So i'd say just that.
Bitsy- It's for intelligent speculation, with some basis or foundation, not just random meanderings. WOTC website stated just because theyre in the set doesn't mean they're in the story. So far, they haven't given any reason for us to believe Mishra will return.
When i guessed the Talon Gates were on the cover of this novel, that was based on the cover art and Dominarian geography. It wasn't random, and it certainly wasn't unfounded.
*Sigh* But i do agree that it's better that people share what the believe rather than hush up and contribute nothing. I just wish it was something with some basis, rather than someone not looking up to see if they mentioned in that very article about Mishra if or not he'd be returning in the storyline.
I'll be more receptive, but please see my point. I too was speculating Gerrard and Mishra's return before the novel release based on the PC cover, but once you're wrong you're wrong. That's when i found a new theory about Madara and the Talon Gates. It worked out quite well
Now, as far as Bolas in the future, i think it would be most interesting if it turned out they had to find a walker connected to the rift to sacrifice sparks, not just any walker, and thus had to bring Bolas back to Dominaria against his will. Now THAT would be something.
Which like Bitsy speculates leaves room for bait in the name Umezawa :). Teferi taunts Bolas, says there is an Umezawa left, and he has him. Bolas comes barelling through the Talon Gates, into a massive Umezawa/Planeswalker battle (to make up for Toshi not doing much at the end of Guardian), which ends in the death of Umezawa's clan for good, but not before Bolas becomes mortal again.
Oh man that'd be good. What happens though once all the rifts are closed. Wouldn't that event in itself be an abnormality for the adjusted plane? Maybe that sets up Future Sight.
Although i'm thinking somewhere in there they need to do some time travel. Tetsuo Umezawa may be the only being that can handle Bolas.
Edit- Famar, i said that their soul found a new body. It doesn't necessarilly mean that they have to be the same species, although perhaps that also has something to do with Glissa's flare ability (Radha being a conduit of mana). They don't need to be the same species, although it is interesting that Glissa is an elf warrior too. Remember that Slobad was different even from the abnormal goblins thrown into the fire, so that may say something about his soul in itself. That would be speculation based on the idea that Mirrodin takes place in the future, and Memnarch may have sent soul traps to Dominaria. Thinking about it more, it is probably not going to happen, since Glissa sees her old self in a forest, and Radha is much more akin to the mountains and her Keldish heritage.
Anyway... I'd guess they'll find a way to close the rifts without needing a 'Walker to sacrifice his/her self to do it. After all, the Rift's are supposed to have spread through the multiverse. We know the connect to RAV (The Schism) and Kamigawa. Who know's where else the go, but there aren't enough major planeswalker characters alive/caring enough to close the rifts.
I mean, Kamigawa probably has a rift at every location the O-Kogachi appeared at.
Kamigawa has a hole in it, caused by the intersection of the plane and the Madara rift that was super-sized when Ravi rang her bell. This is what allowed Myoujin of Night's Reach to transplant Toshiro Umezawa on Madara. However, that does not mean that there are tons of instances of time rifts on Kamigawa at all, as all of the beings didn't follow Kagachi around the plane as they did Karona, thus leaving me to believe he was less powerful/different that he didn't affect the plane.
It could be true, but has yet to be proven. The Schism hasn't been connected to all of this (yet).
Indeed it does sound familiar to the Schism, but didn't the Schism dissappear? *memory of Guildpact is fuzzy considering it barely tied into Dissension or Ravnica*
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That's what i believe. Like on Kamigawa Konda was easier able to enter the spirit world based on the rift, so was access to Agyrem easier because of the rift, the Schism.
Either the Schism is a rift, it's tied to a rift, or it's something that will never be explaind and will waste a perfectly good plothook for the next 5 years and then will be revisted when everyones forgotten it.
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Oh... maybe thats why there are 2 Karns on the next novel, present day Karn the newbie planeswalker and Future Karn who fell out of a time warp.
My other speculation is that The Schism in Rav was created when the various races were stolen from there to populate Mirroden. I know this can't be right due to the lack of Lionen people in Rav, see the end of 5th Dawn and all. In time Spiral we learn the Rifts are caused by large magical occurances, but we don't know enough about Rav's past to have any idea what caused it.
On that note Ravnica was the first setting I wish they had flushed out more, like spread over two sets and two years worth of novels, like Odessy.
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